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2014-01-16 02:44:07 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-01-16 03:16:58 PM
You see, I always thought the idea was that Ms. Warrior was such a badass she didn't need armor, being too quick to stab and too dangerous to approach. The chain mail bikini was for decoration.

//Wizards may do as they please.
 
2014-01-16 04:14:02 PM
Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

baremaidens.org

fc00.deviantart.net

d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2014-01-16 04:37:00 PM

Ghastly: [fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 850x680]


I am at least 69% sure there are other types of armor used in video games besides that one.
 
2014-01-16 04:41:17 PM
Anyone else remember that thing Keira Knightley was wearing in the King Arthur's final battle?
 
2014-01-16 04:58:35 PM
www.amsterdamtrader.com
 
2014-01-16 05:13:39 PM
oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2014-01-16 05:20:11 PM
wallpapershd3d.com

God bless Clyde Caldwell.
 
2014-01-16 05:43:19 PM

Beerguy: God bless Clyde Caldwell


I think there would be an awful lot of chafing associated with that suit.
 
2014-01-16 05:43:47 PM
People keep telling me Skyrim is unrealistic. I just read an article that said real blacksmithing is much harder, and that they don't just repeatedly press A.
 
2014-01-16 05:45:33 PM

Pocket Ninja: Beerguy: God bless Clyde Caldwell

I think there would be an awful lot of chafing associated with that suit.


Not for long. The first time you looked left or right suddenly, you'd gouge your eyes out, fall off the dragon, and die.
 
2014-01-16 05:45:45 PM
You're telling me they let women fight on the front lines?
 
2014-01-16 05:46:17 PM
I don't think people get it. The reason women had scanty armor was because it enflamed the lusts of their male rivals and put them at a marked disadvantage. You ever had a boner inside of a metal codpiece? Very uncomfortable.

Probably that's why the Israeli military puts their female commandos in tiny miniskirted dress uniforms.
 
2014-01-16 05:49:44 PM
The io9 picture made me realize I haven't seen much of Leelee Sobieski in anything lately. At one point she was in a lot of stuff and now she's just in something here and there. I think she's cuter than Jennifer Lawrence.

www.arts-stew.com
 
2014-01-16 05:51:03 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-16 05:51:08 PM

Beerguy: [wallpapershd3d.com image 850x637]

God bless Clyde Caldwell.


The "K" stands for Quality
 
2014-01-16 05:54:12 PM

rjakobi: You ever had a boner inside of a metal codpiece?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-16 05:54:16 PM
Reasonable armor thread?

/haven't been on /tg/ in a while
 
2014-01-16 05:55:27 PM

Mega Steve: Beerguy: [wallpapershd3d.com image 850x637]

God bless Clyde Caldwell.

The "K" stands for Quality


C'mon she had to go three different truck-stop souvenir shops for that belt buckle!
 
2014-01-16 06:01:18 PM
To be honest there isnt any significant real-world example to draw on, so just make shiat up as you please and if it is a game as pleases your player-base. If you want to make REAL money please your female player-base.
 
2014-01-16 06:02:17 PM
Female fitted armor looked pretty much exactly like its male counterpart only a little more room in the chest area.

Right
25.media.tumblr.com

1-media-cdn.foolz.us

Wrong

static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-01-16 06:02:24 PM

trappedspirit: You're telling me they let women fight on the front lines?


Losing ancient battles was a Very Bad Thing.  Typically speaking, when your city was besieged and you lost, all the men would be killed and the women would be raped/killed/enslaved.  So women were allowed to fight just the same as anybody else... it would have been stupid not to.

They would not typically march out on offensive campaigns though.
 
2014-01-16 06:03:17 PM

Pocket Ninja: Beerguy: God bless Clyde Caldwell

I think there would be an awful lot of chafing associated with that suit.


In my pants?
 
2014-01-16 06:04:22 PM
The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-01-16 06:04:28 PM
What's the complaint here? That video games don't look like real life?

On a related note, I can't wait for the release of "3rd Floor Cube Farm", I understand that they've realistically implemented flickering fluorescent lights and the snack machine i the break room is its own minigame. Best of 2014, I'm telling you.
 
2014-01-16 06:05:44 PM

skinink: The io9 picture made me realize I haven't seen much of Leelee Sobieski in anything lately. At one point she was in a lot of stuff and now she's just in something here and there. I think she's cuter than Jennifer Lawrence.


Id hit it like Zapruder was filming it.
 
2014-01-16 06:05:45 PM
blu.stb.s-msn.com
 
2014-01-16 06:05:51 PM
This is what male armour looked like though, right?

static.comicvine.com
 
2014-01-16 06:06:41 PM

Alonjar: trappedspirit: You're telling me they let women fight on the front lines?

Losing ancient battles was a Very Bad Thing.  Typically speaking, when your city was besieged and you lost, all the men would be killed and the women would be raped/killed/enslaved.  So women were allowed to fight just the same as anybody else... it would have been stupid not to.

They would not typically march out on offensive campaigns though.


This
 
2014-01-16 06:07:30 PM

Creoena: The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x342]


Or Battle Guinea Pigs...
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-01-16 06:07:45 PM

trappedspirit: You're telling me they let women fight on the front lines?


See Boudica, Nusaybah bint Ka'ab, Tomoe Gozen (one of many Onna-bugeisha - female samurai) etc.
 
2014-01-16 06:07:49 PM

baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

img.fark.net



I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.
 
2014-01-16 06:09:27 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.


Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?
 
2014-01-16 06:09:49 PM
OK, geek time.  We came up with a house rule in D&D to explain this.  Just like heavy armor can dex cap you, full body coverage charisma caps you.  Resulted in some especially interesting challenges for paladins, who had to choose between AC and charisma until they could afford invisible armor.
 
2014-01-16 06:09:57 PM
Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.
 
2014-01-16 06:10:11 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.


Fun fact: the fur under He-Man's belt is just his natural body hair.
 
2014-01-16 06:10:32 PM

rjakobi: I don't think people get it. The reason women had scanty armor was because it enflamed the lusts of their male rivals and put them at a marked disadvantage. You ever had a boner inside of a metal codpiece? Very uncomfortable.

Probably that's why the Israeli military puts their female commandos in tiny miniskirted dress uniforms.


 fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net
 
2014-01-16 06:12:15 PM

Mouser: Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.


I prefer my colander
 
2014-01-16 06:12:39 PM
What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!
 
2014-01-16 06:15:16 PM

Mouser: Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.


Oii !!!
 
