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2014-01-16 04:36:36 PM  
Smartphones are not intended to educate, empower, or make one literate.  They exist to keep you busy, and to keep you away from things which actually make you smart.
 
2014-01-16 04:38:17 PM  
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2014-01-16 04:41:06 PM  
*sigh*

Same as it ever was.
 
2014-01-16 04:42:11 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Smartphones are not intended to educate, empower, or make one literate.  They exist to keep you busy, and to keep you away from things which actually make you smart.


Like a ratlle for an infant.
 
2014-01-16 04:45:44 PM  
I think smartphones are making people dumber. I know mine has. I don't have to remember as much.
 
2014-01-16 04:49:26 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I think smartphones are making people dumber. I know mine has. I don't have to remember as much.


I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.
 
2014-01-16 04:55:35 PM  

RexTalionis: I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.


Tell me about it. I mean, I still remember the street address and phone number of the house where I lived when I was eight years old. Eight! Good lord, if I could just free up the space that's taking up, I'd be a super genius by now. Maybe even in Mensa.
 
2014-01-16 05:01:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: RexTalionis: I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.

Tell me about it. I mean, I still remember the street address and phone number of the house where I lived when I was eight years old. Eight! Good lord, if I could just free up the space that's taking up, I'd be a super genius by now. Maybe even in Mensa.


Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?
 
2014-01-16 05:27:12 PM  

fusillade762: Pocket Ninja: RexTalionis: I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.

Tell me about it. I mean, I still remember the street address and phone number of the house where I lived when I was eight years old. Eight! Good lord, if I could just free up the space that's taking up, I'd be a super genius by now. Maybe even in Mensa.

Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?


That's because you were drunk!
 
2014-01-16 05:30:30 PM  

fusillade762: Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?


It's gotten to the point where every time I watch a new TV show, I have to forget one of the old ones I remembered. I watched that new HBO show last Sunday and accidentally overwrote my memory of that GoT episode where Rob got married. Can't wait to watch that one again, but I'm not sure what to put *it* over now.
 
2014-01-16 05:40:32 PM  
Complicated things usually come with/require training. Big trucks, airplanes, nuclear plants, most jobs, combines, and your spouse for instance. Most kids have computer training as they go through school.

People seldom get phone training but those devices are certainly challenging enough to warrant it. Anything computer related in our society generally doesn't have any training emphasis and it shows. You're just supposed to know somehow.
 
2014-01-16 05:41:43 PM  

fusillade762: Pocket Ninja: RexTalionis: I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.

Tell me about it. I mean, I still remember the street address and phone number of the house where I lived when I was eight years old. Eight! Good lord, if I could just free up the space that's taking up, I'd be a super genius by now. Maybe even in Mensa.

Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?


Tell me about it.  I displaced the cure for cancer with Bananarama lyrics.
 
2014-01-16 05:46:56 PM  

Pocket Ninja: fusillade762: Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?

It's gotten to the point where every time I watch a new TV show, I have to forget one of the old ones I remembered. I watched that new HBO show last Sunday and accidentally overwrote my memory of that GoT episode where Rob got married. Can't wait to watch that one again, but I'm not sure what to put *it* over now.


I had a similar problem with "The Walking Dead". After watching the show I tried reading the comic but the overlay between the characters made it too confusing.
 
2014-01-16 05:46:59 PM  
I own an IT support services company, so I can definitely relate.  As a result, I also do a lot of support for friends, family, and buddies with small businesses on the side.

I bypass a lot of the complaints mentioned in TFA by taking care of it myself.  Whenever I touch a new device or network, I document everything, including passwords, so that when they forget what theirs is for whatever service, they can just text me for it (which they will do regardless of whether I've actually documented it, so I might as well).  This is vastly superior to how they tend to solve that issue on their own, which is invariably to recycle passwords across all services.
 
2014-01-16 06:01:00 PM  

RexTalionis: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I think smartphones are making people dumber. I know mine has. I don't have to remember as much.

I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.


Because once you've got it down by rote, you can do it automatically. Frees up your brain to multitask while doing other things.

