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2014-01-16 08:21:08 PM
And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.
 
2014-01-16 08:42:06 PM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-16 08:47:18 PM
Dammit, forgot to add the quote.

"Let's face it, we need to be forthright, gracious, and magnanimous and say the Russian French guys just beat the pants off us."
 
2014-01-16 08:56:19 PM
Huh, I would've never expected France to end up on top for whiskey.  For wine or cognac, sure, but I've never thought of France as whiskey country.  Now I'm wondering if there are any really good French whiskeys.
 
2014-01-16 08:59:35 PM
*le hic*
 
2014-01-16 09:09:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: *le hic*


nice
 
2014-01-16 09:14:33 PM
What about bourbon?
 
2014-01-16 10:25:17 PM
Whiskey isn't made with corn!
 
2014-01-16 10:25:19 PM
Jeff Hanneman's death last year threw the numbers.
 
2014-01-16 11:08:59 PM

b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!


Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.
 
2014-01-16 11:10:53 PM
I wonder if they are including things like Calvados as whiskey.
 
2014-01-16 11:35:50 PM
OK, but whose whiskey are they drinking?

I mean, America drinks a lot of whiskey, but we also drink a lot of gin, vodka, brandy, thousands of different kinds of beer, and tequila on one day near the beginning of May.
 
2014-01-16 11:37:58 PM
I figured the Japanese would have scored higher.  For a relaxing time, don't they make it Suntory Time?
 
2014-01-16 11:41:08 PM
In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.
 
2014-01-16 11:44:23 PM

Rapmaster2000: I figured the Japanese would have scored higher.  For a relaxing time, don't they make it Suntory Time?


Fun fact: Suntory just bought Jim Beam.
 
2014-01-16 11:46:23 PM

o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.


yep, but are there west Asians?
 
2014-01-16 11:49:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Huh, I would've never expected France to end up on top for whiskey.  For wine or cognac, sure, but I've never thought of France as whiskey country.  Now I'm wondering if there are any really good French whiskeys.


Same here. But I guess it kind of makes sense what with Bourbon Street, The French Quarter, etc...
 
2014-01-16 11:49:35 PM

fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.


It must be, as liquor licenses (to purchase alcohol) are only given to non-muslims in that country.

Or it could just be rich people buy a lotta duty free liquor in their airports. Drugs are certainly dangerous to possess there.

I will say Dubai was a surreal layover, i felt an urge to drink.

If i were a poor migrant with no company of women, id probably drink a lot too.
 
2014-01-16 11:51:21 PM

Mark Ratner: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

yep, but are there west Asians?


Yes (the "near east"), but they're mostly muslim. Not big drinkers.
 
2014-01-16 11:51:21 PM

Rapmaster2000: I figured the Japanese would have scored higher.  For a relaxing time, don't they make it Suntory Time?


A Japanese company just purchased Jim Beam which owns Makers Mark

//drtfa
 
2014-01-16 11:52:45 PM
I'd drink whiskey instead of Americans, too
 
2014-01-16 11:53:58 PM

Mark Ratner: Rapmaster2000: I figured the Japanese would have scored higher.  For a relaxing time, don't they make it Suntory Time?

Fun fact: Suntory just bought Jim Beam.


Dam beat me to it...lol farking phone app.
 
2014-01-16 11:54:15 PM
Ireland comes in 8th?

What? Did they switch to wine coolers?
 
2014-01-16 11:54:27 PM

b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!


Or cheese!

Or white fabrics!
 
2014-01-16 11:54:32 PM

o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.


I just hope they don't screw with Booker's, that's my favorite bourbon.
 
2014-01-16 11:54:38 PM

Mark Ratner: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

yep, but are there west Asians?


Yep. We're at war with them.
 
2014-01-16 11:57:27 PM

TuteTibiImperes: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

I just hope they don't screw with Booker's, that's my favorite bourbon.


Have you tried Eagle Rare?  A friend/bourbon hound hoardes the 17 year by the case.
 
