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(NPR)   The US was one Supreme Court justice away from having child labor, slave wages, and exploding bakeries   ( npr.org) divider line
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2014-01-17 09:05:07 AM  
But don't give up hope, there's still Scalia whose backwards thinking can still bring all of that to fruition by the stroke of his stubby little sausage fingers.
 
2014-01-17 09:08:30 AM  
Blah blah blah stitch in time that saved nine blah blah blah
 
2014-01-17 10:04:54 AM  
Was, or is?

We are the NRA!
 
2014-01-17 10:22:19 AM  
Or, as the gop calls it, Utopia.
 
2014-01-17 10:25:20 AM  

Therion: Was, or is?

We are the NRA!


National Industrial Recovery Act,
 
2014-01-17 10:43:51 AM  
The US was one Supreme Court justice away from having child labor, slave wages, and exploding bakeries Freedom.

FTFY, Commiemitter.
 
2014-01-17 10:50:28 AM  
Minimum wage: Keeping unions in, and poor people out of, business since 1938.
 
2014-01-17 10:54:37 AM  

MugzyBrown: Minimum wage: Keeping unions in, and poor people out of, business since 1938.


Wat.
 
2014-01-17 11:05:14 AM  
The fact that people are nostalgic for the Lochner era is distressing.

Its akin to how libertarians somehow ignore the gilded age.
 
2014-01-17 11:12:06 AM  

MugzyBrown: Minimum wage: Keeping unions in, and poor people out of, business since 1938.



It must be fascinating to think like that, to look at the world and process what you see like that. Do you sometimes skip your medicine, just to enjoy the view? I know I would if I were farking insane.
 
2014-01-17 11:12:49 AM  

oldernell: Or, as the gop calls it, Utopia.


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2014-01-17 11:17:57 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: It must be fascinating to think like that, to look at the world and process what you see like that. Do you sometimes skip your medicine, just to enjoy the view? I know I would if I were farking insane.


Do labor unions support increasing the minimum wage?

If your answer to this question is yes, then try to think of reasons why.
 
2014-01-17 11:51:16 AM  

MugzyBrown: Minimum wage: Keeping unions in, and poor people out of, business since 1938.


Yes wat.

/I know the current minimum wage is about 50% over the first minimum wage if you index to inflation
 
2014-01-17 01:06:34 PM  

MugzyBrown: rumpelstiltskin: It must be fascinating to think like that, to look at the world and process what you see like that. Do you sometimes skip your medicine, just to enjoy the view? I know I would if I were farking insane.

Do labor unions support increasing the minimum wage?

If your answer to this question is yes, then try to think of reasons why.


Because then labor would be paid a living wage?
 
2014-01-17 01:55:43 PM  
YES WE CAN!
 
2014-01-17 02:46:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Because then labor would be paid a living wage?


Why would unions care how much non-union labor is paid?
 
2014-01-17 03:14:35 PM  

MugzyBrown: cameroncrazy1984: Because then labor would be paid a living wage?

Why would unions care how much non-union labor is paid?



A lot of people care about how much poor people are paid. I'm not in a union. I care. How do you explain that?
 
2014-01-17 03:33:37 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: MugzyBrown: cameroncrazy1984: Because then labor would be paid a living wage?

Why would unions care how much non-union labor is paid?


A lot of people care about how much poor people are paid. I'm not in a union. I care. How do you explain that?


Individuals supporting something is different than a political / business organization supporting something.  There is motive when huge unions officially support causes like this.

Unions support higher minimum wage because their competition is unskilled / non-union labor.  When their competition becomes more expensive, it is beneficial to unions.

Oh, but I'm sure they're behind it for purely altruistic reasons.
 
2014-01-17 05:26:48 PM  

MugzyBrown: cameroncrazy1984: Because then labor would be paid a living wage?

Why would unions care how much non-union labor is paid?


Because union wage increases are based on minimum wage increases, one of many examples of how a higher minimum wage benefits everyone, even non-union workers.
 
2014-01-17 08:32:52 PM  

MugzyBrown: rumpelstiltskin: MugzyBrown: cameroncrazy1984: Because then labor would be paid a living wage?

