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(Abc.net.au)   Unexpected benefit of banning smoking in jail "From our point of view, if a prisoner is concentrating on smuggling in tobacco other than ice or marijuana, that has got to be a good thing"   (abc.net.au) divider line 57
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2014-01-16 11:37:52 PM
And while the guards are busy trying to bust everybody for smuggling in tobacco, the real drugs are easier to sneak in.
 
2014-01-17 12:00:07 AM

jaylectricity: And while the guards are busy trying to bust everybody for smuggling in tobacco, the real drugs are easier to sneak in.


It also means the guards can get more money for the cigarettes *they* smuggle in.
 
2014-01-17 01:07:15 AM
As for visitors...I don't know how much you can fit up your ..... but after a carton of cigarettes I'm about done!
 
2014-01-17 01:16:04 AM
When you get checked into prison, do you get to specify whether you'd like a smoking or non-smoking room?

I got put in a smoking room last week at the Rio, and it was terrible.
 
2014-01-17 01:19:13 AM
Why would you try to stop marijuana?  Wouldn't stoned prisoners be a whole lot.... mellower?
 
2014-01-17 01:22:30 AM

RyanC: Why would you try to stop marijuana?  Wouldn't stoned prisoners be a whole lot.... mellower?


Because prison is for punishment and if you can sit around and smoke and watch tv then that isn't much of a punishment
 
2014-01-17 01:26:53 AM
The fact that drugs can get into prisons, steadily and readily, of all places, is one of the biggest indicators that the drug war will always be a failure. I really doubt that tobacco has taken the place of smuggled in ice or heroin or whatever. You're just finding more of it because you've outlawed it and it is bigger and harder to pack mule up a butt.
 
2014-01-17 01:34:28 AM
I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.
 
2014-01-17 01:36:23 AM
How do you smuggle ice without it melting?
 
2014-01-17 01:36:48 AM
I predict it's going to get a lot more violent there when the fuses get even shorter for all the smokers that start jonesing.
 
2014-01-17 01:39:11 AM
hey man...think you can get me some ice?

sure. not a problem.

how about a carton of smokes too?

whoa whoa whoa! One or the other pal.

ok. I'll take the cigarettes...
 
2014-01-17 01:39:47 AM

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?


inside of a glass of coke.
 
2014-01-17 01:44:37 AM

RyanC: Why would you try to stop marijuana?  Wouldn't stoned prisoners be a whole lot.... mellower?


Because then you would need less prison guards on payroll.  The number of successful escapes would take a dive, as the prisoners would get lost half way down a one-way tunnel.  A black market of Tostitos would soon develop.

Why would you want that?
 
2014-01-17 01:45:47 AM
"From our point of view, if a prisoner is concentrating on smuggling in tobacco other than ice or marijuana, that has got to be a good thing." 

That sentence, it hurts my head, other than helping like ice.
 
2014-01-17 01:48:10 AM
C18H27NO3:  it's going to get a lot more violent there when... all the smokers start jonesing.


God I'm glad that I'm not in prison.

I cant imagine not having a smoke after sex.
 
2014-01-17 01:50:52 AM

violentsalvation: The fact that drugs can get into prisons, steadily and readily, of all places, is one of the biggest indicators that the drug war will always be a failure. I really doubt that tobacco has taken the place of smuggled in ice or heroin or whatever. You're just finding more of it because you've outlawed it and it is bigger and harder to pack mule up a butt.


Never have to use a mule. You can get the guards to bring in whatever you really need. They do not think twice, even the good ones, about gaining an extra $50 for getting stuff in. The problem usually is that the guards on the floor is backed up by cameras in central. makes the exchange tough but not impossible.

/a friend told me
//no really
 
2014-01-17 01:51:05 AM
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What inmates using ice may look like
 
2014-01-17 01:51:22 AM

ransack.: RyanC: Why would you try to stop marijuana?  Wouldn't stoned prisoners be a whole lot.... mellower?

Because prison is for punishment and if you can sit around and smoke and watch tv then that isn't much of a punishment


So, if you can spend the day lifting weights and/or watching TV, that's better?
 