2014-01-16 11:59:37 PM

Mark Ratner: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

yep, but are there west Asians?


You could consider India, Pakistan, Nepal, and the various Soviet breakaway *istans to be West Asia.

Also, from the second page of the link, the Indians apparently really like whiskey.

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2014-01-17 12:00:57 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Huh, I would've never expected France to end up on top for whiskey.  For wine or cognac, sure, but I've never thought of France as whiskey country.  Now I'm wondering if there are any really good French whiskeys.


Not sure if it includes cognac, but i heard somewhere Wisconsin drinks more brandy than France.
 
2014-01-17 12:01:23 AM

Dr Jack Badofsky: TuteTibiImperes: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

I just hope they don't screw with Booker's, that's my favorite bourbon.

Have you tried Eagle Rare?  A friend/bourbon hound hoardes the 17 year by the case.


I haven't, but I'd certainly give it a shot.
 
2014-01-17 12:03:37 AM

o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.


SLOBODAN: Rapmaster2000: I figured the Japanese would have scored higher.  For a relaxing time, don't they make it Suntory Time?

A Japanese company just purchased Jim Beam which owns Makers Mark

//drtfa


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-17 12:03:48 AM

Cyno01: TuteTibiImperes: Huh, I would've never expected France to end up on top for whiskey.  For wine or cognac, sure, but I've never thought of France as whiskey country.  Now I'm wondering if there are any really good French whiskeys.

Not sure if it includes cognac, but i heard somewhere Wisconsin drinks more brandy than France.


Yup. USA would rank higher but Wisconsinites drink brandy, not whiskey, which skews the results.
 
2014-01-17 12:04:52 AM

jaylectricity: OK, but whose whiskey are they drinking?

I mean, America drinks a lot of whiskey, but we also drink a lot of gin, vodka, brandy, thousands of different kinds of beer, and tequila on one day near the beginning of May.


The expanded article was interesting.  Australians drink more American whiskey, than Americans.
 
2014-01-17 12:05:20 AM
Surrender?  I was not aware that Jim Beam was French.
 
2014-01-17 12:05:51 AM

o'really: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

It must be, as liquor licenses (to purchase alcohol) are only given to non-muslims in that country.

Or it could just be rich people buy a lotta duty free liquor in their airports. Drugs are certainly dangerous to possess there.

I will say Dubai was a surreal layover, i felt an urge to drink.

If i were a poor migrant with no company of women, id probably drink a lot too.


There was an interesting article in the latest National Geographic. Their access to consumer goods is somewhat limited by their lack of rights and the bulk of their incomes being transferred back home. They work like slaves so their families can go to college and give their homes stone walls.
 
2014-01-17 12:07:51 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Mark Ratner: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

yep, but are there west Asians?

You could consider India, Pakistan, Nepal, and the various Soviet breakaway *istans to be West Asia.

Also, from the second page of the link, the Indians apparently really like whiskey.


I'm Being super pedantic, but india is generally referred to as south Asia.

And the -istans are are generally called "central asia".

I'd consider west asia as the middle eastern nations, but I'm no geographer.
 
2014-01-17 12:09:59 AM
And we drink way more cognac than they do. I guess they fail as French people
 
2014-01-17 12:10:00 AM

BigNumber12: Mark Ratner: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

yep, but are there west Asians?

Yep. We're at war with them.


Because they don't drink whiskey? Nuke 'em from orbit.

*sips whiskey*
/HawgWild style
 
2014-01-17 12:10:51 AM

rebelyell2006: o'really: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

It must be, as liquor licenses (to purchase alcohol) are only given to non-muslims in that country.

Or it could just be rich people buy a lotta duty free liquor in their airports. Drugs are certainly dangerous to possess there.

I will say Dubai was a surreal layover, i felt an urge to drink.

If i were a poor migrant with no company of women, id probably drink a lot too.

There was an interesting article in the latest National Geographic. Their access to consumer goods is somewhat limited by their lack of rights and the bulk of their incomes being transferred back home. They work like slaves so their families can go to college and give their homes stone walls.


