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(Johnson County Daily Journal)   Judge denies grieving father's request to attend his 11-year-old daughter's funeral, just for the nitpicky reasoning that the father happens to be the guy who shot her   (dailyjournal.net) divider line 113
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-17 12:40:53 PM
Bad news, responding to this sort of rare incident takes up a lot of legislative energy in my state. Good news, this sort of rare incident takes up a lot of legislative energy in my state, leaving less time to pass laws that will affect normal people.
 
2014-01-17 01:15:31 PM
Kelley's brother, Antwon Kelley, described his brother as a family man and loving father of seven children who lost his teenage son a year ago in a still-unsolved shooting.

When your response to not being allowed in your house is to drunkenly open fire into the air, and two out of your seven children have died due to gun violence (and one being BY YOUR OWN HAND), I would not describe you as a "family man".
 
2014-01-17 01:35:48 PM
This guy didn't mean to kill his daughter.  I saw this on the news yesterday.  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.
I think they should let the guy go to the funeral.
/However, also on the news, they said that his safety woudn't have been guaranteed at funeral anyways because of death threats
 
2014-01-17 01:37:10 PM
If the daughter had been armed...
 
2014-01-17 01:38:32 PM
It's too soon to talk about negro control.
 
2014-01-17 01:39:49 PM
Like the menendez brothers throwing themselves at the mercy of the court because they were orphans..
 
2014-01-17 01:39:55 PM
Some people like to take pride in their work. Give him a break.
 
2014-01-17 01:40:07 PM

Buttknuckle: This guy didn't mean to kill his daughter.  I saw this on the news yesterday.  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.
I think they should let the guy go to the funeral.
/However, also on the news, they said that his safety woudn't have been guaranteed at funeral anyways because of death threats


So we shouldn't expect responsibility from gun owners & should just nod in sympathy when they need to just fire a few rounds, momentarily oblivious to the obvious fact that bullets have to land somewhere.  Neveryoumind he fired at his own home where he knew his own children were present.

I'm scared of you.
 
2014-01-17 01:41:27 PM
Is it weird if I'm on the Dad's side on this?

It was an accident. Wife/mother wants him there.

Should still go to jail, but maybe seeing his daughter's body will help him turn his life around.
 
2014-01-17 01:41:43 PM

Buttknuckle: This guy didn't mean to kill his daughter.  I saw this on the news yesterday.  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.
I think they should let the guy go to the funeral.
/However, also on the news, they said that his safety woudn't have been guaranteed at funeral anyways because of death threats


If you fire a gun without any concern for where the bullets go, it's not an accident if you hit someone. It's criminal negligence, at the very least.
 
2014-01-17 01:42:01 PM
I can understand the part about not being able to guarantee his safety at a public funeral (and I don't think that the taxpayers should be on the hook for a bunch of increased security), but I don't get why he can't have a private viewing. Yes, he was incredibly negligent and deserves to be in prison for it, but I guess I fail to see how that means he shouldn't get to say goodbye to his daughter. It seems petty and vindictive.
 
2014-01-17 01:43:01 PM

Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.



Meh.

0.5/10
 
2014-01-17 01:43:22 PM

Buttknuckle: This guy didn't mean to kill his daughter.  I saw this on the news yesterday.  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.
I think they should let the guy go to the funeral.
/However, also on the news, they said that his safety woudn't have been guaranteed at funeral anyways because of death threats


"a complete accident"    Gee,  I can't even......  Aw, hell,  you're right.  They should let him go to the funeral.  Because of the death threats.
 
2014-01-17 01:44:54 PM

Buttknuckle: This guy didn't mean to kill his daughter.  I saw this on the news yesterday.  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.
I think they should let the guy go to the funeral.
/However, also on the news, they said that his safety woudn't have been guaranteed at funeral anyways because of death threats


You're an idiot and you shouldn't be around fire arms.  Drunkenly firing rounds into your ceiling isn't an accident.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:15 PM
Kelley had previously pleaded not guilty to reckless homicide and pleaded not guilty during the hearing to three new charges, including involuntary manslaughter, endangering children and having a weapon under disability.

The gun gets special parking at Walmart?
 
2014-01-17 01:46:53 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.


