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2014-01-16 03:26:03 PM

ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"


It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.
 
2014-01-16 03:26:04 PM
...and make his family pay for the bullet.

///Or quit killing prisoners just in case Big Justice might occasionally fark up. Or give the convict the choice between life on death row or a quick bullet.

//Lawyers and their playbook aside, are we the kind of society that tortures prisoners to death?
 
2014-01-16 03:26:31 PM

dittybopper: EyeballKid: The Muthaship:
I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

What does it matter, since killing him will magically bring her back to life?

Oh wait...

No, but it does pretty much guarantee he'll never, ever do it again.


THis.
 
2014-01-16 03:26:34 PM
bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha!
 
2014-01-16 03:27:02 PM

Lando Lincoln: This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.


2.bp.blogspot.com

"What forest?"
 
2014-01-16 03:27:17 PM

Dimensio: EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.

Murder is, by definition, unlawful. Therefore the legally authorized taking of human life -- even with premeditation and malice aforethought -- is not murder.


Yep.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:20 PM

special20: Maybe I was wrong... our capital punishment technology can borrow from the past and do pretty well. Plus it helps out a whole bunch of starving circus elephants who I care for more than I do a rapist/murderer.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 414x600]


Holy hardcore.  You learn something new everyday.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:26 PM

StRalphTheLiar: Oldiron_79: Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.

And 100% recyclable for the next guy.


Hey you can even use organic pestacide free hemp for the green crowd.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:29 PM
Some suggestions for alternate forms of capital punishment:

1. bear pit
2. piranha tank
3. catapult
4. very large blender
5. nitroglycerin water balloon fight
6. whatever they do to put down rabid dogs, if someone wants to live like a sick animal they can die like one.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:57 PM

orclover: Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers


If you're trying to be intentionally brutal burning at the stake isn't really effective.  The victim usually asphyxiates before they burn.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:57 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.


More Willingham bullshiat?  The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, regardless of what the Net Yorker magazine does to sell subscriptions.  I'll give you that Carl DeLuna in 1989 might have been innocent.  But most of those innocence claims from Texas are pure bullshiat.  Texas did have a bunch of RAPE exhortations because Dallas saved all the rape kits going back into the 1970s and then went back and DNA tested all of them.  Every other city in the nation disposed of their old rape kits so there was nothing left to test... so Texas gets a black-eye over it.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
 
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2014-01-16 03:27:57 PM

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine? We know it works, and we know it's painless


I think you just answered your own question.
The purpose of the death penalty isn't to remove a person from society or some such bullshiat.  It is to extract tortuous vengeance upon the person and their loved ones.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.
 
2014-01-16 03:28:15 PM
As someone who is anti-death penalty because of the fact that it costs more and our legal system is incompetent at best and biased against the poor and minorities at worst....fark this guy's "suffering"

Since he admitted it and the DNA evidence was there, hang him high!

If there was ANY shred of doubt, I would be in agreement with those posting against this cruel and/or unusual punishment.


/should have thrown him in gen-pop for life
 
2014-01-16 03:28:35 PM

ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"


when such guilt is tied to the rape and killing of a young pregnant woman it does.
 
2014-01-16 03:28:55 PM
Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.
 
2014-01-16 03:29:27 PM

Captain Steroid: I miss the guillotine.


^THIS
 
2014-01-16 03:29:30 PM
I'm against the death penalty, not because I have any issues with a piece of shiat like McGuire dying a prolonged, agonizing death, but because the justice system is so incompetent and corrupt.
 
2014-01-16 03:29:37 PM

for good or for awesome: I heard in Russia they told you they needed to take your picture.  Put you in a little booth and tell you to look at the "camera".  Can't get much more "humane" than that.


which if fine and dandy if you're the first guy and totally unaware but somehow if what you say is true and therefore common knowledge, I wouldn't exactly call it a comforting thought when the prison guards comes by and tell me it's picture day for me.
 
2014-01-16 03:29:44 PM

FlashHarry: so, both cruel AND unusual.

farking barbaric.


I dunno, I'd be willing to be people die gasping and choking all the time.  Not that unusual.

Now, for it to really be unusual, you'd have to do something like dress him up in a plaid frock, smother him with elderberry jam and pelt him to death with ravenous badgers while a live band plays 'Nearer My God to Thee' in the background.   That would be unusual.
 
2014-01-16 03:30:29 PM

ElwoodCuse: Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"


I think you're going to find that the people who support the death penalty fairly unwavering in their agreement with it.

