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2014-01-16 03:51:29 PM  

Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer


Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.
 
2014-01-16 03:51:43 PM  

Zizzowop: Good to know we're still on par with those other civilized countries. Murica!

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I'm curious to know what the rates are for people "disappearing" in those countries greed out.  ...except for Australia.  It's impossible to know what is going or kill you in Australia.  There's too many things there trying to kill you there.
 
2014-01-16 03:51:51 PM  
Submittard and HuffPo are exaggerating liars, trolling for clicks.

Headline:
...gasped and snorted for 15 minutes...

Article:
...inmate appeared to gasp several times and took 15 minutes to die...
McGuire was still for almost five minutes, then emitted a loud snot, as if snoring, and continued to make that sound over the next several minutes....A coughing sound was Dennis McGuire's last apparent movement, at 10:43 am.  He was pronounced dead 10 minutes later.


So, basically, he was quiet for 5 minutes, he snored for 5 minutes, was quiet again for 5 minutes, then coughed once and died.  But instead of that, let's write a headline that makes it sound like he was choking and writhing against his restraints for 15 minutes...
 
2014-01-16 03:51:59 PM  
We'll never know if he suffered. Having a hard time working up some tears for this one, though.

If he wanted any consideration, he shouldn't have raped and killed a pregnant woman and subsequently admitted to it. Fark him.
 
2014-01-16 03:52:31 PM  

lennavan: ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"

It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.


Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
 
2014-01-16 03:53:00 PM  
NEDM


Random Anonymous Blackmail: So you wanted him to die in a more humane way than his victim.. F that.

He does not deserve the right to die a comfortable, painless death.

The 8th Amendment to the United States Constitution says you are 100% wrong...


We seem to change all the other parts of the Constitution, why not this one?
 
2014-01-16 03:53:06 PM  

ChipNASA: [i.chzbgr.com image 340x450]


Necklacing?

Something similar seems to have happened in the killing of Matthew Goniwe and his fellow anti-apartheid activists by the police in July 1985.

Here. You can read about it here

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/6006

/at least I cited sources
 
2014-01-16 03:53:07 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

~~DNA evidence confirmed McGuire's guilt

Read harder next time.


This just in: DNA evidence has never been overturned.
 
2014-01-16 03:53:26 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Zizzowop: Good to know we're still on par with those other civilized countries. Murica!

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I'm curious to know what the rates are for people "disappearing" in those countries greed out.  ...except for Australia.  It's impossible to know what is going or kill you in Australia.  There's too many things there trying to kill you there.


Greyed out, not greed out.

FTFM
 
2014-01-16 03:54:02 PM  

Bf+: Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer

Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.


I didn't feel joy, but it didn't offend me.     He was the monster that put all this into motion.   His children did not have to attend, that was their decision.
 
2014-01-16 03:54:18 PM  

Jesus built my hybrid: Do they put they put these guys to sleep at all first?  What keeps one of them from thrashing about and  screaming at the top of their lungs "Please shoot me!!!! The pain is too much!!!!

That's what I would do.


Usually the first drug is to knock them out so yes.
 
2014-01-16 03:54:50 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


It's probably been said already, but they pretty much did.  Hydromorphone is a much more powerful derivative of morphine - 10x as powerful IIRC.  The midazolam is an anxiolytic like valium/diazepam.  This guy was on a nice little trip without having to leave Ohio when he was put to death, not agonizing in pain...
 
2014-01-16 03:55:27 PM  

dittybopper: my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light. They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


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But what if Simmons yanks it out?

/She could yank mine out anyday....
 
2014-01-16 03:55:36 PM  

Bf+: Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer

Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.


Nobody said they HAD to do anything.  That was their own choice.
 
2014-01-16 03:55:36 PM  

The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....


Compassion Hunger trumps air hunger.
 
2014-01-16 03:55:53 PM  

you are a puppet: TheWhoppah: DarkSoulNoHope: The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.

More Willingham bullshiat?  The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, regardless of what the Net Yorker magazine does to sell subscriptions.  I'll give you that Carl DeLuna in 1989 might have been innocent.  But most of those innocence claims from Texas are pure bullshiat.  Texas did have a bunch of RAPE exhortations because Dallas saved all the rape kits going back into the 1970s and then went back and DNA tested all of them.  Every other city in the nation disposed of their old rape kits so there was nothing left to test... so Texas gets a black-eye over it.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

How do you define overwhelming? IIRC the only actual evidence was the later disputed arson report? Unless you're including the Led Zeppelin posters and snake tattoos as evidence. Or his cowardice.


