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2014-01-16 03:13:22 PM  
Just gas them w/ nitrous or CO2
 
2014-01-16 03:13:44 PM  
I favor a Hunger Games like capital punishment system.  We take a hundred or so convicts put them in a reserve wired with cameras, and the last one living gets a pardon and is released to live in Hollywood and do the talk show circuit.  The proceeds from the show could go to the families of the victims.

Or you could just jail them for life which I would think is much worse than death.
 
2014-01-16 03:13:53 PM  

super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use


The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.
 
2014-01-16 03:14:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: QFTA:

A federal judge sided with the state but acknowledged the new method was an experiment.

Please have this judge removed from the bench. This is an idiot. A cruel, nasty idiot.


I dunno.  Depends on who they were experimenting on.  Was it a worst-of-the-worst pedophile?  Par for the course.  Went on a serial-killing spree?  Welcome to the "Serial Killer Victim Experience".  Kidnapped / tortured / raped people?  My sympathy meter just broke Trying to register lower than it was able to.  Not feeling very sorry at all for people on death row, especially when the evidence is overwhelmingly proof that they indeed were heinous individuals.  Ted Bundy, for example.  Don't let his looks and charisma fool you.  That's an unrepentant, cold, sadistic, devious person.  Not fixable, and not worth the oxygen he breathed.
 
2014-01-16 03:14:23 PM  

orclover: Quick, Painless, Flawless.  Why fark around?  If drug companies dont want to be associated with executions then we have plenty of alternatives.  Make sure to publisize it and hold up a sign that says "This needlessly brutal execution brought to you by big pharma, be sure to thank them!"
Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers, we could run round the clock footage of all the states executions on its own cable channel with comercials to make up the cost.

Would be the most viewed channel in farking history, and you farking know it.


Who can forget Whitman, Price, and Haddad?
 
2014-01-16 03:14:29 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: QFTA:

A federal judge sided with the state but acknowledged the new method was an experiment.

Please have this judge removed from the bench. This is an idiot. A cruel, nasty idiot.


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2014-01-16 03:14:36 PM  
My inner monologue:

"Gasped and snorted for 15 minutes.....that's awful, he doesn't.....raped and stabbed a pregnant woman....fark  him."
 
2014-01-16 03:14:49 PM  

FlashHarry: so, both cruel AND unusual.

farking barbaric.


It's OK since only poor people go to death row.
 
2014-01-16 03:14:54 PM  
Just shoot them or decapitate them. If necessary shoot them in the head with a stun gun first to be "humane".
 
2014-01-16 03:15:18 PM  
So you wanted him to die in a more humane way than his victim.. F that.

He does not deserve the right to die a comfortable, painless death.
 
2014-01-16 03:15:29 PM  
The fact that we are too incompetent to decide who should be executed aside, why is this so hard? General anesthesia exists. Use it and you can stop the heart however you want.
 
2014-01-16 03:15:31 PM  
I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

/Though if it were up to me we'd have a very very high burden of proof that the person was guilty before actually executing them.   Can't absolutely prove that the person did it, no execution.
 
2014-01-16 03:15:52 PM  
Clearly, our technology needs to advance.
www.themarysue.com
 
2014-01-16 03:16:26 PM  
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2014-01-16 03:16:40 PM  

Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.


I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.
 
2014-01-16 03:16:46 PM  
I remember in the '70s, an anti-death penalty Senator from Alabama tried to pass legislation requiring all executions to be performed in the University of Alabama football stadium, with a lottery and mandatory attendance, much like jury duty. The executions were to be performed using four horses pulling in different directions, and ropes tied to to the executionee's extremities.

Probably not barbaric enough for today's sophisticated audiences.
 
2014-01-16 03:16:54 PM  
While I am all for the guillotine....I'm also okay with using this piece of shiat as an experimental monkey to see if the cocktail worked...it did.  He's dead?  I'd say we had a successful execution then.  Fark him in the ass with a cactus if he suffered any.  Line up the next 8 or 10 on death row and try some more experimenting...today!
 
2014-01-16 03:16:58 PM  
If we're going to use the death penalty, why don't we use the method that they use for assisted suicide in Oregon?
 