2014-01-17 02:01:27 AM

ski9600: ransack.: RyanC: Why would you try to stop marijuana?  Wouldn't stoned prisoners be a whole lot.... mellower?

Because prison is for punishment and if you can sit around and smoke and watch tv then that isn't much of a punishment

So, if you can spend the day lifting weights and/or watching TV, that's better?


Lifting weights, becoming educated, watching TV and enjoying better health care than anyone not working for the government, actually. But you're still in prison, which means only the most violent and cunning are rewarded, which means hardly anyone actually BETTERS themselves in any way productive to society.

/Now, if prisons actually rehabilitated...nahhh
 
2014-01-17 02:02:53 AM
watching tv would be punishment enough, I think
 
2014-01-17 02:04:38 AM

Omahawg: watching tv would be punishment enough, I think


FarkTV, coming to a prison near you.
 
2014-01-17 02:06:04 AM

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?


You've heard people described as "hard as ice," and also as "hard asses"? Well, the "hard" part cancels out; and you're left with "ice asses," and those are the ones who smuggle the stuff into prisons.
 
2014-01-17 02:06:05 AM

Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.


fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?


'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'
 
2014-01-17 02:11:08 AM

phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'


Well my local McDonald's has been reported.

I just got an iced tea from there... am I going to die? I'm really scared, guys
 
2014-01-17 02:15:53 AM

phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'


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2014-01-17 02:18:12 AM

phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'


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2014-01-17 02:18:31 AM

TinyFist: phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'

Well my local McDonald's has been reported.

I just got an iced tea from there... am I going to die? I'm really scared, guys


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2014-01-17 02:23:06 AM

log_jammin: phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'


I've done my fair share of the stuff in the past and hung around with plenty of other people who've done it. I've never heard ANYONE call meth "ice". "Crystal", "speed", sometimes "crank" for the really cheap, yellowish crap, but never "ice". Must be an Aussie thing.
 
2014-01-17 02:27:08 AM

fusillade762: I've done my fair share of the stuff in the past and hung around with plenty of other people who've done it. I've never heard ANYONE call meth "ice". "Crystal", "speed", sometimes "crank" for the really cheap, yellowish crap, but never "ice". Must be an Aussie thing.


I've never done it, but I think ice was the very first thing I heard it called back in the early 90s.
 
2014-01-17 02:27:14 AM

Brainsick: TinyFist: 
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OMG YOU'RE NOT HELPING!!!
 
2014-01-17 02:32:18 AM

fusillade762: log_jammin: phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'

I've done my fair share of the stuff in the past and hung around with plenty of other people who've done it. I've never heard ANYONE call meth "ice". "Crystal", "speed", sometimes "crank" for the really cheap, yellowish crap, but never "ice". Must be an Aussie thing.


They call it that in Hawaii, too, but it's a term reserved for high-purity southeast-Asia produced meth that actually does resemble little transparent glass shards, which is the most common type found in Hawaii because meth labs are pretty much non-existent there
 
2014-01-17 02:34:06 AM

log_jammin: fusillade762: I've done my fair share of the stuff in the past and hung around with plenty of other people who've done it. I've never heard ANYONE call meth "ice". "Crystal", "speed", sometimes "crank" for the really cheap, yellowish crap, but never "ice". Must be an Aussie thing.

I've never done it, but I think ice was the very first thing I heard it called back in the early 90s.


I was led to believe Ice was different from Meth, back in the day...off to tha googles...here we go
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 Ice is a crystalline form of methamphetamine which is high in purity (90 - 100%). It is similar in size and appearance to quartz or rock salt. An ice high is said to last anywhere from 7 to 24 hours. Crystal meth, while it is called crystal, is usually obtained in a powder form and in varying levels of purity. The effects of crystal meth may last two to four hours.
 
2014-01-17 02:34:57 AM

ransack.: fusillade762: log_jammin: phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'

I've done my fair share of the stuff in the past and hung around with plenty of other people who've done it. I've never heard ANYONE call meth "ice". "Crystal", "speed", sometimes "crank" for the really cheap, yellowish crap, but never "ice". Must be an Aussie thing.