I've heard it's pretty awful for migrant workers over there. Sucks to be born in a poor country :(
 
2014-01-17 12:10:57 AM
scotchnoob.com
I'm doing my part.  Keep up damnit!
 
2014-01-17 12:11:40 AM

catmandu: Cyno01: TuteTibiImperes: Huh, I would've never expected France to end up on top for whiskey.  For wine or cognac, sure, but I've never thought of France as whiskey country.  Now I'm wondering if there are any really good French whiskeys.

Not sure if it includes cognac, but i heard somewhere Wisconsin drinks more brandy than France.

Yup. USA would rank higher but Wisconsinites drink brandy, not whiskey, which skews the results.


Im doing my part for both but im only one man!

i.imgur.com

/hard to tell but the whiskeys almost gone too
//I need to go to the liquor store tomorrow...
 
2014-01-17 12:12:12 AM
What time period is 2.15 liters consumed in? Because I've done that in the past week.
 
2014-01-17 12:14:53 AM
And die behind the wheel
 
2014-01-17 12:18:46 AM

rebelyell2006: o'really: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

It must be, as liquor licenses (to purchase alcohol) are only given to non-muslims in that country.

Or it could just be rich people buy a lotta duty free liquor in their airports. Drugs are certainly dangerous to possess there.

I will say Dubai was a surreal layover, i felt an urge to drink.

If i were a poor migrant with no company of women, id probably drink a lot too.

There was an interesting article in the latest National Geographic. Their access to consumer goods is somewhat limited by their lack of rights and the bulk of their incomes being transferred back home. They work like slaves so their families can go to college and give their homes stone walls.


That's where I got the 90% figure. I had no idea until I read that article.
 
2014-01-17 12:25:07 AM

fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.


I thought the UAE was a dry country?
 
2014-01-17 12:26:15 AM
Is that per capita number annual? Because it matches my weekly consumption pretty closely.
 
2014-01-17 12:30:08 AM

Mark Ratner: Rapmaster2000: I figured the Japanese would have scored higher.  For a relaxing time, don't they make it Suntory Time?

Fun fact: Suntory just bought Jim Beam.


not a fun fact--more like a sad fact
 
2014-01-17 12:33:39 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Dr Jack Badofsky: TuteTibiImperes: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

I just hope they don't screw with Booker's, that's my favorite bourbon.

Have you tried Eagle Rare?  A friend/bourbon hound hoardes the 17 year by the case.

I haven't, but I'd certainly give it a shot.


He's tried a lot of them, and ER is his favorite.  So far.  I don't think it's produced in large numbers, so if you want to try it, better get it when you can.  The closer you're to KY / TN are, the better your chances are to score it if I'm correct.
 
2014-01-17 12:36:16 AM

johndalek: Mark Ratner: Rapmaster2000: I figured the Japanese would have scored higher.  For a relaxing time, don't they make it Suntory Time?

Fun fact: Suntory just bought Jim Beam.

not a fun fact--more like a sad fact


It is sad. And my hometown beer is owned by InBev now, too.
 
2014-01-17 12:37:29 AM

ransack.: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

I thought the UAE was a dry country?


Evidently not.
 
2014-01-17 12:41:11 AM
The rest of you are going to have to step up your game...  I'm already beating the French, but I can't bring up our national average all on my own.

Even though I do have two backup livers.
 
2014-01-17 12:51:22 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I guess it kind of makes sense what with Bourbon Street, The French Quarter, etc...


Bourbon the street predates Bourbon the whiskey by a good many years; Bourbon the family predates both; perhaps that's the joke.
 
2014-01-17 12:52:17 AM
Challenge accepted!!!
 
2014-01-17 12:53:50 AM
relevant

Beam Investor Sues to Block $16 Billion Sale to Suntory
By Andrew Harris
January 16, 2014 6:47 PM EST

A Beam Inc. (BEAM) investor sued to block Suntory Holdings Ltd.'s $16 billion takeover of the company, a plan that would create the world's third-largest premium spirits company.
 