2014-01-16 06:16:43 PM
I've grown out of being able to enjoy the tin-foil bikinis they tend to put female characters in. Now it mostly annoys me, because I know its an amature ploy to sell games with sex.

However, there's been a resurgence in dressing women appropriately for combat... And I fear its awoken a new fetish in me.
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-16 06:17:04 PM

Mouser: Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.


www.brickshelf.com
 
2014-01-16 06:20:29 PM

baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.

Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?


No, it's because boys usually don't give a crap what they look like. On the other hand, it's usually the first thing a girl is judged on.
 
2014-01-16 06:21:08 PM
img33.imageshack.us

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-16 06:21:46 PM

Ghastly: [fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 850x680]


Douchbags come in two sizes?
 
2014-01-16 06:23:22 PM

FunkOut: baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.

Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?

No, it's because boys usually don't give a crap what they look like. On the other hand, it's usually the first thing a girl is judged on.


You sure about that? Why don't we ask the fat ugly guy in school if looks matter? You know, the guy everyone makes fun of.
 
2014-01-16 06:23:47 PM
I love these threads, they give some of the best ideas.
 
2014-01-16 06:24:38 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

[baremaidens.org image 385x550]

[fc00.deviantart.net image 850x637]

[d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 576x720


Dang, just dang.
 
2014-01-16 06:26:27 PM

way south: I've grown out of being able to enjoy the tin-foil bikinis they tend to put female characters in. Now it mostly annoys me, because I know its an amature ploy to sell games with sex.

However, there's been a resurgence in dressing women appropriately for combat... And I fear its awoken a new fetish in me.
[img.fark.net image 320x476]


 Get a can opener and we'll talk.
 
2014-01-16 06:27:01 PM
th08.deviantart.net

I larp, lightning bolt!
th04.deviantart.net

Careful with that bow!

th02.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-16 06:29:56 PM

Lonestar: [th08.deviantart.net image 731x1092]

I larp, lightning bolt!
[th04.deviantart.net image 730x1095]

Careful with that bow!

[th02.deviantart.net image 850x340]


You can keep the first one, but have the other two sent to my tent.
 
2014-01-16 06:31:08 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?




I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.


If He-Man was life sized he'd have something like a 62" chest and a 28" waist and 26" biceps

Mr. Olympia era Ahhnold had a 57" chest and 34" waist and 22" biceps

I'm pretty sure He-Man's physique would litterally be impossable irl. It makes Ahhnold in his prime look sane by comparison.
 
2014-01-16 06:31:18 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

[baremaidens.org image 385x550]

[fc00.deviantart.net image 850x637]

[d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 576x720]


10,000 of them could defeat any modern military with out a single bullet being fired.
 
2014-01-16 06:31:37 PM
One part of why armor is unrealistic in video games is animating the rigid armors is a bit more difficult than it sounds.

Looks worse than non-realistic boob jiggle.

/the 3d meshes are designed to bend, because, processing power(easier to bend semi-rigid things than have a lot of individual completely rigid plates), and when plate armor does that stretchy bendy thing it looks like utter shiat.

Also, magic and dragons and shiat, who the fark cares about "realistic" armor?

/get over it.
 
2014-01-16 06:32:08 PM

skinink: The io9 picture made me realize I haven't seen much of Leelee Sobieski in anything lately.


I like her in not much of anything.
 
2014-01-16 06:34:25 PM

baconbeard: FunkOut: baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.

Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?

No, it's because boys usually don't give a crap what they look like. On the other hand, it's usually the first thing a girl is judged on.

You sure about that? Why don't we ask the fat ugly guy in school if looks matter? You know, the guy everyone makes fun of.


Don't ask me about that, dude, I was just the ugly girl boys went out of their way to tell how disgusting she looked.

Besides, he said young boys. See, I am super super old and I recall the days when kids were playing with He-Man toys on the playground and eating their pudding pops and such, and you see the boys had messed up hair and dirt on their clothes and boogers and just did not give a damn. The girls, on the other hand, would have been mortified to be seen like that. It would have made them...ew, like, gross. You had strong boys and clever boys and funny boys but if you were a girl, well, by George, you'd better be a pretty girl or wishing you were a pretty girl. Then when we grew up, none of the girls expected the boys to look like He-Man but the boys did expect the girls to look like Barbies.

Anyhow, I struck gold in the backhills of Calleefornya back in '53 and spent that winter in a cave with pack of feral Mormons I eventually ended up selling to Chinese opium dealers for a crank operated movie projector and 10 barrels of fine Fresno olives.
 
2014-01-16 06:44:37 PM
Actual armor women of that time wore.

freethoughtblogs.com
 
2014-01-16 06:47:11 PM
What, a women in armor thread and no Alias?

www.toplessrobot.com

You're slipping, guys.
 
2014-01-16 06:47:42 PM
Note about fantasy:

Yes, video games are a fantasy. But the thing about fantasy, and fiction in general, is you've got to have suspension of disbelief. If there's a character that's supposed to be some badass, and the setting is supposed to be on the realistic side, boob-armor kinda breaks that suspension of disbelief, because a real badass warrior woman who actually fought with a sword would never dress like that. Now, on the other hand, if she's a sorceress or something, she can be dressed as skimpily as the designers want, and there might be some complaints about how sexual she is or whatever, but at least a woman dressed in a bikini who uses magic doesn't break the in-universe rules of how things operate because being skimpily dressed isn't any impediment to casting magic, unlike a warrior with nonsensical armor. It doesn't break the suspension of disbelief. Now on the other-hand if the whole game is some sort of Japanese-style extremely stylized world and the main character is lugging around a sword longer than he is tall, boob-armor isn't an issue, but the more realistic things are meant to be the sillier it looks.
 
2014-01-16 06:47:52 PM

Snapper Carr: Female fitted armor looked pretty much exactly like its male counterpart only a little more room and padding in the chest area.

Right
[25.media.tumblr.com image 467x700]

[1-media-cdn.foolz.us image 525x700]

Wrong

[static.fjcdn.com image 500x570]


FTFY.

/Because you do not want your boobs bouncing against plate mail.
 
2014-01-16 06:53:17 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

[baremaidens.org image 385x550]

[fc00.deviantart.net image 850x637]

[d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 576x720]


Interesting. Very interesting. And who is that? You know, for research.
 
2014-01-16 07:02:10 PM
 
2014-01-16 07:02:59 PM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: What, a women in armor thread and no Alias?

[www.toplessrobot.com image 250x307]

You're slipping, guys.


