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2014-01-16 02:39:51 PM  
I miss the guillotine.
 
2014-01-16 02:41:42 PM  
so, both cruel AND unusual.

farking barbaric.
 
2014-01-16 02:53:31 PM  
So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.
 
2014-01-16 03:00:38 PM  
Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.
 
2014-01-16 03:01:43 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


Mystery to me. Mind you, I don't really favor the death penalty - even if some folks richly deserve it. The methods they use now are just plain idiotic.
 
2014-01-16 03:01:55 PM  
I'm ok with this jpg.
 
2014-01-16 03:02:34 PM  

Oldiron_79: Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.


And 100% recyclable for the next guy.
 
2014-01-16 03:02:34 PM  
Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use
 
2014-01-16 03:02:57 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


And now I need to go re-write my living will...
 
2014-01-16 03:03:43 PM  

super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use


Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.
 
2014-01-16 03:03:46 PM  
QFTA:

A federal judge sided with the state but acknowledged the new method was an experiment.

Please have this judge removed from the bench. This is an idiot. A cruel, nasty idiot.
 
2014-01-16 03:04:05 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?


Or knock them out with it and use cyanide, that'll kill you way faster than 15 minutes.
 
2014-01-16 03:04:41 PM  
What, did they run out of dynamite? That's the way I'd want to go. Pretty messy, though. Might want to take me out into the middle of a field.
 
2014-01-16 03:05:09 PM  
"And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.
 
2014-01-16 03:05:17 PM  
So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....
 
2014-01-16 03:05:19 PM  
Rope, guillotine, firing squad, nitrogen narcosis chamber (apparently no pain like cyanide, no toxic cleanup afterward).  How hard is this people?
 
2014-01-16 03:05:22 PM  
He was convicted 25 years ago? The swift sword of justice, I guess.
 
2014-01-16 03:05:46 PM  
I certainly know we wouldn't try to farking grow up and not satiate our bloodlust through executing people! We have murderboners to beat off, god damn it!
 
2014-01-16 03:05:51 PM  

WTFDYW: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.


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2014-01-16 03:05:57 PM  
I heard in Russia they told you they needed to take your picture.  Put you in a little booth and tell you to look at the "camera".  Can't get much more "humane" than that.
 
2014-01-16 03:06:27 PM  
Gee. I wonder how long the pregnant woman had to suffer at his hands before she punched the clock? I guess that doesn't matter to the FARK.com brigade huh?
 
2014-01-16 03:06:27 PM  

WTFDYW: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.


Headshots for the win.
 
2014-01-16 03:07:07 PM  
The Muthaship:
I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

What does it matter, since killing him will magically bring her back to life?

Oh wait...
 
2014-01-16 03:07:39 PM  
I think a bullet behind the ear should the SOP. Cheap, easy, and plenty of people in prisons who would do it for an extra tray at dinner.

If there is any travesty here it's the forgotten pain, anguish, and fear a woman felt as she was raped, beaten, and murdered. While pregnant with child. FFFFFF*ck this animal. SHE is the victim, not him.
 
2014-01-16 03:07:47 PM  
Fkin barbaric is raping and stabbing an 8 months pregnant woman.

So..im ok with this.
 
2014-01-16 03:08:13 PM  

Oldiron_79: Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.


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/agrees
//can feel the devil bite his ass
 
2014-01-16 03:08:19 PM  
hypothermia works and is fairly cost effective.
 
2014-01-16 03:08:29 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


I'm curious to know more about humanely imploding human heads.  We routinely accept the euthenasia of animals.  If it's okay for them then it's okay for humans.

Too bad this guy suffered a full 15 minutes, but I imagine he made his victim suffer for at least that long.
 
2014-01-16 03:08:49 PM  

jigger: He was convicted 25 years ago? The swift sword of justice, I guess.


You have the right to a speedy trial (though that seems to be going out the window thanks to budget cutbacks in both prosecution and public defenders), and the right to appeal your sentence. The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.
 
2014-01-16 03:08:50 PM  

Oldiron_79: Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.


It tightens up your vocal cords and loosens up your pecs.
 
2014-01-16 03:09:03 PM  
Agonal breathing while someone is dying. I am shocked. SHOCKED.

Honestly though, the guillotine was a marvelous invention. Less than 1 second and it was over, guaranteed. Even firing squad can't guarantee that. PLUS they're great for politicians.
 
2014-01-16 03:09:09 PM  
" put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant woman"

Can't really muster a shiat to give.
 
2014-01-16 03:09:23 PM  

The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....


Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.
 
2014-01-16 03:09:38 PM  

for good or for awesome: I heard in Russia they told you they needed to take your picture.  Put you in a little booth and tell you to look at the "camera".  Can't get much more "humane" than that.


Nope in USSR days the execution method if you was on death row your cell had a solid door and then one day when the food tray slot opened instead of your tray coming through the barrel of a pistol did.
 
2014-01-16 03:09:43 PM  
Why in the hell would you want to go see your father executed?  Just collecting baggage for my damaged soul.
 
2014-01-16 03:09:51 PM  

Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.


THIS times eleventy billion
 
2014-01-16 03:09:59 PM  
Good.    He killed a pregnant woman with a knife!     I am sure that he was as concerned about her last moments as some of you fools will be for his.

I don't care if they let pigs eat him to death....don't kill people if you don't want to be killed.
 
2014-01-16 03:10:04 PM  

nmrsnr: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?

Or knock them out with it and use cyanide, that'll kill you way faster than 15 minutes.


It sounds like the guy was unconscious and the snorting and gasping were the body's involuntary reactions.

If this is true then he wasn't aware of any suffering, but the procedure/drugs should be changed.

I feel more empathy for the witnesses.
 
2014-01-16 03:10:25 PM  
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Quick, Painless, Flawless.  Why fark around?  If drug companies dont want to be associated with executions then we have plenty of alternatives.  Make sure to publisize it and hold up a sign that says "This needlessly brutal execution brought to you by big pharma, be sure to thank them!"
Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers, we could run round the clock footage of all the states executions on its own cable channel with comercials to make up the cost.

Would be the most viewed channel in farking history, and you farking know it.
 
2014-01-16 03:11:01 PM  

WordsnCollision: Oldiron_79: Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.

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/agrees
//can feel the devil bite his ass


BLONDIE!
 
2014-01-16 03:11:03 PM  

super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.


You'd have to automate it. One of the reason they stopped was that the men on the firing squads were (for want of a better word) squeamish, so you got stories of three rounds of volleys from 15 feet that all missed the guys head, so he instead bleeds out very, very painfully.
 
2014-01-16 03:11:26 PM  

WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.


But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?
 
2014-01-16 03:11:27 PM  
I agree with firing squad; or give 'em a date with a rope. None of this expensive chemical crap. Or, if we have to use chems; potassium cyanide.

/ Actually, why don't we test stuff on death row inmates? We could toss them into the vacuum of space and such
 
2014-01-16 03:11:45 PM  

Kit Fister: WTFDYW: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.

Headshots for the win.


Yeah, I thought about that, but don't they harvest parts of the brain?
 
2014-01-16 03:11:46 PM  
Should've been a lethal injection of steel like he gave to his victim.

AMF, POS
 
2014-01-16 03:11:58 PM  
If we're GOING to have the death penalty then it really behooves us to do things as humanely as possible. Gasmask seems like a good solution -- give 'em nitrous & oxygen and then cut the oxygen.
 
2014-01-16 03:12:18 PM  
My other headline....

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2014-01-16 03:13:04 PM  
Dennis McGuire was convicted for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of 22-year-old Joy Stewart, who was newly married and pregnant. He tried to have his execution stayed because the jury never heard the full extent of his abuse as a child.

Uh huh. I think that's not a good enough reason to appeal, or change the sentence he received...

Good riddance.

Next!
 
2014-01-16 03:13:06 PM  

Joe Blowme: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

THIS times eleventy billion


Why not both?
 
2014-01-16 03:13:17 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.


DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.
 
2014-01-16 03:13:22 PM  
Just gas them w/ nitrous or CO2
 
2014-01-16 03:13:44 PM  
I favor a Hunger Games like capital punishment system.  We take a hundred or so convicts put them in a reserve wired with cameras, and the last one living gets a pardon and is released to live in Hollywood and do the talk show circuit.  The proceeds from the show could go to the families of the victims.

Or you could just jail them for life which I would think is much worse than death.
 
2014-01-16 03:13:53 PM  

super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use


The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.
 
2014-01-16 03:14:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: QFTA:

A federal judge sided with the state but acknowledged the new method was an experiment.

Please have this judge removed from the bench. This is an idiot. A cruel, nasty idiot.


I dunno.  Depends on who they were experimenting on.  Was it a worst-of-the-worst pedophile?  Par for the course.  Went on a serial-killing spree?  Welcome to the "Serial Killer Victim Experience".  Kidnapped / tortured / raped people?  My sympathy meter just broke Trying to register lower than it was able to.  Not feeling very sorry at all for people on death row, especially when the evidence is overwhelmingly proof that they indeed were heinous individuals.  Ted Bundy, for example.  Don't let his looks and charisma fool you.  That's an unrepentant, cold, sadistic, devious person.  Not fixable, and not worth the oxygen he breathed.
 
2014-01-16 03:14:23 PM  

orclover: Quick, Painless, Flawless.  Why fark around?  If drug companies dont want to be associated with executions then we have plenty of alternatives.  Make sure to publisize it and hold up a sign that says "This needlessly brutal execution brought to you by big pharma, be sure to thank them!"
Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers, we could run round the clock footage of all the states executions on its own cable channel with comercials to make up the cost.

Would be the most viewed channel in farking history, and you farking know it.


Who can forget Whitman, Price, and Haddad?
 
2014-01-16 03:14:29 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: QFTA:

A federal judge sided with the state but acknowledged the new method was an experiment.

Please have this judge removed from the bench. This is an idiot. A cruel, nasty idiot.


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2014-01-16 03:14:36 PM  
My inner monologue:

"Gasped and snorted for 15 minutes.....that's awful, he doesn't.....raped and stabbed a pregnant woman....fark  him."
 
2014-01-16 03:14:49 PM  

FlashHarry: so, both cruel AND unusual.

farking barbaric.