That's why people like Jackie Can are so good at martial arts stunts. While you'd have to think about what move to make, his body would already be doing it before your neurons had even fired. That's why Marines still drill incessantly in hand to hand fighting, even though there hasn't been hand to hand fighting with enemy troops since the banana clip's invention.

That said, your childhood home's address is kinda useless if you sold the property already.
 
2014-01-16 06:06:01 PM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-16 06:26:24 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-16 06:34:06 PM  
Teaching android to a boomer is like teaching potato enthusiasts not to lick windows. True story.
 
2014-01-16 06:36:55 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:


Looks like I picked the wrong day to play AngryBirds and not browse Fark...
 
2014-01-16 06:39:31 PM  
DUMPED my 'smart phone' 2 years ago and am better off because of it.
 
2014-01-16 06:40:00 PM  
New research says that Internet porn makes you stupider. If that's true, my "smart" phone should be dumber than a roomful of Jenny McCarthys breeding with Shia LaBeouf's Twitter account.
 
Ant
2014-01-16 06:40:28 PM  
"I couldn't get the camera flipped around so it would take a picture of an object and not myself," Jennifer said. There were a lot of pictures of Jennifer. "Finally a client said, 'Here, let me help you with that.'"

How the fark do people like this function? Are you so incurious that you can't try a few menu items? Do you know how to use Google? I honestly don't understand.
 
2014-01-16 06:43:28 PM  
leadinghands.org
 
Ant
2014-01-16 06:43:40 PM  

edmo: People seldom get phone training but those devices are certainly challenging enough to warrant it.


But they're really not that challenging.
 
2014-01-16 06:43:47 PM  
Since I'm not having any issues with my new Republic Moto X I'm getting kicks...

/60-something
//programmer back in the day when mainframes were $5-million 286's
///hint...Youtube is your friend
 
2014-01-16 06:47:08 PM  
If only smartphones shipped with manuals... Or there was some sort of search engine that you could punch a question about a feature on your phone into and see a ranked list of possible answers.
 
2014-01-16 06:48:32 PM  
i can kinda understand the fright of having to use a modern touch interface for someone who isnt all that sharp on the mouse - i mean, it's literally like poking a person with a stick. Maybe nothing happens, maybe the person gets mad, breaks your phone. Who knows, with it flying around all over the place?

Really, i'm okay with all that stuff, but is it beyond android to have a dummy fast-access mode?
 
2014-01-16 06:49:37 PM  

Ant: "I couldn't get the camera flipped around so it would take a picture of an object and not myself," Jennifer said. There were a lot of pictures of Jennifer. "Finally a client said, 'Here, let me help you with that.'"

How the fark do people like this function? Are you so incurious that you can't try a few menu items? Do you know how to use Google? I honestly don't understand.


I can't speak for anyone in TFA, but it seems like whenever my dad tries to reach himself a new computer skill, he always seems to end up breaking things in the most bizarre ways imaginable.  Most recently, he was trying to learn how to use his ISP's webmail, and he tried to delete an e-mail by closing the browser.
 
2014-01-16 06:50:46 PM  
If Frank Washington has told his mother once, he has told her a thousand times: Do not change the account passwords on your iPhone.

His mother called the other day. She had a password problem.

"I told her to call Apple support this time, because I was done with it," Washington said.


What a dick.
 
2014-01-16 06:51:07 PM  

anfrind: Ant: "I couldn't get the camera flipped around so it would take a picture of an object and not myself," Jennifer said. There were a lot of pictures of Jennifer. "Finally a client said, 'Here, let me help you with that.'"

How the fark do people like this function? Are you so incurious that you can't try a few menu items? Do you know how to use Google? I honestly don't understand.

I can't speak for anyone in TFA, but it seems like whenever my dad tries to reach himself a new computer skill, he always seems to end up breaking things in the most bizarre ways imaginable.  Most recently, he was trying to learn how to use his ISP's webmail, and he tried to delete an e-mail by closing the browser.


makes sense, right? i mean, he didn't save the email first, so why shouldn't closing the program work?