They call it that in Hawaii, too, but it's a term reserved for high-purity southeast-Asia produced meth that actually does resemble little transparent glass shards, which is the most common type found in Hawaii because meth labs are pretty much non-existent there


Indeed. According to Wikipedia:

Methamphetamine, nicknamed "ice" in Australia, Hawaii
 
2014-01-17 02:35:37 AM

fusillade762: log_jammin: phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'

I've done my fair share of the stuff in the past and hung around with plenty of other people who've done it. I've never heard ANYONE call meth "ice". "Crystal", "speed", sometimes "crank" for the really cheap, yellowish crap, but never "ice". Must be an Aussie thing.


Where the hell have you been? Ice has always been purified crystal. The really good stuff, it's like snorting slivered glass. Rips your nervous system about the same too. Maybe it's a West Coast thing. A wee bit too much ice was what started me thinking maybe meth was a bad idea for me.
 
2014-01-17 02:51:45 AM

violentsalvation: The fact that drugs can get into prisons, steadily and readily, of all places, is one of the biggest indicators that the drug war will always be a failure.


Something I have always wondered about:  Drug dealers expect to get paid.  How do prisoners pay for their drugs?  Sure, some powerful bosses will have connections on the outside.  But the average prisoner isn't going to have access to money, are they?
 
2014-01-17 03:39:03 AM

flondrix: violentsalvation: The fact that drugs can get into prisons, steadily and readily, of all places, is one of the biggest indicators that the drug war will always be a failure.

Something I have always wondered about:  Drug dealers expect to get paid.  How do prisoners pay for their drugs?  Sure, some powerful bosses will have connections on the outside.  But the average prisoner isn't going to have access to money, are they?


I think currency suffers a limited usability in prison and that there are other services one could offer. Give this dude your butt, give this dude's butt hell, shank this dude before he testifies, be part of race-based tribe against that other group that is edging in on our prison bench, etc.
 
2014-01-17 03:51:52 AM

violentsalvation: flondrix: violentsalvation: The fact that drugs can get into prisons, steadily and readily, of all places, is one of the biggest indicators that the drug war will always be a failure.

Something I have always wondered about:  Drug dealers expect to get paid.  How do prisoners pay for their drugs?  Sure, some powerful bosses will have connections on the outside.  But the average prisoner isn't going to have access to money, are they?

I think currency suffers a limited usability in prison and that there are other services one could offer. Give this dude your butt, give this dude's butt hell, shank this dude before he testifies, be part of race-based tribe against that other group that is edging in on our prison bench, etc.


Not so much butts, but bags of chips, Twizzlers, coffee, ramen noodles.. the economics of prison are very strange when you consider that almost everything is contraband and every market is black. A friend of mine who was in prison for a couple of years told me they used pouches of mackrel for currency because they consistently cost a dollar at the commissary and nobody liked to consume them.
 
2014-01-17 03:53:49 AM
Mackerel, I mean, something like this

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That's a prison buck
 
2014-01-17 03:56:23 AM

ransack.: Not so much butts, but bags of chips, Twizzlers, coffee, ramen noodles.. the economics of prison are very strange when you consider that almost everything is contraband and every market is black. A friend of mine who was in prison for a couple of years told me they used pouches of mackrel for currency because they consistently cost a dollar at the commissary and nobody liked to consume them.


None of that is going to have much value to the person who brings drugs from outside the prison.  Why would that person sell their drugs to prisoners for whatever has value in prison, when they could be selling to someone on the outside for money instead?
 
2014-01-17 04:04:26 AM

flondrix: ransack.: Not so much butts, but bags of chips, Twizzlers, coffee, ramen noodles.. the economics of prison are very strange when you consider that almost everything is contraband and every market is black. A friend of mine who was in prison for a couple of years told me they used pouches of mackrel for currency because they consistently cost a dollar at the commissary and nobody liked to consume them.

None of that is going to have much value to the person who brings drugs from outside the prison.  Why would that person sell their drugs to prisoners for whatever has value in prison, when they could be selling to someone on the outside for money instead?


In short, because drugs sold in prison earn the dealer ten times what they do out in public. The gangs controlling the prisons also control a decent number of guards and it's not at all a problem to find drugs in prison. It's as easy to find heroin as it is to find a bag of Cheetos, as long as you have the money. And a lot of those guys still control things outside, they have their people outside putting funds into their commissary accounts, they still earn a fair amount of income from within the walls and they don't have rent or cable bills to pay. And the guards know, an $80 gram of blow they could just buy on the street, they can pass to a guy inside for $300, and he'll sell it for $800.

