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2014-01-16 02:44:07 PM
7 votes:
fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
2014-01-16 06:07:49 PM
6 votes:

baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

img.fark.net



I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.
2014-01-16 07:51:23 PM
5 votes:
The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.
2014-01-16 06:09:27 PM
5 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.


Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?
2014-01-16 06:02:24 PM
5 votes:

trappedspirit: You're telling me they let women fight on the front lines?


Losing ancient battles was a Very Bad Thing.  Typically speaking, when your city was besieged and you lost, all the men would be killed and the women would be raped/killed/enslaved.  So women were allowed to fight just the same as anybody else... it would have been stupid not to.

They would not typically march out on offensive campaigns though.
2014-01-16 07:10:16 PM
4 votes:
Yes. And male warriors are always depicted in full-body covering, of course. . .

sciencefiction.com
2.bp.blogspot.com

assets.nydailynews.com

www.toplessrobot.com
wrongsideoftheart.com

Sorry, but this complaint just needs to stop. It's called the FANTASY genre for a reason.
2014-01-16 07:08:41 PM
4 votes:

Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!


Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns

i.imgur.com
2014-01-16 06:31:37 PM
4 votes:
One part of why armor is unrealistic in video games is animating the rigid armors is a bit more difficult than it sounds.

Looks worse than non-realistic boob jiggle.

/the 3d meshes are designed to bend, because, processing power(easier to bend semi-rigid things than have a lot of individual completely rigid plates), and when plate armor does that stretchy bendy thing it looks like utter shiat.

Also, magic and dragons and shiat, who the fark cares about "realistic" armor?

/get over it.
2014-01-16 06:05:45 PM
4 votes:
blu.stb.s-msn.com
2014-01-16 06:02:17 PM
4 votes:
Female fitted armor looked pretty much exactly like its male counterpart only a little more room in the chest area.

Right
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Wrong

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2014-01-16 07:58:15 PM
3 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns

[i.imgur.com image 822x1000]


That has always fascinated me. Dragons with four limbs plus wings would have to be in a completely different evolutionary trouser leg than most other beings. They clearly have articulated skeletons, but we have no examples of normally six limbed creatures with articulated skeletons in the real world. There are of course all sorts of multiple limbed critters but not vertebrates. It's easy to point to "magical mutations" like various chimera and driders and the like, but dragons are rarely placed in that category.

I always wonder... where are the rest of the six (or eight) limbed critters that are close relations to dragons? Certainly there would be an entire part of the ecosystem that should be along the same basic architecture-- six limbed vertebrates of natural and ancient pedigree. It could be argued that they are "living fossils" but even with modern living fossils we can find commonalities in basic form with other creatures of more recent origin. They have a place that can be pointed to, where we can say "This is where they forked, and they have continued on successfully."

Wyverns are far easier to explain, morphologically. They make a lot more sense compared to dragons. Scary, flying dinosaur. You can picture that. It makes anatomical sense. You don't need to toss in a bunch of other six or eight limbed vertebrates for verisimilitude. That wyvern? Pure, classical animal.
2014-01-16 06:47:42 PM
3 votes:
Note about fantasy:

Yes, video games are a fantasy. But the thing about fantasy, and fiction in general, is you've got to have suspension of disbelief. If there's a character that's supposed to be some badass, and the setting is supposed to be on the realistic side, boob-armor kinda breaks that suspension of disbelief, because a real badass warrior woman who actually fought with a sword would never dress like that. Now, on the other hand, if she's a sorceress or something, she can be dressed as skimpily as the designers want, and there might be some complaints about how sexual she is or whatever, but at least a woman dressed in a bikini who uses magic doesn't break the in-universe rules of how things operate because being skimpily dressed isn't any impediment to casting magic, unlike a warrior with nonsensical armor. It doesn't break the suspension of disbelief. Now on the other-hand if the whole game is some sort of Japanese-style extremely stylized world and the main character is lugging around a sword longer than he is tall, boob-armor isn't an issue, but the more realistic things are meant to be the sillier it looks.
2014-01-16 06:05:51 PM
3 votes:
This is what male armour looked like though, right?

static.comicvine.com
2014-01-17 02:36:39 AM
2 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Only if you count Candy Crush as a game.


rustypouch: Yep.

I think there's a difference between a 'gamer' who flings birds while on the toilet and someone who spends 30+ hours a week in an MMO.


"Usuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business, shared some Xbox 360 stats during the conference in Southern California yesterday.  Mehdi said that 38 percent of Xbox users are women."

http://www.geekwire.com/2013/dudes-38-xbox-users-female-51-kids/

"A 2010 study by the Entertainment Software Association had found that the percentage of women playing online had risen to 42%, up several percent since 2004. The same 2010 study showed that 46% of game purchasers were female, and this figure increased to 48% by 2012"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games

It's probably increased since then.

"Much of that is due to the growing popularity of social and mobile games like "Angry Birds," "Farmville," "Minecraft," and "Candy Crush" - addictive casual games that can be played on smartphones or tablets and don't require a heavy commitment of tens of hours to play. More than half of all social and mobile gamers are women, according to industry research firm EEDAR, but surprisingly as many as 30% of women play more violent games like "Halo," the group found. "Call of Duty" counts around 20% femme players, while "Grand Theft Auto" is around 15% for the whole franchise, their creators say. "

http://variety.com/2013/digital/features/womengamers1200683299-12006 83 299/

So yes women do play a lot of casual games like Candy Crush, but those demographics are changing.  I mean just looking at the studies between the 80's and 2013 there are huge changes and increases.

However, if we go to the original example of WoW, from 2009:

"Here's an interesting bit of info from the Nielsen folks: over 400,000 women are playing World of Warcraft in the US, which means it's the most-played "core" game for that gender. And even more interesting, females 25 years or older make up the largest block of PC game players overall, and they account for 54.6% of all gameplay minutes in December of last year. Girls don't just play  WoW -- they're quickly becoming one of it's main demographics. "

"males still make up a huge part of the PC gaming audience, many of them have now moved on to consoles, and women (especially older women, over 25), during the last month of last year, are making up a huge audience for PC games. Later in the report, you can see what kinds of games women are really playing:  Solitare, Freecell, Minesweeper, and all of those other little attention grabbers on every PC. But among those widespread casual games is our own  World of Warcraft. And while the 25-52 male audience of 675, 713 for that game still remains larger than the female audience in the same demo, the ladies aren't far behind. "

http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-ga me -by-25-54-females/

So in short, the demographics have changed significantly since the beginning of the last console generation, the invention of smart phones, and the rise in popularity of MMO's.  I'm not saying we're the majority, but we also aren't exclusively playing Candy Crash and Angry Birds.

/I only care so much because I'm a game designer and a female gamer who plays almost every genre and platform.  I know I'm not typical, but it's important to me to know who's playing what.  Plus I know so many women who play such a variety of games this topic always makes me laugh when I hear "women don't play real games."
/Meh not that I'm going to convince any farkers anything they don't already believe.
2014-01-16 06:44:37 PM
2 votes:
Actual armor women of that time wore.

freethoughtblogs.com
2014-01-16 06:32:08 PM
2 votes:

skinink: The io9 picture made me realize I haven't seen much of Leelee Sobieski in anything lately.


I like her in not much of anything.
2014-01-16 06:23:22 PM
2 votes:

FunkOut: baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.

Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?

No, it's because boys usually don't give a crap what they look like. On the other hand, it's usually the first thing a girl is judged on.


You sure about that? Why don't we ask the fat ugly guy in school if looks matter? You know, the guy everyone makes fun of.
2014-01-16 06:16:43 PM
2 votes:
I've grown out of being able to enjoy the tin-foil bikinis they tend to put female characters in. Now it mostly annoys me, because I know its an amature ploy to sell games with sex.

However, there's been a resurgence in dressing women appropriately for combat... And I fear its awoken a new fetish in me.
img.fark.net
2014-01-16 06:04:22 PM
2 votes:
The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

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2014-01-16 05:51:03 PM
2 votes:
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2014-01-16 05:43:47 PM
2 votes:
People keep telling me Skyrim is unrealistic. I just read an article that said real blacksmithing is much harder, and that they don't just repeatedly press A.
2014-01-16 05:13:39 PM
2 votes:
oyster.ignimgs.com
2014-01-17 06:26:26 AM
1 votes:

cynicalbastard: I have trouble taking an article seriously that uses the term "platemail". Saying platemail is like using a term like "standard automatic transmission". Plate is plate, and mail is mail. You might have mail reinforced with solid plates at vulnerable areas, or, conversely, a plate harness with mail covering up various spots which opened up as you moved, but historically "platemail" was a term invented by 19th century writers, as was "chainmail".


