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2014-01-17 12:41:11 AM
The rest of you are going to have to step up your game...  I'm already beating the French, but I can't bring up our national average all on my own.

Even though I do have two backup livers.
 
2014-01-17 12:51:22 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I guess it kind of makes sense what with Bourbon Street, The French Quarter, etc...


Bourbon the street predates Bourbon the whiskey by a good many years; Bourbon the family predates both; perhaps that's the joke.
 
2014-01-17 12:52:17 AM
Challenge accepted!!!
 
2014-01-17 12:53:50 AM
relevant

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By Andrew Harris
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2014-01-17 12:57:22 AM

b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!


I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.


In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.
 
2014-01-17 01:05:05 AM
ransack.:
I thought the UAE was a dry country?

No, nooooo.... nope....

Dubai is pretty much the Vegas of the Middle East. Expats working in places like Baghdad and Kabul vacation there on leave, locals from all over the Middle East go there to blow off steam on their holidays.

From what I understand, anyways.
 
2014-01-17 01:08:07 AM
Hold the thread!

I think the real story here is that Uruguay is at #2, in front of the US.

WTF!?

/per capita, but still!
//"per still" not a pun!

FDR Jones: b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!

I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.

In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.


I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.
 
2014-01-17 01:11:49 AM

TinyFist: ransack.:
I thought the UAE was a dry country?

No, nooooo.... nope....

Dubai is pretty much the Vegas of the Middle East. Expats working in places like Baghdad and Kabul vacation there on leave, locals from all over the Middle East go there to blow off steam on their holidays.

From what I understand, anyways.


I've never been to the ME, but from what I've heard from others:

1. NEVER try to bring alcohol into the country. Customs will crack down like the fist of a angry God.

2. Please feel free to buy it from one of the many bars in the touristy parts, namely the hotel you are staying at.
 
2014-01-17 01:13:05 AM
I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?
 
2014-01-17 01:17:01 AM

ransack.: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

I thought the UAE was a dry country?


It's several countries, they have varying levels of tolerance for legal drinking.

Like i mentioned, alcohol is easy to get in the airport, and i don't think most of the emirates care about foreigners drinking, as long as they are not visibly drunk in public, which is apparently illegal.

There's a lotta tourism in Dubai, so i doubt they want to restrict the income from partying vacationers.
 
2014-01-17 01:18:59 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.


I don't get it.

I thought he was being a scotch snob, saying that true whisk(e)y is not made from corn. That's why I said he must mean "whisky" because that is how they spell it in Scotland, where it is made from malted barley.

Whiskey in the US, specifically bourbon, is most certainly made with corn.

What am I missing here?
 
2014-01-17 01:20:46 AM

Sid_6.7: Hold the thread!

I think the real story here is that Uruguay is at #2, in front of the US.

WTF!?

/per capita, but still!
//"per still" not a pun!

FDR Jones: b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!

I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.

In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.

I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.


What with legal pot, and their alcohol consumption, apparently uruguay is where the party's at.
 
2014-01-17 01:22:34 AM

Sid_6.7: TinyFist:

1. NEVER try to bring alcohol into the country. Customs will crack down like the fist of a angry God.

2. Please feel free to buy it from one of the many bars in the touristy parts, namely the hotel you are staying at.


Actually, there IS a caveat, from what I understand... I've only been to the UAE a few times when I was in the Navy a long, long time ago. But hypothetically a lot of expats working in the area enjoy vacationing in Dubai because, like I said, it's basically the ME version of Vegas.

But some hypothetical dumbass I may or may not know went during Ramadan and there was NOTHING happening anywhere. This hypothetical person spent a boring week doing nothing. Hypothetically.
 
2014-01-17 01:23:02 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


No. All whiskey not sold at barrel proof is diluted with water.

If you're tasting fine whiskeys, a high alcohol content can burn out your nose and you can't taste the subtler flavors. If you are nosing whiskey, just wave the glass a few inches below your nose, don't stick your nose in the glass like a wine drinker.
 
2014-01-17 01:23:53 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


Adding a drop or three of water helps bring out the flavour more. There's some science behind it.
 
2014-01-17 01:25:56 AM
Is butt chugging whiskey a faux pas?
 
2014-01-17 01:27:28 AM

Sid_6.7: I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.


"Whiskey" in the U.S. is almost always made with corn. Bourbon is more than half corn by rule. Rye usually contains corn in addition to rye. Even Canadian "whisky" is mostly corn.
 
2014-01-17 01:30:27 AM
Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?

I should mention that I do like the sting of the lips and the concentration of flavors that you get with a nice high proof whiskey like Booker's. Also, I usually don't bother watering down or icing something that is already at 80 proof unless I want to drink it quickly.
 