Meh.

0.5/10


You are being too generous.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:57 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.


Meh.

0.5/10


I know, I regretted the wasted opportunity as soon as I hit add comment.  What I should have gone with was "Another responsible gun owner."  That'd piss everyone off.
 
2014-01-17 01:46:58 PM

Chongo79: Is it weird if I'm on the Dad's side on this?

It was an accident. Wife/mother wants him there.

Should still go to jail, but maybe seeing his daughter's body will help him turn his life around.



He had a teenaged son die of gun violence last year and it didn't stop him from swinging a gun around infront of his kids and their mother. I don't think he should be able to see her, considering the circumstances. Not sure how true it is, but the tipping point for me is that he's a domestic abuser. Fark him for trying to intimidate that woman an her kids. Go to jail.
 
2014-01-17 01:48:29 PM

Chongo79: Is it weird if I'm on the Dad's side on this?

It was an accident. Wife/mother wants him there.

Should still go to jail, but maybe seeing his daughter's body will help him turn his life around.


Unfortunately, that is the way jail/prison works.  It isn't to get people to turn their lives around, it's a punitive sentence.

D1vwife's brother is serving 10 years for DUI/vehicular assault.  During the time he's been locked up both parents have passed away.  Judge refused to let him attend either of the services even though the funeral home is within sight of the prison.
 
2014-01-17 01:48:30 PM

Molavian: DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.


Meh.

0.5/10

I know, I regretted the wasted opportunity as soon as I hit add comment.  What I should have gone with was "Another responsible gun owner."  That'd piss everyone off.



This is entertaining to you? LOL.

/Your life sucks
 
2014-01-17 01:50:08 PM
He might be an idiot and his careless actions have landed him in jail, which is appropriate, but I don't understand why he isn't allowed to say goodbye to his own daughter in a private viewing.  It seems needlessly cruel, especially given that the mother was also in tears over the decision.
 
2014-01-17 01:50:15 PM
Shanti then ran upstairs for her mother, who again ordered Kelley to leave. That's when Kelley walked out and fired two shots into the air. One of them hit Shanti's lung, who was hiding in an upstairs bedroom. She later died at a hospital.

Protip: Never let your lung hide in the bathroom. Now, my liver has been hiding from me since New Years Eve. Last I heard, it was hitchiking west, reaping the fresh air and hoping for a fresh start
 
2014-01-17 01:50:48 PM
Picky picky.
 
2014-01-17 01:50:51 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.


Meh.

0.5/10

I know, I regretted the wasted opportunity as soon as I hit add comment.  What I should have gone with was "Another responsible gun owner."  That'd piss everyone off.


This is entertaining to you? LOL.

/Your life sucks


So my sucky life is entertaining to you, but someone else's sucky life can't be entertaining to me.

Got it.
 
2014-01-17 01:51:19 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.


Meh.

0.5/10


More like 3/5ths.
 
2014-01-17 01:52:09 PM
I've been pretty damn drunk on countless occassions, but there's still a tiny voice of reason* way in the background that is sober enough to keep me out of serious trouble.

Don't be like this guy, be smart, have a tiny voice of reason with you at all times.

*tiny voice of reason has on occasion been remiss during chubby chaser night (hoggin). /shudders
 
2014-01-17 01:52:35 PM

Harry Freakstorm: Shanti then ran upstairs for her mother, who again ordered Kelley to leave. That's when Kelley walked out and fired two shots into the air. One of them hit Shanti's lung, who was hiding in an upstairs bedroom. She later died at a hospital.

Protip: Never let your lung hide in the bathroom. Now, my liver has been hiding from me since New Years Eve. Last I heard, it was hitchiking west, reaping the fresh air and hoping for a fresh start


Everyone knows you keep it in a chest under the galley, and the key always around your neck.

lancemannion.typepad.com
 
2014-01-17 01:52:43 PM

tiamet4: He might be an idiot and his careless actions have landed him in jail, which is appropriate, but I don't understand why he isn't allowed to say goodbye to his own daughter in a private viewing.  It seems needlessly cruel, especially given that the mother was also in tears over the decision.