/my mother was an instructional designer, so I have an appreciation of the irrationality of the interface
 
2014-01-16 06:51:15 PM  
sobriquet by any other name: 
Really, i'm okay with all that stuff, but is it beyond android to have a dummy fast-access mode?

Something like this?

lounge.obviousmag.org
 
2014-01-16 06:52:33 PM  

moike: sobriquet by any other name: 
Really, i'm okay with all that stuff, but is it beyond android to have a dummy fast-access mode?

Something like this?

[lounge.obviousmag.org image 454x234]


actually i was thinking of a full-screen contacts-phone-text only interface that it boots into, and is difficult to leave accidentally, for older users, but SnarkUI... that has potential!
 
2014-01-16 06:53:19 PM  

Pocket Ninja: fusillade762: Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive?

It's gotten to the point where every time I watch a new TV show, I have to forget one of the old ones I remembered. I watched that new HBO show last Sunday and accidentally overwrote my memory of that GoT episode where Rob got married. Can't wait to watch that one again, but I'm not sure what to put *it* over now.


If your brain had an SD port there would be no issue. Don't even get me started on the USB port.
 
2014-01-16 06:53:38 PM  

orezona: [leadinghands.org image 446x269]


HP made a watch in the 1970s that actually had buttons too small for your fingers. Came with a poker attached to the wristband.

www.hp.com
 
2014-01-16 06:54:20 PM  

EdgeRunner: New research says that Internet porn makes you stupider. If that's true, my "smart" phone should be dumber than a roomful of Jenny McCarthys breeding with Shia LaBeouf's Twitter account.


Femminist propaganda.

If porn made you dumb, how would I still remember that e is equal to MC Hammer?
 
2014-01-16 06:55:41 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: anfrind:

makes sense, right? i mean, he didn't save the email first, so why shouldn't closing the program work?


I said this wrong, i mean't: "he got a "new" email like a "new" file that he didn't save to the harddrive first, so why shouldn't just quitting the program result in that data being lost?" as godawful as that sounds.
 
2014-01-16 06:59:21 PM  
Too much iJunk.
Way too much.
 
DB
2014-01-16 06:59:48 PM  

moike: If only smartphones shipped with manuals... Or there was some sort of search engine that you could punch a question about a feature on your phone into and see a ranked list of possible answers.


My droid didn't come with a comprehensive manual nor is there one online. I'm having no trouble using it but there are plenty of things that I have no idea they are for and I am sure I am vastly underutilizing its capability.
 
2014-01-16 06:59:52 PM  
My (now deceased) mother, right before she was RIFed into retirement, kept insisting she "needed" a Blackberry (because I got one -  my job had replaced digital pagers with Blackberries). I kept asking her "why" she NEEDED one. She would then ask what mine did, and I said it mostly annoyed me, and annoyed my wife once I found Brickbreaker.

We never let her get one, and instead replaced her lost flip phone with a Jitterbug.

Now work (new job) has iPhones and I have an Android for my personal smartphone. Now I'm "tech support" for my family's stuff (wife's Android and laptop, kid's iPod). Old work just dumped Blackberry in favor of Android, using some kind of Cisco product for device management. I'm glad I am not there any more, for I'd have to be explaining to a LOT of people the different behavior of Android vs. Blackberry, even though I wasn't in the "Computer Services" group.
 
2014-01-16 07:00:30 PM  
FFS, don't go into an Apple store for at least a month after a new version of the iPhone comes out. They're filled with old people who have to be trained how to use the farking thing.

Don't they come with instruction manuals (the phones, not the old people)? Or help screens?

I don't have an iPhone, but I'm assuming they have those things. Or am I the only one who still refers to owners manuals?
 
2014-01-16 07:01:29 PM  

RexTalionis: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I think smartphones are making people dumber. I know mine has. I don't have to remember as much.

I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.


This.

