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2014-01-16 06:01:01 PM

mungo: To those saying, 'good, he was an evil murderer' - the point of all this isn't really whether his suffering was 'just' but what killing him makes of us - if you are going to have a death penalty then either it should be done clinically without point, more like pest control. If we start getting lax and saying, 'well, 15 minutes of chemically induced weatherboarding to death isn't so bad' then we take a step closer to being like the pitiless a55hole who was just executed. We shouldn't be complacent and let that happen to ourselves.


But your post IS a good idea that you don't have a clue what the hell you're talking about, and your opinion on the objection you raised is based on ignorance about the topic at hand.
 
2014-01-16 06:02:26 PM

hardinparamedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: All practical reasons aside, execution is not a power I want vested in the state. It's the institutionalization of barbarism I object to the most. The practical stuff is just icing on the cake. Even if this was the whitest richest best defended fark ever, and even though there was even an admission, the existence of the death penalty is objectionable. And again, there is the ADDITIONAL SECONDARY issue that if the death penalty is ok in any situation, it will inevitably be used in a wrongful situation.

No, I granted that you were entitled to your personal opinion on the matter.

I just happen not to agree or share your opinion beyond the need for serious and honest reform.


That's something I imagine we can all agree on, at least at a minimum for people who want it abolished.  This guy was guilty as fark.  But the system still needs reform.
 
2014-01-16 06:02:30 PM

Rreal: Punishment as deterrent simply doesn't work, anybody who's been spanked for stealing a cookie from the jar knows this.      The fact that there are still thefts in saudi arabia where such will get your hand chopped off, or rapes which will get your pecker chopped off prove this.

This then, leaves but 2 reasons for the death penalty,  punishment of the guilty and the enjoyment of those watching/performing the punishment.   Consider the witch trials of the past where the gruesome "tests" where the innocent were expected to die,

This was common knowledge, as was the fact that many people were accusing someone of being a witch purely because the accusation alone meant the person would die.  Yet still the trials went on.

This not a good enough defense,  let me close with a passage from my favorite book

"Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them?  Do not be so quick to pass out death in judgement, for even the very wise cannot see all ends."


This is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. To say that punishment is not a deterrent, you are an absolute moron. In most cases, it is. The only thing stopping most of us apes from doing whatever we please are the consequences that await us should we do them. Do you know how many times I had to be spanked to not talk back to my Mom? Once. My Dad made sure that I knew I had crossed a line. Did I talk back after that? Some, but quickly I was reminded of that line and quickly did I stop immediately pushing that boundary because I knew what the consequences were.

To equate with trials and pure circumstantial evidence to how the Death Penalty is currently employed is further, mind-boggling-pants-on-head retarded. You cannot walk into a court of law, accuse your nemesis of killing someone and he is immediately put to death.

Your silly quote also is a common-sense guideline. We should always not be quick to pass death out as judgement, but to say that there is no way we can be sure someone has committed a crime in order to be put to death is false. When you have mounds of forensic evidence corroborated by admission of guilt - it is pretty safe to say that person is guilty of the crime they are being accused of. In order for someone to be given the Death Penalty, I would expect a tremendous amount and quality of evidence, not some dude or DNA test telling me someone is guilty.
 
2014-01-16 06:04:00 PM

WTFDYW: Gee. I wonder how long the pregnant woman had to suffer at his hands before she punched the clock? I guess that doesn't matter to the FARK.com brigade huh?


So great, everything worked out: the guy is dead, and the state of Ohio and all of their residents have lowered themselves to his level.  Congratulations to all.
 
2014-01-16 06:05:00 PM

theBigBigEye: Dr Jack Badofsky: TheShavingofOccam123: QFTA:

A federal judge sided with the state but acknowledged the new method was an experiment.

Please have this judge removed from the bench. This is an idiot. A cruel, nasty idiot.

I dunno.  Depends on who they were experimenting on.  Was it a worst-of-the-worst pedophile?  Par for the course.  Went on a serial-killing spree?  Welcome to the "Serial Killer Victim Experience".  Kidnapped / tortured / raped people?  My sympathy meter just broke Trying to register lower than it was able to.  Not feeling very sorry at all for people on death row, especially when the evidence is overwhelmingly proof that they indeed were heinous individuals.  Ted Bundy, for example.  Don't let his looks and charisma fool you.  That's an unrepentant, cold, sadistic, devious person.  Not fixable, and not worth the oxygen he breathed.

