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2014-01-16 03:37:23 PM  

Bf+: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine? We know it works, and we know it's painless

I think you just answered your own question.
The purpose of the death penalty isn't to remove a person from society or some such bullshiat.  It is to extract tortuous vengeance upon the person and their loved ones.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.


So we can go with my other idea, then.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:25 PM  

LeroyBourne: special20: Maybe I was wrong... our capital punishment technology can borrow from the past and do pretty well. Plus it helps out a whole bunch of starving circus elephants who I care for more than I do a rapist/murderer.

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Holy hardcore.  You learn something new everyday.


The Mongols would tie you down and break your back
Some greek city states tossed you into a giant smoker shaped like a bull
 
2014-01-16 03:37:25 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.


He farking admitted it.  Get off your soapbox.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:38 PM  

skozlaw: lennavan: It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.

No, it doesn't, and your idea of how a justice system ought to function is insanely terrifying. Thank god nobody ever asked you how things should work and let's hope nobody ever does.


I'm OK with his definition of a justice system. Remove those who commit the worst, most atrocious crimes from society and from the face of the earth. Permanent cold storage.  We have enough humans on this planet that those who do especially evil things deserve to be removed from it.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:47 PM  

skozlaw: lennavan: It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.

No, it doesn't, and your idea of how a justice system ought to function is insanely terrifying. Thank god nobody ever asked you how things should work and let's hope nobody ever does.


I don't know why you're terrified of a justice system that executes raping murderers.  What exactly are you worried about, they'll come back as zombies or what?
 
2014-01-16 03:37:48 PM  

nmrsnr: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

You'd have to automate it. One of the reason they stopped was that the men on the firing squads were (for want of a better word) squeamish, so you got stories of three rounds of volleys from 15 feet that all missed the guys head, so he instead bleeds out very, very painfully.


Easy solution. Open it up to let local NRA gun nut volunteers do it. And give them a little room afterwards so they can go stroke off one.
 
2014-01-16 03:38:36 PM  

TheWhoppah: Any justice system that can't impose capital punishment isn't really a justice system at all.


And any pizza without anchovies isn't really a pizza at all.

What's your point?
 
2014-01-16 03:38:55 PM  

TheWhoppah: DarkSoulNoHope: The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.

More Willingham bullshiat?  The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, regardless of what the Net Yorker magazine does to sell subscriptions.  I'll give you that Carl DeLuna in 1989 might have been innocent.  But most of those innocence claims from Texas are pure bullshiat.  Texas did have a bunch of RAPE exhortations because Dallas saved all the rape kits going back into the 1970s and then went back and DNA tested all of them.  Every other city in the nation disposed of their old rape kits so there was nothing left to test... so Texas gets a black-eye over it.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.


How do you define overwhelming? IIRC the only actual evidence was the later disputed arson report? Unless you're including the Led Zeppelin posters and snake tattoos as evidence. Or his cowardice.
 
2014-01-16 03:39:18 PM  

Mirandized: Joe Blowme: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

THIS times eleventy billion

I don't understand this at all. You are not responsible for what this piece of shiat did. You are responsible for what the State does in your name. He acted as a monster so the State in our name should also act as a monster? That lowers us to his level. I want my government to be better than this piece of shiat.


Like abortion? Better like that? At least this guy was guilty (DNA), unlike the unborn
 
2014-01-16 03:39:20 PM  

EyeballKid: Kit Fister: EyeballKid: Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.

500 head of dairy cows on a farm in Wisconsin. You were saying?

I was saying your grasp of the language's colloquialisms could be stronger. Wait, I'm sorry, is English your second language?


No, I simply chose to take your colloquialism at face value rather than responding to its intended message. However, in response to its intended message, I have seen the business end of this kind of thing. It ain't pretty. But at the same time, having dealt with the sort of people who do the acts this man did, I have nothing but contempt for them and would gladly pay to pull the trigger.
 
2014-01-16 03:39:36 PM  

dittybopper: Bf+: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine? We know it works, and we know it's painless

I think you just answered your own question.
The purpose of the death penalty isn't to remove a person from society or some such bullshiat.  It is to extract tortuous vengeance upon the person and their loved ones.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

So we can go with my other idea, then.