2014-01-17 12:57:22 AM

b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!


I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.


In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.
 
2014-01-17 01:05:05 AM
ransack.:
I thought the UAE was a dry country?

No, nooooo.... nope....

Dubai is pretty much the Vegas of the Middle East. Expats working in places like Baghdad and Kabul vacation there on leave, locals from all over the Middle East go there to blow off steam on their holidays.

From what I understand, anyways.
 
2014-01-17 01:08:07 AM
Hold the thread!

I think the real story here is that Uruguay is at #2, in front of the US.

WTF!?

/per capita, but still!
//"per still" not a pun!

FDR Jones: b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!

I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.

In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.


I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.
 
2014-01-17 01:11:49 AM

TinyFist: ransack.:
I thought the UAE was a dry country?

No, nooooo.... nope....

Dubai is pretty much the Vegas of the Middle East. Expats working in places like Baghdad and Kabul vacation there on leave, locals from all over the Middle East go there to blow off steam on their holidays.

From what I understand, anyways.


I've never been to the ME, but from what I've heard from others:

1. NEVER try to bring alcohol into the country. Customs will crack down like the fist of a angry God.

2. Please feel free to buy it from one of the many bars in the touristy parts, namely the hotel you are staying at.
 
2014-01-17 01:13:05 AM
I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?
 
2014-01-17 01:17:01 AM

ransack.: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

I thought the UAE was a dry country?


It's several countries, they have varying levels of tolerance for legal drinking.

Like i mentioned, alcohol is easy to get in the airport, and i don't think most of the emirates care about foreigners drinking, as long as they are not visibly drunk in public, which is apparently illegal.

There's a lotta tourism in Dubai, so i doubt they want to restrict the income from partying vacationers.
 
2014-01-17 01:18:59 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.


I don't get it.

I thought he was being a scotch snob, saying that true whisk(e)y is not made from corn. That's why I said he must mean "whisky" because that is how they spell it in Scotland, where it is made from malted barley.

Whiskey in the US, specifically bourbon, is most certainly made with corn.

What am I missing here?
 
2014-01-17 01:20:46 AM

Sid_6.7: Hold the thread!

I think the real story here is that Uruguay is at #2, in front of the US.

WTF!?

/per capita, but still!
//"per still" not a pun!

FDR Jones: b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!

I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.

In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.

I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.


What with legal pot, and their alcohol consumption, apparently uruguay is where the party's at.
 
2014-01-17 01:22:34 AM

Sid_6.7: TinyFist:

1. NEVER try to bring alcohol into the country. Customs will crack down like the fist of a angry God.

2. Please feel free to buy it from one of the many bars in the touristy parts, namely the hotel you are staying at.


Actually, there IS a caveat, from what I understand... I've only been to the UAE a few times when I was in the Navy a long, long time ago. But hypothetically a lot of expats working in the area enjoy vacationing in Dubai because, like I said, it's basically the ME version of Vegas.

But some hypothetical dumbass I may or may not know went during Ramadan and there was NOTHING happening anywhere. This hypothetical person spent a boring week doing nothing. Hypothetically.
 
2014-01-17 01:23:02 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


No. All whiskey not sold at barrel proof is diluted with water.

If you're tasting fine whiskeys, a high alcohol content can burn out your nose and you can't taste the subtler flavors. If you are nosing whiskey, just wave the glass a few inches below your nose, don't stick your nose in the glass like a wine drinker.
 
2014-01-17 01:23:53 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


Adding a drop or three of water helps bring out the flavour more. There's some science behind it.
 
2014-01-17 01:25:56 AM
Is butt chugging whiskey a faux pas?
 
2014-01-17 01:27:28 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.


"Whiskey" in the U.S. is almost always made with corn. Bourbon is more than half corn by rule. Rye usually contains corn in addition to rye. Even Canadian "whisky" is mostly corn.
 
2014-01-17 01:30:27 AM
Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?