Please have this judge kept on his bench forever. We need people like him (along with the repeal of the Eighth Amendment).

And anyone with a criminal record should be put to death, no matter how minor it is. Any kind of blemished, imperfect record should = DIEDIEDIEDIEDIE!!!!


Oh, and your comment about the 8th amendment was just, really ridiculous.  You do know that, right?  Well, you do now.
 
2014-01-16 06:05:43 PM

udhq: So great, everything worked out: the guy is dead, and the state of Ohio and all of their residents have lowered themselves to his level.  Congratulations to all.


He was pregnant, and the state stabbed him methodically and repeatedly until he died of profound hemorrhagic shock, and all the pain and horror that it induces?

That's abhorrent!

Think about this man next time you take your beloved family pet to the vet to be put down. You MURDERING MURDERER!
 
2014-01-16 06:05:50 PM

The Fett: Yellow Beard: I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.

I find it fascinating that the people who support the death penalty by and large are anti-abortion with the justification that, "all life is sacred"


I'm not totally anti-abortion. Abortion as a matter of convenience is the part I find disgusting. To save the mother's life, sure. Rape victim, sure. You bang everybody in sight and realize you aren't quite ready for motherhood at 6 months? Nope

Rape and kill a woman that is 8 months preggers, actually anally rape her because her belly with the baby in it got in the way, then stab her. You deserve the worst possible death that can be implemented on your rabid animal arse
 
2014-01-16 06:06:20 PM

DarkVader: You know what they do in Russia?


Putin personally hunts you for sport while riding on shark-back?
 
2014-01-16 06:07:52 PM
What a shame. He only raped a woman who was 8 months pregnant and then killed her. If he suffers for 15 minutes, I'm supposed to break out a violin? I think not.
 
2014-01-16 06:08:04 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Yellow Beard: dameron: I find it fascinating that the people who think the government has too much power and is incompetent are by and large huge supporters of the death penalty.

One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world.  Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.

I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.

They will probably think that enlightened people thought women were more than factories or property to be controlled by the state. And that women should decide when and if they are to give birth and not some body of legislators or a handful of old men who have never been pregnant.


so killing innocent babies=good. Killing a guy that anally raped and then killed a woman that was 8 months preggers=bad. got it
 
2014-01-16 06:08:04 PM

optimus_grime: if you want vengeance, you need to take it, don't pass off your responsibilities to some government.


Citizens cede the natural human right to seek vengeance to the government.  Amateur mob justice is prone to error and is not evenly applied.  Government offers professional-grade justice administered by that were not themselves victims in the case.  Justice is a key part of the Social Contract.  Try reading some Hobbes, Locke or Rousseau.  Good stuff!
 
2014-01-16 06:09:01 PM

jshine: DarkVader: You know what they do in Russia?

Putin personally hunts you for sport while riding on shark-back?


I seriously hope the SyFy channel writers are reading this right now. Communists + Sharks. That could be a whole new genre.
 
2014-01-16 06:13:41 PM

hardinparamedic: TheWhoppah: hardinparamedic: [...] The purpose of the death penalty is to remove someone who's actions, beyond a reasonable doubt, are so heinous that society can no longer tolerate their existence. Nothing more, nothing less.

Bzzzt.  Wrong.  That is one reason but it is not the only reason.  Another is to exhibit our disgust with killers.  To show that they are subhuman and that their lives mean nothing.  We pile our collective need for vengeance for all our grievances onto the killers and then execute them.  They are scapegoats in the ancient sense of the word and we are cleansed by their blood.

I see my sociopath tag for you is well founded


You are defending a killer and narrowly defining everyone else's right to justice and yet I am the sociopath.  Do you enjoy calling other people names?  Neener neener neener?  Am I doing it right?
 
2014-01-16 06:16:26 PM

hardinparamedic: udhq: So great, everything worked out: the guy is dead, and the state of Ohio and all of their residents have lowered themselves to his level.  Congratulations to all.

He was pregnant, and the state stabbed him methodically and repeatedly until he died of profound hemorrhagic shock, and all the pain and horror that it induces?

That's abhorrent!

