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(Yahoo)   After Freedom Industries' chemicals made half the state's water completely unusable, WV regulators decide it's probably good idea to do a few inspections at ALL their facilties, and shockingly, find tons of other chemical storage violations   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 124
    More: Obvious, Freedom Industries, chemical accident, storage violation, West Virginia, nitrous oxide, Tom Aluise, chemicals  
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2014-01-16 10:18:36 AM
 
2014-01-16 10:27:20 AM
A business utopia not unlike Texas in some respects
 
2014-01-16 10:34:52 AM
Are you saying that regulation and enforcement is essential to safe drinking water? THE HELL YOU SAY
 
2014-01-16 11:17:58 AM
But it's freedom pollution! Honest Americans and true patriots will drink their freedom water and not complain about it all because they are REAL MEN gotdamn it! You can take your hippie commie clean water bullshiat if you want but that's the wimpy way out.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:31 PM
Hopefully the chemical companies will successfully lobby for a new tax to appear on each resident's water bill so the enormously dire consequences of these job-killing regulations can be at least somewhat deflected.
 
2014-01-16 12:17:23 PM
Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?
 
2014-01-16 12:21:24 PM
See? This is why government regulation and oversight is a terrible thing. There were absolutely ZERO reported safety violations when nobody was going around looking for them -- and now that they are, it's through the farking roof!
 
2014-01-16 12:24:10 PM
So the free market isn't policing itself? well this is a shocker, who could have ever predicted that
 
2014-01-16 12:30:32 PM
oh, and fark you GOPers, it's this kinda shiat you bring to the nation.
 
2014-01-16 12:30:45 PM
People will just buy their clean water from the competitors
 
2014-01-16 12:32:28 PM
Why does WVA now hate capitalism?
//Freedom means free to pollute
 
2014-01-16 12:33:11 PM
Government protecting citizens from a corporation??? NEVAR
 
2014-01-16 12:33:45 PM
Freedom Industries? Cue the crying bald eagle gif.
 
2014-01-16 12:34:11 PM
Consumers will just buy their industrial coal from companies with safer records, ensuing capitalism works better than regulations.
 
2014-01-16 12:34:29 PM
cameroncrazy1984:

Weaver95:

Pocket Ninja:


Aw, man. I love you, guys!

Orange 2, Cyan 2, and Yellow 2, respectively.
 
2014-01-16 12:35:20 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-16 12:35:26 PM
I am suprised the company isnt sending bills to everyone for using their chemicals.
 
2014-01-16 12:35:26 PM
You'd think Obama would have to some to put a stop to this instead of golfing in Hawaii. As usual, the libs blue it.
 
2014-01-16 12:35:36 PM
When your liver and kidneys hang like a centenarian's tackle, you can thank your stars you lived in God's Country, West Virginia. And praise God that you were free to drink poisoned water and then defend the people who poisoned you.
 
2014-01-16 12:35:52 PM
Did anyone else notice that they might be moving their glycerin to Nitro?  Might want to think that one through again...
 
2014-01-16 12:36:26 PM
'The HELL with you government regulating my freedom!'

-Disaster strikes-

'Why the HELL didn't the government regulate to stop this from happening!?'
 
2014-01-16 12:36:46 PM

nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?


Eh, I'm all for undoing corporations but at least in this case I don't think prison is really warranted. Had people been hurt or a more dangerous chemical been spilled then I'd reconsider. Fine the company the entire cost of the cleanup, penalize them further for failing to follow safety procedures, and watch them like a hawk for years. Oh and find out why they weren't being inspected before this. That part seems to be the biggest failing in all this.
 
2014-01-16 12:38:17 PM
"Freedom" means polluting our air, land, and water; as well as spending our money away at companies that just hoard cash and don't hire anyone, ask for increased productivity from current employers, and leave wages stagnant or ask for wage and benefit concessions from Unions (or just takes them from current employees, blaming the "economy" or "marketplace"). I think we need to push for a new freedom, one that isn't defined by doublespeak and buzz words. A freedom that allows us to live comfortably, happy, and not threatened with the day to day fears of job termination, poverty, and failing health.
 
2014-01-16 12:38:34 PM
Of course the gummermint regalatin libs are going after Freedom Industries.
 
2014-01-16 12:39:07 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?

Eh, I'm all for undoing corporations but at least in this case I don't think prison is really warranted. Had people been hurt or a more dangerous chemical been spilled then I'd reconsider. Fine the company the entire cost of the cleanup, penalize them further for failing to follow safety procedures, and watch them like a hawk for years. Oh and find out why they weren't being inspected before this. That part seems to be the biggest failing in all this.


Money! It's a gas.
 
2014-01-16 12:40:17 PM
Stay tuned for 'Freedom Industries moves operations to Mississippi' next fiscal year.
 
2014-01-16 12:42:12 PM

nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?


Someone poor, maybe. Not anyone rich.
 
2014-01-16 12:42:21 PM
Also maybe not the brightest idea to put giant storage tanks of toxic chemicals right next to the water, upstream from where people get their drinking water.
 