I should mention that I do like the sting of the lips and the concentration of flavors that you get with a nice high proof whiskey like Booker's. Also, I usually don't bother watering down or icing something that is already at 80 proof unless I want to drink it quickly.
 
2014-01-17 01:34:43 AM

Mark Ratner: Is butt chugging whiskey a faux pas?


There's actually a fine art to butt chugging fine whiskey.

You have to use a properly shaped funnel so the whiskey you're ass chugging hits the proper notes in the proper spots.

And you have to pair it properly with cheeses, grapes, etc. But you have to dine on that stuff like 8 hours prior.
 
2014-01-17 01:36:13 AM

TinyFist: Mark Ratner: Is butt chugging whiskey a faux pas?

There's actually a fine art to butt chugging fine whiskey.

You have to use a properly shaped funnel so the whiskey you're ass chugging hits the proper notes in the proper spots.

And you have to pair it properly with cheeses, grapes, etc. But you have to dine on that stuff like 8 hours prior.


Lmao!!!
 
2014-01-17 01:37:39 AM

NewportBarGuy: What about bourbon?



Came here to say this. Often marketed as "Bourbon whiskey" in Australia. Not sure of the rest of the world.

DNRTFA
DNRAT comments
 
2014-01-17 01:39:22 AM

Big Ramifications: NewportBarGuy: What about bourbon?

Came here to say this. Often marketed as "Bourbon whiskey" in Australia. Not sure of the rest of the world.

DNRTFA
DNRAT comments

~

Darn it. Mainly came here to say "came here to say that bourbon sounds French."
 
2014-01-17 01:48:01 AM

FDR Jones: Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?

I should mention that I do like the sting of the lips and the concentration of flavors that you get with a nice high proof whiskey like Booker's. Also, I usually don't bother watering down or icing something that is already at 80 proof unless I want to drink it quickly.


Yeah that's my reason for watering it down too. It lets you take it at a good pace while giving you some padding in there.
 
2014-01-17 01:58:36 AM
For those of you wondering how the US could not be #1, you have to remember that whiskey consumption here dropped dramatically in the 70s and 80s. Jack, Jim, maybe Johnnie, and maybe Seagrams were the only whiskeys available in most places. Even the rise of Jameson and Maker's Mark is relatively recent. Several American distilleries during this time survived only by exporting to Japan, and to a lesser extent, Europe. Bourbon was never thought of as a potentially premium spirit, and the behemoth that is premium vodka completely took over the American drinking landscape. The French have extraordinarily good taste in alcohol, so I'm not surprised by this at all.
 
2014-01-17 02:02:39 AM

NobleHam: Sid_6.7: I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.

"Whiskey" in the U.S. is almost always made with corn. Bourbon is more than half corn by rule. Rye usually contains corn in addition to rye. Even Canadian "whisky" is mostly corn.


Yes, yes, point being, kid, that American "whisky", including Bourbon, almost invariably contains corn. Let's face it: the two main menu items in early America were maize and pork, and distilling pork ain't easy, not that I doubt it was tried. Two main reasons American cuisine was crap: it was all pigs and maize.

Whiskey, with an "e", typically refers to the Irish product, which almost certainly contains no maize.
 
2014-01-17 02:06:52 AM

FDR Jones: For those of you wondering how the US could not be #1, you have to remember that whiskey consumption here dropped dramatically in the 70s and 80s. Jack, Jim, maybe Johnnie, and maybe Seagrams were the only whiskeys available in most places. Even the rise of Jameson and Maker's Mark is relatively recent. Several American distilleries during this time survived only by exporting to Japan, and to a lesser extent, Europe. Bourbon was never thought of as a potentially premium spirit, and the behemoth that is premium vodka completely took over the American drinking landscape. The French have extraordinarily good taste in alcohol, so I'm not surprised by this at all.


The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's. If you can get it and haven't had it, you should.

It is inferior to some of the highest quality Polish potato vodaks I have tried, but in it's price point it is vastly superior, period.

Normally I would be resistant to the thing simply because it is from Creationist America Texas, but it really is good.
 
