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(BusinessWeek)   A mere 95% of ATMs in the world are still operating on Windows XP, but don't worry, your money is perfectly safe   (businessweek.com) divider line 74
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2014-01-17 12:26:26 AM  
I know there's a large chunk of them still running OS/2 at least around Michigan.
 
2014-01-17 12:31:29 AM  
That might be safer than the new stuff that still needs patching.

The most unsecured OS is a new one that hasn't acid tested in the field for years and patched to completion.

I mean really how many times have seen 'new, new, OS" get hacked to death and there's a "New , new Patch".
 
2014-01-17 12:34:48 AM  
If it's in a closed system, does it matter what OS it's running?
 
2014-01-17 12:53:42 AM  

BizarreMan: If it's in a closed system, does it matter what OS it's running?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25550512  (just for one example).
 
2014-01-17 01:56:41 AM  
Microsoft will likely still continue to release emergency security patches for XP for years hence, just like they did with Win2K.
 
2014-01-17 07:11:23 AM  
Windows XP was an excellent OS for Windows (compared to ME, Vista, etc).  Obviously, it's WAY past it's time and the EOL is this summer.

The question I really have to ask is why Windows at all?  I would think Linux would be much better for systems that can run indefinitely without a reboot, more secure, and less prone to crashing.
 
2014-01-17 07:35:25 AM  

slayer199: the EOL is this summer.


Microsoft announce they're gonna continue security patching for another year
 
2014-01-17 07:37:24 AM  

slayer199: Windows XP was an excellent OS for Windows (compared to ME, Vista, etc).  Obviously, it's WAY past it's time and the EOL is this summer.

The question I really have to ask is why Windows at all?  I would think Linux would be much better for systems that can run indefinitely without a reboot, more secure, and less prone to crashing.


You're thinking like an end user. You've gotta think like a job creator, if they're not crashing, not rebooting, and functioning well for long periods of time, you can't sell maintenance contracts.
 
2014-01-17 07:40:34 AM  

slayer199: Windows XP was an excellent OS for Windows (compared to ME, Vista, etc).  Obviously, it's WAY past it's time and the EOL is this summer.

The question I really have to ask is why Windows at all?  I would think Linux would be much better for systems that can run indefinitely without a reboot, more secure, and less prone to crashing.


You say that until you get the Linux virus

/it works on the honor system, you have to manually delete three random files from your system folder and forward it on to everyone on your contact list.
 
2014-01-17 07:40:56 AM  
I work IT in the ATM background industry (not for any major bank), so I'm getting a kick etc. etc...

The question I really have to ask is why Windows at all?  I would think Linux would be much better for systems that can run indefinitely without a reboot, more secure, and less prone to crashing.

In the case of the ones I pay attention to, it's because they have to run several peripherals for which the drivers are easiest acquired for Windows (a lot of these machines are not new enough to be using USB peripherals), so in order to run the card reader, bill validators, cash cassettes etc. in sync with the ATM software, all of which the makers seem to have only provided Win drivers for, Windows becomes somewhat necessary.
 
2014-01-17 07:41:09 AM  

somedude210: Microsoft announce they're gonna continue security patching for another year


/facepalm
 
2014-01-17 07:43:10 AM  
A mere 95% of ATM machines in the world are still operating on Windows XP, but don't worry, your money is perfectly safe

C'mon, subby
 
2014-01-17 07:44:20 AM  

slayer199: somedude210: Microsoft announce they're gonna continue security patching for another year

/facepalm


hey, coffee hasn't kicked in. Cut me some slack!

/especially since I don't drink coffee
 
2014-01-17 07:45:48 AM  

slayer199: somedude210: Microsoft announce they're gonna continue security patching for another year

/facepalm


They will provide "antivirus warnings" until July 14th, 2015. That doesn't mean that they're providing full-stack security updates. It's pretty much game over.
 
2014-01-17 07:46:05 AM  
Now that Microsoft said that they're going to keep supporting XP until 2015 and will not stick to its April 2014 death date, I'm going to keep XP retired anyway.

Sure it can still do some cool stuff offline, but for new stuff?  Forget it. What a waste of time.
 
2014-01-17 07:50:33 AM  
will you guys make up your minds
 
2014-01-17 07:50:55 AM  
The thing that gives me money is not an ATM machine. That is an ATM.

Sasha Grey is an ATM machine.
 
2014-01-17 07:52:16 AM  
Chip and pin cards will finally be the norm here in 2015, so they'll have to upgrade those machines anyway.
 
2014-01-17 07:52:30 AM  
One of those machines in 7-eleven ate my card back in 2004. So I unplugged it and plugged it back in. Windows 2000 boot window came up.
Good times.
 
2014-01-17 07:53:10 AM  
I call them automated ATM machines just to piss people off.
 