2014-01-16 12:43:43 PM

Donnchadha: See? This is why government regulation and oversight is a terrible thing. There were absolutely ZERO reported safety violations when nobody was going around looking for them -- and now that they are, it's through the farking roof!



FOX NEWS BULLETIN: Environmental Safety violations up 167% under Obama.

FOX NEWS VIEWER: Dang that Obummer!
 
2014-01-16 12:44:09 PM

Crewmannumber6: Stay tuned for 'Freedom Industries moves operations to Mississippi' next fiscal year.


They're a coal mining company, so it would be Wyoming or Texas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal_mines_in_the_United_States
 
2014-01-16 12:44:15 PM

Pocket Ninja: Hopefully the chemical companies will successfully lobby for a new tax to appear on each resident's water bill so the enormously dire consequences of these job-killing regulations can be at least somewhat deflected.


I was wondering what that, "because fark you that's why" surcharge on my bill was all about.
 
2014-01-16 12:48:24 PM

Donnchadha: See? This is why government regulation and oversight is a terrible thing. There were absolutely ZERO reported safety violations when nobody was going around looking for them -- and now that they are, it's through the farking roof!


I didn't have ANY viruses on my PC until I installed this damn antivirus!
 
2014-01-16 12:49:27 PM
I blame the media for this. If only they weren't making such a big deal out of it, nobody would ever have known and therefore it would not have actually happened.

=Smidge=
 
2014-01-16 12:50:41 PM
Freedom Industries: Dedicated to setting your chemicals free
 
2014-01-16 12:53:15 PM
Almost sewerage West Virgina,
Kanawha River suddenly turned purple
Life is short here,
Shorter now for me,
Oh my god I'm thirsty,
And can't now make pee!
 
2014-01-16 12:53:17 PM
When the honor system stop working!?!?!
 
2014-01-16 12:53:32 PM
choosepp.net
 
2014-01-16 12:55:32 PM

Pocket Ninja: Hopefully the chemical companies will successfully lobby for a new tax to appear on each resident's water bill so the enormously dire consequences of these job-killing regulations can be at least somewhat deflected.



Sorry, PN, but not even you could out-Poe Big Coal and its affiliated industries in Appalachia.

There's no costs to offset or pass along.  Regulations?  Ignore 'em.  Fines?  Just have a local judge reduce them later, and then for the rest you simply don't bother to pay it.  After all, what are the local yokels going to do about it?  Close down some of the only revenue sources in the local economy?
 
2014-01-16 12:56:23 PM
I can't believe a company run by a cokehead and failed tavern owner would violate rules.
 
2014-01-16 12:56:51 PM
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
 
2014-01-16 12:57:02 PM
www.wvpolicy.org
 
2014-01-16 12:57:21 PM

Wyalt Derp: nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?

Someone poor, maybe. Not anyone rich.


Obviously it will be the poors that stole and drank all those Freedom Chemicals without paying for them.
 
2014-01-16 01:01:06 PM

nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?


LOL
 
2014-01-16 01:01:49 PM

nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?


This is America, son. Odds are precisely zero. Jail is for people who commit poor-people crimes.
 
2014-01-16 01:02:05 PM

nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?


I am sure there is some sort of "industry disparagement" law that can be perverted to send at least one critic of the company to jail, at least overnight.
 
2014-01-16 01:06:07 PM
Are we auditing one business or doing spot checks for everyone?

I'm still holding the opinion here that this was less negligence than just a black swan event; but at this point it looks like, yes, there's plenty of negligent regulatory violations.  Now the next question:  Is everybody doing it?  Because if so, yes, everybody's guilty and needs to straighten this shiat out pronto; but also it's fairly clear that these sorts of shortcuts and slipshod operations are reasonably safe--reasonable enough for someone to actually believe it's fine, even if it's not by-the-book.

I don't think it's a good strategy to only audit the business that dropped the ball.  When one of them screws up, we need to look around and see if their mistakes are industry standard practice.
 
2014-01-16 01:06:49 PM
Well, maybe if there weren't so many regulations on their business they'd be able to make enough money to afford proper chemical storage.
 
2014-01-16 01:09:44 PM

tlars699: To The Escape Zeppelin!: nmrsnr: Odds that someone will go to jail over this? Who wants to set the line?

Eh, I'm all for undoing corporations but at least in this case I don't think prison is really warranted. Had people been hurt or a more dangerous chemical been spilled then I'd reconsider. Fine the company the entire cost of the cleanup, penalize them further for failing to follow safety procedures, and watch them like a hawk for years. Oh and find out why they weren't being inspected before this. That part seems to be the biggest failing in all this.

Money! It's a gas.


We won't see much cleanup money out of them for this.  They'll turn out to be some shell company with zero resources beyond their inventory & real estate which will promptly declare bankruptcy.
 
2014-01-16 01:11:35 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Are you saying that regulation and enforcement is essential to safe drinking water? THE HELL YOU SAY


I have been assured by top Libertarians that the EPA and other governmental regulation of the environment are completely necessary.

TOP LIBERTARIANS.

/ This is what they actually believe
 
2014-01-16 01:12:33 PM
There's no way that a company that calls itself "Freedom Industries" isn't sleazy as hell.
 
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