2014-01-17 01:34:43 AM

Mark Ratner: Is butt chugging whiskey a faux pas?


There's actually a fine art to butt chugging fine whiskey.

You have to use a properly shaped funnel so the whiskey you're ass chugging hits the proper notes in the proper spots.

And you have to pair it properly with cheeses, grapes, etc. But you have to dine on that stuff like 8 hours prior.
 
2014-01-17 01:36:13 AM

TinyFist: Mark Ratner: Is butt chugging whiskey a faux pas?

There's actually a fine art to butt chugging fine whiskey.

You have to use a properly shaped funnel so the whiskey you're ass chugging hits the proper notes in the proper spots.

And you have to pair it properly with cheeses, grapes, etc. But you have to dine on that stuff like 8 hours prior.


Lmao!!!
 
2014-01-17 01:37:39 AM

NewportBarGuy: What about bourbon?



Came here to say this. Often marketed as "Bourbon whiskey" in Australia. Not sure of the rest of the world.

DNRTFA
DNRAT comments
 
2014-01-17 01:39:22 AM

Big Ramifications: NewportBarGuy: What about bourbon?

Came here to say this. Often marketed as "Bourbon whiskey" in Australia. Not sure of the rest of the world.

DNRTFA
DNRAT comments

~

Darn it. Mainly came here to say "came here to say that bourbon sounds French."
 
2014-01-17 01:48:01 AM

FDR Jones: Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?

I should mention that I do like the sting of the lips and the concentration of flavors that you get with a nice high proof whiskey like Booker's. Also, I usually don't bother watering down or icing something that is already at 80 proof unless I want to drink it quickly.


Yeah that's my reason for watering it down too. It lets you take it at a good pace while giving you some padding in there.
 
2014-01-17 01:58:36 AM
For those of you wondering how the US could not be #1, you have to remember that whiskey consumption here dropped dramatically in the 70s and 80s. Jack, Jim, maybe Johnnie, and maybe Seagrams were the only whiskeys available in most places. Even the rise of Jameson and Maker's Mark is relatively recent. Several American distilleries during this time survived only by exporting to Japan, and to a lesser extent, Europe. Bourbon was never thought of as a potentially premium spirit, and the behemoth that is premium vodka completely took over the American drinking landscape. The French have extraordinarily good taste in alcohol, so I'm not surprised by this at all.
 
2014-01-17 02:02:39 AM

NobleHam: Sid_6.7: I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.

"Whiskey" in the U.S. is almost always made with corn. Bourbon is more than half corn by rule. Rye usually contains corn in addition to rye. Even Canadian "whisky" is mostly corn.


Yes, yes, point being, kid, that American "whisky", including Bourbon, almost invariably contains corn. Let's face it: the two main menu items in early America were maize and pork, and distilling pork ain't easy, not that I doubt it was tried. Two main reasons American cuisine was crap: it was all pigs and maize.

Whiskey, with an "e", typically refers to the Irish product, which almost certainly contains no maize.
 
2014-01-17 02:06:52 AM

FDR Jones: For those of you wondering how the US could not be #1, you have to remember that whiskey consumption here dropped dramatically in the 70s and 80s. Jack, Jim, maybe Johnnie, and maybe Seagrams were the only whiskeys available in most places. Even the rise of Jameson and Maker's Mark is relatively recent. Several American distilleries during this time survived only by exporting to Japan, and to a lesser extent, Europe. Bourbon was never thought of as a potentially premium spirit, and the behemoth that is premium vodka completely took over the American drinking landscape. The French have extraordinarily good taste in alcohol, so I'm not surprised by this at all.


The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's. If you can get it and haven't had it, you should.

It is inferior to some of the highest quality Polish potato vodaks I have tried, but in it's price point it is vastly superior, period.

Normally I would be resistant to the thing simply because it is from Creationist America Texas, but it really is good.
 
2014-01-17 02:21:13 AM

Sid_6.7: The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's.


I can explain that. It is made from rye in pot stills; it's rather like unaged rye whiskey distilled to a high proof. Most vodkas are made from less flavorful things such as rice and potatoes and distilled in continuous column stills, which are designed to impart very little besides alcohol into the distillate.
 
2014-01-17 02:30:57 AM
Sid_6.7: The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's.

I can explain that. It is made from rye in pot stills; it's rather like unaged rye whiskey distilled to a high proof. Most vodkas are made from less flavorful things such as rice and potatoes and distilled in continuous column stills, which are designed to impart very little besides alcohol into the distillate.


As a point of information, whiskey is usually distilled just twice (Irish, thrice), whereas they distill the utter shiat out of vodka. That is why you can't just barrel-age vodka and get anything good.
 
2014-01-17 02:35:16 AM

FDR Jones: Sid_6.7: The amazing thing about vodak is that I love Tito's.