It's OK since only poor people go to death row.
 
2014-01-16 03:14:54 PM  
Just shoot them or decapitate them. If necessary shoot them in the head with a stun gun first to be "humane".
 
2014-01-16 03:15:18 PM  
So you wanted him to die in a more humane way than his victim.. F that.

He does not deserve the right to die a comfortable, painless death.
 
2014-01-16 03:15:29 PM  
The fact that we are too incompetent to decide who should be executed aside, why is this so hard? General anesthesia exists. Use it and you can stop the heart however you want.
 
2014-01-16 03:15:31 PM  
I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

/Though if it were up to me we'd have a very very high burden of proof that the person was guilty before actually executing them.   Can't absolutely prove that the person did it, no execution.
 
2014-01-16 03:15:52 PM  
Clearly, our technology needs to advance.
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2014-01-16 03:16:26 PM  
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2014-01-16 03:16:40 PM  

Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.


I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.
 
2014-01-16 03:16:46 PM  
I remember in the '70s, an anti-death penalty Senator from Alabama tried to pass legislation requiring all executions to be performed in the University of Alabama football stadium, with a lottery and mandatory attendance, much like jury duty. The executions were to be performed using four horses pulling in different directions, and ropes tied to to the executionee's extremities.

Probably not barbaric enough for today's sophisticated audiences.
 
2014-01-16 03:16:54 PM  
While I am all for the guillotine....I'm also okay with using this piece of shiat as an experimental monkey to see if the cocktail worked...it did.  He's dead?  I'd say we had a successful execution then.  Fark him in the ass with a cactus if he suffered any.  Line up the next 8 or 10 on death row and try some more experimenting...today!
 
2014-01-16 03:16:58 PM  
If we're going to use the death penalty, why don't we use the method that they use for assisted suicide in Oregon?
 
2014-01-16 03:17:07 PM  

WTFDYW: Gee. I wonder how long the pregnant woman had to suffer at his hands before she punched the clock? I guess that doesn't matter to the FARK.com brigade huh?


Actually, I was thinking eventually a robot could be programmed to victimize the perp in tge same manner the perp victimized the victim(s), in this case sodomize him and slit his throat. Though 25 years in prison might have solved the sodomy bit.

I think death penalties like that would have more meaning.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:18 PM  

dittybopper: using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light


A very messy light.  With lots of atomized brain matter floating around.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:24 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


Interesting concept.  I like this.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:35 PM  
Reminds me of the Onion video on capital punishment (youtube, nsfw):

JANE CARMICHAEL: Well, Michael, it began this morning when the lawyers for the petition presented for the Court a video taped Lethal Injection that showed an inmate writhing in pain before dying. As the tape played, Justice Kennedy said quote "Whoa!" Justice Alito remarked quote "Holy shiat!" and Justice Ginsburg said quote "That's wicked."

MICHAEL BANNON: And what was the defense counsel's response to that?

JANE CARMICHAEL: Well, following the video, Chief Justice John Roberts said, "While evidence presented to the Court indicates a degree of fallibility in the procedural methods of capital punishment, it is the opinion of this Court that the practice remains hella farkin' balls-to-the-wall awesome." At the point, the decision seemed fairly certain.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:38 PM  

r1niceboy: WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.

But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?


When the DNA says you did it, you DID it. Thanks for playing. Please come back later.
 
2014-01-16 03:17:57 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I favor a Hunger Games like capital punishment system.  We take a hundred or so convicts put them in a reserve wired with cameras, and the last one living gets a pardon and is released to live in Hollywood and do the talk show circuit.  The proceeds from the show could go to the families of the victims.


Perhaps they could be Released to Elsewhere.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:00 PM  

WTFDYW: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.


I was watching something and a sniper talked about the quick drop of a body when the brainstem turns to raspberry jam in an instant from their shots. I'm sure that would be sufficient to kill humanely and preserve the internal organs.

Ya know, with the number of people we have on death row... we could start a health club program for them to make their organs as good as possible for when they get harvested. If we continue to just poison the bodies and make the organs unharvestable it's a waste. Except serial killers and mass murderers, that's been the topic of one too many horror movies to gain acceptance.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:03 PM  

WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.


This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:19 PM  

Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.


He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.
 
gja
2014-01-16 03:18:19 PM  

EyeballKid: The Muthaship:
I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

What does it matter, since killing him will magically bring her back to life?

Oh wait...


I should be completely against capital punishment, but what punishment can possibly serve as a deterrent so assholes stop killing innocent people?

Your point is valid, but if you offer no other choice then the old adage "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" applies, I'm afraid.

Somewhere, somehow, there has to be enough of a base, visceral fear instilled into people to stop them from committing atrocities like murder.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:25 PM  
Funny. I thought the article was about what the state of Ohio did to one of its prisoners. I guess the article was about what a murderer did to victims.

Oops. Same thing.

/the killer was an complete animal. The state of Ohio doesn't need to sink to his level. You can't hold a man (and in this case his actions tend to denigrate that label) unless you linger there with him. More importantly, as other people have posted in this thread, capital punishment has killed many innocent people. The criminal justice system has imprisoned innocent people for sentences of decades, sometimes long enough for them to die in prison. Capital punishment needs to be banned. I don't mind long sentences but when prosecutors can only get elected governor if they are "hard on crime" you are going to have innocent people murdered by the state.
 
2014-01-16 03:19:36 PM  

Odd Bird: nmrsnr: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?

Or knock them out with it and use cyanide, that'll kill you way faster than 15 minutes.

It sounds like the guy was unconscious and the snorting and gasping were the body's involuntary reactions.

If this is true then he wasn't aware of any suffering, but the procedure/drugs should be changed.

I feel more empathy for the witnesses.


Yeah, my outrage at the procedure is more that people had to witness that and not so much that he may or may not have suffered.

/I'm going with the assumption that he was not wrongly convicted, of course
 
2014-01-16 03:19:56 PM  
I don't support the death penalty (because of wrongful convictions) but if we're going to be barbaric, can't we at least make some money off of it? Auction off hunting permits, release the convict in a protected area, and let the games begin. Donate all that money to the treasury and make some of that taxpayer money back. I know what you're thinking...haven't I seen this in the movies before? And the answer is no, in the movies they always put the hunt on PPV, which I'm not suggesting.
 
2014-01-16 03:20:42 PM  
~~put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant woman, Joy Stewart.

Why all the sympathy for that murdering POS?  Fark him.  I hope he did suffer, just like his victim.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:05 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.


he wasn't.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:16 PM  
He raped and killed a pregnant woman? fark him.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:46 PM  
Ohio officials used intravenous doses of two drugs, the sedative midazolam and the painkiller hydromorphone, to put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant woman, Joy Stewart.... a newlywed who was eight months pregnant at the time of her death

So a guy who raped and murdered a girl who was 8 months pregnant suffocated for 15 minutes before he died and I'm supposed to feel bad for him?  I'll see what I can do for you but so far I'm coming up empty here.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:53 PM  
Maybe I was wrong... our capital punishment technology can borrow from the past and do pretty well. Plus it helps out a whole bunch of starving circus elephants who I care for more than I do a rapist/murderer.

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2014-01-16 03:22:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.


But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.
 
2014-01-16 03:23:22 PM  

Somaticasual: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.


I understand what firing squads used to do is to load one or two of the rifles with blanks, so the rifleman could think that he might not have fired the killing shot.  Also, the whole point of having a firing squad is that you're spreading responsibility.

One other thing -- I guess people used to believe in an "honorable death", and that a firing squad delivers such a death, so it's less troubling.
 
2014-01-16 03:23:25 PM  

gja: I should be completely against capital punishment, but what punishment can possibly serve as a deterrent so assholes stop killing innocent people?


There's your primary moral quandary: is the intent of imprisonment to rehabilitate the offender, or to serve as a deterrent for non-offenders? And, where between those two do we have the "so non-offenders can get their rocks off knowing a bad guy's gone" intent?
 
2014-01-16 03:23:52 PM  
I don't support the death penalty and I don't feel sorry for the guy.

I do, however, feel sorry for a society that thinks that any human being can be used as an experiment.
 
2014-01-16 03:24:00 PM  

lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.


Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"
 
2014-01-16 03:24:34 PM  

Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

How, exactly, can justice exist if no petty vengeance, satisfying the basest of primal emotions, is not extracted?

 
2014-01-16 03:24:43 PM  
Draino is pretty cheap. So is antifreeze.
 
2014-01-16 03:24:44 PM  

EyeballKid: The Muthaship:
I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

What does it matter, since killing him will magically bring her back to life?

Oh wait...


No, but it does pretty much guarantee he'll never, ever do it again.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:08 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Funny. I thought the article was about what the state of Ohio did to one of its prisoners. I guess the article was about what a murderer did to victims.


I'm pretty sure Ohio doesn't do this to pickpockets, so the specific type of prisoner here is relevant.  I could be wrong, I don't live in Ohio.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:08 PM  

WTFDYW: r1niceboy: WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.

But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?

When the DNA says you did it, you DID it. Thanks for playing. Please come back later.


You didn't answer the question.

So here's another one: is it OK to only execute poor people?
 
2014-01-16 03:25:23 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I favor a Hunger Games like capital punishment system.  We take a hundred or so convicts put them in a reserve wired with cameras, and the last one living gets a pardon and is released to live in Hollywood and do the talk show circuit.  The proceeds from the show could go to the families of the victims.

Or you could just jail them for life which I would think is much worse than death.


We tried that already.  It was called Running Man.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:31 PM  

Somaticasual: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.


A murderer? Seriously? Knowing several people who've killed criminals, either on the job or in self defense, sleep perfectly soundly at night. They get shook up because they had to shoot, but they have no qualms about having killed a vile, disgusting piece of human filth.
 
2014-01-16 03:25:32 PM  
Could always bring back burning at the stake, sell marshmellows
 
2014-01-16 03:25:37 PM  

EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.


Murder is, by definition, unlawful. Therefore the legally authorized taking of human life -- even with premeditation and malice aforethought -- is not murder.
 
2014-01-16 03:26:03 PM  

ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"


It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.
 