Wouldn't a blast with a shotgun to the side of the head be cheaper and easier?
 
2014-01-16 03:39:46 PM  

manwithplanx: Great job Ohio, now you're probably going to have to pay the man's family millions of dollars, while the victim's family only has their memories. Great 'experiment'

/you know who else did biochem experiments on convicts?


Nazis, Imperial Japanese Army, Soviets...and I think the US did a few VD experiments on blacks by withholding medicines...
 
2014-01-16 03:39:58 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So you wanted him to die in a more humane way than his victim.. F that.

He does not deserve the right to die a comfortable, painless death.


The 8th Amendment to the United States Constitution says you are 100% wrong.  When the state is executing a horrible criminal for his crimes, it is SUPPOSED to be akin to putting down a rabid dog.  Permanently removing someone from society for a crime so horrible that he should pay for it with his life.  Cold and emotionless.  It is not supposed to be farking torture.  You want to torture a man to death for being a living piece of garbage?  Move to the Congo.  I'm sure there are loads of acceptable targets for you to whit your bloodlust on there.

And before you ask why I care so much about this...thing instead of its victim, I don't.  He can burn in Hell for all I care.  But if we allow the state to start torturing people who it deems fit to death, well, that's it then.  We will have become no better than the worst totalitarian dictatorships of history.  It's easy to say that a "man" who raped and murdered a pregnant woman has such a fate coming, but who's to say that the acceptable range of criminals to inflict such a punishment on doesn't grow?

/of course, some people actually think that capital punishment shouldn't be something our government is in the process of doling out
//One can have all the compassion in the world for the victim while still upholding the mores of civilization.  Despite what you might have been told, you do not have to let yourself become a monster to fight monsters.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:16 PM  
You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:34 PM  

WTFDYW: r1niceboy: WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.

But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?

When the DNA says you did it, you DID it. Thanks for playing. Please come back later.


Every single person on death row has been convicted using DNA tests? Proof s'il vous plait.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:59 PM  

Mirandized: Joe Blowme: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

THIS times eleventy billion

I don't understand this at all. You are not responsible for what this piece of shiat did. You are responsible for what the State does in your name. He acted as a monster so the State in our name should also act as a monster? That lowers us to his level. I want my government to be better than this piece of shiat.


The guy had problems breathing for a few minutes while he was passed out.

I fail to see how that equates with raping and stabbing a pregnant woman to death.

Here's how much I care about this guy:

Not at all.  Not one fark is given about this guy's feelings or well-being.
 
2014-01-16 03:41:01 PM  
There are certain cases to bring up how inhumane and foolish the death penalty. Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt Stabby McRapy here is not one of them. I'm *glad* he suffered, though I would have prefered if they left him in jail instead of executing him. That way he would suffer even longer. Non-existence is probably a step up for him, they did him a favor he didn't deserve.
 
2014-01-16 03:41:23 PM  
FREE HAT!
 
2014-01-16 03:41:36 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.


~~DNA evidence confirmed McGuire's guilt

Read harder next time.
 
2014-01-16 03:41:39 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: nmrsnr: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

You'd have to automate it. One of the reason they stopped was that the men on the firing squads were (for want of a better word) squeamish, so you got stories of three rounds of volleys from 15 feet that all missed the guys head, so he instead bleeds out very, very painfully.

Easy solution. Open it up to let local NRA gun nut volunteers do it. And give them a little room afterwards so they can go stroke off one.


I think the state could offer lottery tickets where the winner gets to take the shot. Help recoup some of the cost...
 
2014-01-16 03:42:10 PM  

TheWhoppah: Why should execution be painless?  That seems like a stupid prerequisite.


For sure - I've been an advocate of dishing out an equivalency in means by which our states dispose of murderers. This clown should have gotten what he had given to his victim.

/no hat
//ate the cattle
 
2014-01-16 03:42:13 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: I have a few ideas ...


Well, your Fark handle does raise a question or two.  What recipe did Kevorkian use for assisting the terminally I'll to die?  How much pain was actually involved with this concoction, if any at all?  Of I remember, it puts one to sleep, then kills them.  What is so bad about that?
 