Think about this man next time you take your beloved family pet to the vet to be put down. You MURDERING MURDERER!


Putting a pet down?  Hell, next time he steps on an insect.  (yes I know that's silly, but how different is it really?)
 
2014-01-16 06:16:29 PM

hardinparamedic: udhq: So great, everything worked out: the guy is dead, and the state of Ohio and all of their residents have lowered themselves to his level.  Congratulations to all.

He was pregnant, and the state stabbed him methodically and repeatedly until he died of profound hemorrhagic shock, and all the pain and horror that it induces?

That's abhorrent!

Think about this man next time you take your beloved family pet to the vet to be put down. You MURDERING MURDERER!


You're right, criminals should be tortured according to the severity of the crime they committed, because, hey man, it's the 1500s and we're still a nation of morally underdeveloped animals!

And PS, if a vet tortured a dog for 15 minutes before putting him under, that vet would go to prison.
 
2014-01-16 06:17:38 PM

TheWhoppah: You are defending a killer and narrowly defining everyone else's right to justice and yet I am the sociopath. Do you enjoy calling other people names? Neener neener neener? Am I doing it right?


You're both defending killers.
 
2014-01-16 06:25:34 PM
lest you all think that capital punishment is not a deterrent, let me assure you that if there were no laws or punishments in place, I know that I personally would be in someones house tonight taking the stuff I wanted. I have no moral compunction to stop myself, and it is only the fear of being captured and punished that stops me from pulling you out of your car and taking it for a joyride. Maybe you pride yourself on your self control, but I know what I am. I am the guy that would take advantage of society if not stopped. So...before you say it doesn't prevent horrible crimes, know that I, and thousands of others, are not taking actions just because we don't want to be in prison or executed.
 
2014-01-16 06:26:06 PM

TheWhoppah: You are defending a killer and narrowly defining everyone else's right to justice and yet I am the sociopath.  Do you enjoy calling other people names?  Neener neener neener?  Am I doing it right?

No, actually, I'm going to go with you're just trolling the thread considering how over the top you are. Or mentally ill. It's either ONE or the other.

udhq: You're right, criminals should be tortured according to the severity of the crime they committed, because, hey man, it's the 1500s and we're still a nation of morally underdeveloped animals!


Being under tripping-balls levels of versed and hydromorphone is not torture. Agonal, biological chemoreceptor-driven reflexes not under conscious control are not torture. Ironically, this is the same cocktail that is used for assisted suicide in countries which it is legal in. Are they being tortured?

udhq: And PS, if a vet tortured a dog for 15 minutes before putting him under, that vet would go to prison.


Which is interesting, because a dog put down with the same type of medication will elicit the same type of reaction.

udhq: You're both defending killers.


And you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2014-01-16 06:27:04 PM
To those citing that the death penalty is barbaric and uncivilized, knock it off. Your life without parole isn't morally superior. Either way you look at it, you are condemning someone to death and neither are natural deaths.
 
2014-01-16 06:27:24 PM
Reading the meds used to put this guy down, I'm...not impressed.  This wasn't cruel or unusual.  I've had both hydromorphone and midazolam before.

Dude got put down with, to simplify it severely, valium and super strong morphine.  He didn't feel a thing, and had the best buzz of his life till he passed out.
 
2014-01-16 06:27:52 PM

lennavan: angry bunny: Of course in all other crimes we also have the victims/families set the punishment... Oh wait that never freaking happens!

Well if by never freaking happens you mean happens all the goddamn time, then sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_impact_statement



They don't pick the punishment.  they don't set the mandatory minimum for a crime.  they make a statement in court about how this effected them and why the JUDGE should or should not impose a particular sentence.  So I mean yeah that does obviously mean they set the punishment.  What happens in reality is they get to vent to feel better than the judge uses the law and mitigating and aggravating factors to set a sentence in line with what they believe is reasonable
 
2014-01-16 06:30:05 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Your life without parole isn't morally superior.


People get the moral superiority of not directly causing someone to die, rather just letting them rot in a eight by eleven cell with only one hour a day for exercise for the rest of their natural lives.

Which, mind you, IS NOT TORTURE! Don't you dare suggest it is, you murdering murderer!
 