2014-01-16 03:26:04 PM  
...and make his family pay for the bullet.

///Or quit killing prisoners just in case Big Justice might occasionally fark up. Or give the convict the choice between life on death row or a quick bullet.

//Lawyers and their playbook aside, are we the kind of society that tortures prisoners to death?
 
2014-01-16 03:26:31 PM  

dittybopper: EyeballKid: The Muthaship:
I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

What does it matter, since killing him will magically bring her back to life?

Oh wait...

No, but it does pretty much guarantee he'll never, ever do it again.


THis.
 
2014-01-16 03:26:34 PM  
bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha!
 
2014-01-16 03:27:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.


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"What forest?"
 
2014-01-16 03:27:17 PM  

Dimensio: EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.

Murder is, by definition, unlawful. Therefore the legally authorized taking of human life -- even with premeditation and malice aforethought -- is not murder.


Yep.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:20 PM  

special20: Maybe I was wrong... our capital punishment technology can borrow from the past and do pretty well. Plus it helps out a whole bunch of starving circus elephants who I care for more than I do a rapist/murderer.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 414x600]


Holy hardcore.  You learn something new everyday.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:26 PM  

StRalphTheLiar: Oldiron_79: Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.

And 100% recyclable for the next guy.


Hey you can even use organic pestacide free hemp for the green crowd.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:29 PM  
Some suggestions for alternate forms of capital punishment:

1. bear pit
2. piranha tank
3. catapult
4. very large blender
5. nitroglycerin water balloon fight
6. whatever they do to put down rabid dogs, if someone wants to live like a sick animal they can die like one.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:57 PM  

orclover: Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers


If you're trying to be intentionally brutal burning at the stake isn't really effective.  The victim usually asphyxiates before they burn.
 
2014-01-16 03:27:57 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.


More Willingham bullshiat?  The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, regardless of what the Net Yorker magazine does to sell subscriptions.  I'll give you that Carl DeLuna in 1989 might have been innocent.  But most of those innocence claims from Texas are pure bullshiat.  Texas did have a bunch of RAPE exhortations because Dallas saved all the rape kits going back into the 1970s and then went back and DNA tested all of them.  Every other city in the nation disposed of their old rape kits so there was nothing left to test... so Texas gets a black-eye over it.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
 
Bf+
2014-01-16 03:27:57 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine? We know it works, and we know it's painless


I think you just answered your own question.
The purpose of the death penalty isn't to remove a person from society or some such bullshiat.  It is to extract tortuous vengeance upon the person and their loved ones.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.
 
2014-01-16 03:28:15 PM  
As someone who is anti-death penalty because of the fact that it costs more and our legal system is incompetent at best and biased against the poor and minorities at worst....fark this guy's "suffering"

Since he admitted it and the DNA evidence was there, hang him high!

If there was ANY shred of doubt, I would be in agreement with those posting against this cruel and/or unusual punishment.


/should have thrown him in gen-pop for life
 
2014-01-16 03:28:35 PM  

ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"


when such guilt is tied to the rape and killing of a young pregnant woman it does.
 
2014-01-16 03:28:55 PM  
Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.
 
2014-01-16 03:29:27 PM  

Captain Steroid: I miss the guillotine.


^THIS
 
2014-01-16 03:29:30 PM  
I'm against the death penalty, not because I have any issues with a piece of shiat like McGuire dying a prolonged, agonizing death, but because the justice system is so incompetent and corrupt.
 
2014-01-16 03:29:37 PM  

for good or for awesome: I heard in Russia they told you they needed to take your picture.  Put you in a little booth and tell you to look at the "camera".  Can't get much more "humane" than that.


which if fine and dandy if you're the first guy and totally unaware but somehow if what you say is true and therefore common knowledge, I wouldn't exactly call it a comforting thought when the prison guards comes by and tell me it's picture day for me.
 
2014-01-16 03:29:44 PM  

FlashHarry: so, both cruel AND unusual.

farking barbaric.


I dunno, I'd be willing to be people die gasping and choking all the time.  Not that unusual.

Now, for it to really be unusual, you'd have to do something like dress him up in a plaid frock, smother him with elderberry jam and pelt him to death with ravenous badgers while a live band plays 'Nearer My God to Thee' in the background.   That would be unusual.
 
2014-01-16 03:30:29 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"


I think you're going to find that the people who support the death penalty fairly unwavering in their agreement with it.

Like me. There is nothing wrong with killing an attacker, a rapist, or a murderer where proof of guilt is established beyond the shadow of a doubt, and all due care has been exhausted to ensure that nothing is left unchecked.

Likewise, if I see someone raping a woman, or molesting a kid, or doing some other thing of that nature, I will sure as hell have no second thoughts about killing him to stop it.
 
2014-01-16 03:30:36 PM  
Some states (Texas for example) are more concerned with killing someone that making sure they are executing the perpetrator of the crime!  Once a person has been executed the case is closed, if that is the wrong person then the perpetrator of MURDER is free!

I am more in favor of locking people up, escape from anything above a county jail is absurdly rare, and no one has escaped from a supermax.  Then in cases where the convicted is found innocent due to new evidence or misconduct it's fairly straight forward.  Once they're dead, not so much.

In the cases of people (Ted Bundy for example) who are guilty beyond, beyond, beyond.   I propose a new method of execution based on an old method of execution.   three high powered remote controled rifles that point to the heart on the soon to die, the sentence carried out by the state Governor typing in a code that causes the rifles to fire.

If somehow the executed is found to be innocent,  then the governor can be booked for Murder 1, avoiding all those pesky lawsuits.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:05 PM  

Joe Blowme: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

THIS times eleventy billion


I don't understand this at all. You are not responsible for what this piece of shiat did. You are responsible for what the State does in your name. He acted as a monster so the State in our name should also act as a monster? That lowers us to his level. I want my government to be better than this piece of shiat.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:07 PM  

Lawnchair: Rope, guillotine, firing squad, nitrogen narcosis chamber (apparently no pain like cyanide, no toxic cleanup afterward).  How hard is this people?


I've heard the nitrogen method mentioned before. Basically, pure nitrogen (which is about 80% of what we breathe anyway) is used to displace all of the oxygen in the atmosphere of the chamber. Supposedly, it would avoid the reactions associated with toxic gasses, and also prevent the panic reactions associated with a build-up of carbon dioxide in the system, because the body would still be able to expel carbon dioxide.

Lethal injection is rapidly becoming a farce, and makes firing squads and hanging look like good options by comparison.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:30 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


You must have never taken morphine. That shiat burns. It ie far from painless. It just a lot better than the pain you have.
 
2014-01-16 03:31:57 PM  
Do they put they put these guys to sleep at all first?  What keeps one of them from thrashing about and  screaming at the top of their lungs "Please shoot me!!!! The pain is too much!!!!

That's what I would do.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:07 PM  
Its not unusual if we start killing them all that way.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:10 PM  

hobnail: orclover: Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers

If you're trying to be intentionally brutal burning at the stake isn't really effective.  The victim usually asphyxiates before they burn.


I personally like the idea of taking two of the beetles used to strip the flesh off of bones for study and inserting them into the ear canals.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:11 PM  

Intrepid00: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

You must have never taken morphine. That shiat burns. It ie far from painless. It just a lot better than the pain you have.


It's a good burn.
 
2014-01-16 03:32:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.


That and the lady apparently made the wrong rape vs murder choice.

/Will this be a direct flight?
 
2014-01-16 03:32:39 PM  
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/nothing obscure
 
2014-01-16 03:33:01 PM  

EyeballKid: Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.


500 head of dairy cows on a farm in Wisconsin. You were saying?
 
2014-01-16 03:33:09 PM  

lennavan: It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.


No, it doesn't, and your idea of how a justice system ought to function is insanely terrifying. Thank god nobody ever asked you how things should work and let's hope nobody ever does.
 
2014-01-16 03:33:13 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless


Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.
 
2014-01-16 03:33:28 PM  
When was the last time a rich person was executed for their crimes in the US?

Think about that.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:01 PM  
Any justice system that can't impose capital punishment isn't really a justice system at all.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:25 PM  

WhyKnot: ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"

when such guilt is tied to the rape and killing of a young pregnant woman it does.


If you put extra conditions on it then it's not automatic in the context of the post you were responding to now is it?
 
2014-01-16 03:34:25 PM  
And while we are at it, this FTFA.


   "We have forgiven him, but that does not negate the need for him to pay for his actions," said a statement released by Carol Avery, Stewart's sister, after McGuire's death.

I would not presume to tell her that she should forgive him, but if this is her attitude, she hasn't forgiven him. That makes her statement just a meaningless sound bite.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:40 PM  
It sounds like the guy was under the effect of general anesthesia. The whole point of using general anesthesia in these things: a fallback in case the method itself fails to work properly. It sounds like the fallback worked, but the drug did not, so I'd still call this botched, but not to the point of cruelty.

I guess I'm a bit strange, in that I support the death penalty but not life-without-parole, which I see as far more cruel. That said, I'd support tighter requirements before the death penalty can be applied: hard proof with forensic verification should be necessary, above and beyond the "reasonable doubt" standard needed to convict, or else the maximum sentence is capped at whatever we consider the most severe punishment short of death.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:50 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


The hydrocodone they used is 10 time more powerful than morphine. The procedure should OD him on a powerful sedative, use artificial ventilation to keep him oxygenated, and then stop the heart with sodium bicarbonate solution. After a few minutes the ventilation can be stopped because his brain will be dead.

People rarely ever die in the peaceful way they depict in movies. Almost everyone with at least a bit of a function nervous system will have an agonal response similar to the one described in the FA. This is why executions should not have non-professional witnesses. Certainly not family.
 
2014-01-16 03:35:22 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: So here's another one: is it OK to only execute poor people?


First, how many poor people equals one rich one?
 
2014-01-16 03:35:48 PM  
Why should execution be painless?  That seems like a stupid prerequisite.
 
2014-01-16 03:35:50 PM  

Somaticasual: The problem with firing squads is two-fold, though I agree it seems 1000x more merciful than this botched excecution.
1) it leaves most of the firing squad members wondering if they're a murderer for the rest of their life. With poison, at least the 'executioner' gets to tell themselves 'well, i just pressed a button, the timer on the machine did the execution..'
2) basically, it's gruesome for the families of both the victim and the perpetrator. OTOH, compared to this, it's not that gruesome.


