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(Gallup)   Gallup poll says Americans rate the government as the top U.S. problem. If there was only some way we could change out the people who are in office every two, four or six years   (gallup.com) divider line 113
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2014-01-17 09:04:10 AM  
It's no wonder people are sick of the government; our government has been dysfunctional ever since the 2008 elections.
 
2014-01-17 09:12:40 AM  
No you see, my guy is great. It's all those other assholes that are the problem.
 
2014-01-17 09:22:04 AM  

Sybarite: No you see, my guy is great. It's all those other assholes that are the problem.


or sometimes, my guy is a complete asshole, and all the other guys are awesome.
 
2014-01-17 09:32:29 AM  
Changing puppets wont change the puppetmasters.
 
2014-01-17 09:41:33 AM  
Kill citizens united and the power of the religious right and we will have a good start

/toss in a glass stiegel law to help
 
2014-01-17 10:00:29 AM  
This is all the liberal media's fault.
 
2014-01-17 10:03:17 AM  
Lucky LaRue: It's no wonder people are sick of the government; our government has been dysfunctional ever since the 2008 1996 elections.

FTFY
 
2014-01-17 10:14:03 AM  

Lucky LaRue: It's no wonder people are sick of the government; our government has been dysfunctional ever since the 2008 elections.


For some values of dysfunctional. It's still resolving political disputes without much in the way of attrition of partisans via munitions -- though I'm cynically wondering just how much longer we'll continue to clear even that low bar.

Nadie_AZ: Kill citizens united and the power of the religious right and we will have a good start


It may suffice to merely neutralize the religious right by setting them and the banks at each others' throats.

Therion: This is all the liberal media's fault.


But that's only because it's under the control of the Elders of Zion.

Speaking of which, my friend Larry down in Alabama would like to get word out to the Elders that they're horribly behind in paying him for his manipulations of the media. He hasn't gotten a single check from them since he became editor at a newspaper. If anyone has connections over to the accounting department, that would be just great.
 
2014-01-17 10:16:17 AM  

edmo: Lucky LaRue: It's no wonder people are sick of the government; our government has been dysfunctional ever since the 2008 1996 elections.

FTFY


It makes me laugh that you are talking about the 1990s

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2014-01-17 10:16:41 AM  
Done in 2 and 4.
 
2014-01-17 10:18:17 AM  
America's biggest problem:

www.ethannonsequitur.com
 
2014-01-17 10:24:41 AM  

black__hippie: Changing puppets wont change the puppetmasters.


So much this.
 
2014-01-17 10:35:51 AM  
But the government was great between 1981 and 1993 and between 2001 and 2008, right?
 
2014-01-17 10:52:02 AM  
Clearly, people are saying they want more government.
 
2014-01-17 10:52:25 AM  
Nobody wants to admit it, but the ultimate problem is us.  It's not that we don't have the power to change things, it's that we're too lazy to bother with it.  Complaining is way easier.
 
2014-01-17 10:53:40 AM  

mrshowrules: America's biggest problem:

[www.ethannonsequitur.com image 499x720]


A man full of interesting ideas, but who couldn't write a character besides "Issac Asimov, but different looking" to save his life.
 
2014-01-17 10:54:30 AM  
Many of those same people go on to elect politicians that want all government programs to fail, that'll help the situation.

That's like saying "Hey my car not running, let me go take it to a guy who breaks cars for a living, that will fix my car"
 
2014-01-17 10:55:53 AM  
Any poll on this topic that doesn't have corporations leading by a large margin indicates that people still don't get it in this country.
 
2014-01-17 10:56:22 AM  

Headso: Many of those same people go on to elect politicians that want all government programs to fail, that'll help the situation.

That's like saying "Hey my car not running, let me go take it to a guy who breaks cars for a living, that will fix my car"


And then complaining about how their car is broken, and complaining about the guy next door whose car is working because he took it to a real mechanic, and then trying to outlaw mechanics.
 
2014-01-17 10:57:25 AM  

Sybarite: No you see, my guy is great. It's all those other assholes that are the problem.


Done in two.

The incumbency is strong with this one.
 
2014-01-17 10:58:19 AM  

Cletus C.: Clearly, people are saying they want more a functional government.


FTFY
 
2014-01-17 10:58:46 AM  

Smelly McUgly: Any poll on this topic that doesn't have corporations leading by a large margin indicates that people still don't get it in this country.


With a government energetic enough (to borrow a Founder-phrase), corporations wouldn't be running Congress.
 
2014-01-17 10:58:47 AM  
You don't get to pick the people who have enough money to mount a real campaign. That is done by your betters. So what's the point if voting just gives you the illusion of choice?
 