If she's anything like me, she was crying because she wanted him to waltz his stupid ass into the funeral home so that her brothers. cousins, and uncles could beat the shiat out of him. I'd be disappointed that he got to stay in jail.
 
2014-01-17 01:52:59 PM
another law abiding citizen being denied his rights.
 
2014-01-17 01:53:02 PM

Fano: Like the menendez brothers throwing themselves at the mercy of the court because they were orphans..


Or the Ohio guy who kept the girls locked up in his basement for 10 years asking the judge for permission to see the child he fathered with one of the kidnapping victims.
 
2014-01-17 01:53:18 PM
*oj sits back and laughs*
 
2014-01-17 01:53:25 PM
Yeah fark him. I can't imagine anyone would say they want him there without being a (probable) victim of domestic abuse who loves him despite his violent, murderous outbursts.
 
2014-01-17 01:55:36 PM

Molavian: DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.


Meh.

0.5/10

I know, I regretted the wasted opportunity as soon as I hit add comment.  What I should have gone with was "Another responsible gun owner."  That'd piss everyone off.


This is entertaining to you? LOL.

/Your life sucks

So my sucky life is entertaining to you, but someone else's sucky life can't be entertaining to me.

Got it.



No, its not entertaining. Its sad to me, but I'm not good at expressing empathy on the internet so I laughed at you. How exactly does you trolling tie in to the highlighted portion of your comment? Did you mean to post that in this thread because it makse absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
2014-01-17 01:56:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: DROxINxTHExWIND: Molavian: It's too soon to talk about negro control.


Meh.

0.5/10

I know, I regretted the wasted opportunity as soon as I hit add comment.  What I should have gone with was "Another responsible gun owner."  That'd piss everyone off.


This is entertaining to you? LOL.

/Your life sucks

So my sucky life is entertaining to you, but someone else's sucky life can't be entertaining to me.

Got it.


No, its not entertaining. Its sad to me, but I'm not good at expressing empathy on the internet so I laughed at you. How exactly does you trolling tie in to the highlighted portion of your comment? Did you mean to post that in this thread because it makse absolutely no sense whatsoever.


I could use a hug.
 
2014-01-17 01:58:10 PM

Buttknuckle: This guy didn't mean to kill his daughter.  I saw this on the news yesterday.  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.
I think they should let the guy go to the funeral.
/However, also on the news, they said that his safety woudn't have been guaranteed at funeral anyways because of death threats


This - but the the judge obviously doesn't see it your way:

FTFA: "Deters said Kelley had previously been charged three times with domestic violence but was never prosecuted because Lanza refused to testify.
"This is the end of the road for this enabling," Deters said in a statement. "He needs to be in jail, and the rest of them (Shanti's family) should be looking in the mirror for the reason this little girl is dead."

I sure as hell bet that Judge Deters is very glad the reporter explained the remark parenthetically.
 
2014-01-17 01:59:07 PM
Molavian:
I could use a hug.

Naw, you just need a hobby.


/Build a ship in a bottle of something
 
2014-01-17 01:59:35 PM

monoski: Fano: Like the menendez brothers throwing themselves at the mercy of the court because they were orphans..

Or the Ohio guy who kept the girls locked up in his basement for 10 years asking the judge for permission to see the child he fathered with one of the kidnapping victims.


UGH. Including the child, don't forget. She was probably only taken out once in a while after the mother convinced him of it, hoping somebody would think it looked like her, and call the police about it.
 
2014-01-17 02:00:47 PM

Chongo79: Is it weird if I'm on the Dad's side on this?

It was an accident. Wife/mother wants him there.

Should still go to jail, but maybe seeing his daughter's body will help him turn his life around.


Not weird but given the circumstances I disagree.  Repeatedly screwing around with a firearm while you're drunk diminishes my sympathy to near nil.

I will not handle a firearm if I've had more than an ounce of booze.
 
2014-01-17 02:04:44 PM
OMG ARE THEY TAKING HIS GUNS AWAY TOO HASN'T HE SUFFERED ENOUGH???
 
2014-01-17 02:04:51 PM

Chongo79: It was an accident. Wife/mother wants him there.


This is exactly why I'm more sympathetic to people that want to restrict firearms than I might otherwise be. Because people like you think children dying is just an accident and is a reasonable price to pay for people to carry firearms around with them everywhere.
 
