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(El Pais)   Last year Spain became the first country in the world to get most of its electricity from wind. But our drinking water is combustible so we have that going for us   (elpais.com) divider line 100
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2014-01-16 08:17:11 PM
Yea, and look at their economy.  Too much of one thing means too little of others. Going all in is not the best approach.
 
2014-01-16 08:33:52 PM
Yes, I'm confident that the problems in the Spanish economy are entirely related to their efforts at promoting wind energy.
 
2014-01-16 08:49:05 PM
My Grandma switched over to wind energy, and the very next year she got hit by a bus.
 
2014-01-16 09:06:50 PM
Wind energy turned me into a newt.
 
2014-01-16 09:06:52 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Yea, and look at their economy.  Too much of one thing means too little of others. Going all in is not the best approach.


I'm not sure 20.9% is all in.

Especially when nuclear is 20.8%.

which means that whole "most" thing is a little hazy, Submitter.
 
2014-01-16 09:28:18 PM
The wind in Spain blows mainly on the plain?
 
2014-01-16 09:33:07 PM

Pocket Ninja: Yes, I'm confident that the problems in the Spanish economy are entirely related to their efforts at promoting wind energy.


They can't get a lot of wind energy from the plains because it's always raining there.
 
2014-01-16 09:35:54 PM
I'm sure the Germans are thrilled to be subsidizing Spain's naive attempt to run a first world country on 13th century technology.  No wonder the EU is destined for the same fate as Chris Christie.  They're both bloated, freedom-endangering political mistakes well past their prime.
 
2014-01-16 09:40:05 PM

dugitman: Wind energy turned me into a newt.


A newt?
 
2014-01-16 09:42:02 PM
The bonus is that they can feed the bird corpses to the landowner so he doesn't go hungry
 
2014-01-16 10:10:37 PM

Bondith: dugitman: Wind energy turned me into a newt.

A newt?


He got better.
 
2014-01-16 10:34:07 PM
How Quixotic.
 
2014-01-16 10:34:42 PM
This thread is dildoes, and it's only eleven posts old.
 
2014-01-16 10:36:15 PM
Headline: Last year Spain became the first country in the world to get most of its electricity from wind. 

Article: Citing figures from the electricity grid operator Red Eléctrica de España (REE), wind power in 2013 covered 20.9 percent of total demand

C'mon subby, it's right there.
 
2014-01-16 10:37:59 PM

nickdaisy: 13th century technology.


Humanity figured out how to burn stuff in what century? Going to bet it was long before we figured out windmills.
 
2014-01-16 10:38:28 PM
We could power Minneapolis by harnessing the power of Ricky Rubio's air balls.
 
2014-01-16 10:41:25 PM
"Que están tomando nuestros trabajos!!!!!

/They took our jerbs!!!
//Rable rable rable!!!
///took ur jerbs!!!
 
2014-01-16 10:43:19 PM

TeamEd: Headline: Last year Spain became the first country in the world to get most of its more electricity from wind than any other source


FTFH.  But yeah, "most" would make me believe that they get 50+%, not 20.9%


Back to the article... they're going to need to start installing some gravity batteries on their grid in order to deal with excess generation from their wind farms, else risk destabilizing their grid.
 
2014-01-16 10:45:48 PM
Natural gas is just another kind of wind. A kind that you set on fire.
 
2014-01-16 10:49:11 PM

AcademGreen: The whole water and gas thing isn't a bug, it's a feature.  Think of the infrastructure costs saved by companies if gas and water could travel in one pipe.  Sure, the consumer could accidentally blow themselves up taking a bath and none of the gas appliances would work, but that could be prevented if everyone were required to buy expensive separators in each house.  This would only lead to more jobs!  It's a win-win situation, subby.


Almost Heaven, West Virginia, they say.
 
2014-01-16 10:49:15 PM
Wind power kicked my dog.
 
2014-01-16 10:49:23 PM

Dinjiin: TeamEd: Headline: Last year Spain became the first country in the world to get most of its more electricity from wind than any other source

FTFH.  But yeah, "most" would make me believe that they get 50+%, not 20.9%


Back to the article... they're going to need to start installing some gravity batteries on their grid in order to deal with excess generation from their wind farms, else risk destabilizing their grid.


Well they could do what Audi did.

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/07/08/audi-opens-renewable-energy-e-g as -plant-in-germany/

Just use the power to electrolyze water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.  That gives you a chemical 'battery' or effectively energy storage.  A simple chemical reaction combines it with CO2 to form methane and the resultant 'natural gas' is simply pumped into the natural gas lines or stored on site.