So why not just simply automate it like we do with lethal injection.

If you can press a button and have a machine do all the work for a lethal injection, there is no reason why you can't have a machine that shoots the inmate in the head instead.  Strap them down, use a laser sight to assure the bullet is going to hit the right part of the brain stem, press the button, and at some random time the machine shoots.

/Still thing the implosion idea is better.
 
2014-01-16 03:36:09 PM  

Fano: orclover: Quick, Painless, Flawless.  Why fark around?  If drug companies dont want to be associated with executions then we have plenty of alternatives.  Make sure to publisize it and hold up a sign that says "This needlessly brutal execution brought to you by big pharma, be sure to thank them!"
Also bring back Burning at the stake for kiddy diddlers, we could run round the clock footage of all the states executions on its own cable channel with comercials to make up the cost.

Would be the most viewed channel in farking history, and you farking know it.

Who can forget Whitman, Price, and Haddad?


Last seasons winners.

/waits for correction
 
2014-01-16 03:36:29 PM  

Kit Fister: EyeballKid: Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.

500 head of dairy cows on a farm in Wisconsin. You were saying?


I was saying your grasp of the language's colloquialisms could be stronger. Wait, I'm sorry, is English your second language?
 
2014-01-16 03:36:30 PM  

JackieRabbit: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

The hydrocodone they used is 10 time more powerful than morphine. The procedure should OD him on a powerful sedative, use artificial ventilation to keep him oxygenated, and then stop the heart with sodium bicarbonate solution. After a few minutes the ventilation can be stopped because his brain will be dead.

People rarely ever die in the peaceful way they depict in movies. Almost everyone with at least a bit of a function nervous system will have an agonal response similar to the one described in the FA. This is why executions should not have non-professional witnesses. Certainly not family.


I disagree. Executions should in fact be open to the public, and even publicly broadcast.

That may cause a reassessment of popular support for capital punishment.
 
2014-01-16 03:36:32 PM  
I have a few ideas ...
 
2014-01-16 03:36:57 PM  

Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

/Though if it were up to me we'd have a very very high burden of proof that the person was guilty before actually executing them.   Can't absolutely prove that the person did it, no execution.


DNA evidence and a confession is the definition of a high burden of proof being fulfilled. 

You don't want to die a horrible death? Don't rape and kill. Pretty simple really.

TV's Vinnie: When was the last time a rich person was executed for their crimes in the US?

Think about that.


Probably a gangster or drug kingpin of some kind. Just because you are rich doesn't make you better or less likely to get death row. The thing is that most people whom are rich don't commit capital crimes... They just pay someone else to do it.
 
2014-01-16 03:36:57 PM  

jigger: He was convicted 25 years ago? The swift sword of justice, I guess.


And, see, here inlies the problem with capital punishment is in this country.  He's been sitting in jail for 25 years, with more than enough time to regret and repent what he had done.  This to such an extent, that you almost feel sorry for his manner of execution.
I can assure you, if he were executed immediately following the conviction of rape and murder of a pregnant woman, proponents of the death penalty (like myself), would have liked to have seen even MORE pain and suffering.  As it stands, it's just too far after the fact.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:04 PM  
Great job Ohio, now you're probably going to have to pay the man's family millions of dollars, while the victim's family only has their memories. Great 'experiment'

/you know who else did biochem experiments on convicts?
 
2014-01-16 03:37:19 PM  

The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....


Exactly.

I ain't exactly playing a full-sized violin for this idiot.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:23 PM  

Bf+: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine? We know it works, and we know it's painless

I think you just answered your own question.
The purpose of the death penalty isn't to remove a person from society or some such bullshiat.  It is to extract tortuous vengeance upon the person and their loved ones.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.


So we can go with my other idea, then.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:25 PM  

LeroyBourne: special20: Maybe I was wrong... our capital punishment technology can borrow from the past and do pretty well. Plus it helps out a whole bunch of starving circus elephants who I care for more than I do a rapist/murderer.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 414x600]

Holy hardcore.  You learn something new everyday.


The Mongols would tie you down and break your back
Some greek city states tossed you into a giant smoker shaped like a bull
 
2014-01-16 03:37:25 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.


He farking admitted it.  Get off your soapbox.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:38 PM  

skozlaw: lennavan: It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.

No, it doesn't, and your idea of how a justice system ought to function is insanely terrifying. Thank god nobody ever asked you how things should work and let's hope nobody ever does.


I'm OK with his definition of a justice system. Remove those who commit the worst, most atrocious crimes from society and from the face of the earth. Permanent cold storage.  We have enough humans on this planet that those who do especially evil things deserve to be removed from it.
 
2014-01-16 03:37:47 PM  

skozlaw: lennavan: It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.

No, it doesn't, and your idea of how a justice system ought to function is insanely terrifying. Thank god nobody ever asked you how things should work and let's hope nobody ever does.


I don't know why you're terrified of a justice system that executes raping murderers.  What exactly are you worried about, they'll come back as zombies or what?
 
2014-01-16 03:37:48 PM  

nmrsnr: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

You'd have to automate it. One of the reason they stopped was that the men on the firing squads were (for want of a better word) squeamish, so you got stories of three rounds of volleys from 15 feet that all missed the guys head, so he instead bleeds out very, very painfully.


Easy solution. Open it up to let local NRA gun nut volunteers do it. And give them a little room afterwards so they can go stroke off one.
 
2014-01-16 03:38:36 PM  

TheWhoppah: Any justice system that can't impose capital punishment isn't really a justice system at all.


And any pizza without anchovies isn't really a pizza at all.

What's your point?
 
2014-01-16 03:38:55 PM  

TheWhoppah: DarkSoulNoHope: The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.

More Willingham bullshiat?  The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, regardless of what the Net Yorker magazine does to sell subscriptions.  I'll give you that Carl DeLuna in 1989 might have been innocent.  But most of those innocence claims from Texas are pure bullshiat.  Texas did have a bunch of RAPE exhortations because Dallas saved all the rape kits going back into the 1970s and then went back and DNA tested all of them.  Every other city in the nation disposed of their old rape kits so there was nothing left to test... so Texas gets a black-eye over it.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.


How do you define overwhelming? IIRC the only actual evidence was the later disputed arson report? Unless you're including the Led Zeppelin posters and snake tattoos as evidence. Or his cowardice.
 
2014-01-16 03:39:18 PM  

Mirandized: Joe Blowme: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

THIS times eleventy billion

I don't understand this at all. You are not responsible for what this piece of shiat did. You are responsible for what the State does in your name. He acted as a monster so the State in our name should also act as a monster? That lowers us to his level. I want my government to be better than this piece of shiat.


Like abortion? Better like that? At least this guy was guilty (DNA), unlike the unborn
 
2014-01-16 03:39:20 PM  

EyeballKid: Kit Fister: EyeballKid: Between this and the thread about Mrs. Tannenhill's gun, there are a lot of all-hat-no-cattle-cowboys on Fark.

500 head of dairy cows on a farm in Wisconsin. You were saying?

I was saying your grasp of the language's colloquialisms could be stronger. Wait, I'm sorry, is English your second language?


No, I simply chose to take your colloquialism at face value rather than responding to its intended message. However, in response to its intended message, I have seen the business end of this kind of thing. It ain't pretty. But at the same time, having dealt with the sort of people who do the acts this man did, I have nothing but contempt for them and would gladly pay to pull the trigger.
 
2014-01-16 03:39:36 PM  

dittybopper: Bf+: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine? We know it works, and we know it's painless

I think you just answered your own question.
The purpose of the death penalty isn't to remove a person from society or some such bullshiat.  It is to extract tortuous vengeance upon the person and their loved ones.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

So we can go with my other idea, then.


Wouldn't a blast with a shotgun to the side of the head be cheaper and easier?
 
2014-01-16 03:39:46 PM  

manwithplanx: Great job Ohio, now you're probably going to have to pay the man's family millions of dollars, while the victim's family only has their memories. Great 'experiment'

/you know who else did biochem experiments on convicts?


Nazis, Imperial Japanese Army, Soviets...and I think the US did a few VD experiments on blacks by withholding medicines...
 
2014-01-16 03:39:58 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So you wanted him to die in a more humane way than his victim.. F that.

He does not deserve the right to die a comfortable, painless death.


The 8th Amendment to the United States Constitution says you are 100% wrong.  When the state is executing a horrible criminal for his crimes, it is SUPPOSED to be akin to putting down a rabid dog.  Permanently removing someone from society for a crime so horrible that he should pay for it with his life.  Cold and emotionless.  It is not supposed to be farking torture.  You want to torture a man to death for being a living piece of garbage?  Move to the Congo.  I'm sure there are loads of acceptable targets for you to whit your bloodlust on there.

And before you ask why I care so much about this...thing instead of its victim, I don't.  He can burn in Hell for all I care.  But if we allow the state to start torturing people who it deems fit to death, well, that's it then.  We will have become no better than the worst totalitarian dictatorships of history.  It's easy to say that a "man" who raped and murdered a pregnant woman has such a fate coming, but who's to say that the acceptable range of criminals to inflict such a punishment on doesn't grow?

/of course, some people actually think that capital punishment shouldn't be something our government is in the process of doling out
//One can have all the compassion in the world for the victim while still upholding the mores of civilization.  Despite what you might have been told, you do not have to let yourself become a monster to fight monsters.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:16 PM  
You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:34 PM  

WTFDYW: r1niceboy: WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.

But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?

When the DNA says you did it, you DID it. Thanks for playing. Please come back later.


Every single person on death row has been convicted using DNA tests? Proof s'il vous plait.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:59 PM  

Mirandized: Joe Blowme: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

THIS times eleventy billion

I don't understand this at all. You are not responsible for what this piece of shiat did. You are responsible for what the State does in your name. He acted as a monster so the State in our name should also act as a monster? That lowers us to his level. I want my government to be better than this piece of shiat.


The guy had problems breathing for a few minutes while he was passed out.