2014-01-17 02:21:13 AM

Sid_6.7: The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's.


I can explain that. It is made from rye in pot stills; it's rather like unaged rye whiskey distilled to a high proof. Most vodkas are made from less flavorful things such as rice and potatoes and distilled in continuous column stills, which are designed to impart very little besides alcohol into the distillate.
 
2014-01-17 02:30:57 AM
Sid_6.7: The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's.

I can explain that. It is made from rye in pot stills; it's rather like unaged rye whiskey distilled to a high proof. Most vodkas are made from less flavorful things such as rice and potatoes and distilled in continuous column stills, which are designed to impart very little besides alcohol into the distillate.


As a point of information, whiskey is usually distilled just twice (Irish, thrice), whereas they distill the utter shiat out of vodka. That is why you can't just barrel-age vodka and get anything good.
 
2014-01-17 02:35:16 AM

FDR Jones: Sid_6.7: The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's.

I can explain that. It is made from rye in pot stills; it's rather like unaged rye whiskey distilled to a high proof. Most vodkas are made from less flavorful things such as rice and potatoes and distilled in continuous column stills, which are designed to impart very little besides alcohol into the distillate.

As a point of information, whiskey is usually distilled just twice (Irish, thrice), whereas they distill the utter shiat out of vodka. That is why you can't just barrel-age vodka and get anything good.


I now have you favorited as an expert on hard liquor. Is it a hobby, or what? Thanks for the info!
 
2014-01-17 02:43:34 AM
I guess ya'll are slackers, cos I'm doing my part.
 
2014-01-17 02:50:17 AM

Sid_6.7: Whiskey, with an "e", typically refers to the Irish product, which almost certainly contains no maize.


I see. The issue here seems to be that you're mistaken about terminology. Whiskey generally refers to either Irish or American whiskey, whisky refers to Scotch or Canadian. In the U.S. whiskey means Bourbon or "other American" unless prefaced with "Irish." The U.S. is not one of the places where the whisky spelling is typical.
 
2014-01-17 02:50:21 AM

Mark Ratner: I now have you favorited as an expert on hard liquor. Is it a hobby, or what? Thanks for the info!


Former bartender. /tips cap
 
2014-01-17 03:04:56 AM
I don't believe it... figure a bunch of people doing the counting suddenly wanted some surprise buttsex, the French simply surrendered and got a bunch of pity votes for being so obliging (and walking so very awkward and funny for a few days), thus putting them up in 1st Place.
No other logical explanation.
 
2014-01-17 03:09:59 AM

Sid_6.7: Whiskey, with an "e", typically refers to the Irish product, which almost certainly contains no maize.


Hey, don't make us apologize for our ethnocentricity.
 
2014-01-17 03:11:49 AM

kellyclan: I guess ya'll are slackers, cos I'm doing my part.


So am I but I'm Canadian.

/Crown Royal
 
2014-01-17 03:13:54 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


Not if you do it by pouring room-temperature whiskey over ice cubes and swishing it around and waiting a couple of minutes. That's the proper way to drink a good whiskey.
 
2014-01-17 03:34:25 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Dr Jack Badofsky: TuteTibiImperes: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

I just hope they don't screw with Booker's, that's my favorite bourbon.

Have you tried Eagle Rare?  A friend/bourbon hound hoardes the 17 year by the case.

I haven't, but I'd certainly give it a shot.


If you like Booker's, eagle rare 17 will probably taste pretty limp in comparison. I love 'em both, but they are not comparable. Booker's is more "ooomph", ER17 is more "smooooth"
 
2014-01-17 03:38:18 AM

ransack.: Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?

Not if you do it by pouring room-temperature whiskey over ice cubes and swishing it around and waiting a couple of minutes. That's the proper way to drink a good whiskey.


That might be the proper way to drink middling whiskey when it's hot out (and I do). The problem with ice and good whiskey is that A: cooling the whiskey will only deaden the flavors and B: you will be drinking a stronger drink for the first few sips and a much weaker one towards the end unless you have big ice cubes with relatively little surface area. Water is better if you prefer to drink your whiskey at a constant proof.
 