2014-01-17 10:59:02 AM  

mrshowrules: America's biggest problem:


This, but the blaming of nebulous big government is because most people overestimate the popularity of their views.

The law an individual wants fails to get passed because of bad representatives. It couldn't be ignorant voters outweighing those who agree with said individual.

People really believe that way. You see it on fark, fox news, you name it.
 
2014-01-17 10:59:10 AM  

black__hippie: Changing puppets wont change the puppetmasters.


Spot farking ON.
 
2014-01-17 11:00:38 AM  
microsoftproblems.com
 
2014-01-17 11:00:46 AM  

Andric: Nobody wants to admit it, but the ultimate problem is us.  It's not that we don't have the power to change things, it's that we're too lazy to bother with it.  Complaining is way easier.


Don't forget stupid, ignorant, neurotic, arrogant . . .
 
2014-01-17 11:02:54 AM  

Headso: Many of those same people go on to elect politicians that want all government programs to fail, that'll help the situation.

That's like saying "Hey my car not running, let me go take it to a guy who breaks cars for a living, that will fix my car"


If you need a plane to get where you're going, maybe your car is holding you back.
 
2014-01-17 11:03:14 AM  
While "Government" may be the top problem, I bet what the reason is varies greatly.
 
2014-01-17 11:04:27 AM  

ikanreed: mrshowrules: America's biggest problem:

[www.ethannonsequitur.com image 499x720]

A man full of interesting ideas, but who couldn't write a character besides "Issac Asimov, but different looking" to save his life.


Asimov was not the best author in terms of character development.  He was a non-fiction author primarily BTW.
 
2014-01-17 11:05:35 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: But the government was great between 1981 and 1993 and between 2001 and 2008, right?


Too right. We didn't waste any money between 2001-08 nor lose American lives on foreign soil.
 
2014-01-17 11:07:10 AM  

Andric: Nobody wants to admit it, but the ultimate problem is us.  It's not that we don't have the power to change things, it's that we're too lazy to bother with it.  Complaining is way easier.


Mmm... not entirely true. Many people (myself and husband included) have tried to 'fight city hall'. But, city hall ain't listening to you or I. They are listening to whatever corporation or lobbying arm presents them with the most benefit.

Corporatism has destroyed the US political process, IMO.
 
2014-01-17 11:10:17 AM  

Smackledorfer: mrshowrules: America's biggest problem:

This, but the blaming of nebulous big government is because most people overestimate the popularity of their views.

The law an individual wants fails to get passed because of bad representatives. It couldn't be ignorant voters outweighing those who agree with said individual.

People really believe that way. You see it on fark, fox news, you name it.


Yup.  Like people who complain that the healthcare "debates" leading up to the ACA didn't result in universal healthcare.

Really?  In the first presidency following George W. Bush, in a country in which evolution and birth control are still controversial, in a country where many people don't even think the government should be inspecting food . . . you think we could have gotten universal healthcare in one fell swoop, and it's only the "corrupt politicians" that kept that from happening?  Seriously?  I'm not completely happy with the ACA, of course, but with the ignorance and regressive mindset of the majority of people in this country, it's a miracle we got something even THAT progressive.
 
2014-01-17 11:11:05 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Smelly McUgly: Any poll on this topic that doesn't have corporations leading by a large margin indicates that people still don't get it in this country.

With a government energetic enough (to borrow a Founder-phrase), corporations wouldn't be running Congress.


The more "energetic" the government, the more ROI corporations would see in making sure that Congress went their direction.
 
2014-01-17 11:12:23 AM  

phenn: Corporatism has destroyed the US political process, IMO.


Politicians are still elected through elections.  If voters are stupid enough to vote based on things they hear in corporate-funded campaign ads, then that's their own fault.
 
2014-01-17 11:14:45 AM  

iawai: Dr Dreidel: Smelly McUgly: Any poll on this topic that doesn't have corporations leading by a large margin indicates that people still don't get it in this country.

With a government energetic enough (to borrow a Founder-phrase), corporations wouldn't be running Congress.

The more "energetic" the government, the more ROI corporations would see in making sure that Congress went their direction.


Then we may as well disband the whole thing. A less energetic government wouldn't be able to stand up to corporations either.

Tell the Sergent-at-Arms to hit the lights on his way out.
 
2014-01-17 11:18:32 AM  
I pay attention to cocrete polls that ask people what they actually intend to do about something.
I pay no attention to abstract polls about how people "feel" about things. Such polls are intrinsically push polls, and their methodology predetermine the results.
 