I almost bit. Nice.
2014-01-17 04:06:59 AM
1 votes:
if you're going to wear armor, wear armor that actually provides protection from blades and maybe arrows.
2014-01-17 12:17:17 AM
1 votes:

PillsHere: zzrhardy: PillsHere: I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too

If they were so wildly popular with females, you'd have 50 Shades of Grey Online instead of Wold of Warcraft. Target audience determines the product. If another 20% or less people also like something then it is a bonus but they aren't going to risk alienating the core 80% by markedly changing the product.  Marketers know their shiate, and they work on hard numbers rather than anecdotes or political correctness.

Seriously, if girl gaming was such a huge thing (actual numbers, not anecdotes) we wouldn't even be having this discussion as we would be drowning in "chic games". Actually, we probably would. If 90% of games were aimed at broads, then they would likely still be biatching about the last 10%.

"Age of Conan online has bare breasts! I demand you take this out and put in more shoes... and kitchens, ones you can decorate yourself"

"A new study reports that women make up 45 percent of all gamers and 46 percent of all "habitual video game purchasers." In fact, adult women make up 31 percent of the video game population and boys under 17 only make up 19 percent. And in a study by Magid Advisors of people ages 45 to 64, about 61 percent of women play video games compared with only 57 percent of men. "

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/06/13/actually-about-half-of-gamers- ar e-women/
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2013.pdf


Only if you count Candy Crush as a game.
2014-01-16 09:10:27 PM
1 votes:
If I wanted to see the armor women really wore, I'd watch the History channel not Game of Bones.
2014-01-16 08:49:11 PM
1 votes:
Why are we discussing realistic armor for a fantasy game?

Enjoy, let go.
2014-01-16 08:46:43 PM
1 votes:

zzrhardy: The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.


While I'm not a woman who cares about scantily glad characters in video games as I personally choose them if there is that option.  I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too.  It isn't a man's game/genre so to speak anymore.

But really this issue is rarely about the specific game or whatever the medium is.  I think the issue most women have is that women are portrayed like that in all forms of art/media no matter what the genre or target demographic is and it can get tiresome as not only is it saying "every woman looks like this or should look like this" but also that women should be seen as nothing more than sexual objects no matter the situation.  While I know a lot of guys don't give a crap about that as they think it's just the way it is, I'm merely explaining the women's side of things.

/This is a topic that rarely gets my ire anymore so I'm not even sure why I'm commenting in this thread.
2014-01-16 08:14:19 PM
1 votes:

zzrhardy: The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.


There's a big difference here. Using your example, if a man picked up a romance novel and didn't like or "approve" of it for any reason, he'd simply shrug his shoulders and write his own romance novel that was more to his liking instead of complaining about it. Men fix things, women complain about them.

It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
2014-01-16 08:08:03 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns


Please don't start this

/real dragons, he says
2014-01-16 07:53:06 PM
1 votes:

Kalashinator: Charlie Chingas: Sin_City_Superhero: Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

[baremaidens.org image 385x550]

[fc00.deviantart.net image 850x637]

[d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 576x720]

Interesting. Very interesting. And who is that? You know, for research.

Shyla Stylez.  Any related GIS will be very NSFW.  I think she gets plowed in that very armor in one of her movies, but I'm not 100% sure.

/must conduct own reasearch
//for science, not fapping.  I swear.


She's a true master of her craft.  I also find her work addressing the socioeconomic implications of realistic, servile pleasure robots to be quite thought-provoking.
2014-01-16 07:39:05 PM
1 votes:
i6.photobucket.com
2014-01-16 07:15:25 PM
1 votes:

way south: I've grown out of being able to enjoy the tin-foil bikinis they tend to put female characters in. Now it mostly annoys me, because I know its an amature ploy to sell games with sex.

However, there's been a resurgence in dressing women appropriately for combat... And I fear its awoken a new fetish in me.
[img.fark.net image 320x476]


Not to mention this woman is the first female to win the international longsword invitational: http://fashionablygeek.com/videos-2/this-armored-lady-won-the-longswo r d-competition-at-a-world-invitational-tournament/#!sqcfL

So yeah, she's hot and she's a badass.
2014-01-16 07:14:57 PM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: Yes. And male warriors are always depicted in full-body covering, of course. . .

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[www.toplessrobot.com image 270x364]
[wrongsideoftheart.com image 850x1209]

Sorry, but this complaint just needs to stop. It's called the FANTASY genre for a reason.