I fail to see how that equates with raping and stabbing a pregnant woman to death.

Here's how much I care about this guy:

Not at all.  Not one fark is given about this guy's feelings or well-being.
 
2014-01-16 03:41:01 PM  
There are certain cases to bring up how inhumane and foolish the death penalty. Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt Stabby McRapy here is not one of them. I'm *glad* he suffered, though I would have prefered if they left him in jail instead of executing him. That way he would suffer even longer. Non-existence is probably a step up for him, they did him a favor he didn't deserve.
 
2014-01-16 03:41:23 PM  
FREE HAT!
 
2014-01-16 03:41:36 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.


~~DNA evidence confirmed McGuire's guilt

Read harder next time.
 
2014-01-16 03:41:39 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: nmrsnr: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

You'd have to automate it. One of the reason they stopped was that the men on the firing squads were (for want of a better word) squeamish, so you got stories of three rounds of volleys from 15 feet that all missed the guys head, so he instead bleeds out very, very painfully.

Easy solution. Open it up to let local NRA gun nut volunteers do it. And give them a little room afterwards so they can go stroke off one.


I think the state could offer lottery tickets where the winner gets to take the shot. Help recoup some of the cost...
 
2014-01-16 03:42:10 PM  

TheWhoppah: Why should execution be painless?  That seems like a stupid prerequisite.


For sure - I've been an advocate of dishing out an equivalency in means by which our states dispose of murderers. This clown should have gotten what he had given to his victim.

/no hat
//ate the cattle
 
2014-01-16 03:42:13 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: I have a few ideas ...


Well, your Fark handle does raise a question or two.  What recipe did Kevorkian use for assisting the terminally I'll to die?  How much pain was actually involved with this concoction, if any at all?  Of I remember, it puts one to sleep, then kills them.  What is so bad about that?
 
2014-01-16 03:42:21 PM  

Dimensio: I disagree. Executions should in fact be open to the public, and even publicly broadcast.

That may cause a reassessment of popular support for capital punishment.



Because nobody wants to watch you throw the Christians to the lions:
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Haha!  Just kidding.  The stadium is full.
Programs!  Get your programs here!  'Can't tell the Christians from the Lions without your programs!  Only $5 for the commemorative program!  Programs!
 
2014-01-16 03:42:24 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


They essentially did overdose him on morphine. The two drugs used in this execution were Versed and Dilaudid. Dilaudid is an opioid and very similar to morphine only it is stronger.
 
2014-01-16 03:42:34 PM  

Mirandized: And while we are at it, this FTFA.


   "We have forgiven him, but that does not negate the need for him to pay for his actions," said a statement released by Carol Avery, Stewart's sister, after McGuire's death.

I would not presume to tell her that she should forgive him, but if this is her attitude, she hasn't forgiven him. That makes her statement just a meaningless sound bite.


That's the Xtian in them wanting to appear enlightened and keep blood off their hands, but the human animal in them still seethes and can't stand the perceived injustice of this guy getting to live.
 
2014-01-16 03:43:00 PM  

Target Builder: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless

Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.


You know who else used Carbon Monoxide to execute people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp#Pure_extermination_c am ps
 
2014-01-16 03:43:04 PM  

Captain Steroid: I miss the guillotine.


How about one for your next knosh?

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2014-01-16 03:43:07 PM  

NEDM: And before you ask why I care so much about this...thing instead of its victim, I don't. He can burn in Hell for all I care. But if we allow the state to start torturing people who it deems fit to death, well, that's it then.


I agree.  The state didn't intend to torture him.  The state should learn from this, figure out what could be improved upon and apply to the future.

The vast majority of pro death penalty people here are not saying torture should be the goal.  They are saying the least torturous way possible should be the goal but if shiat happens along the way, well it's happening to people like this raping murderer so "meh."  Don't mistake indifference for support.
 
2014-01-16 03:43:34 PM  

neversubmit: Intrepid00: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

You must have never taken morphine. That shiat burns. It ie far from painless. It just a lot better than the pain you have.

It's a good burn.


Like being sucked off by an angel...
 
2014-01-16 03:43:57 PM  

lordjupiter: That's the Xtian in them wanting to appear enlightened and keep blood off their hands, but the human animal in them still seethes and can't stand the perceived injustice of this guy getting to live.


I'm sure if she could go back to that biblical time that she imagines the crucifixion to have been, she'd be screaming for Barabbas.
 
2014-01-16 03:44:04 PM  
ShadowKamui:

The Mongols would tie you down and break your back
Some greek city states tossed you into a giant smoker shaped like a bull


I'm aware of those two, just never an elephant squashing your head like a bug.  yikes
 
2014-01-16 03:44:11 PM  
We should use hyperbaric chambers. Drop them to 300 feet and then throw open the valves. Running a compressor is cheap.
 
2014-01-16 03:44:52 PM  

Kit Fister: ElwoodCuse: Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"

I think you're going to find that the people who support the death penalty fairly unwavering in their agreement with it.

Like me. There is nothing wrong with killing an attacker, a rapist, or a murderer where proof of guilt is established beyond the shadow of a doubt, and all due care has been exhausted to ensure that nothing is left unchecked.

Likewise, if I see someone raping a woman, or molesting a kid, or doing some other thing of that nature, I will sure as hell have no second thoughts about killing him to stop it.


I'm 100% with you.  I have no moral problem with killing someone to stop a crime in action.

However, I have a huge problem allowing the state to kill.  It's not about compassion or "sinking to their level", it's a simple matter of mistrust.
 
2014-01-16 03:45:52 PM  
Side note: does anyone give a rat's ass? OK, anyone important?
 
2014-01-16 03:46:27 PM  

lordjupiter: You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.


In that case there seems to be a perfectly reasonable moral reason to end the death penalty.  All actions of the state are done in the name of 'the people' if even one person is against the death penalty it is morally wrong to kill someone in their name.  The state allows conscientious objectors to abstain from combat roles does it not?
 
2014-01-16 03:46:47 PM  

dark brew: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.

They essentially did overdose him on morphine. The two drugs used in this execution were Versed and Dilaudid. Dilaudid is an opioid and very similar to morphine only it is stronger.


Then I fail to see the problem.  His body may have had a reaction, but I doubt he would have felt it.
 
2014-01-16 03:46:58 PM  

WTFDYW: super_grass: Just use a firing squad if you want someone dead.

- no complex medical procedure
- hard to screw up
- bullets are pretty damn cheap
- quick death for the convict
- organs that aren't shot can be put to good use

Yeah but there's a pretty long waiting list for hearts.


BOOM HEADSHOT
 
2014-01-16 03:47:01 PM  
Good to know we're still on par with those other civilized countries. Murica!

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2014-01-16 03:47:52 PM  

ShadowKamui: Just gas them w/ nitrous or CO2


Carbon monoxide works better, faster and leaves their skin a cheery pink colour for the cameras.  There is a  slight chance of convulsions, but those will happen after brain death which usually occurs within twenty to thirty seconds.  The best thing about carbon monoxide is that fools the body into thinking it's getting enough oxygen thus there is no gasping or hyperventilating etc.  Helium is another usable option, but the convict should be mildly sedated first.  These methods mind you are far too humane for the typical death row inmate, but they are no muss and no fuss, which is what the politicians would want in order to maintain their rep as tough but fair.

source: google carbon monoxide poisoning  or for helium look up, "The final exit"
 
2014-01-16 03:48:14 PM  
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2014-01-16 03:48:33 PM  
i vote for death by ones own actions.
 
2014-01-16 03:48:51 PM  

KidneyStone: I would volunteer to be on the firing squad. I seriously doubt it would bother me much.


Wow, dude, you are like, so totally tough and bad-ass! I bet nobody's every messed with a bad-ass such as yourself, right? 'Cos you're so awesome and bad-ass and tough?
 
2014-01-16 03:48:54 PM  
We need to stop executing people.  Such a waste of human resources.

I mean, really, who knows when we'll be at the point of teleportation testing where we can attempt it with humans?  I say we keep them around, freeze them if necessary, and use them as volunteers (trust me, they'll volunteer) for test subjects.

Who knows what other uses they could have, too.  Soylent green's not just a fanciful though anymore.
 
2014-01-16 03:49:37 PM  
Experimental murder committed by the state.
Beautiful complement to the religion of peace and revenge, Christianity.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:01 PM  
What about going old school and using hanging? If it's done right, he's dead instantly. As it is, I can't feel too sorry for this particular guy (I don't place much stock in unsupported confessions, but if the DNA was legit and his story matched, well ...) but don't care for the precedent it sets.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:28 PM  
Gasping and snorting aside, if he was dosed with midazolam, he wasn't awake when it was happening. Neither would he have had any recollection of the event if he had somehow survived. Add some hydromorphone on top of the midazolam, and I guarantee his death was more painful for his family than it was for him.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:29 PM  
I wonder how much the murder rate would go down if the form of corporal punishment was "torn to shreds by pack of hungry viscous dogs"...smaller ones so it takes longer. Show them live on TV as well, that way the citizens know your serious.

I know it wouldn't stop people killing each other, but what it might do is that the criminal would be more likely kill themselves preferring a bullet to the head then being torn to shreds by dogs and just think how much money that would save the tax-payers with not having to pay for those lengthy trials and prison stays.
 
2014-01-16 03:50:40 PM  

Egoy3k: lordjupiter: You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.

In that case there seems to be a perfectly reasonable moral reason to end the death penalty.  All actions of the state are done in the name of 'the people' if even one person is against the death penalty it is morally wrong to kill someone in their name.  The state allows conscientious objectors to abstain from combat roles does it not?


You aren't being made to physically throw the switch. Apples and orangutans.
 
2014-01-16 03:51:09 PM  
I find it fascinating that the people who think the government has too much power and is incompetent are by and large huge supporters of the death penalty.

One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world.  Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.
 
Bf+
2014-01-16 03:51:29 PM  

Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer


Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.
 
2014-01-16 03:51:43 PM  

Zizzowop: Good to know we're still on par with those other civilized countries. Murica!

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I'm curious to know what the rates are for people "disappearing" in those countries greed out.  ...except for Australia.  It's impossible to know what is going or kill you in Australia.  There's too many things there trying to kill you there.
 