Really clever and simple.  Who knows how expensive it is.  In principle it has a very high efficiency.
 
2014-01-16 10:52:45 PM
"Wind power was the main source of energy in Spain last year for the first time ever and also for the first time ever in any country, according to the industry association AEE."

Wind was the main source of energy for the first time ever in any country? Early Modern Netherlands laughs at that assertion.

/Then again, the Dutch were ruled by the Spanish.
 
2014-01-16 10:53:18 PM
Interestingly, the US National Renewable Energy Labs recently did a study on how to get the US grid to handle up to 80% renewable energy by 2050. It has a bunch of interesting animations of power flow and hourly operations too.

http://www.nrel.gov/analysis/re_futures/
 
2014-01-16 10:54:22 PM

TeamEd: Headline: Last year Spain became the first country in the world to get most of its electricity from wind. 

Article: Citing figures from the electricity grid operator Red Eléctrica de España (REE), wind power in 2013 covered 20.9 percent of total demand

C'mon subby, it's right there.


Subby sounds like he's written police statements before.
 
2014-01-16 10:56:45 PM
 
2014-01-16 10:57:57 PM
 
2014-01-16 10:59:09 PM
When geography allows for it, take advantage. 

Isn't Spain super broke right now? Maybe easier to use renewables with less people in country.
 
2014-01-16 11:00:41 PM
Its all the beans they eat...
 
2014-01-16 11:00:57 PM
IIRC, the United Kingdom now gets over 10% of its power from wind, which is where Denmark was some years ago. As for the US, nil desperandum, T. Boone Pickens, the Texas oil billionnaire, is investing heavily in wind. Like Warren Buffet he is a pretty slick investor who pursues long term value.

There's a lot of wind power potential in the West and Mountain regions, and also a lot of geothermal power potential. The wind can be used to pump water (its main function in the 1800s) and so the two clean power sources have synergy. Wind could also be used to fill reservoirs for hydro-electric generation. The way some of these are emptying would make this worth-while for water supply and the environment as well as power generation.

Europeans are leading because they pay through the nose for oil and natural gas and are heavily dependent on imports from Russia, Central Asia and the Middle East. But when North America follows, there should be plenty of sustainable power for us as well.

Meanwhile the cost of solar power has plummeted and continues to fall. We have plenty of options, the only shame is that we do not deep-six coal and other fossil fuels fast enough. There's still a lot of quasi-fascist big money fighting the rear-guard harassing action against the environment, clean energy, and sustainability. That's because there is still trillions of dollars of coal and oil and gas in the ground and those who own it aren't going to leave it there to become quasi-valueless.

Follow the money, follow the money.
 
2014-01-16 11:04:49 PM
but but oil and coal...  blarp!
 
2014-01-16 11:05:22 PM
Wind turbines gave me premature baldness, restless leg syndrome, gingivitis, the heartache of psoriasis, dandruff, and made me start playing Dungeons and Dragons!
 
2014-01-16 11:07:33 PM
Subby failed college math.
 
2014-01-16 11:09:26 PM

Dinjiin: TeamEd: Headline: Last year Spain became the first country in the world to get most of its more electricity from wind than any other source

FTFH.  But yeah, "most" would make me believe that they get 50+%, not 20.9%


Back to the article... they're going to need to start installing some gravity batteries on their grid in order to deal with excess generation from their wind farms, else risk destabilizing their grid.


Grid scale batteries, using molten salts, are only in need of a first adopter.
 
2014-01-16 11:14:55 PM
Someday humanity will laugh at our "advanced" society which drilled and mined our energy out of the ground in the form of fossil fuels.
 
2014-01-16 11:24:08 PM
Too bad windmills will never catch on in the USA. Every time someone tries to build windmills here, animal rights wackos lose their shiat over the forthcoming "bird holocaust"

Or the Kennedy family doesn't want them blocking the ocean view...
 
2014-01-16 11:30:14 PM
What I need to know is how are the Portuguese dealing with tragedy? I kinda need to know. GF is from the Azores and they're a loud and pushy bunch and I gotta visit. Need that info by at least Bermuda. Or somewhere over the Atlantic, k thx.
 
2014-01-16 11:31:55 PM

brandent: Well they could do what Audi did.  Just use the power to electrolyze water into Hydrogen and Oxygen. That gives you a chemical 'battery' or effectively energy storage. A simple chemical reaction combines it with CO2 to form methane and the resultant 'natural gas' is simply pumped into the natural gas lines or stored on site.