Why would unions care how much non-union labor is paid?


A lot of people care about how much poor people are paid. I'm not in a union. I care. How do you explain that?

Individuals supporting something is different than a political / business organization supporting something.  There is motive when huge unions officially support causes like this.

Unions support higher minimum wage because their competition is unskilled / non-union labor.  When their competition becomes more expensive, it is beneficial to unions.

Oh, but I'm sure they're behind it for purely altruistic reasons.


No one is in it for altruistic reasons.  Those who support it want to be paid more, those who don't don't want to incur the cost.

Honestly I think the thing that would help unions the most in the US would be if they found some way to start funneling money to Bangladesh, China, Mexico, etc. and get unions sprouting up there.  The only way you're going to see any real chance to bring unskilled labor back to the US is if the unskilled labor elsewhere doesn't cost a cup of dirt.
 
2014-01-17 08:39:37 PM  

dobro: MugzyBrown: cameroncrazy1984: Because then labor would be paid a living wage?

Why would unions care how much non-union labor is paid?

Because union wage increases are based on minimum wage increases, one of many examples of how a higher minimum wage benefits everyone, even non-union workers.


If the non-union guys are making closer to what the union guys make, the union shop is more competitive, so unions will sometimes do what they can to drive non-union wages up. Trade union support of Prevailing Wage rules for government construction contracts would be one example of this.
 
2014-01-17 10:17:31 PM  
If you increase pay across the board and take a 300% profit instead of a 400% profit, more people have spending money, and maybe that 400% profit can still be reached.  Explain how that's bad for the economy (don't give me this inflation, crap; that only happens when government prints money to no end).
 
2014-01-18 08:34:58 AM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: If you increase pay across the board and take a 300% profit instead of a 400% profit, more people have spending money, and maybe that 400% profit can still be reached.  Explain how that's bad for the economy (don't give me this inflation, crap; that only happens when government prints money to no end).


You have a list of businesses making a 400% profit?  Because I'd love to set up shop next door and only take a 200% profit.
 
2014-01-18 08:51:41 AM  

AngryDragon: oldernell: Or, as the gop calls it, Utopia.


You may be surprised to learn that Clinton (and Obama) are moderate conservatives.
 
2014-01-18 09:08:13 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: AngryDragon: oldernell: Or, as the gop calls it, Utopia.

You may be surprised to learn that Clinton (and Obama) are moderate conservatives.


Not surprised.  They're also not GOP (at least not officially).  Partisanism irritates me.
 
2014-01-18 09:39:38 AM  

MugzyBrown: rumpelstiltskin: It must be fascinating to think like that, to look at the world and process what you see like that. Do you sometimes skip your medicine, just to enjoy the view? I know I would if I were farking insane.

Do labor unions support increasing the minimum wage?

If your answer to this question is yes, then try to think of reasons why.


Because union wage contracts are often tied to the minimum wage. Raise the minimum wage, it raises union wages. Raise union wages, and you raise union dues. Raise union dues, and the corrupt union leaders get to buy more politicians and private jets.
 
2014-01-18 12:03:33 PM  

adm_crunch: MugzyBrown: rumpelstiltskin: It must be fascinating to think like that, to look at the world and process what you see like that. Do you sometimes skip your medicine, just to enjoy the view? I know I would if I were farking insane.

Do labor unions support increasing the minimum wage?

If your answer to this question is yes, then try to think of reasons why.

Because union wage contracts are often tied to the minimum wage. Raise the minimum wage, it raises union wages. Raise union wages, and you raise union dues. Raise union dues, and the corrupt union leaders get to buy more politicians and private jets.


Small problem with your theory. The International guys raise your dues because fark you, that's why. They're the ones who might be flying private jets. The people with the most to gain from a wage increase, besides the membership, are the local officers. They might buy a Cadillac, if they were dumb enough to rub your nose in it. As for buying politicians, that's an arms race with the corporate interests. One that unions have actually been losing. Look how useless the NLRB has been for 30 years.
 
2014-01-18 04:09:58 PM  
The US was one Supreme Court justice away from having child labor, slave wages, and exploding bakeries

They still are.
 
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