2014-01-16 03:17:07 PM  

WTFDYW: Gee. I wonder how long the pregnant woman had to suffer at his hands before she punched the clock? I guess that doesn't matter to the FARK.com brigade huh?


Actually, I was thinking eventually a robot could be programmed to victimize the perp in tge same manner the perp victimized the victim(s), in this case sodomize him and slit his throat. Though 25 years in prison might have solved the sodomy bit.

I think death penalties like that would have more meaning.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:18 PM  

dittybopper: using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light


A very messy light.  With lots of atomized brain matter floating around.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:24 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


Interesting concept.  I like this.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:35 PM  
Reminds me of the Onion video on capital punishment (youtube, nsfw):

JANE CARMICHAEL: Well, Michael, it began this morning when the lawyers for the petition presented for the Court a video taped Lethal Injection that showed an inmate writhing in pain before dying. As the tape played, Justice Kennedy said quote "Whoa!" Justice Alito remarked quote "Holy shiat!" and Justice Ginsburg said quote "That's wicked."

MICHAEL BANNON: And what was the defense counsel's response to that?

JANE CARMICHAEL: Well, following the video, Chief Justice John Roberts said, "While evidence presented to the Court indicates a degree of fallibility in the procedural methods of capital punishment, it is the opinion of this Court that the practice remains hella farkin' balls-to-the-wall awesome." At the point, the decision seemed fairly certain.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:38 PM  

r1niceboy: WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.

But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?


When the DNA says you did it, you DID it. Thanks for playing. Please come back later.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:57 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I favor a Hunger Games like capital punishment system.  We take a hundred or so convicts put them in a reserve wired with cameras, and the last one living gets a pardon and is released to live in Hollywood and do the talk show circuit.  The proceeds from the show could go to the families of the victims.


Perhaps they could be Released to Elsewhere.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:00 PM  

WTFDYW: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.


I was watching something and a sniper talked about the quick drop of a body when the brainstem turns to raspberry jam in an instant from their shots. I'm sure that would be sufficient to kill humanely and preserve the internal organs.

Ya know, with the number of people we have on death row... we could start a health club program for them to make their organs as good as possible for when they get harvested. If we continue to just poison the bodies and make the organs unharvestable it's a waste. Except serial killers and mass murderers, that's been the topic of one too many horror movies to gain acceptance.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:03 PM  

WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.


This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:19 PM  

Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.


He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.
 
gja
2014-01-16 03:18:19 PM  

EyeballKid: The Muthaship:
I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

What does it matter, since killing him will magically bring her back to life?

Oh wait...


I should be completely against capital punishment, but what punishment can possibly serve as a deterrent so assholes stop killing innocent people?

Your point is valid, but if you offer no other choice then the old adage "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" applies, I'm afraid.

Somewhere, somehow, there has to be enough of a base, visceral fear instilled into people to stop them from committing atrocities like murder.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:25 PM  
Funny. I thought the article was about what the state of Ohio did to one of its prisoners. I guess the article was about what a murderer did to victims.

Oops. Same thing.

/the killer was an complete animal. The state of Ohio doesn't need to sink to his level. You can't hold a man (and in this case his actions tend to denigrate that label) unless you linger there with him. More importantly, as other people have posted in this thread, capital punishment has killed many innocent people. The criminal justice system has imprisoned innocent people for sentences of decades, sometimes long enough for them to die in prison. Capital punishment needs to be banned. I don't mind long sentences but when prosecutors can only get elected governor if they are "hard on crime" you are going to have innocent people murdered by the state.
 
2014-01-16 03:19:36 PM  

Odd Bird: nmrsnr: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?

Or knock them out with it and use cyanide, that'll kill you way faster than 15 minutes.

It sounds like the guy was unconscious and the snorting and gasping were the body's involuntary reactions.

If this is true then he wasn't aware of any suffering, but the procedure/drugs should be changed.

I feel more empathy for the witnesses.


Yeah, my outrage at the procedure is more that people had to witness that and not so much that he may or may not have suffered.