2014-01-16 03:42:21 PM  

Dimensio: I disagree. Executions should in fact be open to the public, and even publicly broadcast.

That may cause a reassessment of popular support for capital punishment.



Because nobody wants to watch you throw the Christians to the lions:
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Haha!  Just kidding.  The stadium is full.
Programs!  Get your programs here!  'Can't tell the Christians from the Lions without your programs!  Only $5 for the commemorative program!  Programs!
 
2014-01-16 03:42:24 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


They essentially did overdose him on morphine. The two drugs used in this execution were Versed and Dilaudid. Dilaudid is an opioid and very similar to morphine only it is stronger.
 
2014-01-16 03:42:34 PM  

Mirandized: And while we are at it, this FTFA.


   "We have forgiven him, but that does not negate the need for him to pay for his actions," said a statement released by Carol Avery, Stewart's sister, after McGuire's death.

I would not presume to tell her that she should forgive him, but if this is her attitude, she hasn't forgiven him. That makes her statement just a meaningless sound bite.


That's the Xtian in them wanting to appear enlightened and keep blood off their hands, but the human animal in them still seethes and can't stand the perceived injustice of this guy getting to live.
 
2014-01-16 03:43:00 PM  

Target Builder: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless

Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.


You know who else used Carbon Monoxide to execute people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp#Pure_extermination_c am ps
 
2014-01-16 03:43:04 PM  

Captain Steroid: I miss the guillotine.


How about one for your next knosh?

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2014-01-16 03:43:07 PM  

NEDM: And before you ask why I care so much about this...thing instead of its victim, I don't. He can burn in Hell for all I care. But if we allow the state to start torturing people who it deems fit to death, well, that's it then.


I agree.  The state didn't intend to torture him.  The state should learn from this, figure out what could be improved upon and apply to the future.

The vast majority of pro death penalty people here are not saying torture should be the goal.  They are saying the least torturous way possible should be the goal but if shiat happens along the way, well it's happening to people like this raping murderer so "meh."  Don't mistake indifference for support.
 
2014-01-16 03:43:34 PM  

neversubmit: Intrepid00: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

You must have never taken morphine. That shiat burns. It ie far from painless. It just a lot better than the pain you have.

It's a good burn.


Like being sucked off by an angel...
 
2014-01-16 03:43:57 PM  

lordjupiter: That's the Xtian in them wanting to appear enlightened and keep blood off their hands, but the human animal in them still seethes and can't stand the perceived injustice of this guy getting to live.


I'm sure if she could go back to that biblical time that she imagines the crucifixion to have been, she'd be screaming for Barabbas.
 
2014-01-16 03:44:04 PM  
ShadowKamui:

The Mongols would tie you down and break your back
Some greek city states tossed you into a giant smoker shaped like a bull


I'm aware of those two, just never an elephant squashing your head like a bug.  yikes
 
2014-01-16 03:44:11 PM  
We should use hyperbaric chambers. Drop them to 300 feet and then throw open the valves. Running a compressor is cheap.
 
2014-01-16 03:44:52 PM  

Kit Fister: ElwoodCuse: Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"

I think you're going to find that the people who support the death penalty fairly unwavering in their agreement with it.

Like me. There is nothing wrong with killing an attacker, a rapist, or a murderer where proof of guilt is established beyond the shadow of a doubt, and all due care has been exhausted to ensure that nothing is left unchecked.

Likewise, if I see someone raping a woman, or molesting a kid, or doing some other thing of that nature, I will sure as hell have no second thoughts about killing him to stop it.


I'm 100% with you.  I have no moral problem with killing someone to stop a crime in action.

However, I have a huge problem allowing the state to kill.  It's not about compassion or "sinking to their level", it's a simple matter of mistrust.
 
2014-01-16 03:45:32 PM  

Somaticasual: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.


I would volunteer to be on the firing squad. I seriously doubt it would bother me much.

Exacting justice is not murder.
 
2014-01-16 03:45:52 PM  
Side note: does anyone give a rat's ass? OK, anyone important?
 