2014-01-17 03:38:23 AM

Sid_6.7: TinyFist: ransack.:
I thought the UAE was a dry country?

No, nooooo.... nope....

Dubai is pretty much the Vegas of the Middle East. Expats working in places like Baghdad and Kabul vacation there on leave, locals from all over the Middle East go there to blow off steam on their holidays.

From what I understand, anyways.

I've never been to the ME, but from what I've heard from others:

1. NEVER try to bring alcohol into the country. Customs will crack down like the fist of a angry God.

2. Please feel free to buy it from one of the many bars in the touristy parts, namely the hotel you are staying at.


Based on my experience circa 1989ish, Bahrain was also a happening place. If you wanted a nice steak dinner, play darts, and rock music you went to Hunters Lodge. If you wanted Mexican food, line dancing, and country music you went to Tylos. So long as you behaved yourself, the local police would leave you alone. If you got trashed and decide to take the Ambassadors car for a joyride, that's an entirely different story. Especially when the Ambassador is the one you need to be nice to to get your stupid ass out of jail.

As to your point 1 above, you should also add NO PORN! This includes things like swimsuit issues. And many places will consider this even more evil than alcohol. Pretty much, if you follow a few simple rules (like don't be a dickhead), you should be ok. If you go over there with the attitude of "Fark You, I'm American!!111" then you won't last too long.

/drunk Aussies tend to be cool and funny
//drunk Brits tend to be worse then the Americans
///drunk Saudis were worse than the Brits and Americans combined
////and the jetties look like they are made out of giant cat kibble
 
2014-01-17 03:45:25 AM

bud jones: If you like Booker's, eagle rare 17 will probably taste pretty limp in comparison. I love 'em both, but they are not comparable. Booker's is more "ooomph", ER17 is more "smooooth"


This is true. If you were going to choose an analogue to Booker's in the Buffalo Trace family, it would have to be George Stagg, which is made using the same mash bill as Eagle Rare, but bottled at a much higher proof.
 
2014-01-17 03:58:19 AM

FDR Jones: Mark Ratner: I now have you favorited as an expert on hard liquor. Is it a hobby, or what? Thanks for the info!

Former bartender. /tips cap


Is it possible to buy a really cheap vodka (Popov), and use coffee filters to make it taste better?
 
2014-01-17 03:59:29 AM
moonshine is now the superior form of whiskey
 
2014-01-17 04:11:42 AM

ransack.: Not if you do it by pouring room-temperature whiskey over ice cubes and swishing it around and waiting a couple of minutes. That's the proper way to drink a good whiskey.


If the taste is too strong for you, you can reduce it by chilling the drink or diluting it. But I'd remove the modifier "good" in that case---chilling and diluting is for things which taste BAD, right?
 
2014-01-17 04:17:06 AM

Mark Ratner: Is it possible to buy a really cheap vodka (Popov), and use coffee filters to make it taste better?


I really doubt it, but I have never tried it myself. My theory about cheap vodka is that it is made with inferior/unsanitary materials and equipment, in which case, garbage in, garbage out. Or, they leave too much of the heads and tails in because it gives them a higher yield. When you distill a fermented mash, the first stuff that comes off the still is called the heads and the last is called the tails. The heads are the molecules with the lowest boiling point and the tails, the highest. There are toxic and vile things on both ends, which is why moonshine often made people go blind; the distillers didn't know it was unsafe to drink the heads and the tails. Anyway, the transition from heads to "hearts" (the good stuff) to tails, is a gradual one and the distiller must make his or her "cuts" in the right place. It's possible to cut out too much, which leaves you with a final spirit that lacks complexity. Anyway, this all happens at the molecular level, so I doubt a coffee filter would do you much good. Better to build your own still and cut out more of the heads and tails.
 
2014-01-17 05:05:49 AM

ransack.: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

I thought the UAE was a dry country?


Correct. The whole country is just one big desert.
 