Willingham's own explanation for what happened:  I was napping in the back room with Amber when she woke me up yelling about the smoke so I got up and left out the front door.

Three year old Amber's body was found under the covers in the back bedroom.  The path from the back bedroom to the front door would have taken him past the room where the twin infants were sleeping.  Their bodies were found in that room.

So, even if you ignore the half-dozen empty bottles of lighter fluid and the neighbors that reported seeing him outside acting funny peeking in the windows and doors BEFORE any smoke came out of the house... even if you ignore the testimony of the fire investigators that spent 3 days going through the rubble.  Even if you take Willingham's explanation as 100% gospel truth... then he just walked out and left his three kids to die in a fire without even trying to save them... one of whom was in the same room with him and alerted him to the smoke.  The jury obviously didn't believe him and neither should you... but even if you do and you are right .... well I still think he was a monster who deserved a lot worse than lethal injection.  Oh, and those fire reports were not debunked exactly.  They found almost two dozen "clues of arson" that, at the time, it was believed that those clues ONLY appeared in arson fires.  We now know that some of them can sometimes appear in non-arson fires too.  Still, there was plenty of forensic evidence to support the arson conviction even if some of those clues were only 90% likely causes instead of 100%.  What are the chances of over dozen 10% chances all going that way?  The prosecution theory was that he killed his three kids to spite his wife.  His last words were to her, "fark You, biatch!"
 
2014-01-16 03:55:59 PM  

dittybopper: Target Builder: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless

Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.

You know who else used Carbon Monoxide to execute people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp#Pure_extermination_c am ps


You do realize they were also the #1 users of the guillotine
 
2014-01-16 03:56:12 PM  
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Hanging is an excellent way to perform executions, but the British got it right with the long drop.  Snaps the neck, so it's instant unconsciousness.  The American method relies on strangulation and is too slow.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:12 PM  
A simple bullet to the head. Followed by a second just in case. Wtf kinda crap is using poisons? Seems pretty unusual to me.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:16 PM  
My god the report on that guy...

He then explained that because she was so pregnant, it was difficult to engage in sex with her, so instead he anally sodomized her. Joy then became "hysterical," which made McGuire nervous. He ended up killing Joy for fear that he would go to jail for raping a pregnant woman.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:36 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


I say morphine, then guillotine, and then dynamite.

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If he gets up and walk away after that, then he's Casca Longinus and you'll never kill him anyway.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:50 PM  
I just love that the people who are all "get government outta our lives" are all "get government into our deaths". This experiment was cruel and barbaric regardless of what this man's crimes were. The death penalty is not the act of a civilized society.
 
2014-01-16 03:57:10 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cold_Sassy: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

~~DNA evidence confirmed McGuire's guilt

Read harder next time.

This just in: DNA evidence has never been overturned.


But if the DNA evidence is used to exonerate somebody, it's 100% correct?  Interesting...
 
2014-01-16 03:57:23 PM  
This is an OUTRAGE...

....reads part that says " put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant woman"

Changed my mind, let the coont suffer
 
2014-01-16 03:57:34 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


That's basically what they did.


HydroMorphone, not actual Morphine, but along the same line.
 
2014-01-16 03:57:56 PM  

Ghastly: The death penalty is not the act of a civilized society.


If this meeting of paper tigers and Internet Tough Guys is any indication, ours is sadly nowhere close to a civilized society.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:04 PM  
Screw Nancy Grace and screw experimental drugs. If they must:

Small garage, limousine, full tank of gas, top shelf bourbon. Job done.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:18 PM  

chevydeuce: But if the DNA evidence is used to exonerate somebody, it's 100% correct? Interesting...


It would certainly count as reasonable doubt.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:37 PM  

dameron: I find it fascinating that the people who think the government has too much power and is incompetent are by and large huge supporters of the death penalty.

One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world.  Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.


I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:48 PM  
Dude had an overdose of narcotics and sedatives - I wouldn't feel too sorry for him.  He was probably living out his bucket list in his final minutes, if only in his mind.
 
2014-01-16 03:59:10 PM  
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2014-01-16 03:59:13 PM  

Target Builder: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless

Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.


I have More Than a Feeling you're right.
 
2014-01-16 03:59:13 PM  
Here's an idea, don't get sent to Death Row.  Problem solved.
 
2014-01-16 03:59:46 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I remember in the '70s, an anti-death penalty Senator from Alabama tried to pass legislation requiring all executions to be performed in the University of Alabama football stadium, with a lottery and mandatory attendance, much like jury duty. The executions were to be performed using four horses pulling in different directions, and ropes tied to to the executionee's extremities.