2014-01-16 03:46:27 PM  

lordjupiter: You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.


In that case there seems to be a perfectly reasonable moral reason to end the death penalty.  All actions of the state are done in the name of 'the people' if even one person is against the death penalty it is morally wrong to kill someone in their name.  The state allows conscientious objectors to abstain from combat roles does it not?
 
2014-01-16 03:46:47 PM  

dark brew: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

They essentially did overdose him on morphine. The two drugs used in this execution were Versed and Dilaudid. Dilaudid is an opioid and very similar to morphine only it is stronger.


Then I fail to see the problem.  His body may have had a reaction, but I doubt he would have felt it.
 
2014-01-16 03:46:58 PM  

WTFDYW: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.


BOOM HEADSHOT
 
2014-01-16 03:47:01 PM  
Good to know we're still on par with those other civilized countries. Murica!

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2014-01-16 03:47:52 PM  

ShadowKamui: Just gas them w/ nitrous or CO2


Carbon monoxide works better, faster and leaves their skin a cheery pink colour for the cameras.  There is a  slight chance of convulsions, but those will happen after brain death which usually occurs within twenty to thirty seconds.  The best thing about carbon monoxide is that fools the body into thinking it's getting enough oxygen thus there is no gasping or hyperventilating etc.  Helium is another usable option, but the convict should be mildly sedated first.  These methods mind you are far too humane for the typical death row inmate, but they are no muss and no fuss, which is what the politicians would want in order to maintain their rep as tough but fair.

source: google carbon monoxide poisoning  or for helium look up, "The final exit"
 
2014-01-16 03:48:14 PM  
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2014-01-16 03:48:33 PM  
i vote for death by ones own actions.
 
2014-01-16 03:48:51 PM  

KidneyStone: I would volunteer to be on the firing squad. I seriously doubt it would bother me much.


Wow, dude, you are like, so totally tough and bad-ass! I bet nobody's every messed with a bad-ass such as yourself, right? 'Cos you're so awesome and bad-ass and tough?
 
2014-01-16 03:48:54 PM  
We need to stop executing people.  Such a waste of human resources.

I mean, really, who knows when we'll be at the point of teleportation testing where we can attempt it with humans?  I say we keep them around, freeze them if necessary, and use them as volunteers (trust me, they'll volunteer) for test subjects.

Who knows what other uses they could have, too.  Soylent green's not just a fanciful though anymore.
 
2014-01-16 03:49:37 PM  
Experimental murder committed by the state.
Beautiful complement to the religion of peace and revenge, Christianity.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:01 PM  
What about going old school and using hanging? If it's done right, he's dead instantly. As it is, I can't feel too sorry for this particular guy (I don't place much stock in unsupported confessions, but if the DNA was legit and his story matched, well ...) but don't care for the precedent it sets.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:28 PM  
Gasping and snorting aside, if he was dosed with midazolam, he wasn't awake when it was happening. Neither would he have had any recollection of the event if he had somehow survived. Add some hydromorphone on top of the midazolam, and I guarantee his death was more painful for his family than it was for him.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:29 PM  
I wonder how much the murder rate would go down if the form of corporal punishment was "torn to shreds by pack of hungry viscous dogs"...smaller ones so it takes longer. Show them live on TV as well, that way the citizens know your serious.

I know it wouldn't stop people killing each other, but what it might do is that the criminal would be more likely kill themselves preferring a bullet to the head then being torn to shreds by dogs and just think how much money that would save the tax-payers with not having to pay for those lengthy trials and prison stays.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:40 PM  

Egoy3k: lordjupiter: You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.

In that case there seems to be a perfectly reasonable moral reason to end the death penalty.  All actions of the state are done in the name of 'the people' if even one person is against the death penalty it is morally wrong to kill someone in their name.  The state allows conscientious objectors to abstain from combat roles does it not?


You aren't being made to physically throw the switch. Apples and orangutans.
 
2014-01-16 03:51:09 PM  
I find it fascinating that the people who think the government has too much power and is incompetent are by and large huge supporters of the death penalty.

One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world.  Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.
 
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