2014-01-16 03:51:51 PM  
Submittard and HuffPo are exaggerating liars, trolling for clicks.

Headline:
...gasped and snorted for 15 minutes...

Article:
...inmate appeared to gasp several times and took 15 minutes to die...
McGuire was still for almost five minutes, then emitted a loud snot, as if snoring, and continued to make that sound over the next several minutes....A coughing sound was Dennis McGuire's last apparent movement, at 10:43 am.  He was pronounced dead 10 minutes later.


So, basically, he was quiet for 5 minutes, he snored for 5 minutes, was quiet again for 5 minutes, then coughed once and died.  But instead of that, let's write a headline that makes it sound like he was choking and writhing against his restraints for 15 minutes...
 
2014-01-16 03:51:59 PM  
We'll never know if he suffered. Having a hard time working up some tears for this one, though.

If he wanted any consideration, he shouldn't have raped and killed a pregnant woman and subsequently admitted to it. Fark him.
 
2014-01-16 03:52:31 PM  

lennavan: ElwoodCuse: lennavan: Lando Lincoln: WhyKnot: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

DNA and he admitted to it.   Try again.

This isn't about him, or his case. It's about a system.

But in this case it was right to do.  You probably want to wait til the next thread to make your case.

Certainty of guilt does not automatically make the death penalty "right"

It does when you're guilty of raping and murdering a pregnant girl and the family of the victim supports it.


Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
 
2014-01-16 03:53:00 PM  
NEDM


Random Anonymous Blackmail: So you wanted him to die in a more humane way than his victim.. F that.

He does not deserve the right to die a comfortable, painless death.

The 8th Amendment to the United States Constitution says you are 100% wrong...


We seem to change all the other parts of the Constitution, why not this one?
 
2014-01-16 03:53:06 PM  

ChipNASA: [i.chzbgr.com image 340x450]


Necklacing?

Something similar seems to have happened in the killing of Matthew Goniwe and his fellow anti-apartheid activists by the police in July 1985.

Here. You can read about it here

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/6006

/at least I cited sources
 
2014-01-16 03:53:07 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

~~DNA evidence confirmed McGuire's guilt

Read harder next time.


This just in: DNA evidence has never been overturned.
 
2014-01-16 03:53:26 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Zizzowop: Good to know we're still on par with those other civilized countries. Murica!

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I'm curious to know what the rates are for people "disappearing" in those countries greed out.  ...except for Australia.  It's impossible to know what is going or kill you in Australia.  There's too many things there trying to kill you there.


Greyed out, not greed out.

FTFM
 
2014-01-16 03:54:02 PM  

Bf+: Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer

Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.


I didn't feel joy, but it didn't offend me.     He was the monster that put all this into motion.   His children did not have to attend, that was their decision.
 
2014-01-16 03:54:18 PM  

Jesus built my hybrid: Do they put they put these guys to sleep at all first?  What keeps one of them from thrashing about and  screaming at the top of their lungs "Please shoot me!!!! The pain is too much!!!!

That's what I would do.


Usually the first drug is to knock them out so yes.
 
2014-01-16 03:54:50 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


It's probably been said already, but they pretty much did.  Hydromorphone is a much more powerful derivative of morphine - 10x as powerful IIRC.  The midazolam is an anxiolytic like valium/diazepam.  This guy was on a nice little trip without having to leave Ohio when he was put to death, not agonizing in pain...
 
2014-01-16 03:55:27 PM  

dittybopper: my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light. They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


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But what if Simmons yanks it out?

/She could yank mine out anyday....
 
2014-01-16 03:55:36 PM  

Bf+: Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer

Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.


Nobody said they HAD to do anything.  That was their own choice.
 
2014-01-16 03:55:36 PM  

The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....


Compassion Hunger trumps air hunger.
 
2014-01-16 03:55:53 PM  

you are a puppet: TheWhoppah: DarkSoulNoHope: The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.

More Willingham bullshiat?  The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, regardless of what the Net Yorker magazine does to sell subscriptions.  I'll give you that Carl DeLuna in 1989 might have been innocent.  But most of those innocence claims from Texas are pure bullshiat.  Texas did have a bunch of RAPE exhortations because Dallas saved all the rape kits going back into the 1970s and then went back and DNA tested all of them.  Every other city in the nation disposed of their old rape kits so there was nothing left to test... so Texas gets a black-eye over it.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

How do you define overwhelming? IIRC the only actual evidence was the later disputed arson report? Unless you're including the Led Zeppelin posters and snake tattoos as evidence. Or his cowardice.


Willingham's own explanation for what happened:  I was napping in the back room with Amber when she woke me up yelling about the smoke so I got up and left out the front door.

Three year old Amber's body was found under the covers in the back bedroom.  The path from the back bedroom to the front door would have taken him past the room where the twin infants were sleeping.  Their bodies were found in that room.

So, even if you ignore the half-dozen empty bottles of lighter fluid and the neighbors that reported seeing him outside acting funny peeking in the windows and doors BEFORE any smoke came out of the house... even if you ignore the testimony of the fire investigators that spent 3 days going through the rubble.  Even if you take Willingham's explanation as 100% gospel truth... then he just walked out and left his three kids to die in a fire without even trying to save them... one of whom was in the same room with him and alerted him to the smoke.  The jury obviously didn't believe him and neither should you... but even if you do and you are right .... well I still think he was a monster who deserved a lot worse than lethal injection.  Oh, and those fire reports were not debunked exactly.  They found almost two dozen "clues of arson" that, at the time, it was believed that those clues ONLY appeared in arson fires.  We now know that some of them can sometimes appear in non-arson fires too.  Still, there was plenty of forensic evidence to support the arson conviction even if some of those clues were only 90% likely causes instead of 100%.  What are the chances of over dozen 10% chances all going that way?  The prosecution theory was that he killed his three kids to spite his wife.  His last words were to her, "fark You, biatch!"
 
2014-01-16 03:55:59 PM  

dittybopper: Target Builder: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless

Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.

You know who else used Carbon Monoxide to execute people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp#Pure_extermination_c am ps


You do realize they were also the #1 users of the guillotine
 
2014-01-16 03:56:12 PM  
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Hanging is an excellent way to perform executions, but the British got it right with the long drop.  Snaps the neck, so it's instant unconsciousness.  The American method relies on strangulation and is too slow.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:12 PM  
A simple bullet to the head. Followed by a second just in case. Wtf kinda crap is using poisons? Seems pretty unusual to me.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:16 PM  
My god the report on that guy...

He then explained that because she was so pregnant, it was difficult to engage in sex with her, so instead he anally sodomized her. Joy then became "hysterical," which made McGuire nervous. He ended up killing Joy for fear that he would go to jail for raping a pregnant woman.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:36 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


I say morphine, then guillotine, and then dynamite.

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If he gets up and walk away after that, then he's Casca Longinus and you'll never kill him anyway.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:50 PM  
I just love that the people who are all "get government outta our lives" are all "get government into our deaths". This experiment was cruel and barbaric regardless of what this man's crimes were. The death penalty is not the act of a civilized society.
 
2014-01-16 03:57:10 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cold_Sassy: Lando Lincoln: The Muthaship: So, does he usually snore?

I wonder of the pregnant lady he raped and stabbed to death suffered more or less than he did.....

Nobody was ever wrongfully convicted. Nope.

~~DNA evidence confirmed McGuire's guilt

Read harder next time.

This just in: DNA evidence has never been overturned.


But if the DNA evidence is used to exonerate somebody, it's 100% correct?  Interesting...
 
2014-01-16 03:57:23 PM  
This is an OUTRAGE...

....reads part that says " put McGuire to death for the 1989 rape and fatal stabbing of a pregnant woman"

Changed my mind, let the coont suffer
 
2014-01-16 03:57:34 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


That's basically what they did.


HydroMorphone, not actual Morphine, but along the same line.
 
2014-01-16 03:57:56 PM  

Ghastly: The death penalty is not the act of a civilized society.


If this meeting of paper tigers and Internet Tough Guys is any indication, ours is sadly nowhere close to a civilized society.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:04 PM  
Screw Nancy Grace and screw experimental drugs. If they must:

Small garage, limousine, full tank of gas, top shelf bourbon. Job done.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:18 PM  

chevydeuce: But if the DNA evidence is used to exonerate somebody, it's 100% correct? Interesting...


It would certainly count as reasonable doubt.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:37 PM  

dameron: I find it fascinating that the people who think the government has too much power and is incompetent are by and large huge supporters of the death penalty.

One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world.  Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.


I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.
 
2014-01-16 03:58:48 PM  
Dude had an overdose of narcotics and sedatives - I wouldn't feel too sorry for him.  He was probably living out his bucket list in his final minutes, if only in his mind.
 
2014-01-16 03:59:10 PM  
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2014-01-16 03:59:13 PM  

Target Builder: dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless

Or put them in an airtight room and flood it with Carbon Monoxide. They'll painlessly pass out in seconds without even knowing the execution has started, and we know it's painless from testimony of people who have survived Carbon Monoxide poisoning, and die very shortly after.

Wait 30 mins or so, vent the room and send the body over to the morgue.


I have More Than a Feeling you're right.
 
2014-01-16 03:59:46 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: I remember in the '70s, an anti-death penalty Senator from Alabama tried to pass legislation requiring all executions to be performed in the University of Alabama football stadium, with a lottery and mandatory attendance, much like jury duty. The executions were to be performed using four horses pulling in different directions, and ropes tied to to the executionee's extremities.

Probably not barbaric enough for today's sophisticated audiences.


Now that's old-skool executioning right there...
 
2014-01-16 04:00:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: This just in: DNA evidence has never been overturned.


Your opposition to the death penalty is a guy convicted by evidence which is later supported by the addition of DNA evidence and a confession might possibly be innocent?

K.
 
2014-01-16 04:00:02 PM  

EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.


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2014-01-16 04:00:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.


Well yeah, that and he raped and stabbed a 22 year old girl to death but hey, let's not split hairs, eh?
 
2014-01-16 04:00:21 PM  

durbnpoisn: jigger: He was convicted 25 years ago? The swift sword of justice, I guess.