2014-01-17 07:55:46 AM  
Most of the government/police labs are still processing drug/tox data and entering case information on Windows NT boxes with internet access, and you're worried about the ATM not supporting "pinch and slide" on the touch screen?
 
2014-01-17 07:57:21 AM  

abhorrent1: A mere 95% of ATM machines in the world are still operating on Windows XP, but don't worry, your money is perfectly safe

C'mon, subby


Grammar Nazis, I farking hate grammar nazis.
 
2014-01-17 07:59:18 AM  
I was under the impression systems that required more stability and security (such as banking systems) were better off with older OS's because they have been more rigorously tested and that's why even 3 full release versions of Windows later XP is still supported.

Also XP was pretty darned awesome (compared to some of it's siblings). I am enjoying 7 though. Vista made me want to choke a b*tch and 8 looks like it was designed by someone on acid despite its supposed performance improvements.

Protip: If you have to release a "Classic" skin for your OS due to enormous consumer pressure perhaps you shouldn't have turned it into a psychedelic nightmare in the first place. STOP TRYING TO BE APPLE!!! You suck at it.
 
2014-01-17 08:00:18 AM  
All the self-checkout machines in grocery stores run XP. I figured out how to mess up the ones at a local store. I get to the desktop, pull up the accessibility menu, get text to speech, then it starts saying "ERROR ERROR ERROR" over and over. Keeps my kids laughing all weekend.
 
2014-01-17 08:00:39 AM  
Soon we will all have rfid chips in our skulls,
The ATM can just scan the added barcode on our head....

mark of the beast.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHimg.fark.net
 
2014-01-17 08:02:41 AM  
I can't see why Redbox machines haven't been hacked the shiat out of since they use Windows 2000.
/Just get Windows 7/8 embedded and lock it down
 
2014-01-17 08:07:04 AM  
Unpatched XP machines running ATM's are the least of your worries. Why would some thief/hacker bother to figure out how to get console on an ATM, when they could just throw on one of those overlay devices on the card scanner, and harvest hundreds of numbers from people who don't realize it's there?
 
2014-01-17 08:08:57 AM  
Upgrade them all to Win 8. Your money will be safe and inaccessible from everyone including you.
 
2014-01-17 08:12:22 AM  

optikeye: That might be safer than the new stuff that still needs patching.

The most unsecured OS is a new one that hasn't acid tested in the field for years and patched to completion.

I mean really how many times have seen 'new, new, OS" get hacked to death and there's a "New , new Patch".


Yeah, but by the time they get all the patches done, and you've tweaked it into submission, it's obsolete and they don't support it anymore.
 
2014-01-17 08:13:16 AM  

make me some tea: Microsoft will likely still continue to release emergency security patches for XP for years hence, just like they did with Win2K.


If you're willing to pay for it.

/company is going through this right now
 
2014-01-17 08:15:04 AM  
We've known for over a decade now that there is no reason to go to the extra effort of hacking an ATM when it is much more lucrative to bypass it completely. Also, every ATM I've ever worked on has always been at least 1 complete OS cycle behind the general population in order for the manufacturer to have enough time to implement all security patches and bugfixes available,
 
2014-01-17 08:16:30 AM  
To be fair, those are all Windows XP embedded, so it's a bit more configurable than your home WinXP box.
 
2014-01-17 08:21:49 AM  

BizarreMan: If it's in a closed system, does it matter what OS it's running?


Kinda like the card readers at large retailers? Retailers like Target?
 
2014-01-17 08:34:29 AM  

slayer199: The question I really have to ask is why Windows at all?  I would think Linux would be much better for systems that can run indefinitely without a reboot, more secure, and less prone to crashing.


They'd have to complete rewrite their POS software to run on Linux along with all the systems that interface with it.  The cost and risks of  a complete rewrite probably isn't worth the benefits of running Linux.
 
2014-01-17 08:36:29 AM  
Hell, around 2000 nearly all of them were running OS/2, not that anybody knew or cared.
 
2014-01-17 08:38:45 AM  

Oldiron_79: abhorrent1: A mere 95% of ATM machines in the world are still operating on Windows XP, but don't worry, your money is perfectly safe

C'mon, subby

Grammar Nazis, I farking hate grammar nazis.


Man I hate grammar, nazis.
 
2014-01-17 08:41:20 AM  

uttertosh: Oldiron_79: abhorrent1: A mere 95% of ATM machines in the world are still operating on Windows XP, but don't worry, your money is perfectly safe

C'mon, subby

Grammar Nazis, I farking hate grammar nazis.

Man I hate grammar, nazis.


Grammar, I hate nazis, man.
 
2014-01-17 08:44:15 AM  
So, that just means someone's more likely to steal *the* money, not MY money.  It's tracked electronically on some big-ass server somewhere that's probably not running XP.
 