It's like, the free market, or something.
 
2014-01-17 05:20:15 AM

fusillade762: jaylectricity: And while the guards are busy trying to bust everybody for smuggling in tobacco, the real drugs are easier to sneak in.

It also means the guards can get more money for the cigarettes *they* smuggle in.


this
 
2014-01-17 05:49:11 AM

ransack.: RyanC: Why would you try to stop marijuana?  Wouldn't stoned prisoners be a whole lot.... mellower?

Because prison is for punishment and if you can sit around and smoke and watch tv then that isn't much of a punishment


Seriously??

Watching tv and being able to smoke offsets the fact that you are locked up, can't leave, can't call anyone except collect, can't even wear any clothes other than the outstanding prison jumper, and oh yes, your locked away!
 
2014-01-17 05:51:15 AM

flondrix: ransack.: Not so much butts, but bags of chips, Twizzlers, coffee, ramen noodles.. the economics of prison are very strange when you consider that almost everything is contraband and every market is black. A friend of mine who was in prison for a couple of years told me they used pouches of mackrel for currency because they consistently cost a dollar at the commissary and nobody liked to consume them.

None of that is going to have much value to the person who brings drugs from outside the prison.  Why would that person sell their drugs to prisoners for whatever has value in prison, when they could be selling to someone on the outside for money instead?


The inmate or his friends on the outside bought it.  Just because he is in jail doesn't mean he can't tell someone what to buy and what to do with it.  His money isn't in jail.  Or his friends felt bad for him and give him a 'gift'. Drugs are not very expensive, cheaper than filling up your gas tank.
 
2014-01-17 06:13:19 AM
Just like the black market outside prison, its a good example of a free market economy without regulation.

Basically a barter system,what you have to sell is worth exactly what someone else is willing to give you for it.
 
2014-01-17 07:18:10 AM
I would think smuggling in ice would be tougher, especially if it was in slushie form.
 
2014-01-17 07:28:24 AM
Two girls were looking for a buzz at the prison where my sister is staying so they boiled down some mushrooms they found in the yard and drank the water.  They were sent to the hospital when they started foaming at the mouth.
 
2014-01-17 07:32:44 AM
Mmmmm.... Ass tobacco.
 
2014-01-17 07:54:02 AM

ransack.: RyanC: Why would you try to stop marijuana?  Wouldn't stoned prisoners be a whole lot.... mellower?

Because prison is for punishment and if you can sit around and smoke and watch tv then that isn't much of a punishment


www.publicsafety.gc.ca
* Per 100,000 population
* Only covers 1995 - 1999 (current rates are higher)

Norweigan Prison...
static-secure.guim.co.uk

US Prison...
www.iresist.org

So what do you prefer? Do you want your pound of flesh and recidivism, or do you want rehabilitation? You can't have both.

Punitive vs Rehabilitative
 
2014-01-17 07:57:52 AM

ransack.: fusillade762: log_jammin: phillydrifter: Mark Ratner: I sometimes put ice in my soup if its too hot to eat right away. And then I'll have a smoke afterwards. I enjoy my freedom.

fusillade762: How do you smuggle ice without it melting?

'Ice' is slang for 'meth.'

I've done my fair share of the stuff in the past and hung around with plenty of other people who've done it. I've never heard ANYONE call meth "ice". "Crystal", "speed", sometimes "crank" for the really cheap, yellowish crap, but never "ice". Must be an Aussie thing.

They call it that in Hawaii, too, but it's a term reserved for high-purity southeast-Asia produced meth that actually does resemble little transparent glass shards, which is the most common type found in Hawaii because meth labs are pretty much non-existent there


you know... that's the damn problem with drugs like Meth.... why can't we produce these products here in the US with the same quality and keep business in America alive...

/Amerikuh, F*ck yeah
 
2014-01-17 08:07:19 AM
LOL. Yeah, the "inmates" are sneaking contraband into the jail. That's hilarious.
 
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