Now that's a deep cut.
 
2014-01-16 07:08:41 PM

Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!


Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-16 07:08:52 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Real female armor
 
2014-01-16 07:10:16 PM
Yes. And male warriors are always depicted in full-body covering, of course. . .

sciencefiction.com
2.bp.blogspot.com

assets.nydailynews.com

www.toplessrobot.com
wrongsideoftheart.com

Sorry, but this complaint just needs to stop. It's called the FANTASY genre for a reason.
 
2014-01-16 07:14:11 PM

FunkOut: baconbeard: FunkOut: baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?

[img.fark.net image 300x471]


I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.

Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?

No, it's because boys usually don't give a crap what they look like. On the other hand, it's usually the first thing a girl is judged on.

You sure about that? Why don't we ask the fat ugly guy in school if looks matter? You know, the guy everyone makes fun of.

Don't ask me about that, dude, I was just the ugly girl boys went out of their way to tell how disgusting she looked.

Besides, he said young boys. See, I am super super old and I recall the days when kids were playing with He-Man toys on the playground and eating their pudding pops and such, and you see the boys had messed up hair and dirt on their clothes and boogers and just did not give a damn. The girls, on the other hand, would have been mortified to be seen like that. It would have made them...ew, like, gross. You had strong boys and clever boys and funny boys but if you were a girl, well, by George, you'd better be a pretty girl or wishing you were a pretty girl. Then when we grew up, none of the girls expected the boys to look like He-Man but the boys did expect the girls to look like Barbies.

Anyhow, I struck gold in the backhills of Calleefornya back in '53 and spent that winter in a cave with pack of feral Mormons I eventually ended up selling to Chinese opium dealers for a crank operated movie projector and 10 barrels of fine Fresno olives.



I still have one of those barrels
 
2014-01-16 07:14:57 PM

ZeroCorpse: Yes. And male warriors are always depicted in full-body covering, of course. . .

[sciencefiction.com image 552x800]
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 426x640]

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x477]

[www.toplessrobot.com image 270x364]
[wrongsideoftheart.com image 850x1209]

Sorry, but this complaint just needs to stop. It's called the FANTASY genre for a reason.


So, how much Keefe is in this movie?

Miles O'Keefe
 
2014-01-16 07:15:25 PM

way south: I've grown out of being able to enjoy the tin-foil bikinis they tend to put female characters in. Now it mostly annoys me, because I know its an amature ploy to sell games with sex.

However, there's been a resurgence in dressing women appropriately for combat... And I fear its awoken a new fetish in me.
[img.fark.net image 320x476]


Not to mention this woman is the first female to win the international longsword invitational: http://fashionablygeek.com/videos-2/this-armored-lady-won-the-longswo r d-competition-at-a-world-invitational-tournament/#!sqcfL

So yeah, she's hot and she's a badass.
 
2014-01-16 07:15:30 PM
Any discussion of females in armour is incomplete without young Helen Mirren in armour.
 
2014-01-16 07:23:51 PM

Begoggle: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x442]

Real female armor


My problem with that franchise isn't the armor... It's the stupid bladed weapons that don't cut, don't draw blood, don't dismember, etc. Why bother giving them bladed weapons if they're just going to behave like blunt instruments?
 
2014-01-16 07:24:01 PM

Creoena: The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x342]


Those were totally missing from Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon's Keep.
 
2014-01-16 07:33:42 PM

FunkOut: The girls, on the other hand, would have been mortified to be seen like that. It would have made them...ew, like, gross. Then when we grew up, none of the girls expected the boys to look like He-Man but the boys did expect the girls to look like Barbies.


Maybe if you all hadn't been so "mortified" to ever get dirty, these boys would have grown up to become men that don't need a Barbie for a wife. Maybe you set the bad example for them.
 
2014-01-16 07:39:05 PM
i6.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-16 07:39:54 PM

Charlie Chingas: Sin_City_Superhero: Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

[baremaidens.org image 385x550]

[fc00.deviantart.net image 850x637]

[d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 576x720]

Interesting. Very interesting. And who is that? You know, for research.


Shyla Stylez.  Any related GIS will be very NSFW.  I think she gets plowed in that very armor in one of her movies, but I'm not 100% sure.

/must conduct own reasearch
//for science, not fapping.  I swear.
 
2014-01-16 07:44:32 PM

Scrotastic Method: FunkOut: The girls, on the other hand, would have been mortified to be seen like that. It would have made them...ew, like, gross. Then when we grew up, none of the girls expected the boys to look like He-Man but the boys did expect the girls to look like Barbies.

Maybe if you all hadn't been so "mortified" to ever get dirty, these boys would have grown up to become men that don't need a Barbie for a wife. Maybe you set the bad example for them.


Nope, I was out there playing Transformers and Star Wars. I was friends with the Japanese kids. A kid once told me I couldn't play the boy games so I kicked him in the shin.
 
2014-01-16 07:47:15 PM
Fantasy....how does it work?
 
2014-01-16 07:50:38 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

metalgaia.files.wordpress.com

images.vg247.com
 
2014-01-16 07:51:23 PM
The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.
 
2014-01-16 07:53:06 PM

Kalashinator: Charlie Chingas: Sin_City_Superhero: Pretty sure this is a faithful and historical recreation:

[baremaidens.org image 385x550]

[fc00.deviantart.net image 850x637]

[d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 576x720]

Interesting. Very interesting. And who is that? You know, for research.

Shyla Stylez.  Any related GIS will be very NSFW.  I think she gets plowed in that very armor in one of her movies, but I'm not 100% sure.

/must conduct own reasearch
//for science, not fapping.  I swear.


She's a true master of her craft.  I also find her work addressing the socioeconomic implications of realistic, servile pleasure robots to be quite thought-provoking.
 
2014-01-16 07:54:23 PM

Mouser: Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.


I would agree, because someone so attired and armed would likely have either 1) EVERYTHING to lose or 2)NOTHING left to lose.

/unless that was sarcasm, in which case i disagree for the above reasons
 
2014-01-16 07:56:32 PM
 
2014-01-16 07:58:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns

[i.imgur.com image 822x1000]


That has always fascinated me. Dragons with four limbs plus wings would have to be in a completely different evolutionary trouser leg than most other beings. They clearly have articulated skeletons, but we have no examples of normally six limbed creatures with articulated skeletons in the real world. There are of course all sorts of multiple limbed critters but not vertebrates. It's easy to point to "magical mutations" like various chimera and driders and the like, but dragons are rarely placed in that category.