2014-01-16 06:30:56 PM
Don't feel like weighing in on the moral and ethical aspects of execution today but as far as methods go I think they should start using Nitrogen or Helium gas asphyxiation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation
 
2014-01-16 06:36:26 PM

Dirtybird971: I think a bullet behind the ear should the SOP. Cheap, easy, and plenty of people in prisons who would do it for an extra tray at dinner.

If there is any travesty here it's the forgotten pain, anguish, and fear a woman felt as she was raped, beaten, and murdered. While pregnant with child. FFFFFF*ck this animal. SHE is the victim, not him.


I oppose the death penalty on all levels, but this, I think, is my strongest reason. HE should not be the center of attention. HE should not be a martyr. HE should not be pitied. HE should not have anyone fighting to save his life. HE should not be a celebrity. He should be locked up and forgotten. Done. Let's spend our effort remembering her life. Comforting her family. Doing good works in her name.

I f*cking HATE HATE HATE how the death row inmates become the story, not the victims. F*ck them. Forget them.
 
2014-01-16 06:36:37 PM

hardinparamedic: the money is in the banana stand: Your life without parole isn't morally superior.

People get the moral superiority of not directly causing someone to die, rather just letting them rot in a eight by eleven cell with only one hour a day for exercise for the rest of their natural lives.

Which, mind you, IS NOT TORTURE! Don't you dare suggest it is, you murdering murderer!



Is it your thought that the only available options are cramming people into a cell for the rest of their life or killing them?  Because, yeah you know, if you only posit two choices that are equally crappy and then say, see you can't make a moral selection between the two so the death penalty is valid, that's a pretty crappy rhetorical technique.  In summary your argument is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2014-01-16 06:36:54 PM

the money is in the banana stand: To those citing that the death penalty is barbaric and uncivilized, knock it off. Your life without parole isn't morally superior. Either way you look at it, you are condemning someone to death and neither are natural deaths.


The advantage of LWOP is that when the offender dies, he is not made into a martyr courtesy of the State of Ohio and the Huffington Post.  Nor is his crime publicized.
 
2014-01-16 06:37:29 PM
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2014-01-16 06:39:52 PM

angry bunny: Is it your thought that the only available options are cramming people into a cell for the rest of their life or killing them?  Because, yeah you know, if you only posit two choices that are equally crappy and then say, see you can't make a moral selection between the two so the death penalty is valid, that's a pretty crappy rhetorical technique.  In summary your argument is bad and you should feel bad.


Not at all. I'm lampshading and openly mocking your idea that there should be black and white tolerance for the most heinous, unreasonable, and un-rehabilitatable individuals who comment monstrous acts of inhumanity against their fellow person, and that throwing them in a prison for X-number of years serves society justice, instead of just serving to alleviate your personal issues with the grey and grey morality of the matter.

I can make a moral selection for the death penalty for some people, because as a society we shouldn't have to justify or tolerate their continued existence for their crimes, which had no mitigating factors or circumstances worth a less severe sentence.
 
2014-01-16 06:40:37 PM

tirob: the money is in the banana stand: To those citing that the death penalty is barbaric and uncivilized, knock it off. Your life without parole isn't morally superior. Either way you look at it, you are condemning someone to death and neither are natural deaths.

The advantage of LWOP is that when the offender dies, he is not made into a martyr courtesy of the State of Ohio and the Huffington Post.  Nor is his crime publicized.


That is an interesting comment. I don't disagree with LWOP in lieu of the Death Penalty, however, I would assume that the Death Penalty would give the surviving family members or victims closure. Thankfully, I haven't been given the opportunity to know if this is true or not, but I would imagine it to be. Granted, this isn't the strongest argument for the Death Penalty.
 
2014-01-16 06:40:45 PM

hardinparamedic: TheWhoppah: You are defending a killer and narrowly defining everyone else's right to justice and yet I am the sociopath.  Do you enjoy calling other people names?  Neener neener neener?  Am I doing it right?

No, actually, I'm going to go with you're just trolling the thread considering how over the top you are. Or mentally ill. It's either ONE or the other.

udhq: You're right, criminals should be tortured according to the severity of the crime they committed, because, hey man, it's the 1500s and we're still a nation of morally underdeveloped animals!