2014-01-17 05:08:30 AM
I should add that almost all finished spirits are filtered before bottling. Jack Daniel's famously runs it's distillate through 10 feet of sugar maple charcoal, a process which takes days. So, whether or not you think a spirit is improved by filtering may depend on your opinion of Jack Daniel's. Gentleman Jack is run through twice, once before and once after barreling.

There are whiskies out there that say "non-chill filtered" on the label and they are just as good, and sometimes better, than their filtered cousins.
 
2014-01-17 05:18:34 AM
Booker's is not filtered at all, although for bourbon I suppose you could say that the spirit moving in and out of the charred inside of the barrel as the temperature changes is a form of filtration.
 
2014-01-17 06:10:27 AM

Raktastic: And die behind the wheel


Hi Deacon
 
2014-01-17 06:29:23 AM

o'really: Sid_6.7: Hold the thread!

I think the real story here is that Uruguay is at #2, in front of the US.

WTF!?

/per capita, but still!
//"per still" not a pun!

FDR Jones: b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!

I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.

In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.

I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.

What with legal pot, and their alcohol consumption, apparently uruguay is where the party's at.


And having seen the women there, I would agree.
 
2014-01-17 06:38:11 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


Depends.  If you're trying to show how macho you are, are drinking bad whiskey you just want to get down, or just want to getted poopy faced drunk fast, eyup.

If you actually want to taste the whiskey, and get the nuances of the flavor, nope.  A little water takes the burn out of it, and releases a lot of the complex flavors.

Note that Scotch drinkers get all uptight about watering their whiskey.  With a flavor like that, I can see why they don't want to think about it.
 
2014-01-17 07:11:01 AM

bud jones: TuteTibiImperes: Dr Jack Badofsky: TuteTibiImperes: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

I just hope they don't screw with Booker's, that's my favorite bourbon.

Have you tried Eagle Rare?  A friend/bourbon hound hoardes the 17 year by the case.

I haven't, but I'd certainly give it a shot.

If you like Booker's, eagle rare 17 will probably taste pretty limp in comparison. I love 'em both, but they are not comparable. Booker's is more "ooomph", ER17 is more "smooooth"


I like Baker's as well, which is a bit smoother than Booker's.  I've heard a lot of good things about the various Pappy Van Winkle products, but I haven't had the opportunity to try any of them yet.
 
2014-01-17 07:28:41 AM
Its not from a lack of effort on my part. I cant help it most Muricans prefer sex in a canoe beeer
 
2014-01-17 10:25:05 AM

Oldiron_79: Its not from a lack of effort on my part. I cant help it most Muricans prefer sex in a canoe beeer


That seems to be the case in most of the world.  As I get older, I drink less hard liquor.  I prefer red wine and full bodied beers.
 
2014-01-17 10:34:39 AM
Deliciousness.  Fine neat, or in a nice Old Fashioned.  Very approachable, a good whiskey for the beginner.  Sweet, aromatic goodness.


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2014-01-17 10:36:00 AM
Oh yes, and French.
 
2014-01-17 11:21:36 AM

Mark Ratner: FDR Jones: Mark Ratner: I now have you favorited as an expert on hard liquor. Is it a hobby, or what? Thanks for the info!

Former bartender. /tips cap

Is it possible to buy a really cheap vodka (Popov), and use coffee filters to make it taste better?


Not coffee filters, they won't do shait to eliminate the impurities at that level.  Paper filters are meant more for particulates like, well, coffee grounds.  What you can do is run crap vodka through something like a Brita pitcher and improve it, but at the rate you burn through filter cartridges, it would be cheaper just to buy the expensive booze to begin with.
 
2014-01-17 12:15:44 PM
I quit drinking a few years ago (preferred Jim Beam Black Label) because of diabetes and I expected you all to take up the slack.

/I am disappoint
 
2014-01-17 09:48:15 PM

traylor: ransack.: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

I thought the UAE was a dry country?

Correct. The whole country is just one big desert.


~

win.
 
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