I always wonder... where are the rest of the six (or eight) limbed critters that are close relations to dragons? Certainly there would be an entire part of the ecosystem that should be along the same basic architecture-- six limbed vertebrates of natural and ancient pedigree. It could be argued that they are "living fossils" but even with modern living fossils we can find commonalities in basic form with other creatures of more recent origin. They have a place that can be pointed to, where we can say "This is where they forked, and they have continued on successfully."

Wyverns are far easier to explain, morphologically. They make a lot more sense compared to dragons. Scary, flying dinosaur. You can picture that. It makes anatomical sense. You don't need to toss in a bunch of other six or eight limbed vertebrates for verisimilitude. That wyvern? Pure, classical animal.
 
2014-01-16 08:01:57 PM

BolloxReader: That has always fascinated me. Dragons with four limbs plus wings would have to be in a completely different evolutionary trouser leg than most other beings. They clearly have articulated skeletons, but we have no examples of normally six limbed creatures with articulated skeletons in the real world. There are of course all sorts of multiple limbed critters but not vertebrates. It's easy to point to "magical mutations" like various chimera and driders and the like, but dragons are rarely placed in that category.


Dragons are frequently put in the magical mutations category. That or they're ancient gods or somesuch.

Darwinian dragons probably evolved from a common ancestor with really large shoulder blades.
 
2014-01-16 08:03:42 PM

Snapper Carr: Female fitted armor looked pretty much exactly like its male counterpart only a little more room in the chest area.

Right




Wrong


Look at that elfs unrealistic armor! A real elf would never wear that in a fight
 
2014-01-16 08:05:45 PM

zzrhardy: The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.


Aaaand plenty of this
 
2014-01-16 08:08:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns


Please don't start this

/real dragons, he says
 
2014-01-16 08:14:19 PM

zzrhardy: The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.


There's a big difference here. Using your example, if a man picked up a romance novel and didn't like or "approve" of it for any reason, he'd simply shrug his shoulders and write his own romance novel that was more to his liking instead of complaining about it. Men fix things, women complain about them.

It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
 
2014-01-16 08:17:05 PM

BenJammin: Actual armor women of that time wore.

[freethoughtblogs.com image 408x336]


WTF?

/The anal part would have shaved turds like something for a cake decoration.
 
2014-01-16 08:22:56 PM

scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns

[i.imgur.com image 822x1000]



Vermithrax Pejorative disagrees with you.
 
2014-01-16 08:23:54 PM

Beerguy: [wallpapershd3d.com image 850x637]

God bless Clyde Caldwell.


That is one helluva wedgie. And... wait... Is her scabbard strapped to the back of her leg?That seems inconvenient.

Cool dragon, though.
 
2014-01-16 08:26:54 PM
It would make the most sense that shaping armor to a boob size is time consuming and expensive. Best to have it come out a bit further then backfill with padding.  Less hammering involved, but probably very hot temp wise for the wearer.
 
2014-01-16 08:29:09 PM

djkutch: BenJammin: Actual armor women of that time wore.

[freethoughtblogs.com image 408x336]

WTF?

/The anal part would have shaved turds like something for a cake decoration.


Ye olde women must have made tiny little rabbit poops.
 
2014-01-16 08:33:40 PM

VladTheEmailer: Creoena: The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x342]

Or Battle Guinea Pigs...
[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 255x198]

Or battlecats!


img0.etsystatic.com

 
2014-01-16 08:34:06 PM
And to be fair, skimpy armor isn't just represented in medieval armor.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2014-01-16 08:40:14 PM

Beerguy: And to be fair, skimpy armor isn't just represented in medieval armor


Yeah, but don't most of those future, Halo-style armors project some sort of force field? It's not the armor that's protecting you, it's the energy it puts out. You could butt naked with a force-projecting butt plug inserted and get the same benefit if that's the way armor works, so why not wear something flattering.
 
2014-01-16 08:45:16 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: What's the complaint here? That video games don't look like real life?

On a related note, I can't wait for the release of "3rd Floor Cube Farm", I understand that they've realistically implemented flickering fluorescent lights and the snack machine i the break room is its own minigame. Best of 2014, I'm telling you.


It is an older game, but I had some funs back in the day:

http://games.adultswim.com/hrmageddon-puzzle-online-game.html
 
2014-01-16 08:46:43 PM

zzrhardy: The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.


While I'm not a woman who cares about scantily glad characters in video games as I personally choose them if there is that option.  I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too.  It isn't a man's game/genre so to speak anymore.

But really this issue is rarely about the specific game or whatever the medium is.  I think the issue most women have is that women are portrayed like that in all forms of art/media no matter what the genre or target demographic is and it can get tiresome as not only is it saying "every woman looks like this or should look like this" but also that women should be seen as nothing more than sexual objects no matter the situation.  While I know a lot of guys don't give a crap about that as they think it's just the way it is, I'm merely explaining the women's side of things.

/This is a topic that rarely gets my ire anymore so I'm not even sure why I'm commenting in this thread.
 
2014-01-16 08:48:07 PM

Pocket Ninja: Beerguy: And to be fair, skimpy armor isn't just represented in medieval armor

Yeah, but don't most of those future, Halo-style armors project some sort of force field? It's not the armor that's protecting you, it's the energy it puts out. You could butt naked with a force-projecting butt plug inserted and get the same benefit if that's the way armor works, so why not wear something flattering.


Good point.

I was really just looking for a reason to post that pic...for some reason, I kinda like it.
 
2014-01-16 08:48:35 PM
This wikipedia page exists:

List of wartime cross-dressers.

I was trying to find a particular example of a woman who cross-dressed and fought, and I found that.

I think the particular example I was looking for was Hannah Snell.

It's just fortunate they didn't have gays back then. I mean, women and gays on the front lines? How demoralising would that be?
 
2014-01-16 08:49:11 PM
Why are we discussing realistic armor for a fantasy game?

Enjoy, let go.
 
2014-01-16 08:51:33 PM

Spraynard Krueger: VladTheEmailer: Creoena: The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x342]

Or Battle Guinea Pigs...
[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 255x198]

Or battlecats!


I think the thread has already covered armoured pussy.
 
2014-01-16 08:52:47 PM

VladTheEmailer: Spraynard Krueger: VladTheEmailer: Creoena: The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x342]

Or Battle Guinea Pigs...
[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 255x198]

Or battlecats!

I think the thread has already covered armoured pussy.


Barely covered in most cases.
 