And, see, here inlies the problem with capital punishment is in this country.  He's been sitting in jail for 25 years, with more than enough time to regret and repent what he had done.  This to such an extent, that you almost feel sorry for his manner of execution.
I can assure you, if he were executed immediately following the conviction of rape and murder of a pregnant woman, proponents of the death penalty (like myself), would have liked to have seen even MORE pain and suffering.  As it stands, it's just too far after the fact.


How the hell do you regret and repent for rape and murder?

I can understand knocking over some banks and feeling bad about it later. Selling some drugs, destroying property - hell, I might even be able to forgive someone for beating up another guy, realizing the error of his ways, and then going back and making amends whatever way he can.

Some things, though, shouldn't be "erasable", so to speak. Violating a woman, man or child because no one else will sleep with you? No second chances. Taking someone else's life for any other reason outside of defending your own? No, you don't get a chance to say that you found Jesus and everything's peachy now. In fact, I'd hope that when you do get to the Pearly Gates, some big bouncers forcibly remove you from line and make you watch as all the gay people and other "godless heathens" cheerfully walk ahead of you before they drop kick your worthless ass into whatever hell you truly belong.

"25 Years enough time to regret and repent..." Please.
 
2014-01-16 04:00:28 PM  
When convicted, use the same method to execute the criminal that the criminal used on their victim.

If their victim suffered horribly, so should the convicted criminal.
 
2014-01-16 04:01:06 PM  

Yellow Beard: I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.


Like  the billion+ Catholics out there?   Go be dumb somewhere else.
 
2014-01-16 04:01:25 PM  

Yellow Beard: dameron: I find it fascinating that the people who think the government has too much power and is incompetent are by and large huge supporters of the death penalty.

One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world.  Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.

I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.


They will probably think that enlightened people thought women were more than factories or property to be controlled by the state. And that women should decide when and if they are to give birth and not some body of legislators or a handful of old men who have never been pregnant.
 
GBB
2014-01-16 04:01:58 PM  

Bf+: Cold_Sassy: I hope he did suffer

Trolling or not...
Unlike many pro-death penalty people, at least you are proudly pro-torture.
Do you also feel joy at the pain of his son and daughter having to watch their murderous father tortured before their eyes.


They didn't have to be, nor should they have been, there.  If they are willing to accept him as a monster, then they should be prepared to deal with those demons.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:03 PM  

dittybopper: So we can go with my other idea, then.


You have to admit that it might be considered "unusual".
 
2014-01-16 04:02:32 PM  

dameron: Yellow Beard: I find it fascinating that the people who are staunch anti-death penalty types are by and large huge supporters of abortion. I wonder what those future generations will think of that.

Like  the billion+ Catholics out there?   Go be dumb somewhere else.


I know the pope is rather progressive on a few issues, but I didn't know he was now a huge support of abortion.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:42 PM  

theflatline: My god the report on that guy...

He then explained that because she was so pregnant, it was difficult to engage in sex with her, so instead he anally sodomized her. Joy then became "hysterical," which made McGuire nervous. He ended up killing Joy for fear that he would go to jail for raping a pregnant woman.


His fear was undeniably justified.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:45 PM  
A forced benzo/opiate overdose is probably less painful than the potassium containing cocktail usually employed. We should all be so lucky.
 
2014-01-16 04:02:50 PM  

dittybopper: So why don't we just overdose them with morphine?  We know it works, and we know it's painless, and it's less messy than my idea of using explosive lenses to implode the heads of criminals like the pit of an atomic bomb, which, btw, is quite humane, because the explosive shockwave is faster than nerve conduction speed, so it's like instantly turning off a light.  They'd never even know when the end happens, because they'd be dead before the sensations could reach their brains.


I entered this thread not really wanting to be here. But then I read this, and wow. I hope you're serious, because I've had this same idea and people have called it barbaric, cruel, etc.
But it makes total sense to me. It's how I'd do myself if I got to pick a way.
I don't have the energy for any more of this thread.
 
2014-01-16 04:03:05 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: Dog Welder: "And more importantly, the people of the state of Ohio should be appalled at what was done here today in their names."

As a resident of Ohio, I'm more appalled at what this jerk did to warrant the death penalty.

He was too poor to afford good lawyers.  That's how he got the death penalty.

Well yeah, that and he raped and stabbed a 22 year old girl to death but hey, let's not split hairs, eh?


So you're OK with a wealthy person getting 15 to 25 for the same crime, solely on the basis that they are wealthy?
 
2014-01-16 04:03:36 PM  

Egoy3k: lordjupiter: You guys realize that being for or against the death penalty is just an opinion, right?  And that there's no factual basis to rule out either option, or consider one morally superior to the other?

It boils down to preference once you remove the doubt about guilt.

In that case there seems to be a perfectly reasonable moral reason to end the death penalty.  All actions of the state are done in the name of 'the people' if even one person is against the death penalty it is morally wrong to kill someone in their name.  The state allows conscientious objectors to abstain from combat roles does it not?


Quite a reach.
 
GBB
2014-01-16 04:03:48 PM  

EyeballKid: Running a-puck: I'm honestly a bit baffled by people who think torture is ok as long as you're just torturing bad guys.  Torture is not ok.  Ever.  No matter what.  It's TORTURE.
Kill them quickly and painlessly and move on.

I'm honestly baffled by people who think murder is OK as long as you're just murdering bad guys.


Then you are truly baffled by murderers.
 
2014-01-16 04:04:12 PM  
I'm astonishedoso many people in this thread are whining about sympathy for this guy. Most are saying kill him humanly but by all means kill him. I don't really see that as sympathy. For the record I vote guillotine.
 
2014-01-16 04:04:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: WTFDYW: r1niceboy: WTFDYW: I'm ok with this jpg.

But are you absolutely confident that every single person in the US on death row is there legitimately? Would you be okay with doing this to someone because the cops wanted to get back to their donuts, and the DA was making a run for congress?

When the DNA says you did it, you DID it. Thanks for playing. Please come back later.

You didn't answer the question.

So here's another one: is it OK to only execute poor people?


Do you know of any rich people who have raped and murdered eight month pregnant women? Rich people are rich because they have more to do than kill and maim people.
 
2014-01-16 04:06:45 PM  
This thread is what happens when you don't explain to your children before reading them Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" or letting them watch "The Running Man" what a cautionary tale is.
 
2014-01-16 04:06:54 PM  
TEAM DOUBLE TAP!!!
 
Bf+
2014-01-16 04:07:05 PM  

WhyKnot: His children did not have to attend, that was their decision.


durbnpoisn: That was their own choice.


GBB: They didn't have to be, nor should they have been, there.


You convinced me-- They deserve far worse.
 
2014-01-16 04:07:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: So we can go with my other idea, then.

You have to admit that it might be considered "unusual".


The Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the use of "cruel and unusual" punishment. Punishments therefore may be cruel or unusual, so long as they are not both simultaneously.
 
2014-01-16 04:07:47 PM  

WTFDYW: Do you know of any rich people who have raped and murdered eight month pregnant women? Rich people are rich because they have more to do than kill and maim people.


You must have missed the whole affluenza epidemic recently.
 
2014-01-16 04:07:52 PM  

Ghastly: I just love that the people who are all "get government outta our lives" are all "get government into our deaths". This experiment was cruel and barbaric regardless of what this man's crimes were. The death penalty is not the act of a civilized society.


I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L%C3%B3pez_%28serial_killer%29
 
2014-01-16 04:09:01 PM  

theflatline: I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?


Anecdotal evidence?!
ONE anecdote?!
SHUT.
DOWN.
EVERYTHING.
 
2014-01-16 04:09:03 PM  

Kit Fister: I'm OK with his definition of a justice system. Remove those who commit the worst, most atrocious crimes from society and from the face of the earth. Permanent cold storage. We have enough humans on this planet that those who do especially evil things deserve to be removed from it.


Even ignoring the wrongness of that, the notion that a victim should automatically become an arbiter of right and wrong is insane.

Vengeance and justice are not the same thing.
 
2014-01-16 04:09:26 PM  

NEDM: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So you wanted him to die in a more humane way than his victim.. F that.

He does not deserve the right to die a comfortable, painless death.

The 8th Amendment to the United States Constitution says you are 100% wrong.  When the state is executing a horrible criminal for his crimes, it is SUPPOSED to be akin to putting down a rabid dog.  Permanently removing someone from society for a crime so horrible that he should pay for it with his life.  Cold and emotionless.  It is not supposed to be farking torture.  You want to torture a man to death for being a living piece of garbage?  Move to the Congo.  I'm sure there are loads of acceptable targets for you to whit your bloodlust on there.

And before you ask why I care so much about this...thing instead of its victim, I don't.  He can burn in Hell for all I care.  But if we allow the state to start torturing people who it deems fit to death, well, that's it then.  We will have become no better than the worst totalitarian dictatorships of history.  It's easy to say that a "man" who raped and murdered a pregnant woman has such a fate coming, but who's to say that the acceptable range of criminals to inflict such a punishment on doesn't grow?

/of course, some people actually think that capital punishment shouldn't be something our government is in the process of doling out
//One can have all the compassion in the world for the victim while still upholding the mores of civilization.  Despite what you might have been told, you do not have to let yourself become a monster to fight monsters.



Can you point to the part in the 8th amendment where it says that there can't be pain?  You are equating the prohibition on cruelty with a prohibition on pain. Surely excessive pain would be prohibited but saying that any method can't have any pain whatsoever is probably stretching the meaning beyond what the founders intended.  Especially given the methods of execution available back when the Constitution was written.  Then we had hanging as the primary method that could leave an individual dangling and suffocating if there was a mistake in the knot placement that snapped the neck.  Firing squad may have also been used which could provide pain if the marksmen were not completely accurate.  The Guilotine was in use in France and while supposedly painless was also highly graphic. So looking historically, pain while not an aim of the execution, could be an expected byproduct. It just should be minimized where possible.
 
