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2014-01-17 10:31:49 AM
All that time and hard work to get a CMC billet and he couldn't keep his little brain in check.  Sad.

One of the commenters on the site wonders why they don't punish the two participants equally.  One: the military has a different judicial system than the civilian world.  Two: the burden of leadership is on the leaders; the junior sailors are expected to look up to and model their behavior on that of the CPO quarters.  The CMC should get seriously punished, because a f*ck-up by him reflects on everything in the command, while a f*ck up by BMSA Whomever is just a junior sailor being a junior sailor.
 
2014-01-17 11:05:13 AM
Way to break the stereotype, navy!
 
2014-01-17 11:07:41 AM
Just don't mention what goes on in the rest of the ship!

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2014-01-17 11:09:15 AM
Don't ask - don't tell?

dnrtfa
 
2014-01-17 11:09:20 AM
500 sailors go out, 250 couples come back.
 
2014-01-17 11:09:35 AM

factoryconnection: The CMC should get seriously punished, because a f*ck-up by him reflects on everything in the command


Hilarious when you compare that to the corporate environment. I'm amazed the notion of responsibility even exists these days.
 
2014-01-17 11:11:31 AM
OK - I rtfa.

Where does it say anything about the ghey?
 
2014-01-17 11:11:32 AM
Some things never change. And some things shouldn't change.
 
2014-01-17 11:12:15 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: Just don't mention what goes on in the rest of the ship!

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


Suddenly the song "Blow the Man Down" takes on a new meaning.
 
2014-01-17 11:12:19 AM
Somebody take a torpedo in the stern?
 
2014-01-17 11:12:51 AM

Phil Moskowitz: factoryconnection: The CMC should get seriously punished, because a f*ck-up by him reflects on everything in the command

Hilarious when you compare that to the corporate environment. I'm amazed the notion of responsibility even exists these days.


Too true. More often than not, the shiat rolls downhill and the executive comes out smelling like roses.
 
2014-01-17 11:14:56 AM
I hate this shiat. The Chief's Mess has a responsibility to it's junior enlisted, to the JO's and to the command. One bullshiat move like this and the loss of confidence in the abilities of the mess is irepairable.
 
2014-01-17 11:15:34 AM
Obama taking down the command structure of our military....

all part of the plan people.
 
2014-01-17 11:15:45 AM
Someone playing with the captains log.
 
2014-01-17 11:15:50 AM
We had a lot of that going on in OIF.   A LOT.
 
2014-01-17 11:15:53 AM

offmymeds: DarkSoulNoHope: Just don't mention what goes on in the rest of the ship!

[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]

Suddenly the song "Blow the Man Down" takes on a new meaning.


I always thought that was the meaning.  It gets lonely out there.  About 15 minutes after leaving port.
 
2014-01-17 11:15:53 AM
There really should have been a 1960s TV series about a crusading attorney called "Cole's Law".

/funny name to call an attorney
 
2014-01-17 11:16:22 AM
well that's why i'd never heard of it. wikipedia says they didn't start CMC until '95.
 
2014-01-17 11:17:58 AM

Far Cough: There really should have been a 1960s TV series about a crusading attorney called "Cole's Law".

/funny name to call an attorney


i lol'd a little.
 
2014-01-17 11:19:30 AM

Curious: well that's why i'd never heard of it. wikipedia says they didn't start CMC until '95.


There's been a senior enlisted advisor a lot longer than that. We had a command senior chief on my destroyer in the mid-'80s.
 
2014-01-17 11:25:13 AM
I was at the commissioning of the Cole at Port Everglades back in June of 96.  If you ever get the chance to see one, go.  it's pretty cool.

/Different CMC back then, just checked the book from Commissioning Day
 
2014-01-17 11:26:13 AM

mbillips: Curious: well that's why i'd never heard of it. wikipedia says they didn't start CMC until '95.

There's been a senior enlisted advisor a lot longer than that. We had a command senior chief on my destroyer in the mid-'80s.


I think it is yet another idea grafted from the Submarine force, with our Chief of the Boat (COB) concept to the wider Navy.
 
2014-01-17 11:27:05 AM

KidneyStone: /Different CMC back then, just checked the book from Commissioning Day


The billet rotates about every three years, Commanding Officer, too.
 
2014-01-17 11:28:27 AM
eil.com

I had a navy friend that told me you weren't gay if you didn't touch the back of his head.
 
2014-01-17 11:29:23 AM

Mell of a Hess: OK - I rtfa.

Where does it say anything about the ghey?


It is the Navy so it is implied

/Just kidding
 
2014-01-17 11:31:31 AM
It's hardly unusual for someone in the Navy to be blown offshore.
 
2014-01-17 11:31:57 AM
Pretty sure both got punished, but it was only the CMC bit was considered newsworthy.  It would be pretty unusual otherwise.  If the Navy can punish someone for something, they will.  It's just sort of a thing with them.
 
2014-01-17 11:32:09 AM

Mell of a Hess: OK - I rtfa.

Where does it say anything about the ghey?


For those wondering, their are many female sailors aboard the US Navy's ships these days. Not sure what the male/female ratio is, but it's decreasing all the time.   If I had to guess from what I've seen, it's probably approaching 20% women.
 