2014-01-16 09:03:54 PM

PillsHere: zzrhardy: The sort of games/literature/comics that has skimpily armor clad women is aimed at men generally. Who cares what women think, they aren't the intended target audience.

It's like a guy picking up some romance novel aimed at women - you know with a shirtless Fabio on the front or some shiat, and complaining that all the ultra perfect male protagonists who will literally die if they don't get the girl are unrealistic. Who cares, read/watch/play something else.

Not everything is aimed at everyone, nor should it have to be.

While I'm not a woman who cares about scantily glad characters in video games as I personally choose them if there is that option.  I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too.  It isn't a man's game/genre so to speak anymore.

But really this issue is rarely about the specific game or whatever the medium is.  I think the issue most women have is that women are portrayed like that in all forms of art/media no matter what the genre or target demographic is and it can get tiresome as not only is it saying "every woman looks like this or should look like this" but also that women should be seen as nothing more than sexual objects no matter the situation.  While I know a lot of guys don't give a crap about that as they think it's just the way it is, I'm merely explaining the women's side of things.

/This is a topic that rarely gets my ire anymore so I'm not even sure why I'm commenting in this thread.


Meanwhile, over in the Trace Adkins thread there's a bunch of women talking about how the singing caveman in tight jeans makes them wet.

MY EYES ARE UP HERE, LADY!
 
2014-01-16 09:04:08 PM

ravenlore: VladTheEmailer: Spraynard Krueger: VladTheEmailer: Creoena: The real question is what the battle squirrels were wearing:

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 512x342]

Or Battle Guinea Pigs...
[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 255x198]

Or battlecats!

I think the thread has already covered armoured pussy.

Barely covered in most cases.


Not that there's anything wrong with that..
 
2014-01-16 09:10:27 PM
If I wanted to see the armor women really wore, I'd watch the History channel not Game of Bones.
 
2014-01-16 09:16:52 PM
who the fark cares, everyone likes to look at hot chicks in things that make them look hot
 
2014-01-16 09:19:33 PM

BolloxReader: scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns


Yes, and in the art book and behind-the-scenes DVD the art staff says as much.

[i.imgur.com image 822x1000]

That has always fascinated me. Dragons with four limbs plus wings would have to be in a completely different evolutionary trouser leg than most other beings. They clearly have articulated skeletons, but we have no examples of normally six limbed creatures with articulated skeletons in the real world. There are of course all sorts of multiple limbed critters but not vertebrates. It's easy to point to "magical mutations" like various chimera and driders and the like, but dragons are rarely placed in that category.

I always wonder... where are the rest of the six (or eight) limbed critters that are close relations to dragons? Certainly there would be an entire part of the ecosystem that should be along the same basic architecture-- six limbed vertebrates of natural and ancient pedigree. It could be argued that they are "living fossils" but even with modern living fossils we can find commonalities in basic form with other creatures of more recent origin. They have a place that can be pointed to, where we can say "This is where they forked, and they have continued on successfully."

Wyverns are far easier to explain, morphologically. They make a lot more sense compared to dragons. Scary, flying dinosaur. You can picture that. It makes anatomical sense. You don't need to toss in a bunch of other six or eight limbed vertebrates for verisimilitude. That wyvern? Pure, classical animal.


My hypothesis is that they'd branch off either as a sub-phylum or supra-class, thus making them distinct from reptiles but more closely related than they are to mammals or any other vertebrate.

Now, on the six-legged vertebrate front...  If we're going to talk dragon taxonomy, we may as well include other mythical creatures.  Griffons, hippogriffs, pegasi, sphinxes, and harpies all count as six-limbed vertebrates.  Coincidentally, all of them feature four 'traditional' limbs and a pair of wings as well.
 
2014-01-16 09:22:04 PM
Its ok for females to not have full plate like males.

this is becuase female characters are inherently dextrous.

With all the bonus modifiers to hit them, they can take a pounding with light armors.

I mean look at the dexterity required for this maneuver..
 
2014-01-16 09:22:08 PM
No Casca? Fark, I am disappoint.

img.fark.net

img.fark.net

img.fark.net
She's a proper badass, too. Second in command of the Band of the Hawk, respected and feared by the rest of BotH, and only outclassed as a mercenary by Guts and Griffith.

Berserk is a farking amazing comic. Read it, don't watch. The anime is a shortened version of the story and leaves out critical parts that are important to the later manga story. Skip past the initial few chapters and go right into the Golden Age Saga. It starts at chapter 9.
 
2014-01-16 09:23:48 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?




I don't know what you're complaining about, it's not like young boys could develop a skewed perception of body image from something like that.


oh, holy hell. I was a tween watching that nearly every weekday and I knew that he was not realistic. and I'm not even that smart.
 
2014-01-16 09:25:19 PM
 
2014-01-16 09:27:46 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: No Casca? Fark, I am disappoint.

[img.fark.net image 706x1024]

[img.fark.net image 458x640]

[img.fark.net image 850x799]
She's a proper badass, too. Second in command of the Band of the Hawk, respected and feared by the rest of BotH, and only outclassed as a mercenary by Guts and Griffith.

Berserk is a farking amazing comic. Read it, don't watch. The anime is a shortened version of the story and leaves out critical parts that are important to the later manga story. Skip past the initial few chapters and go right into the Golden Age Saga. It starts at chapter 9.


And if I recall, tentacle-raped to death.

In the meantime, armor in games? It's not about what's Practical. Games aren't "Look at how historically accurate we are", if they were, you'd die of dysentery in Call of Duty. Or never jump off a building into a haybale and walk away from it in Ass Creed. It's an ARTFORM. 

Does that artform objectify its characters? Yes, it does. That's the POINT. And the characters that catch the eye are made to do so for a reason. So that you will notice them more, pay more attention, and follow along better.
 
2014-01-16 09:35:50 PM

PillsHere: I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too


If they were so wildly popular with females, you'd have 50 Shades of Grey Online instead of Wold of Warcraft. Target audience determines the product. If another 20% or less people also like something then it is a bonus but they aren't going to risk alienating the core 80% by markedly changing the product.  Marketers know their shiate, and they work on hard numbers rather than anecdotes or political correctness.

Seriously, if girl gaming was such a huge thing (actual numbers, not anecdotes) we wouldn't even be having this discussion as we would be drowning in "chic games". Actually, we probably would. If 90% of games were aimed at broads, then they would likely still be biatching about the last 10%.