And I've learned some awesome things via smartphone. Being able to look up anything leads me to look up and read something else is pretty amazing. I end up reading about things what I had not thought about or didn't have reasonable access to. I love Wikipedia wormholes.
 
2014-01-16 07:02:15 PM  

fatassbastard: If Frank Washington has told his mother once, he has told her a thousand times: Do not change the account passwords on your iPhone.

His mother called the other day. She had a password problem.

"I told her to call Apple support this time, because I was done with it," Washington said.

What a dick.


I see you don't have technologically illetrate mother. I do. They will litterally call you everyday about something. It's anoying and counter productive. IOS and Android are baby's first OS and children in Africa can figure it out (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/506466/given-tablets-but-no-tea ch ers-ethiopian-children-teach-themselves/ )on their own westerners who actually have first world education should be able to do it. If they can't too freaking bad it's fricking Darwinian at this point.
 
2014-01-16 07:03:05 PM  
Reading this article reminded me of the time I was sleeping at my parents house and forgot to turn off the alarm on my phone. When I woke up, I couldn't find my phone, and went searching the house wondering where I could have left it. It turns out I left it in the kitchen charging, and when my mom woke up to go to work she couldn't figure out how to turn it off. It was bothering her so much she stashed it in a drawer to muffle the sound.

That said, I taught her mom a couple of different ways to transfer files from her Samsung Ace wirelessly so she can easily get the photos off of it and onto it. The only issue she has with her iPad is getting email to work when she comes to Canada, but that is related to the SMTP settings or some shiat. I wish she had just gotten a web email, but she insists on using whatever is provided by her current ISP.

Phones are not that complicated, but I use android, and unlike the picture above I am actually a scientist. Maybe I am not qualified to speak for average people. I wear a blue lab coat though, they don't look dirty as quick.
 
2014-01-16 07:04:24 PM  
We really need to ban Smart phones. In 2011, they were responsible for more than 3,000 deaths.  Nobody needs a Smart phone, and the fact that they are responsible for so many deaths is clear proof that nobody should be allowed to have one.
 
2014-01-16 07:04:56 PM  
Obligatory smugness about how I don't own a smart phone OR cell phone, blah, blah, blah.

(Partly because they WOULD make me dumber than I am.)
 
2014-01-16 07:06:17 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-16 07:07:46 PM  

megarian: RexTalionis: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I think smartphones are making people dumber. I know mine has. I don't have to remember as much.

I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.

This.

And I've learned some awesome things via smartphone. Being able to look up anything leads me to look up and read something else is pretty amazing. I end up reading about things what I had not thought about or didn't have reasonable access to. I love Wikipedia wormholes.


Wow! It's almost like the Internet.
 
2014-01-16 07:09:19 PM  

fatassbastard: If Frank Washington has told his mother once, he has told her a thousand times: Do not change the account passwords on your iPhone.

His mother called the other day. She had a password problem.

"I told her to call Apple support this time, because I was done with it," Washington said.

What a dick.


Agreed. I wish my mom would call me for tech support, but considering she's dead, that might be awkward...
 
2014-01-16 07:10:15 PM  

The Southern Dandy: We really need to ban Smart phones. In 2011, they were responsible for more than 3,000 deaths.  Nobody needs a Smart phone, and the fact that they are responsible for so many deaths is clear proof that nobody should be allowed to have one.


Personally, if Smartphones are the cause of 3,000 deaths I think we should allow more people to have them, and to make them cheaper.

Because those same 3,000 are too stupid to survive if a Smartphone can be the cause of their demise.
 
2014-01-16 07:10:26 PM  

WayneKerr: megarian: RexTalionis: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I think smartphones are making people dumber. I know mine has. I don't have to remember as much.

I don't see the point in devoting brain power to memorizing things that I can easily look up.

This.

And I've learned some awesome things via smartphone. Being able to look up anything leads me to look up and read something else is pretty amazing. I end up reading about things what I had not thought about or didn't have reasonable access to. I love Wikipedia wormholes.

Wow! It's almost like the Internet.


Oh shut it. I don't carry my laptop everywhere.
 
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