2014-01-17 11:32:48 AM
Not to make light of the Aden bombing, but does anyone know what the eventual decision was regarding the turret explosion on the Iowa back in the 80s? I can't seem to find either official statements or anything like that. I seem to recall a rumor about a relationship going bad and one sailor blew the turret up as some sort of suicide/revenge plot, but I may have dreamed that, and also I am badly hung over so my google-fu is lacking.
 
2014-01-17 11:33:06 AM
s/their/there
 
2014-01-17 11:38:12 AM

Phil Moskowitz: factoryconnection: The CMC should get seriously punished, because a f*ck-up by him reflects on everything in the command

Hilarious when you compare that to the corporate environment. I'm amazed the notion of responsibility even exists these days.


Not sure what you are talking about - in the corporate environment they would both be fired. Or leave for "medical reasons."

/see CEO of Boeing as a high level example
 
2014-01-17 11:40:38 AM

echomike23: Far Cough: There really should have been a 1960s TV series about a crusading attorney called "Cole's Law".

/funny name to call an attorney

i lol'd a little.


Yeah - not bad.
 
2014-01-17 11:41:28 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I had a navy friend that told me you weren't gay if you didn't touch the back of his head.


My brother was in the Navy and gets really defensive when you imply everyone in the Navy is gayer than Christmas at Bloomingdales.

/gay
//he may be over compensating for something.
 
2014-01-17 11:45:51 AM

mbillips: Curious: well that's why i'd never heard of it. wikipedia says they didn't start CMC until '95.

There's been a senior enlisted advisor a lot longer than that. We had a command senior chief on my destroyer in the mid-'80s.


Hell I was a Marine and I knew about CMCs from the late 70s, the CMCs office was one deck up from my berthing compartment on board the old Iwo Jima


/never trust wikipedia fully
//Probably didn't start with the RANK CMC until 95, the Iwos' CMC was a regular master chief with a office that acted as a liaison between the senior officers and the enlisted sailors
 
2014-01-17 11:45:51 AM

gingerjet: My brother was in the Navy and gets really defensive when you imply everyone in the Navy is gayer than Christmas at Bloomingdales.

/gay


It's not a navy thing.  The gay thing is a pretty standard joke inside (that is, everyone's already aware, har har)... sounds like your bro may have caught teh ghey too, though, and that's what prompts his defensiveness.
 
2014-01-17 11:50:58 AM
I blame Obama.

Of course, since the bombing of the USS Cole (2000) happened on Clinton's watch, nobody is to blame for that.

But blame Obama just in case.
 
2014-01-17 11:51:48 AM

Curious: well that's why i'd never heard of it. wikipedia says they didn't start CMC until '95.


What? That doesn't make any sense, my ship (USS Antietam) had a CMC in '92 when I got there.
 
2014-01-17 11:52:28 AM

Towermonkey: Not to make light of the Aden bombing, but does anyone know what the eventual decision was regarding the turret explosion on the Iowa back in the 80s? I can't seem to find either official statements or anything like that. I seem to recall a rumor about a relationship going bad and one sailor blew the turret up as some sort of suicide/revenge plot, but I may have dreamed that, and also I am badly hung over so my google-fu is lacking.


They concluded that they really just don't know.  At least that's the official line.  "despite all efforts no certain answer regarding the cause of this terrible tragedy can be found"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion#Conclusion
 
2014-01-17 11:59:11 AM

mbillips: Curious: well that's why i'd never heard of it. wikipedia says they didn't start CMC until '95.

There's been a senior enlisted advisor a lot longer than that. We had a command senior chief on my destroyer in the mid-'80s.


i got off active duty in late '63 and while i try to be current on what the navy has done it's not a high priority. we had E9 master chiefs but no one particular extra special chief.
 
2014-01-17 12:05:08 PM

Towermonkey: Not to make light of the Aden bombing, but does anyone know what the eventual decision was regarding the turret explosion on the Iowa back in the 80s? I can't seem to find either official statements or anything like that. I seem to recall a rumor about a relationship going bad and one sailor blew the turret up as some sort of suicide/revenge plot, but I may have dreamed that, and also I am badly hung over so my google-fu is lacking.


A civilian investigation concluded that obsolete, unstable powder, combined with gun crew inexperience, caused the explosion. The Navy initially blamed it on sabotage by a suicidal, allegedly gay sailor, but that story fell apart. One reason they retired the battleships soon after that was that it would be too expensive to fix the safety issues on the 16-inch guns. The powder they were using in the '80s was WWII and Korean War vintage; there were no factories still making it.
 
2014-01-17 12:05:24 PM

Pribar: Probably didn't start with the RANK CMC until 95, the Iwos' CMC was a regular master chief with a office that acted as a liaison between the senior officers and the enlisted sailors


CMCs are E-9s but billeted as the senior enlisted onboard; only the MCPON is an E-10 in the Navy as far as I know, like the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps.

nymersic: It's not a navy thing. The gay thing is a pretty standard joke inside (that is, everyone's already aware, har har)... sounds like your bro may have caught teh ghey too, though, and that's what prompts his defensiveness.