"Age of Conan online has bare breasts! I demand you take this out and put in more shoes... and kitchens, ones you can decorate yourself"
 
2014-01-16 09:38:16 PM

baconbeard: Monkeyhouse Zendo: baconbeard: This is what male armour looked like though, right?


Isn't that because young boys are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality?


Heh the P90X Double-Insanity Face Melter MAN SYSTEM begs to differ with you.
 
2014-01-16 09:38:26 PM

vharshyde: And if I recall, tentacle-raped to death.


***SPOILERS***

Raped, yes. Tenticle, no. Dead, no.

She's alive. She's mentally checked out right now but quite alive. What she went though is enough to mind fark anyone. Hopefully she'll get her mind back eventually.
 
2014-01-16 09:39:25 PM
While I don't object to the various scantily clad women and men being posted, I feel compelled to point out that TFA wasn't about fantasy women in skimpy, barely there armor.  It was about the problems of full armor that includes big sculpted tits on the breastplate, so those pictures of people in loincloths and bikinis and whatall have basically nothing to do with it.
 
2014-01-16 09:52:24 PM
Clearly the awesome skimpy armor is magical, and protects them well. Certainly works some magic on me.

If anything in any fantasy setting sounds crazy, it's easily explained by magic.

Anything in Scifi can be explained by advanced alien technobabble.
 
2014-01-16 09:52:28 PM
img.fark.net

She will part your head from your body and sh*t down your neck.
 
2014-01-16 10:02:36 PM
You Farkers are slipping, this thread needs more armored female cosplayers


spe.fotolog.com

Aribeth
0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com
Morrigan
afantasycometrue.files.wordpress.com

Minsc after equipping the  Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity

fc02.deviantart.net

Aveline
 
2014-01-16 10:41:23 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: No Casca? Fark, I am disappoint.

[img.fark.net image 706x1024]

[img.fark.net image 458x640]

[img.fark.net image 850x799]
She's a proper badass, too. Second in command of the Band of the Hawk, respected and feared by the rest of BotH, and only outclassed as a mercenary by Guts and Griffith.

Berserk is a farking amazing comic. Read it, don't watch. The anime is a shortened version of the story and leaves out critical parts that are important to the later manga story. Skip past the initial few chapters and go right into the Golden Age Saga. It starts at chapter 9.


....And what happens to her again, remind us? Go on, tell us more.
 
2014-01-16 11:29:53 PM

BenJammin: Actual armor women of that time wore.

[freethoughtblogs.com image 408x336]


Her poop would come out like Play-Doh press mold thingies.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-16 11:36:35 PM

RevMark: Her poop would come out like Play-Doh press mold thingies.


why does every Fark thread end up with poop?
 
2014-01-16 11:54:20 PM

rogue49: Why are we discussing realistic armor for a fantasy game?

Enjoy, let go.


It isn't about realism, it's about the message it sends. Think about it: We don't put all male characters on display this way. Their primary value is not being sexy. Their primary value is their capabilities and their personality. The first thing (and sometimes only thing) a woman is judged by is her looks.

It would be nice if female characters in games could really be equal to male characters. After all, our fantasies reflect our internal models.
 
2014-01-17 12:03:48 AM

zzrhardy: PillsHere: I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too

If they were so wildly popular with females, you'd have 50 Shades of Grey Online instead of Wold of Warcraft. Target audience determines the product. If another 20% or less people also like something then it is a bonus but they aren't going to risk alienating the core 80% by markedly changing the product.  Marketers know their shiate, and they work on hard numbers rather than anecdotes or political correctness.

Seriously, if girl gaming was such a huge thing (actual numbers, not anecdotes) we wouldn't even be having this discussion as we would be drowning in "chic games". Actually, we probably would. If 90% of games were aimed at broads, then they would likely still be biatching about the last 10%.

"Age of Conan online has bare breasts! I demand you take this out and put in more shoes... and kitchens, ones you can decorate yourself"


"A new study reports that women make up 45 percent of all gamers and 46 percent of all "habitual video game purchasers." In fact, adult women make up 31 percent of the video game population and boys under 17 only make up 19 percent. And in a study by Magid Advisors of people ages 45 to 64, about 61 percent of women play video games compared with only 57 percent of men. "

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/06/13/actually-about-half-of-gamers- ar e-women/
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2013.pdf
 
2014-01-17 12:17:17 AM

PillsHere: zzrhardy: PillsHere: I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too

If they were so wildly popular with females, you'd have 50 Shades of Grey Online instead of Wold of Warcraft. Target audience determines the product. If another 20% or less people also like something then it is a bonus but they aren't going to risk alienating the core 80% by markedly changing the product.  Marketers know their shiate, and they work on hard numbers rather than anecdotes or political correctness.

Seriously, if girl gaming was such a huge thing (actual numbers, not anecdotes) we wouldn't even be having this discussion as we would be drowning in "chic games". Actually, we probably would. If 90% of games were aimed at broads, then they would likely still be biatching about the last 10%.

"Age of Conan online has bare breasts! I demand you take this out and put in more shoes... and kitchens, ones you can decorate yourself"

"A new study reports that women make up 45 percent of all gamers and 46 percent of all "habitual video game purchasers." In fact, adult women make up 31 percent of the video game population and boys under 17 only make up 19 percent. And in a study by Magid Advisors of people ages 45 to 64, about 61 percent of women play video games compared with only 57 percent of men. "

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/06/13/actually-about-half-of-gamers- ar e-women/
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2013.pdf


Only if you count Candy Crush as a game.
 
2014-01-17 12:50:27 AM

ennuie: rogue49: Why are we discussing realistic armor for a fantasy game?

Enjoy, let go.

It isn't about realism, it's about the message it sends. Think about it: We don't put all male characters on display this way. Their primary value is not being sexy. Their primary value is their capabilities and their personality. The first thing (and sometimes only thing) a woman is judged by is her looks.

It would be nice if female characters in games could really be equal to male characters. After all, our fantasies reflect our internal models.


Usually a male in a skimpy outfit or armor is explain away as a male power fantasy. For example, He-Man in this very thread. Just as skimpy as most chain or plate bikinis, but still.
 
2014-01-17 01:02:04 AM

Nutsac_Jim: PillsHere: zzrhardy: PillsHere: I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too

If they were so wildly popular with females, you'd have 50 Shades of Grey Online instead of Wold of Warcraft. Target audience determines the product. If another 20% or less people also like something then it is a bonus but they aren't going to risk alienating the core 80% by markedly changing the product.  Marketers know their shiate, and they work on hard numbers rather than anecdotes or political correctness.