Probably not barbaric enough for today's sophisticated audiences.


Now that's old-skool executioning right there...
 
2014-01-16 04:00:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: This just in: DNA evidence has never been overturned.


Your opposition to the death penalty is a guy convicted by evidence which is later supported by the addition of DNA evidence and a confession might possibly be innocent?

K.
 
2014-01-16 04:00:02 PM  

EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.


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2014-01-16 04:00:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.


Well yeah, that and he raped and stabbed a 22 year old girl to death but hey, let's not split hairs, eh?
 
2014-01-16 04:00:21 PM  

durbnpoisn: jigger: He was convicted 25 years ago? The swift sword of justice, I guess.

And, see, here inlies the problem with capital punishment is in this country.  He's been sitting in jail for 25 years, with more than enough time to regret and repent what he had done.  This to such an extent, that you almost feel sorry for his manner of execution.
I can assure you, if he were executed immediately following the conviction of rape and murder of a pregnant woman, proponents of the death penalty (like myself), would have liked to have seen even MORE pain and suffering.  As it stands, it's just too far after the fact.


How the hell do you regret and repent for rape and murder?

I can understand knocking over some banks and feeling bad about it later. Selling some drugs, destroying property - hell, I might even be able to forgive someone for beating up another guy, realizing the error of his ways, and then going back and making amends whatever way he can.

Some things, though, shouldn't be "erasable", so to speak. Violating a woman, man or child because no one else will sleep with you? No second chances. Taking someone else's life for any other reason outside of defending your own? No, you don't get a chance to say that you found Jesus and everything's peachy now. In fact, I'd hope that when you do get to the Pearly Gates, some big bouncers forcibly remove you from line and make you watch as all the gay people and other "godless heathens" cheerfully walk ahead of you before they drop kick your worthless ass into whatever hell you truly belong.

"25 Years enough time to regret and repent..." Please.
 
2014-01-16 04:00:28 PM  
When convicted, use the same method to execute the criminal that the criminal used on their victim.

If their victim suffered horribly, so should the convicted criminal.
 
2014-01-16 04:01:06 PM  

Yellow Beard: I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.


Like  the billion+ Catholics out there?   Go be dumb somewhere else.
 
2014-01-16 04:01:25 PM  

Yellow Beard: dameron: I find it fascinating that the people who think the government has too much power and is incompetent are by and large huge supporters of the death penalty.

One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world.  Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.

I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.


They will probably think that enlightened people thought women were more than factories or property to be controlled by the state. And that women should decide when and if they are to give birth and not some body of legislators or a handful of old men who have never been pregnant.
 
GBB
2014-01-16 04:01:58 PM  

Bf+: Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer

Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.


They didn't have to be, nor should they have been, there.  If they are willing to accept him as a monster, then they should be prepared to deal with those demons.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:03 PM  

dittybopper: So we can go with my other idea, then.


You have to admit that it might be considered "unusual".
 
2014-01-16 04:02:32 PM  

dameron: Yellow Beard: I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.

Like  the billion+ Catholics out there?   Go be dumb somewhere else.


I know the pope is rather progressive on a few issues, but I didn't know he was now a huge support of abortion.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:42 PM  

theflatline: My god the report on that guy...

He then explained that because she was so pregnant, it was difficult to engage in sex with her, so instead he anally sodomized her. Joy then became "hysterical," which made McGuire nervous. He ended up killing Joy for fear that he would go to jail for raping a pregnant woman.


His fear was undeniably justified.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:45 PM  
A forced benzo/opiate overdose is probably less painful than the potassium containing cocktail usually employed. We should all be so lucky.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:50 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


I entered this thread not really wanting to be here. But then I read this, and wow. I hope you're serious, because I've had this same idea and people have called it barbaric, cruel, etc.
But it makes total sense to me. It's how I'd do myself if I got to pick a way.
I don't have the energy for any more of this thread.
 
2014-01-16 04:03:05 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.

Well yeah, that and he raped and stabbed a 22 year old girl to death but hey, let's not split hairs, eh?


So you're OK with a wealthy person getting 15 to 25 for the same crime, solely on the basis that they are wealthy?
 
2014-01-16 04:03:36 PM  

Egoy3k: lordjupiter: You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.

In that case there seems to be a perfectly reasonable moral reason to end the death penalty.  All actions of the state are done in the name of 'the people' if even one person is against the death penalty it is morally wrong to kill someone in their name.  The state allows conscientious objectors to abstain from combat roles does it not?


Quite a reach.
 
GBB
2014-01-16 04:03:48 PM  

EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.


Then you are truly baffled by murderers.
 
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