/I'm going with the assumption that he was not wrongly convicted, of course
 
2014-01-16 03:19:56 PM  
I don't support the death penalty (because of wrongful convictions) but if we're going to be barbaric, can't we at least make some money off of it? Auction off hunting permits, release the convict in a protected area, and let the games begin. Donate all that money to the treasury and make some of that taxpayer money back. I know what you're thinking...haven't I seen this in the movies before? And the answer is no, in the movies they always put the hunt on PPV, which I'm not suggesting.
 
2014-01-16 03:20:42 PM  
~~put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant woman, Joy Stewart.

Why all the sympathy for that murdering POS?  Fark him.  I hope he did suffer, just like his victim.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:05 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.


he wasn't.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:16 PM  
He raped and killed a pregnant woman? fark him.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:46 PM  
Ohio officials used intravenous doses of two drugs, the sedative midazolam and the painkiller hydromorphone, to put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant woman, Joy Stewart.... a newlywed who was eight months pregnant at the time of her death

So a guy who raped and murdered a girl who was 8 months pregnant suffocated for 15 minutes before he died and I'm supposed to feel bad for him?  I'll see what I can do for you but so far I'm coming up empty here.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:53 PM  
Maybe I was wrong... our capital punishment technology can borrow from the past and do pretty well. Plus it helps out a whole bunch of starving circus elephants who I care for more than I do a rapist/murderer.

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2014-01-16 03:22:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.


But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.
 
2014-01-16 03:23:22 PM  

Somaticasual: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.


I understand what firing squads used to do is to load one or two of the rifles with blanks, so the rifleman could think that he might not have fired the killing shot.  Also, the whole point of having a firing squad is that you're spreading responsibility.

One other thing -- I guess people used to believe in an "honorable death", and that a firing squad delivers such a death, so it's less troubling.
 
2014-01-16 03:23:25 PM  

gja: I should be completely against capital punishment, but what punishment can possibly serve as a deterrent so assholes stop killing innocent people?


There's your primary moral quandary: is the intent of imprisonment to rehabilitate the offender, or to serve as a deterrent for non-offenders? And, where between those two do we have the "so non-offenders can get their rocks off knowing a bad guy's gone" intent?
 
2014-01-16 03:23:52 PM  
I don't support the death penalty and I don't feel sorry for the guy.

I do, however, feel sorry for a society that thinks that any human being can be used as an experiment.
 
2014-01-16 03:24:00 PM  

lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.


Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"
 
2014-01-16 03:24:34 PM  

Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

How, exactly, can justice exist if no petty vengeance, satisfying the basest of primal emotions, is not extracted?

 
2014-01-16 03:24:43 PM  
Draino is pretty cheap. So is antifreeze.
 
2014-01-16 03:24:44 PM  

EyeballKid: The Muthaship:
I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

What does it matter, since killing him will magically bring her back to life?

Oh wait...


No, but it does pretty much guarantee he'll never, ever do it again.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:08 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Funny. I thought the article was about what the state of Ohio did to one of its prisoners. I guess the article was about what a murderer did to victims.


I'm pretty sure Ohio doesn't do this to pickpockets, so the specific type of prisoner here is relevant.  I could be wrong, I don't live in Ohio.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:08 PM  

WTFDYW: r1niceboy: WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.

But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?

When the DNA says you did it, you DID it. Thanks for playing. Please come back later.


You didn't answer the question.

So here's another one: is it OK to only execute poor people?
 
2014-01-16 03:25:23 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I favor a Hunger Games like capital punishment system.  We take a hundred or so convicts put them in a reserve wired with cameras, and the last one living gets a pardon and is released to live in Hollywood and do the talk show circuit.  The proceeds from the show could go to the families of the victims.

Or you could just jail them for life which I would think is much worse than death.


We tried that already.  It was called Running Man.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:31 PM  

Somaticasual: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.


A murderer? Seriously? Knowing several people who've killed criminals, either on the job or in self defense, sleep perfectly soundly at night. They get shook up because they had to shoot, but they have no qualms about having killed a vile, disgusting piece of human filth.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:32 PM  
Could always bring back burning at the stake, sell marshmellows
 
2014-01-16 03:25:37 PM  

EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.


Murder is, by definition, unlawful. Therefore the legally authorized taking of human life -- even with premeditation and malice aforethought -- is not murder.
 
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