Like me. There is nothing wrong with killing an attacker, a rapist, or a murderer where proof of guilt is established beyond the shadow of a doubt, and all due care has been exhausted to ensure that nothing is left unchecked.

Likewise, if I see someone raping a woman, or molesting a kid, or doing some other thing of that nature, I will sure as hell have no second thoughts about killing him to stop it.
 
2014-01-16 03:30:36 PM
Some states (Texas for example) are more concerned with killing someone that making sure they are executing the perpetrator of the crime!  Once a person has been executed the case is closed, if that is the wrong person then the perpetrator of MURDER is free!

I am more in favor of locking people up, escape from anything above a county jail is absurdly rare, and no one has escaped from a supermax.  Then in cases where the convicted is found innocent due to new evidence or misconduct it's fairly straight forward.  Once they're dead, not so much.

In the cases of people (Ted Bundy for example) who are guilty beyond, beyond, beyond.   I propose a new method of execution based on an old method of execution.   three high powered remote controled rifles that point to the heart on the soon to die, the sentence carried out by the state Governor typing in a code that causes the rifles to fire.

If somehow the executed is found to be innocent,  then the governor can be booked for Murder 1, avoiding all those pesky lawsuits.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:05 PM

Joe Blowme: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

THIS times eleventy billion


I don't understand this at all. You are not responsible for what this piece of shiat did. You are responsible for what the State does in your name. He acted as a monster so the State in our name should also act as a monster? That lowers us to his level. I want my government to be better than this piece of shiat.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:07 PM

Lawnchair: Rope, guillotine, firing squad, nitrogen narcosis chamber (apparently no pain like cyanide, no toxic cleanup afterward).  How hard is this people?


I've heard the nitrogen method mentioned before. Basically, pure nitrogen (which is about 80% of what we breathe anyway) is used to displace all of the oxygen in the atmosphere of the chamber. Supposedly, it would avoid the reactions associated with toxic gasses, and also prevent the panic reactions associated with a build-up of carbon dioxide in the system, because the body would still be able to expel carbon dioxide.

Lethal injection is rapidly becoming a farce, and makes firing squads and hanging look like good options by comparison.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:30 PM

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


You must have never taken morphine. That shiat burns. It ie far from painless. It just a lot better than the pain you have.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:57 PM
Do they put they put these guys to sleep at all first?  What keeps one of them from thrashing about and  screaming at the top of their lungs "Please shoot me!!!! The pain is too much!!!!

That's what I would do.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:07 PM
Its not unusual if we start killing them all that way.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:10 PM

hobnail: orclover: Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers

If you're trying to be intentionally brutal burning at the stake isn't really effective.  The victim usually asphyxiates before they burn.


I personally like the idea of taking two of the beetles used to strip the flesh off of bones for study and inserting them into the ear canals.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:11 PM

Intrepid00: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

You must have never taken morphine. That shiat burns. It ie far from painless. It just a lot better than the pain you have.


It's a good burn.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:38 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.


That and the lady apparently made the wrong rape vs murder choice.

/Will this be a direct flight?
 
2014-01-16 03:32:39 PM
www.cageyfilms.com

/nothing obscure
 
2014-01-16 03:33:01 PM

EyeballKid: Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.


500 head of dairy cows on a farm in Wisconsin. You were saying?
 
2014-01-16 03:33:09 PM

lennavan: It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.


No, it doesn't, and your idea of how a justice system ought to function is insanely terrifying. Thank god nobody ever asked you how things should work and let's hope nobody ever does.
 
2014-01-16 03:33:13 PM

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless


Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.
 
2014-01-16 03:33:28 PM
When was the last time a rich person was executed for their crimes in the US?

Think about that.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:01 PM
Any justice system that can't impose capital punishment isn't really a justice system at all.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:25 PM

WhyKnot: ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"

when such guilt is tied to the rape and killing of a young pregnant woman it does.


If you put extra conditions on it then it's not automatic in the context of the post you were responding to now is it?
 
2014-01-16 03:34:25 PM
And while we are at it, this FTFA.


   "We have forgiven him, but that does not negate the need for him to pay for his actions," said a statement released by Carol Avery, Stewart's sister, after McGuire's death.

I would not presume to tell her that she should forgive him, but if this is her attitude, she hasn't forgiven him. That makes her statement just a meaningless sound bite.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:40 PM
It sounds like the guy was under the effect of general anesthesia. The whole point of using general anesthesia in these things: a fallback in case the method itself fails to work properly. It sounds like the fallback worked, but the drug did not, so I'd still call this botched, but not to the point of cruelty.