Being under tripping-balls levels of versed and hydromorphone is not torture. Agonal, biological chemoreceptor-driven reflexes not under conscious control are not torture. Ironically, this is the same cocktail that is used for assisted suicide in countries which it is legal in. Are they being tortured?

udhq: And PS, if a vet tortured a dog for 15 minutes before putting him under, that vet would go to prison.

Which is interesting, because a dog put down with the same type of medication will elicit the same type of reaction.

udhq: You're both defending killers.

And you have no idea what you're talking about.


Know how I know you didn't read the article?

I'll give you a hint:  The judge himself acknowledged that the execution was to be a deadly medical experiment on an non-consenting human subject.  Germans were executed for far less.

Read up on Unit 731 before you continue running your mouth off that the state should be allowed to run deadly medical experiments without consent on the "right" kind of person.
 
2014-01-16 06:41:03 PM

udhq: WTFDYW: Gee. I wonder how long the pregnant woman had to suffer at his hands before she punched the clock? I guess that doesn't matter to the FARK.com brigade huh?

So great, everything worked out: the guy is dead, and the state of Ohio and all of their residents have lowered themselves to his level.  Congratulations to all.


No.  He killed someone worthy of life.  The state of Ohio killed someone not worthy of life.
 
2014-01-16 06:43:45 PM

udhq: Know how I know you didn't read the article?

I'll give you a hint:  The judge himself acknowledged that the execution was to be a deadly medical experiment on an non-consenting human subject.  Germans were executed for far less.

Read up on Unit 731 before you continue running your mouth off that the state should be allowed to run deadly medical experiments without consent on the "right" kind of person.


Yeah, I know all about Unit 731.

Killing someone with Versed and Dilaudid is not a "medical experiment". It's something that causes nurses, Paramedics, and doctors to lose their licenses every year for when they kill their patients through incompetence. It's also not torture, or inhumane.

You have an argument on moral grounds against the death penalty, and I would even grant that to you. If you stuck to that, rather than going into full potato crap about "medical experiments" and "torture", you might get some serious conversation rather than people pointing out how stupid you sound.
 
2014-01-16 06:45:07 PM
Can't get any cheaper than a good old fashioned stoning. We should consider it.
 
2014-01-16 06:49:50 PM

kling_klang_bed: Can't get any cheaper than a good old fashioned stoning. We should consider it.


You could always go with the Idi Amin method. Fifteen men in a pit. Throw in one hatchet. Last man alive goes home. That's one way to slake a thirst for killing.
 
2014-01-16 06:50:26 PM

Banned on the Run: udhq: WTFDYW: Gee. I wonder how long the pregnant woman had to suffer at his hands before she punched the clock? I guess that doesn't matter to the FARK.com brigade huh?

So great, everything worked out: the guy is dead, and the state of Ohio and all of their residents have lowered themselves to his level.  Congratulations to all.

No.  He killed someone worthy of life.  The state of Ohio killed someone not worthy of life.


And you're not at all worried that people like yourself feel entitled to decide who is and who isn't worthy of life?

I'm sure he made a very similar calculation towards his victim.
 
2014-01-16 06:50:38 PM
hardinparamedic:
Not at all. I'm lampshading and openly mocking your idea that there should be black and white tolerance for the most heinous, unreasonable, and un-rehabilitatable individuals who comment monstrous acts of inhumanity against their fellow person, and that throwing them in a prison for X-number of years serves society justice, instead of just serving to alleviate your personal issues with the grey and grey morality of the matter.

I can make a moral selection for the death penalty for some people, because as a society we shouldn't have to justify or tolerate their continued existence for their crimes, which had no mitigating factors or circumstances worth a less severe sentence.


How is not killing someone for their act tolerance of their act?  How is segregating that person from society with no possibility of reentering society not achieving your goal?  In short what makes killing them preferable?  My answer to the question simply is it isn't.  Whaddya got?
 
2014-01-16 06:52:36 PM

angry bunny: hardinparamedic: the money is in the banana stand: Your life without parole isn't morally superior.

People get the moral superiority of not directly causing someone to die, rather just letting them rot in a eight by eleven cell with only one hour a day for exercise for the rest of their natural lives.

Which, mind you, IS NOT TORTURE! Don't you dare suggest it is, you murdering murderer!