So, how much Keefe is in this movie?

Miles O'Keefe
2014-01-16 07:08:52 PM
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

Real female armor
2014-01-16 06:34:25 PM
1 votes:

baconbeard: FunkOut: baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.

Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?

No, it's because boys usually don't give a crap what they look like. On the other hand, it's usually the first thing a girl is judged on.

You sure about that? Why don't we ask the fat ugly guy in school if looks matter? You know, the guy everyone makes fun of.


Don't ask me about that, dude, I was just the ugly girl boys went out of their way to tell how disgusting she looked.

Besides, he said young boys. See, I am super super old and I recall the days when kids were playing with He-Man toys on the playground and eating their pudding pops and such, and you see the boys had messed up hair and dirt on their clothes and boogers and just did not give a damn. The girls, on the other hand, would have been mortified to be seen like that. It would have made them...ew, like, gross. You had strong boys and clever boys and funny boys but if you were a girl, well, by George, you'd better be a pretty girl or wishing you were a pretty girl. Then when we grew up, none of the girls expected the boys to look like He-Man but the boys did expect the girls to look like Barbies.

Anyhow, I struck gold in the backhills of Calleefornya back in '53 and spent that winter in a cave with pack of feral Mormons I eventually ended up selling to Chinese opium dealers for a crank operated movie projector and 10 barrels of fine Fresno olives.
2014-01-16 06:29:56 PM
1 votes:

Lonestar: [th08.deviantart.net image 731x1092]

I larp, lightning bolt!
[th04.deviantart.net image 730x1095]

Careful with that bow!

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You can keep the first one, but have the other two sent to my tent.
2014-01-16 06:27:01 PM
1 votes:
th08.deviantart.net

I larp, lightning bolt!
th04.deviantart.net

Careful with that bow!

th02.deviantart.net
2014-01-16 06:24:38 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

[baremaidens.org image 385x550]

[fc00.deviantart.net image 850x637]

[d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 576x720


Dang, just dang.
2014-01-16 06:21:08 PM
1 votes:
img33.imageshack.us

4.bp.blogspot.com
2014-01-16 06:20:29 PM
1 votes:

baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.

Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?


No, it's because boys usually don't give a crap what they look like. On the other hand, it's usually the first thing a girl is judged on.
2014-01-16 06:17:04 PM
1 votes:

Mouser: Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.


www.brickshelf.com
2014-01-16 06:10:32 PM
1 votes:

rjakobi: I don't think people get it. The reason women had scanty armor was because it enflamed the lusts of their male rivals and put them at a marked disadvantage. You ever had a boner inside of a metal codpiece? Very uncomfortable.

Probably that's why the Israeli military puts their female commandos in tiny miniskirted dress uniforms.


 fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net
2014-01-16 06:09:57 PM
1 votes:
Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.
2014-01-16 06:07:45 PM
1 votes:

trappedspirit: You're telling me they let women fight on the front lines?


See Boudica, Nusaybah bint Ka'ab, Tomoe Gozen (one of many Onna-bugeisha - female samurai) etc.
2014-01-16 06:04:28 PM
1 votes:
What's the complaint here? That video games don't look like real life?

On a related note, I can't wait for the release of "3rd Floor Cube Farm", I understand that they've realistically implemented flickering fluorescent lights and the snack machine i the break room is its own minigame. Best of 2014, I'm telling you.
2014-01-16 05:51:08 PM
1 votes:

Beerguy: [wallpapershd3d.com image 850x637]

God bless Clyde Caldwell.


The "K" stands for Quality
2014-01-16 05:46:17 PM
1 votes:
I don't think people get it. The reason women had scanty armor was because it enflamed the lusts of their male rivals and put them at a marked disadvantage. You ever had a boner inside of a metal codpiece? Very uncomfortable.

Probably that's why the Israeli military puts their female commandos in tiny miniskirted dress uniforms.
2014-01-16 05:45:45 PM
1 votes:
You're telling me they let women fight on the front lines?
2014-01-16 05:20:11 PM
1 votes:
wallpapershd3d.com

God bless Clyde Caldwell.
2014-01-16 04:58:35 PM
1 votes:
www.amsterdamtrader.com
2014-01-16 04:37:00 PM
1 votes:

Ghastly: [fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 850x680]


I am at least 69% sure there are other types of armor used in video games besides that one.
2014-01-16 04:14:02 PM
1 votes:
Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

baremaidens.org

fc00.deviantart.net

d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
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