I guess I'm a bit strange, in that I support the death penalty but not life-without-parole, which I see as far more cruel. That said, I'd support tighter requirements before the death penalty can be applied: hard proof with forensic verification should be necessary, above and beyond the "reasonable doubt" standard needed to convict, or else the maximum sentence is capped at whatever we consider the most severe punishment short of death.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:50 PM

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


The hydrocodone they used is 10 time more powerful than morphine. The procedure should OD him on a powerful sedative, use artificial ventilation to keep him oxygenated, and then stop the heart with sodium bicarbonate solution. After a few minutes the ventilation can be stopped because his brain will be dead.

People rarely ever die in the peaceful way they depict in movies. Almost everyone with at least a bit of a function nervous system will have an agonal response similar to the one described in the FA. This is why executions should not have non-professional witnesses. Certainly not family.
 
2014-01-16 03:35:22 PM

Marcus Aurelius: So here's another one: is it OK to only execute poor people?


First, how many poor people equals one rich one?
 
2014-01-16 03:35:48 PM
Why should execution be painless?  That seems like a stupid prerequisite.
 
2014-01-16 03:35:50 PM

Somaticasual: The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.


So why not just simply automate it like we do with lethal injection.

If you can press a button and have a machine do all the work for a lethal injection, there is no reason why you can't have a machine that shoots the inmate in the head instead.  Strap them down, use a laser sight to assure the bullet is going to hit the right part of the brain stem, press the button, and at some random time the machine shoots.

/Still thing the implosion idea is better.
 
2014-01-16 03:36:09 PM

Fano: orclover: Quick, Painless, Flawless.  Why fark around?  If drug companies dont want to be associated with executions then we have plenty of alternatives.  Make sure to publisize it and hold up a sign that says "This needlessly brutal execution brought to you by big pharma, be sure to thank them!"
Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers, we could run round the clock footage of all the states executions on its own cable channel with comercials to make up the cost.

Would be the most viewed channel in farking history, and you farking know it.

Who can forget Whitman, Price, and Haddad?


Last seasons winners.

/waits for correction
 
2014-01-16 03:36:29 PM

Kit Fister: EyeballKid: Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.

500 head of dairy cows on a farm in Wisconsin. You were saying?


I was saying your grasp of the language's colloquialisms could be stronger. Wait, I'm sorry, is English your second language?
 
2014-01-16 03:36:30 PM

JackieRabbit: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

The hydrocodone they used is 10 time more powerful than morphine. The procedure should OD him on a powerful sedative, use artificial ventilation to keep him oxygenated, and then stop the heart with sodium bicarbonate solution. After a few minutes the ventilation can be stopped because his brain will be dead.

People rarely ever die in the peaceful way they depict in movies. Almost everyone with at least a bit of a function nervous system will have an agonal response similar to the one described in the FA. This is why executions should not have non-professional witnesses. Certainly not family.


I disagree. Executions should in fact be open to the public, and even publicly broadcast.

That may cause a reassessment of popular support for capital punishment.
 
2014-01-16 03:36:32 PM
I have a few ideas ...
 
2014-01-16 03:36:57 PM

Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

/Though if it were up to me we'd have a very very high burden of proof that the person was guilty before actually executing them.   Can't absolutely prove that the person did it, no execution.


DNA evidence and a confession is the definition of a high burden of proof being fulfilled. 

You don't want to die a horrible death? Don't rape and kill. Pretty simple really.

TV's Vinnie: When was the last time a rich person was executed for their crimes in the US?

Think about that.


Probably a gangster or drug kingpin of some kind. Just because you are rich doesn't make you better or less likely to get death row. The thing is that most people whom are rich don't commit capital crimes... They just pay someone else to do it.
 
2014-01-16 03:36:57 PM

jigger: He was convicted 25 years ago? The swift sword of justice, I guess.


And, see, here inlies the problem with capital punishment is in this country.  He's been sitting in jail for 25 years, with more than enough time to regret and repent what he had done.  This to such an extent, that you almost feel sorry for his manner of execution.
I can assure you, if he were executed immediately following the conviction of rape and murder of a pregnant woman, proponents of the death penalty (like myself), would have liked to have seen even MORE pain and suffering.  As it stands, it's just too far after the fact.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:04 PM
Great job Ohio, now you're probably going to have to pay the man's family millions of dollars, while the victim's family only has their memories. Great 'experiment'

/you know who else did biochem experiments on convicts?
 
2014-01-16 03:37:19 PM

The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....


Exactly.

I ain't exactly playing a full-sized violin for this idiot.
 
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