I can explain that. It is made from rye in pot stills; it's rather like unaged rye whiskey distilled to a high proof. Most vodkas are made from less flavorful things such as rice and potatoes and distilled in continuous column stills, which are designed to impart very little besides alcohol into the distillate.

As a point of information, whiskey is usually distilled just twice (Irish, thrice), whereas they distill the utter shiat out of vodka. That is why you can't just barrel-age vodka and get anything good.


I now have you favorited as an expert on hard liquor. Is it a hobby, or what? Thanks for the info!
 
2014-01-17 02:43:34 AM
I guess ya'll are slackers, cos I'm doing my part.
 
2014-01-17 02:50:17 AM

Sid_6.7: Whiskey, with an "e", typically refers to the Irish product, which almost certainly contains no maize.


I see. The issue here seems to be that you're mistaken about terminology. Whiskey generally refers to either Irish or American whiskey, whisky refers to Scotch or Canadian. In the U.S. whiskey means Bourbon or "other American" unless prefaced with "Irish." The U.S. is not one of the places where the whisky spelling is typical.
 
2014-01-17 02:50:21 AM

Mark Ratner: I now have you favorited as an expert on hard liquor. Is it a hobby, or what? Thanks for the info!


Former bartender. /tips cap
 
2014-01-17 03:04:56 AM
I don't believe it... figure a bunch of people doing the counting suddenly wanted some surprise buttsex, the French simply surrendered and got a bunch of pity votes for being so obliging (and walking so very awkward and funny for a few days), thus putting them up in 1st Place.
No other logical explanation.
 
2014-01-17 03:09:59 AM

Sid_6.7: Whiskey, with an "e", typically refers to the Irish product, which almost certainly contains no maize.


Hey, don't make us apologize for our ethnocentricity.
 
2014-01-17 03:11:49 AM

kellyclan: I guess ya'll are slackers, cos I'm doing my part.


So am I but I'm Canadian.

/Crown Royal
 
2014-01-17 03:13:54 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


Not if you do it by pouring room-temperature whiskey over ice cubes and swishing it around and waiting a couple of minutes. That's the proper way to drink a good whiskey.
 
2014-01-17 03:34:25 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Dr Jack Badofsky: TuteTibiImperes: o'really: In my- admittedly limited -experience, the east asians have a strong taste for whiskey, especially american brands. Jim beam just got bought by a Japanese company.

I just hope they don't screw with Booker's, that's my favorite bourbon.

Have you tried Eagle Rare?  A friend/bourbon hound hoardes the 17 year by the case.

I haven't, but I'd certainly give it a shot.


If you like Booker's, eagle rare 17 will probably taste pretty limp in comparison. I love 'em both, but they are not comparable. Booker's is more "ooomph", ER17 is more "smooooth"
 
2014-01-17 03:38:18 AM

ransack.: Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?

Not if you do it by pouring room-temperature whiskey over ice cubes and swishing it around and waiting a couple of minutes. That's the proper way to drink a good whiskey.


That might be the proper way to drink middling whiskey when it's hot out (and I do). The problem with ice and good whiskey is that A: cooling the whiskey will only deaden the flavors and B: you will be drinking a stronger drink for the first few sips and a much weaker one towards the end unless you have big ice cubes with relatively little surface area. Water is better if you prefer to drink your whiskey at a constant proof.
 
2014-01-17 03:38:23 AM

Sid_6.7: TinyFist: ransack.:
I thought the UAE was a dry country?

No, nooooo.... nope....

Dubai is pretty much the Vegas of the Middle East. Expats working in places like Baghdad and Kabul vacation there on leave, locals from all over the Middle East go there to blow off steam on their holidays.

From what I understand, anyways.

I've never been to the ME, but from what I've heard from others:

1. NEVER try to bring alcohol into the country. Customs will crack down like the fist of a angry God.

2. Please feel free to buy it from one of the many bars in the touristy parts, namely the hotel you are staying at.


Based on my experience circa 1989ish, Bahrain was also a happening place. If you wanted a nice steak dinner, play darts, and rock music you went to Hunters Lodge. If you wanted Mexican food, line dancing, and country music you went to Tylos. So long as you behaved yourself, the local police would leave you alone. If you got trashed and decide to take the Ambassadors car for a joyride, that's an entirely different story. Especially when the Ambassador is the one you need to be nice to to get your stupid ass out of jail.

As to your point 1 above, you should also add NO PORN! This includes things like swimsuit issues. And many places will consider this even more evil than alcohol. Pretty much, if you follow a few simple rules (like don't be a dickhead), you should be ok. If you go over there with the attitude of "Fark You, I'm American!!111" then you won't last too long.