Seriously, if girl gaming was such a huge thing (actual numbers, not anecdotes) we wouldn't even be having this discussion as we would be drowning in "chic games". Actually, we probably would. If 90% of games were aimed at broads, then they would likely still be biatching about the last 10%.

"Age of Conan online has bare breasts! I demand you take this out and put in more shoes... and kitchens, ones you can decorate yourself"

"A new study reports that women make up 45 percent of all gamers and 46 percent of all "habitual video game purchasers." In fact, adult women make up 31 percent of the video game population and boys under 17 only make up 19 percent. And in a study by Magid Advisors of people ages 45 to 64, about 61 percent of women play video games compared with only 57 percent of men. "

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/06/13/actually-about-half-of-gamers- ar e-women/
http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2013.pdf

Only if you count Candy Crush as a game.


Yep.

I think there's a difference between a 'gamer' who flings birds while on the toilet and someone who spends 30+ hours a week in an MMO.
 
2014-01-17 01:02:43 AM
static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-01-17 01:26:44 AM
This is my friend Tabitha, a LARPer and Cosplayer :)

scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-01-17 02:06:42 AM
Boris (Vallejo) is famous for painting girls in metal bikinis.
img.fark.net
But he gets a pass because the boys weren't wearing much of anything either and it was almost always in a setting where a giant monster was about to be fought.

Girls don't have to be dominatrixes or masculine to wear reasonable armor.  As a matter of fact there's an entire website called  Women Fighters In Reasonable Armor that proves that girls can still be sexy while wearing protection.
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-17 02:36:39 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Only if you count Candy Crush as a game.


rustypouch: Yep.

I think there's a difference between a 'gamer' who flings birds while on the toilet and someone who spends 30+ hours a week in an MMO.


"Usuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business, shared some Xbox 360 stats during the conference in Southern California yesterday.  Mehdi said that 38 percent of Xbox users are women."

http://www.geekwire.com/2013/dudes-38-xbox-users-female-51-kids/

"A 2010 study by the Entertainment Software Association had found that the percentage of women playing online had risen to 42%, up several percent since 2004. The same 2010 study showed that 46% of game purchasers were female, and this figure increased to 48% by 2012"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games

It's probably increased since then.

"Much of that is due to the growing popularity of social and mobile games like "Angry Birds," "Farmville," "Minecraft," and "Candy Crush" - addictive casual games that can be played on smartphones or tablets and don't require a heavy commitment of tens of hours to play. More than half of all social and mobile gamers are women, according to industry research firm EEDAR, but surprisingly as many as 30% of women play more violent games like "Halo," the group found. "Call of Duty" counts around 20% femme players, while "Grand Theft Auto" is around 15% for the whole franchise, their creators say. "

http://variety.com/2013/digital/features/womengamers1200683299-12006 83 299/

So yes women do play a lot of casual games like Candy Crush, but those demographics are changing.  I mean just looking at the studies between the 80's and 2013 there are huge changes and increases.

However, if we go to the original example of WoW, from 2009:

"Here's an interesting bit of info from the Nielsen folks: over 400,000 women are playing World of Warcraft in the US, which means it's the most-played "core" game for that gender. And even more interesting, females 25 years or older make up the largest block of PC game players overall, and they account for 54.6% of all gameplay minutes in December of last year. Girls don't just play  WoW -- they're quickly becoming one of it's main demographics. "

"males still make up a huge part of the PC gaming audience, many of them have now moved on to consoles, and women (especially older women, over 25), during the last month of last year, are making up a huge audience for PC games. Later in the report, you can see what kinds of games women are really playing:  Solitare, Freecell, Minesweeper, and all of those other little attention grabbers on every PC. But among those widespread casual games is our own  World of Warcraft. And while the 25-52 male audience of 675, 713 for that game still remains larger than the female audience in the same demo, the ladies aren't far behind. "

http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-ga me -by-25-54-females/

So in short, the demographics have changed significantly since the beginning of the last console generation, the invention of smart phones, and the rise in popularity of MMO's.  I'm not saying we're the majority, but we also aren't exclusively playing Candy Crash and Angry Birds.

/I only care so much because I'm a game designer and a female gamer who plays almost every genre and platform.  I know I'm not typical, but it's important to me to know who's playing what.  Plus I know so many women who play such a variety of games this topic always makes me laugh when I hear "women don't play real games."
/Meh not that I'm going to convince any farkers anything they don't already believe.
 
2014-01-17 02:52:51 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-17 03:30:54 AM

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 850x452]


This is WoW.
img174.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-17 04:06:59 AM
if you're going to wear armor, wear armor that actually provides protection from blades and maybe arrows.
 
2014-01-17 04:13:10 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: No Casca? Fark, I am disappoint.

Berserk is a farking amazing comic. Read it, don't watch. The anime is a shortened version of the story and leaves out critical parts that are important to the later manga story. Skip past the initial few chapters and go right into the Golden Age Saga. It starts at chapter 9.


Caska hasn't been in armor for what? 15 years now?  Tell Miura to stop taking 3 month breaks between chapters so that she can get back to armor before he dies of old age.
 
2014-01-17 04:48:01 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-17 04:49:20 AM

Mouser: Evans points to the tale of Margaret of Beverley, a woman who did indeed participate in the defense of Jerusalem while the city was under siege by Saladin during the Third Crusade.  Margaret's brother wrote that she wore a cooking pot on her head while she brought water to the men on the walls. Although her behavior is described as man-like, and Evans notes that it seems entirely plausible that anyone might find a cooking pot a handy piece of armor in a siege, he wonders if Margaret's headgear was invented to make her seem more womanly, or to create an absurd visual of a woman in war, using a woman's tools to defend herself.

I don't know about you, but I'd think twice about going up against someone wearing a pot on their head and armed with an assortment of kitchen knives and other potentially lethal cookware.


jolstatic.fr
 
2014-01-17 05:02:51 AM
I have trouble taking an article seriously that uses the term "platemail". Saying platemail is like using a term like "standard automatic transmission". Plate is plate, and mail is mail. You might have mail reinforced with solid plates at vulnerable areas, or, conversely, a plate harness with mail covering up various spots which opened up as you moved, but historically "platemail" was a term invented by 19th century writers, as was "chainmail".
 
2014-01-17 06:26:26 AM

cynicalbastard: I have trouble taking an article seriously that uses the term "platemail". Saying platemail is like using a term like "standard automatic transmission". Plate is plate, and mail is mail. You might have mail reinforced with solid plates at vulnerable areas, or, conversely, a plate harness with mail covering up various spots which opened up as you moved, but historically "platemail" was a term invented by 19th century writers, as was "chainmail".