Well it could be that the joke is f*cking tired since it has been in circulation since forever.  "Oh, you don't say... the chicken wanted to get to the other side, eh?  Wow."
 
2014-01-17 12:10:10 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: Towermonkey: Not to make light of the Aden bombing, but does anyone know what the eventual decision was regarding the turret explosion on the Iowa back in the 80s? I can't seem to find either official statements or anything like that. I seem to recall a rumor about a relationship going bad and one sailor blew the turret up as some sort of suicide/revenge plot, but I may have dreamed that, and also I am badly hung over so my google-fu is lacking.

They concluded that they really just don't know.  At least that's the official line.  "despite all efforts no certain answer regarding the cause of this terrible tragedy can be found"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion#Conclusion


Huh. How I missed that I don't know, although it might be my tendency to avoid Wikipedia as a damned wormhole for my brain... I had a cousin serving on the Iowa right before it happened, he speculated at the time on the cause being shoddy maintenance on pretty old equipment, and he was of the opinion that the accident was just that, an accident. I do remember it dominated the news for a while back when I was in high school.

Many years later, I read an interesting book about the last time those 16" guns were fired in combat, at some Iraqi coastal defenses in Gulf War 1. It was both chilling and made me a little sad for all those chief gunner's mates that were never going to pull those brass triggers and send a shell the size of a VW Beetle hurtling 30 miles inland.
 
2014-01-17 12:13:28 PM
I didn't know that a Master Chief going to Captain's Mast was newsworthy.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:20 PM

dj_bigbird: Curious: well that's why i'd never heard of it. wikipedia says they didn't start CMC until '95.

What? That doesn't make any sense, my ship (USS Antietam) had a CMC in '92 when I got there.


1) it's wikipedia 2) i misread it. your pick. i'd been out almost 30 years by '92.
 
2014-01-17 12:18:04 PM
I knew this guy.

I personally witnessed him lie to his shipmates on MANY occassions while he retained a TS/SCI clearance.

Most called him a BS'r, but there's a difference between lying and telling some BS sea story.

I was finally done with him after he borrowed money from one of his friends and when the friend needed the money back for a trip home to see a sick family member, Larry said, sure, I have it, come get it; I'll be at work.

I give the friend a ride out to the building to pick up his money; on the way there, I told him Larry would probably reneg...and sure enough, Larry came up with some BS excuse on why he didn't have the money even after telling his friend he did and that he could come pick it up.

The friend really needed that money back for his travel expenses to get home, and Larry F'd him.

Burn bag, that guy is.

Surprised he made it that far - not surprised he crashed and burned.

Oh, the schadenfreude.
 
2014-01-17 12:24:00 PM

slayer199: I didn't know that a Master Chief going to Captain's Mast was newsworthy.


It is because an E-9 is usually God Like and almost untouchable.

Notice they didn't say he was reduced in rank; just fired. To "bust" an E-9 is a BIG deal.  They'll probably just let him retire with full benefits.  That'll learn 'em.

Free money for life!
 
2014-01-17 12:28:06 PM

bo_loo: Notice they didn't say he was reduced in rank; just fired. To "bust" an E-9 is a BIG deal. They'll probably just let him retire with full benefits.


Well, I thought fraternizing with a lower rank or marital infidelity were court martialable offenses...I guess what is surprising is that he only had Captain's Mast.
 
2014-01-17 12:32:05 PM

factoryconnection: Pribar: Probably didn't start with the RANK CMC until 95, the Iwos' CMC was a regular master chief with a office that acted as a liaison between the senior officers and the enlisted sailors

CMCs are E-9s but billeted as the senior enlisted onboard; only the MCPON is an E-10 in the Navy as far as I know, like the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps.

nymersic: It's not a navy thing. The gay thing is a pretty standard joke inside (that is, everyone's already aware, har har)... sounds like your bro may have caught teh ghey too, though, and that's what prompts his defensiveness.

Well it could be that the joke is f*cking tired since it has been in circulation since forever.  "Oh, you don't say... the chicken wanted to get to the other side, eh?  Wow."


The gay of the navy is kinda like the LTGs of college. everyone knows one, but no one wants to say they are. There is the ghey, but running into the shower isn't autoporn.

My FIL was Master Chief of the 8th naval district in Seatlle in 1972. It was just senior Cheif at that time...the highest rank available. 40 year enlistment. Pearl Survivor. Elex, and smart enuf to be crazy.
 
2014-01-17 12:54:30 PM
well that blows.
 
2014-01-17 12:55:15 PM

bo_loo: slayer199: I didn't know that a Master Chief going to Captain's Mast was newsworthy.

It is because an E-9 is usually God Like and almost untouchable.

Notice they didn't say he was reduced in rank; just fired. To "bust" an E-9 is a BIG deal.  They'll probably just let him retire with full benefits.  That'll learn 'em.


The CMC aboard my ship in the early 80s had joined as a Bosun's Mate in 1944.  Ended up doing something like 43-44 years before being medically retired.  His wife had done 20 with the Marines, and their son was an E-8 on a boat tied up at the next pier to us.
 
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