I'm curious how much more efficient it is versus a hydro gravity battery.  Also, what is your CO2 feedstock?


wildcardjack: Grid scale batteries, using molten salts, are only in need of a first adopter.


Arizona is using molten salt with their thermal solar plants.  But for wind, how efficient is it to turn electrical energy to thermal energy then back to electrical energy?
 
2014-01-16 11:38:11 PM

ELMiller: Too bad windmills will never catch on in the USA. Every time someone tries to build windmills here, animal rights wackos lose their shiat over the forthcoming "bird holocaust"

Or the Kennedy family doesn't want them blocking the ocean view...


You've never driven through Iowa, Nebraska, California, Minnesota, or Arizona then?  You can't throw a dead bird without hitting a damn windmill.
 
2014-01-16 11:39:23 PM
Everyone's always all up in arms about "global warming" nonsense, but it's perfectly okay to erect a bunch of giant fans to hook our electronics up to?

What happens when everyone decides to charge their phones, run the dryer, crank the A/C, and run a bunch of lights allat the same time?

We draw too much power all at once and these giant fans are gonna start spinning backwards. And then what? The Earth starts spinning backwards and we actually go back in time? I know this is only a hypothetical but I don't think we fully understand the effects of making the Earth spin backwards. Let's continue research before throwing all our eggs in one wind basket.
 
2014-01-16 11:43:07 PM

Pocket Ninja: Yes, I'm confident that the problems in the Spanish economy are entirely related to their efforts at promoting wind energy.


My dad once flew a kite, and 40 years later he died of cancer.

Oh...My...Gods....
 
2014-01-16 11:45:31 PM

TinyFist: Everyone's always all up in arms about "global warming" nonsense, but it's perfectly okay to erect a bunch of giant fans to hook our electronics up to?

What happens when everyone decides to charge their phones, run the dryer, crank the A/C, and run a bunch of lights allat the same time?

We draw too much power all at once and these giant fans are gonna start spinning backwards. And then what? The Earth starts spinning backwards and we actually go back in time? I know this is only a hypothetical but I don't think we fully understand the effects of making the Earth spin backwards. Let's continue research before throwing all our eggs in one wind basket.


I like you.
 
2014-01-16 11:46:43 PM

gingerjet: TinyFist: 
I like you.


Shut up.
 
2014-01-17 12:02:50 AM

Dinjiin: wildcardjack: Grid scale batteries, using molten salts, are only in need of a first adopter.

Arizona is using molten salt with their thermal solar plants. But for wind, how efficient is it to turn electrical energy to thermal energy then back to electrical energy?


The idea is off-grid storage for when the wind isn't blowing.  You generate more electricity than you have demand for and store the excess (either by heating up salt or hydrolysing water or filling a hydroelectric reservoir or whatever).  During periods of high demand and low wind availability, you tap the stored excess to make up the shortfall.

The thing about solar and wind and tidal is while they're clean, they're capricious.  Supply is spotty and somewhat unpredictable.
 
2014-01-17 12:04:38 AM
WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THA....

(oh wait they do nevermind)
 
2014-01-17 12:08:06 AM

TinyFist: gingerjet: TinyFist: 
I like you.

Shut up.


I like you more now.
 
2014-01-17 12:10:11 AM
"Just use the power to electrolyze water into Hydrogen and Oxygen. That gives you a chemical 'battery' or effectively energy storage"

What an effective chemical battery using hydrogen and oxygen may look like
www.freepresshouston.com
 
2014-01-17 12:14:01 AM

gingerjet: TinyFist: gingerjet: TinyFist: 
I like you.

Shut up.

I like you more now.


F*ck you're annoying. Go away.
 
2014-01-17 12:16:53 AM

brandent: Dinjiin: TeamEd: Headline: Last year Spain became the first country in the world to get most of its more electricity from wind than any other source

FTFH.  But yeah, "most" would make me believe that they get 50+%, not 20.9%


Back to the article... they're going to need to start installing some gravity batteries on their grid in order to deal with excess generation from their wind farms, else risk destabilizing their grid.

Well they could do what Audi did.

http://green.autoblog.com/2013/07/08/audi-opens-renewable-energy-e-g as -plant-in-germany/

Just use the power to electrolyze water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.  That gives you a chemical 'battery' or effectively energy storage.  A simple chemical reaction combines it with CO2 to form methane and the resultant 'natural gas' is simply pumped into the natural gas lines or stored on site.

Really clever and simple.  Who knows how expensive it is.  In principle it has a very high efficiency.


...and requires no damaging metals that need to be mined!
 
2014-01-17 12:17:06 AM
well it does have oxygen and hydrogen all over it
 
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