/drunk Aussies tend to be cool and funny
//drunk Brits tend to be worse then the Americans
///drunk Saudis were worse than the Brits and Americans combined
////and the jetties look like they are made out of giant cat kibble
 
2014-01-17 03:45:25 AM

bud jones: If you like Booker's, eagle rare 17 will probably taste pretty limp in comparison. I love 'em both, but they are not comparable. Booker's is more "ooomph", ER17 is more "smooooth"


This is true. If you were going to choose an analogue to Booker's in the Buffalo Trace family, it would have to be George Stagg, which is made using the same mash bill as Eagle Rare, but bottled at a much higher proof.
 
2014-01-17 03:58:19 AM

FDR Jones: Mark Ratner: I now have you favorited as an expert on hard liquor. Is it a hobby, or what? Thanks for the info!

Former bartender. /tips cap


Is it possible to buy a really cheap vodka (Popov), and use coffee filters to make it taste better?
 
2014-01-17 03:59:29 AM
moonshine is now the superior form of whiskey
 
2014-01-17 04:11:42 AM

ransack.: Not if you do it by pouring room-temperature whiskey over ice cubes and swishing it around and waiting a couple of minutes. That's the proper way to drink a good whiskey.


If the taste is too strong for you, you can reduce it by chilling the drink or diluting it. But I'd remove the modifier "good" in that case---chilling and diluting is for things which taste BAD, right?
 
2014-01-17 04:17:06 AM

Mark Ratner: Is it possible to buy a really cheap vodka (Popov), and use coffee filters to make it taste better?


I really doubt it, but I have never tried it myself. My theory about cheap vodka is that it is made with inferior/unsanitary materials and equipment, in which case, garbage in, garbage out. Or, they leave too much of the heads and tails in because it gives them a higher yield. When you distill a fermented mash, the first stuff that comes off the still is called the heads and the last is called the tails. The heads are the molecules with the lowest boiling point and the tails, the highest. There are toxic and vile things on both ends, which is why moonshine often made people go blind; the distillers didn't know it was unsafe to drink the heads and the tails. Anyway, the transition from heads to "hearts" (the good stuff) to tails, is a gradual one and the distiller must make his or her "cuts" in the right place. It's possible to cut out too much, which leaves you with a final spirit that lacks complexity. Anyway, this all happens at the molecular level, so I doubt a coffee filter would do you much good. Better to build your own still and cut out more of the heads and tails.
 
2014-01-17 05:05:49 AM

ransack.: fusillade762: And the UAE is sixth? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that almost 90% of their population is from somewhere else.

I thought the UAE was a dry country?


Correct. The whole country is just one big desert.
 
2014-01-17 05:08:30 AM
I should add that almost all finished spirits are filtered before bottling. Jack Daniel's famously runs it's distillate through 10 feet of sugar maple charcoal, a process which takes days. So, whether or not you think a spirit is improved by filtering may depend on your opinion of Jack Daniel's. Gentleman Jack is run through twice, once before and once after barreling.

There are whiskies out there that say "non-chill filtered" on the label and they are just as good, and sometimes better, than their filtered cousins.
 
2014-01-17 05:18:34 AM
Booker's is not filtered at all, although for bourbon I suppose you could say that the spirit moving in and out of the charred inside of the barrel as the temperature changes is a form of filtration.
 
2014-01-17 06:10:27 AM

Raktastic: And die behind the wheel


Hi Deacon
 
2014-01-17 06:29:23 AM

o'really: Sid_6.7: Hold the thread!

I think the real story here is that Uruguay is at #2, in front of the US.

WTF!?

/per capita, but still!
//"per still" not a pun!

FDR Jones: b2theory: Whiskey isn't made with corn!

I think you mean "whisky."


Notabunny: Came here to say that. Maybe they meant rye, which can mean just about anything.

In the US, rye whiskey must be at least 51% rye. The rest must be grain, yeast, water, and wood. Nothing else. While those grains could be "just about anything," in practice they are almost always corn, wheat, and/or malted barley.

I'm fairly certain that he means that whiskey is not made with maize. What "whisky" is made with does not enter into it.

What with legal pot, and their alcohol consumption, apparently uruguay is where the party's at.


And having seen the women there, I would agree.
 
2014-01-17 06:38:11 AM

Fafai: I dilute my Whiskey with water. Is that a faux pas?


Depends.  If you're trying to show how macho you are, are drinking bad whiskey you just want to get down, or just want to getted poopy faced drunk fast, eyup.

If you actually want to taste the whiskey, and get the nuances of the flavor, nope.  A little water takes the burn out of it, and releases a lot of the complex flavors.

Note that Scotch drinkers get all uptight about watering their whiskey.  With a flavor like that, I can see why they don't want to think about it.
 
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