2014-01-16 04:09:28 PM  

theflatline: [...]  He then explained that because she was so pregnant, it was difficult to engage in sex with her, so instead he anally sodomized her. Joy then became "hysterical," which made McGuire nervous. He ended up killing Joy for fear that he would go to jail for raping a pregnant woman.



dameron: [...] One day the U.S. will get over this bloodthirsty urge and join the rest of the civilized world. Hopefully this thread will be archived somewhere so the grandchildren of certain posters in this thread can see what kind of savages they were when they were young and stupid.


No nation is civilized if they DON'T execute a man for raping and killing a woman who is eight months pregnant.  If you can't execute scumbag subhumans like that then your society is not civilized.
You don't value the life of your own citizens.
 
2014-01-16 04:09:30 PM  
Giant re-enforced pit, drop them in.

Drop a fire grenade once a year to clean the place up and prevent stacking.


Easy, cheap, virtually no maintenance.
 
2014-01-16 04:09:46 PM  

TheWhoppah: Why should execution be painless?  That seems like a stupid prerequisite.


You mean, aside from the Eighth Amendment?
 
2014-01-16 04:09:48 PM  

lennavan: They are saying the least torturous way possible should be the goal but if shiat happens along the way, well it's happening to people like this raping murderer so "meh." Don't mistake indifference for support.


Which also runs counter to Amendment the Eighth. If the government "accidentally" deprives people of their First or Second Amendment rights (aside from the person generally remaining alive), they're guilty of violations and have to make it right.

McGuire's dead, and he was a murdering criminal fartypants, so no one cares.

// which is sad for several reasons
// justice is not about you getting your torture-rocks off, and it's not about "making sure the accused suffers"
// it's about The Law
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2014-01-16 04:09:57 PM  

TheWhoppah: you are a puppet: TheWhoppah: DarkSoulNoHope: The good thing to do is drag it out for all the people who may have been falsely convicted, because I know Texas has killed a couple of innocent people.

More Willingham bullshiat?  The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, regardless of what the Net Yorker magazine does to sell subscriptions.  I'll give you that Carl DeLuna in 1989 might have been innocent.  But most of those innocence claims from Texas are pure bullshiat.  Texas did have a bunch of RAPE exhortations because Dallas saved all the rape kits going back into the 1970s and then went back and DNA tested all of them.  Every other city in the nation disposed of their old rape kits so there was nothing left to test... so Texas gets a black-eye over it.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

How do you define overwhelming? IIRC the only actual evidence was the later disputed arson report? Unless you're including the Led Zeppelin posters and snake tattoos as evidence. Or his cowardice.

Willingham's own explanation for what happened:  I was napping in the back room with Amber when she woke me up yelling about the smoke so I got up and left out the front door.

Three year old Amber's body was found under the covers in the back bedroom.  The path from the back bedroom to the front door would have taken him past the room where the twin infants were sleeping.  Their bodies were found in that room.

So, even if you ignore the half-dozen empty bottles of lighter fluid and the neighbors that reported seeing him outside acting funny peeking in the windows and doors BEFORE any smoke came out of the house... even if you ignore the testimony of the fire investigators that spent 3 days going through the rubble.  Even if you take Willingham's explanation as 100% gospel truth... then he just walked out and left his three kids to die in a fire without even trying to save them... one of whom was in the same room with him and alerted him to the smoke.  The jury obviously didn't ...


I asked for evidence outside of his cowardice. I'm well aware that the reason people have no problem with his execution is because they have no respect for his non-criminal actions that night. I remember a guy who ran away from the Aurora Dark Knight shooting, got in his car and sped off while his fiance was still in the theater. He's a biatch but can we execute him based on that?

And as you stated, the arson clues were evidence "at the time" of his trial; at the time of his execution, not so much. So, the evidence is empty bottles of lighter fluid and him peeking in windows. Not so overwhelming.
 
2014-01-16 04:10:53 PM  

EyeballKid: theflatline: I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?

Anecdotal evidence?!
ONE anecdote?!
SHUT.
DOWN.
EVERYTHING.


They even made a crappy movie about it with John Leguizamo, the fake Puerto Rican.
 
2014-01-16 04:10:59 PM  
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said, 'I drank what?'
 
2014-01-16 04:11:55 PM  
Body part banks?

A part is removed for each person they killed?
 
2014-01-16 04:12:17 PM  

special20: Maybe I was wrong... our capital punishment technology can borrow from the past and do pretty well. Plus it helps out a whole bunch of starving circus elephants who I care for more than I do a rapist/murderer.

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Circus so slay?
 
2014-01-16 04:12:24 PM  

theflatline: EyeballKid: theflatline: I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?

Anecdotal evidence?!
ONE anecdote?!
SHUT.
DOWN.
EVERYTHING.

They even made a crappy movie about it with John Leguizamo, the fake Puerto Rican.


Bennie Blanco from the Bronx?
 
2014-01-16 04:12:42 PM  

Skiffy: TheWhoppah: Why should execution be painless?  That seems like a stupid prerequisite.

You mean, aside from the Eighth Amendment?


At the time that was written, criminals were drawn and quartered.  It was painful and it was legal.  It might have been cruel but it wasn't unusual.
 
2014-01-16 04:13:05 PM  

TheWhoppah: No nation is civilized if they DON'T execute a man for raping and killing a woman who is eight months pregnant. If you can't execute scumbag subhumans like that then your society is not civilized.
You don't value the life of your own citizens.


What if he was sent through time because the unborn child was to be the next Hitler?
 
2014-01-16 04:13:26 PM  

gja: Somewhere, somehow, there has to be enough of a base, visceral fear instilled into people to stop them from committing atrocities like murder.


Perhaps for some people there needs to be that, but that's not why I don't kill people.  I don't kill people because I have a sense of right and wrong.  Okay, and because I don't think I could ever get away with it.  But the whole morality aspect of it does play a factor too.
 
2014-01-16 04:14:09 PM  
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2014-01-16 04:14:42 PM  
I should have a problem with capitol punishment, I just don't.  Some people are just broken.  No amount of wanting to be fair or wishing really hard can fix them.  It seems less humane to keep a truly broken person in prison for the rest of their natural lives (extended by medication, no less).  A short, quick execution - bullet, cyanide - and the world is automatically a better place less the expense.
 
2014-01-16 04:14:45 PM  

EyeballKid: theflatline: I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?

Anecdotal evidence?!
ONE anecdote?!
SHUT.
DOWN.
EVERYTHING.


You just promised to not argue against capital punishment with a single anecdote about an innocent person on death row.  You get that, right?
 
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2014-01-16 04:14:47 PM  
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GBB
2014-01-16 04:14:48 PM  

Bf+: WhyKnot: His children did not have to attend, that was their decision.

durbnpoisn: That was their own choice.

GBB: They didn't have to be, nor should they have been, there.

You convinced me-- They deserve far worse.


You are the only one claiming they deserve anything.  Don't project your depravity onto others.  Own it.
 
2014-01-16 04:14:58 PM  

imfallen_angel: TheWhoppah: No nation is civilized if they DON'T execute a man for raping and killing a woman who is eight months pregnant. If you can't execute scumbag subhumans like that then your society is not civilized.
You don't value the life of your own citizens.

What if he was sent through time because the unborn child was to be the next Hitler?


Then he did his job and needed to be removed from our timeline before he accidentally changed anything else... so it still worked out for the best.
 
2014-01-16 04:15:03 PM  

you are a puppet: theflatline: EyeballKid: theflatline: I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?

Anecdotal evidence?!
ONE anecdote?!
SHUT.
DOWN.
EVERYTHING.

They even made a crappy movie about it with John Leguizamo, the fake Puerto Rican.

Bennie Blanco from the Bronx?


Yep, he claimed his mother was Colombian and his father was puerto rican, but his father was interviewed and both parents were from Bogota.  I saw the interview and his old man is straight up Colombian.
 
2014-01-16 04:15:28 PM  

EyeballKid: theflatline: I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?

Anecdotal evidence?!
ONE anecdote?!
SHUT.
DOWN.
EVERYTHING.


It could be 300+ anecdotes.  It's just on how you see it.
 
2014-01-16 04:16:20 PM  

lennavan: EyeballKid: theflatline: I give you Pedro Lopez,  who raped and killed over 300 young girls in Latin America in countries who do not have death penalties.

He only did 18 years in prison, and then was declared sane and released.  Is that the act of civilized society?

Anecdotal evidence?!
ONE anecdote?!
SHUT.
DOWN.
EVERYTHING.

You just promised to not argue against capital punishment with a single anecdote about an innocent person on death row.  You get that, right?


Here are the quotes from the killer.

There is a wonderful moment, a divine moment, when I have my hands around a young girl's throat. I look into her eyes and see a certain light, a spark, suddenly go out.

Her fingers flutter briefly a The moment of death is enthralling and exciting. Only those who actually kill know what I mean. Someday, when I am released, I will feel that moment again. I will be happy to kill again. It is my mission."

 Lopez lulled them with cuddles before raping them at sunrise. He explained: " When the sun rose I would strangle her. It was only good if I could see her eyes. I never killed anyone at night. It would have been wasted in the dark. I had to watch them by daylight."
 
2014-01-16 04:16:31 PM  
-Abolish the Death Penalty
-Bring back Labor Camps
-Heavily scrutinize Labor Camps to ensure no illegal profiteering is occurring
-Folks unable to perform manual labor will perform something non-physical
-Trades and Skills taught to all inmates
-Inmates must pay for their stay by working
-Those with more valuable skills or that show strong signs of work ethic, receive proportionate benefits.
 
2014-01-16 04:16:50 PM  
I don't mean to harsh anyone's mellow in here, but to be perfectly fair, his symptoms were exactly what happens when a person is given a massive overdose of narcotics, namely snoring and agonal respiration. And something tells me that he wasn't aware of anything around him, let alone the fact he was choking to death.

The only difference between this and previous executions is that they don't use the paralytic to mask the symptoms, and the potassium bolus to cause cardiac arrest.

Sounds like the State got exactly what they wanted.

However, it's hard for me to feel sorry for a man who raped and murdered a pregnant woman with a knife. He still died far easier than she did.
 
2014-01-16 04:17:09 PM  

StRalphTheLiar: Oldiron_79: Piece of rope works well and cheaper too.

And 100% recyclable for the next guy.


I'd go with 80%. There is a chance of breakage.