Is it your thought that the only available options are cramming people into a cell for the rest of their life or killing them?  Because, yeah you know, if you only posit two choices that are equally crappy and then say, see you can't make a moral selection between the two so the death penalty is valid, that's a pretty crappy rhetorical technique.  In summary your argument is bad and you should feel bad.


It isn't making an argument that the death penalty is valid, it is making an argument that LWOP is not morally superior. LWOP may be superior from an accuracy stand-point and due to it being an impermanent form of punishment, those sentence to LWOP could be absolved of a crime should new information or evidence be brought to light that they are innocent of the crimes accused and convicted of. How many people were given LWOP sentences, only to die in prison and later, either posthumously, or otherwise, be shown to be innocent?
 
2014-01-16 06:55:29 PM
Raped and murdered and  8month pregnant woman.

Convicted,
DNA confirmation later,
Admitted the crime

This is the type of iron clad case the death penalty should be used for and swiftly.

Not a fan of intentionally causing harm but I could give a fark less if this person had to experience a bit of the horrifying experience of dying before he went.
 
2014-01-16 06:56:59 PM

hardinparamedic: You have an argument on moral grounds against the death penalty, and I would even grant that to you. If you stuck to that, rather than going into full potato crap about "medical experiments" and "torture", you might get some serious conversation rather than people pointing out how stupid you sound.


Once again, you're clearly running your mouth off without having read the article, where the judge himself admitted that this was a non-consenting medical experiment on a human subject.

You don't know the level of suffering he went through.  And even if he was minimally conscious of it, HIS EXECUTION TOOK 15 FARKING MINUTES.  That's a major human rights abuse in and of itself, and I can't help but get chills at people like you who are ok with abuses of human rights, as long as they are done to what you judge to be the right subset of people.
 
2014-01-16 06:59:14 PM

angry bunny: hardinparamedic:
Not at all. I'm lampshading and openly mocking your idea that there should be black and white tolerance for the most heinous, unreasonable, and un-rehabilitatable individuals who comment monstrous acts of inhumanity against their fellow person, and that throwing them in a prison for X-number of years serves society justice, instead of just serving to alleviate your personal issues with the grey and grey morality of the matter.

I can make a moral selection for the death penalty for some people, because as a society we shouldn't have to justify or tolerate their continued existence for their crimes, which had no mitigating factors or circumstances worth a less severe sentence.

How is not killing someone for their act tolerance of their act?  How is segregating that person from society with no possibility of reentering society not achieving your goal?  In short what makes killing them preferable?  My answer to the question simply is it isn't.  Whaddya got?


What makes segregating that person from society morally superior? How would you propose the person segregated be treated?
 
2014-01-16 07:01:12 PM

IRQ12: Not a fan of intentionally causing harm but I could give a fark less if this person had to experience a bit of the horrifying experience of dying before he went.


Then why not use the iron maiden, the bronze bull, or the pear of anguish?  He's a murderer, who cares how grizzly his death is?

At some point, it's not all about him, but about what kind of society and what kind of people we want to be.
 
2014-01-16 07:03:51 PM

udhq: Banned on the Run: udhq: WTFDYW: Gee. I wonder how long the pregnant woman had to suffer at his hands before she punched the clock? I guess that doesn't matter to the FARK.com brigade huh?

So great, everything worked out: the guy is dead, and the state of Ohio and all of their residents have lowered themselves to his level.  Congratulations to all.

No.  He killed someone worthy of life.  The state of Ohio killed someone not worthy of life.

And you're not at all worried that people like yourself feel entitled to decide who is and who isn't worthy of life?

I'm sure he made a very similar calculation towards his victim.


Did you read the facts of the case?  If you think there is no difference between the value of his life and his victim's, then I can't help you.
If you lack the ability to make a moral judgment or to tell the difference between right and wrong, I'd like to know what city you're in so I can stay away.  You are as sociopathic as the murderer.
 
2014-01-16 07:05:27 PM
Eye for an eye. Yeah!!!

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2014-01-16 07:06:31 PM

angry bunny: In short what makes killing them preferable?  My answer to the question simply is it isn't.  Whaddya got?


Yes, It is.
 
2014-01-16 07:09:59 PM

udhq: Then why not use the iron maiden, the bronze bull, or the pear of anguish?  He's a murderer, who cares how grizzly his death is?