2014-01-17 02:13:28 PM

Buttknuckle:  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.


Accident? No, the gun was shot on purpose. Had it not been shot on purpose, there would be no one dead. And the first shot was inside. He is a piece of shiat and does not deserve anything other than prison.
 
2014-01-17 02:16:09 PM

gwowen: Buttknuckle: This guy didn't mean to kill his daughter.  I saw this on the news yesterday.  He got pissed off at his wife/gf during a domestic dispute and fired a gun outside in front of their house.  A bullet went through the window upstairs to the daughter's room and killed her.  Yes, he was stupid, but it was supposedly a complete accident.
I think they should let the guy go to the funeral.
/However, also on the news, they said that his safety woudn't have been guaranteed at funeral anyways because of death threats

If you fire a gun without any concern for where the bullets go, it's not an accident if you hit someone. It's criminal negligence, at the very least.


This. I agree that he didn't intend to hit her, but a fatal injury like that was entirely foreseeable when you recklessly fire a gun in a random direction.

/drunk drivers don't intend to hit people either
 
2014-01-17 02:16:59 PM
Ah yes, the Cosby Doctrine
 
2014-01-17 02:18:20 PM

tiamet4: He might be an idiot and his careless actions have landed him in jail, which is appropriate, but I don't understand why he isn't allowed to say goodbye to his own daughter in a private viewing.  It seems needlessly cruel, especially given that the mother was also in tears over the decision.


I have to agree with the prosecutor: the wife is a classic enabler/abused spouse.

Dispose of this piece of trash.
 
2014-01-17 02:19:15 PM

tiamet4: He might be an idiot and his careless actions have landed him in jail, which is appropriate, but I don't understand why he isn't allowed to say goodbye to his own daughter in a private viewing.  It seems needlessly cruel, especially given that the mother was also in tears over the decision.


I agree with the conclusion, but not with your reasoning. The man's actions were foolish in the extreme, but he is not a murderer. Let him attend his daughter's funeral; his presence will harm no one.

But I am not suggesting this because denying him the funeral would be cruel. I suggest it because I think letting him attend will hurt him more. I think it will drive home the point of what he did, and why he needs to change, and change drastically. It's my hope that this, in turn, will drive him to accept the burden of what he did, change his plea, serve his time, and get himself straightened out.
 
2014-01-17 02:19:18 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Chongo79: It was an accident. Wife/mother wants him there.

This is exactly why I'm more sympathetic to people that want to restrict firearms than I might otherwise be. Because people like you think children dying is just an accident and is a reasonable price to pay for people to carry firearms around with them everywhere.


Tagged as "Smart"

/firearm owner.
 
2014-01-17 02:20:17 PM
Wow people are on the father's side?!  Jesus people how can you say it was an accident?  Negligence is not the same as an accident.
 
2014-01-17 02:22:50 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: OMG ARE THEY TAKING HIS GUNS AWAY TOO HASN'T HE SUFFERED ENOUGH???


I know you're trolling, but I can't help myself.

No: this piece of shiat is the antithesis of a responsible gun owner, and deserves what's coming to him.
 
2014-01-17 02:24:17 PM

Millennium: I agree with the conclusion, but not with your reasoning. The man's actions were foolish in the extreme, but he is not a murderer.


Ideally keeping him in prison will prevent him having the opportunity to become one in yet another drunken violent rage.
 
2014-01-17 02:26:36 PM

Skyd1v: Chongo79: Is it weird if I'm on the Dad's side on this?

It was an accident. Wife/mother wants him there.

Should still go to jail, but maybe seeing his daughter's body will help him turn his life around.

Unfortunately, that is the way jail/prison works.  It isn't to get people to turn their lives around, it's a punitive sentence.

D1vwife's brother is serving 10 years for DUI/vehicular assault.  During the time he's been locked up both parents have passed away.  Judge refused to let him attend either of the services even though the funeral home is within sight of the prison.


My brother was in a work-release facility because he violated his probation for a single spray painting charge.  In order to go to his grandfather's funeral, we had to pay two federal officers to accompany him on the two day trip.  Ended up costing almost $4,000.
 
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