2014-01-17 08:45:28 AM  
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2014-01-17 08:47:33 AM  
I am not sure why any regular person would care. The banks should care because they are the ones liable if there is a security issue, not you. If they don't care enough to mitigate the risk, you shouldn't either.
 
2014-01-17 08:52:21 AM  
Look, I need money for the arcade.

www2.pcmag.com
 
2014-01-17 09:00:36 AM  

walktoanarcade: uttertosh: Oldiron_79: abhorrent1: A mere 95% of ATM machines in the world are still operating on Windows XP, but don't worry, your money is perfectly safe

C'mon, subby

Grammar Nazis, I farking hate grammar nazis.

Man I hate grammar, nazis.

Grammar, I hate nazis, man.


Your grammar is a man?!? Does your grampar know? I am glad that we all agree about nazis being deserving of our hatred, though!
 
2014-01-17 09:03:52 AM  
I'm reading Fark using XP. I'm pretty worried.
 
2014-01-17 09:07:05 AM  

walktoanarcade: Now that Microsoft said that they're going to keep supporting XP until 2015 and will not stick to its April 2014 death date, I'm going to keep XP retired anyway.

Sure it can still do some cool stuff offline, but for new stuff?  Forget it. What a waste of time.


What are you talking about?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx

The deadline is not being extended.

Which makes this as good a time as any to abandon Windoze and move to Mac or Linux.
 
2014-01-17 09:07:09 AM  

optikeye: That might be safer than the new stuff that still needs patching.

The most unsecured OS is a new one that hasn't acid tested in the field for years and patched to completion.

I mean really how many times have seen 'new, new, OS" get hacked to death and there's a "New , new Patch".


Yeah, I'm sure all those XP machines are being patched on a regular basis.  Second Tuesday of the month, there's a guy out there installing patches.  Yup sure.
 
2014-01-17 09:08:32 AM  

uttertosh: walktoanarcade: uttertosh: Oldiron_79: abhorrent1: A mere 95% of ATM machines in the world are still operating on Windows XP, but don't worry, your money is perfectly safe

C'mon, subby

Grammar Nazis, I farking hate grammar nazis.

Man I hate grammar, nazis.

Grammar, I hate nazis, man.

Your grammar is a man?!? Does your grampar know? I am glad that we all agree about nazis being deserving of our hatred, though!


Actually, I was telling a man named Grammar that I hate nazis and called him a man, man. Though yes, it is worth repeating that nazis were undesirable fellows. heh
 
2014-01-17 09:09:56 AM  
The other 5% ?

ANAL
 
2014-01-17 09:17:14 AM  

DarkVader: walktoanarcade: Now that Microsoft said that they're going to keep supporting XP until 2015 and will not stick to its April 2014 death date, I'm going to keep XP retired anyway.

Sure it can still do some cool stuff offline, but for new stuff?  Forget it. What a waste of time.

What are you talking about?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx

The deadline is not being extended.

Which makes this as good a time as any to abandon Windoze and move to Mac or Linux.



The BBC was reporting it yesterday.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25758308

And at least one other farker mentioned they may do broader security fixes under pressure, and frankly in my opinion, I bet they will because look at the numbers.


Now, Mac and Linux? Why would I want to waste my time with either of those OSs?  Neither one is truly safe, so why bother?

Toss in the fact that Macs are jacked up in price..haha.  Linux? No thanks, I have other shiat to do in life.
 
2014-01-17 09:18:49 AM  

walktoanarcade: Sure it can still do some cool stuff offline, but for new stuff?  Forget it. What a waste of time.


Planned obsolescence is alive and well.
 
2014-01-17 09:21:05 AM  

Kristoph57: slayer199: Windows XP was an excellent OS for Windows (compared to ME, Vista, etc).  Obviously, it's WAY past it's time and the EOL is this summer.

The question I really have to ask is why Windows at all?  I would think Linux would be much better for systems that can run indefinitely without a reboot, more secure, and less prone to crashing.

You're thinking like an end user. You've gotta think like a job creator, if they're not crashing, not rebooting, and functioning well for long periods of time, you can't sell maintenance contracts.


My file server is running XP.  I havent tinkered with it much since I put it in 10 years ago.  It's also been running non-stop.  with the exception on replacing the battery backup a couple times.

Oddly enough we have so machines at work(industrial) which have HMI's running Windows ME.  And as much trouble as i had when ME came out, its surprising that these things never crash.  with near 100% duty cycles.

All in all my file server, and these HMI's and the ATM's have 1 thing in common.  they run almost nothing but 1 piece of software which is designed to run well on them.  So they dont run into all the issues that you would normally see with constant use.

my computers that i use normally are win7/win7 pro/win 8.1 pro/win 8.1 pro   i occasionally have issues with the 7's  but after learning the ins and outs of 8 so far they have been pretty damn robust.
 
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