Now your talkin' with your thinkin' cap on.  The warden should have a big grizzly bear on a chain.  He should put the bear in the cell with the condemned man.  That would be perfect!

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-01-16 07:10:41 PM

udhq: You don't know the level of suffering he went through.


Ah, but I do. Because I know how versed and hydromorphone works. Something you clearly have no clue about, since you keep arguing that he "suffered".

udhq: And even if he was minimally conscious of it, HIS EXECUTION TOOK 15 FARKING MINUTES.


And that's the thing: he wasn't conscious. His body was on autonomic autopilot. Any consciousness or awareness was obliterated the moment the  ASSLOAD OF VERSED AND DILAUDIDcrossed his blood-brain barrier and shut down his higher nervous system functions. Everything that was witnessed was not his desperate, conscious attempt at hanging on to life, it was his body's basic reflexes towards losing muscle control of his airway and carbon dioxide buildup in his blood. To be quite frank: his death was far more humane than even your beloved family pet would get

udhq: Once again, you're clearly running your mouth off without having read the article, where the judge himself admitted that this was a non-consenting medical experiment on a human subject.


I'll be quite frank with you. I honestly don't care what you or the judge says. There was nothing "experimental" about the drugs being used. In fact, megadoses of versed and dilaudid have been used for years as assisted suicide drugs in countries which allow it, and hospice agencies have been using the same cocktail for years to relieve patient anxiety and awareness of oxygen hunger and eliminate the "suffocation" feeling of hypercarbia in patients who are dying. Doctors use megadoses of these drugs frequently to ease suffering in patients who are being removed from ventilator support for end-of-life.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good emotional argument.

udhq: That's a major human rights abuse in and of itself, and I can't help but get chills at people like you who are ok with abuses of human rights, as long as they are done to what you judge to be the right subset of people.


Well, let me tell you how much your moral disgust at the fact I'm OK with the death penalty being selectively applied with incredible oversight and strict criteria, which NEEDS to be reformed.

I'm going to get off here, go have a drink or two, and enjoy some yummy mexican food. And then sleep soundly tonight knowing I give you chills.
 
2014-01-16 07:11:23 PM

udhq: hardinparamedic: You have an argument on moral grounds against the death penalty, and I would even grant that to you. If you stuck to that, rather than going into full potato crap about "medical experiments" and "torture", you might get some serious conversation rather than people pointing out how stupid you sound.

Once again, you're clearly running your mouth off without having read the article, where the judge himself admitted that this was a non-consenting medical experiment on a human subject.

You don't know the level of suffering he went through.  And even if he was minimally conscious of it, HIS EXECUTION TOOK 15 FARKING MINUTES.  That's a major human rights abuse in and of itself, and I can't help but get chills at people like you who are ok with abuses of human rights, as long as they are done to what you judge to be the right subset of people.


hardinparamedic is hardly alone though. His opinion is shared with the majority of the people in this country.

HIS EXECUTION TOOK 15 FARKING MINUTES

You can cry an ocean of tears over this but in comparison of what he put his victim through, 15 minutes in a drug induced haze is less than fitting. We know you don't like it, you've over stated it. Feel free to continue to shed tears for this POS, but you aren't changing anything or anyone's minds.
 
2014-01-16 07:12:13 PM

Banned on the Run: Did you read the facts of the case? If you think there is no difference between the value of his life and his victim's, then I can't help you.
If you lack the ability to make a moral judgment or to tell the difference between right and wrong, I'd like to know what city you're in so I can stay away. You are as sociopathic as the murderer.


Yeah, I'M the sociopath.....

Except I'm the one arguing against murder, you're the one who's ok with it, so long as it's done to who you judge to be the right people.
 
2014-01-16 07:13:58 PM

udhq: IRQ12: Not a fan of intentionally causing harm but I could give a fark less if this person had to experience a bit of the horrifying experience of dying before he went.

Then why not use the iron maiden, the bronze bull, or the pear of anguish?  He's a murderer, who cares how grizzly his death is?

At some point, it's not all about him, but about what kind of society and what kind of people we want to be.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA
 
2014-01-16 07:14:45 PM
Two pieces of rope.
A concrete foundation block.
A swimming pool.

Recycle.

/Not my idea
//Farkers are bat-shiat insane
 
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