I almost bit. Nice.
 
2014-01-17 08:34:50 AM

Beerguy: And to be fair, skimpy armor isn't just represented in medieval armor.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 717x960]


Quit playing in your armour and clean up that mess, then make me a sandwich.
 
2014-01-17 09:39:50 AM

ZeroCorpse: Yes. And male warriors are always depicted in full-body covering, of course. . .

...
Sorry, but this complaint just needs to stop. It's called the FANTASY genre for a reason.


Should I point out that there's many real cases where men would go into battle bare-chested (usually a cultural thing, though if you were one of those cultures, chances are you were soon to be slaughtered by Romans)... but none where women would?

Those representations of shirtless males at least have some serious basis in history (as they're usually the "barbarian" sort, ie., Conan).
Of course, this was by no means common, but it did happen.
 
2014-01-17 09:49:22 AM

stuffy: If I wanted to see the armor women really wore, I'd watch the History channel not Game of Bones.


Seriously?

I wouldn't put my money on the History Channel in that matchup.

/unless it's gotten a lot less shiatty in the last few years without me noticing it
 
2014-01-17 09:52:53 AM

zzrhardy: PillsHere: I would like to say that fantasy games are wildly popular with women too

If they were so wildly popular with females, you'd have 50 Shades of Grey Online instead of Wold of Warcraft. Target audience determines the product. If another 20% or less people also like something then it is a bonus but they aren't going to risk alienating the core 80% by markedly changing the product.  Marketers know their shiate, and they work on hard numbers rather than anecdotes or political correctness.


You're adorable.
 
2014-01-17 09:57:52 AM

cynicalbastard: I have trouble taking an article seriously that uses the term "platemail". Saying platemail is like using a term like "standard automatic transmission". Plate is plate, and mail is mail. You might have mail reinforced with solid plates at vulnerable areas, or, conversely, a plate harness with mail covering up various spots which opened up as you moved, but historically "platemail" was a term invented by 19th century writers, as was "chainmail".


Ah, there it is...the medieval equivalent of the modern clip/magazine argument.

Bless you guys for trying, but I think you're fighting losing battles there.
 
2014-01-17 10:01:40 AM

scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns

[i.imgur.com image 822x1000]


The Oriental 4-legged wingless dragon would like a word with you.

/not sure how it flies w/o wings, but it seems to manage...
 
2014-01-17 10:05:23 AM

nymersic: ZeroCorpse: Yes. And male warriors are always depicted in full-body covering, of course. . .

...
Sorry, but this complaint just needs to stop. It's called the FANTASY genre for a reason.

Should I point out that there's many real cases where men would go into battle bare-chested (usually a cultural thing, though if you were one of those cultures, chances are you were soon to be slaughtered by Romans)... but none where women would?

Those representations of shirtless males at least have some serious basis in history (as they're usually the "barbarian" sort, ie., Conan).
Of course, this was by no means common, but it did happen.


I didn't realize Conan was historically accurate...
 
2014-01-17 11:18:25 AM

baconbeard: I didn't realize Conan was historically accurate...


Har har.  No, the idea of the "barbarian horde" rushing into battle shirtless (perhaps naked) isn't something mythical, and it's these sorts of guys that inspired the shirtless barbarian warrior fantasy archetype.  My point is it's really not entirely fantastical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_warfare
Obviously the "berserkers" were famous for this, but I see mentioned in that the Helvetii, which I think I remember hearing that Caesar mentioned in his Commentaries went into battle shirtless, or something like that.  I'm sure there were dozens of tribes for whom this was the standard.

There's nothing like this in history that supports women wearing skimpy armor though, obviously, so there's a real difference between the two.
 
2014-01-17 12:18:05 PM
Plenty of skimpy outfits for dudes.  Another example...

www.trueachievements.com
 
2014-01-17 01:02:34 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Darwinian dragons probably evolved from a common ancestor with really large shoulder blades.


Their forelimbs wouldn't work if the shoulder blades were themselves articulable.  Nothing for the deltoids and lats to anchor to.  So, no, that's an evolutionary pathway to vestigial, not functional forelegs.

That's always bugged me about angels, they would need an entirely extra set of skeletal processes for the musculature that articulates the wings, and there's just no place for that on the torso.

But, you know, miracles and such like...

I mean, it has to be miraculous, how else could these poor bastards get around?

media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-17 01:23:35 PM
I may not know much about armor, but

mimg.ugo.com

webspace.webring.com

Show some love for the classics.  Okay, HM2K wasn't that great, but Taarna can wipe her sword on my corpse anytime she likes.  Wait, that sounds dirty.  And my point?  I don't know, I think Taarna just killed it.
 
2014-01-17 01:38:58 PM

Shadi: RevMark: Her poop would come out like Play-Doh press mold thingies.

why does every Fark thread end up with poop?


it's a chastity belt (note holes at the waist to lock it on... would you rather think about star-shaped poop or what would happen to someone who tried to get it on with the woman wearing it?
 
2014-01-17 02:50:38 PM

Ghastly: [fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 850x680]


Wondering why the woman is labelled "Unrealistic Body Image"?

Seems like its easier to find regular (i.e. non porn) women that have body shapes that are closer that look than a regular guy looking like the dude warrior.
 
2014-01-17 03:52:29 PM

PunGent: scottydoesntknow: Corvus: What my video games are unrealistic??!?!?

Next thing they'll tell me the dragons in Skyrim aren't like actual real dragons!!!

Heh, ummmm they actually aren't real dragons. They're Wyverns

[i.imgur.com image 822x1000]

The Oriental 4-legged wingless dragon would like a word with you.

/not sure how it flies w/o wings, but it seems to manage...


animated-views.com
Smoke and mirrors = Fireworks and kites.
 
2014-01-17 04:45:40 PM

Deucednuisance: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Darwinian dragons probably evolved from a common ancestor with really large shoulder blades.

Their forelimbs wouldn't work if the shoulder blades were themselves articulable.  Nothing for the deltoids and lats to anchor to.  So, no, that's an evolutionary pathway to vestigial, not functional forelegs.

That's always bugged me about angels, they would need an entirely extra set of skeletal processes for the musculature that articulates the wings, and there's just no place for that on the torso.

But, you know, miracles and such like...

I mean, it has to be miraculous, how else could these poor bastards get around?

[media.tumblr.com image 500x373]


Heh... chon chons.
 
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