2014-01-17 11:19:33 AM  
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/oblig
 
2014-01-17 11:19:44 AM  
The real problem is people only remember what they want to remember...
 
2014-01-17 11:20:55 AM  

mrshowrules: America's biggest problem:

[www.ethannonsequitur.com image 499x720]


Actually, that does sound like a pretty good definition of democracy.  The other option seems to be to have you and me cede control of the government to a bureaucracy of experts.  Perhaps more experts would be a better thing, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
 
2014-01-17 11:23:40 AM  

lockers: While "Government" may be the top problem, I bet what the reason is varies greatly.


Exactly. It's like all those polls that were presented as something like "eighty percent of people hate Obamacare!". Then, when you'd look at the actual results, you'd find out that they lumped together the people who thought Obamacare didn't go far enough with the people who thought it went too far.
 
2014-01-17 11:24:38 AM  

iawai: Headso: Many of those same people go on to elect politicians that want all government programs to fail, that'll help the situation.

That's like saying "Hey my car not running, let me go take it to a guy who breaks cars for a living, that will fix my car"

If you need a plane to get where you're going, maybe your car is holding you back.


We could have a jet, were it not for ideologues like yourself. You are exactly the person Headso refers to.

Love the irony of you using that analogy though. Jets cost more than cars and require upkeep. Easily worth the money when large numbers of people have valuable time and need to travel a significant distance though. Airlines, for all our complaints, are a huge improvement to overall efficiency functioning of the economy than a lack of airlines. Meanwhile from your many posts I think the government you want is some kind of mediocre offbrand knockoff of a can-am spyder: looks nifty at a glance and doesn't do much at all but still winds up expensive.
 
2014-01-17 11:26:34 AM  

The Name: phenn: Corporatism has destroyed the US political process, IMO.

Politicians are still elected through elections.  If voters are stupid enough to vote based on things they hear in corporate-funded campaign ads, then that's their own fault.


True dat, but voters don't get stupid all by themselves.  It helps to have an educational system funded by property taxes.  Otherwise the working class might listen to non-corporate voices, like unions.
 
2014-01-17 11:27:50 AM  
wow it's almost as if something is spending billions of dollars to alter people's perceptions.
 
2014-01-17 11:32:24 AM  
It looks like the Republican strategy of the last 35+ years is working out nicely in their favor...

GOP strategy:
1. Use their political positions to make government dysfunctional
2. Point to said dysfunction as proof that government regulations/programs are not working
3. Use dysfunction as rational for cutting those dysfunctional programs
4. Rinse repeat.

The most insidious part of this plan is they don't even need anywhere near a majority of the government for this to work. All they need to control is enough of it to break things through obstruction. While the Democrats actually need to pass legislation with majority rule, Republicans only need to throw wrenches in the gears of government to succeed. The republican didn't even try to win the presidency the last two cycles ffs.

The fruits of their labors can be seen in thesoaring disparity of the fortunes of the ultra wealthy/corporations vs the middle and lower class. There is class warfare going on, and the rich are winning.
 
2014-01-17 11:32:57 AM  

iawai: Headso: Many of those same people go on to elect politicians that want all government programs to fail, that'll help the situation.

That's like saying "Hey my car not running, let me go take it to a guy who breaks cars for a living, that will fix my car"

If you need a plane to get where you're going, maybe your car is holding you back.


Are you saying where we're going we won't need roads?
 
2014-01-17 11:35:38 AM  

mrshowrules: ikanreed: mrshowrules: America's biggest problem:

[www.ethannonsequitur.com image 499x720]

A man full of interesting ideas, but who couldn't write a character besides "Issac Asimov, but different looking" to save his life.

Asimov was not the best author in terms of character development.  He was a non-fiction author primarily BTW.


Yeah, I've read a lot(well, more than a few percent, at least) of his books, and liked most of them.  It's just kind of amusing to see every character as this detached rational analyzer, when humanity isn't like that at all.
 
2014-01-17 11:37:18 AM  

Sybarite: No you see, my guy is great. It's all those other assholes that are the problem.


What is "How the hell do nutjobs like Cruz and Bachman keep getting re-elected?"

I'll take Political Dysfunction for $400, Alex.
 
2014-01-17 11:43:05 AM  

Lucky LaRue: It's no wonder people are sick of the government; our government has been dysfunctional ever since the 2008 elections 1789 ratification

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FTFY

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FTFM
 
2014-01-17 11:43:27 AM  
I can see no other option than to abolish government and become vassals to the benevolent and goodly Lord Koch
 
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