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(Daily Mail)   The wife of Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill returns rental car and leaves an AR-15 on the backseat. Police say not to panic, the weapon has the same power and accuracy as her husband's throwing arm   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 471
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2014-01-16 12:20:15 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Do all white football players and their wives look exactly the same? Because this could be a generic photo of any white football player and his wife.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x572]


And what's with the head tilt?
 
2014-01-16 12:21:46 PM  

bgilmore5: Let me get this right NRA folks. Everyone has to be an expert on firearms before making any comments or proposing any new laws? If this is the case, why does your political party of preference place creationists on science committees and Michelle Bachman on an intelligence committee?


You should be required to have some level of knowlege on the topic, especially if you plan on advocating new laws.  My mother and I got in an argument (minor one) over how banning "huge magazines" could have stopped the asswipe from killing so many children at Sandy Hook because he could have "easily been stopped" if he had to reload (changing magazines).  When I told her it was extremely unlikely she said a few things that led me to ask her how long she thought a magazine swap took.  Her absolutely honest answer was "a couple minutes".
No knowledge of a topic means you should not be able to push for laws, regulations, restrictions etc, based on what you have already decided the "right thing to do to prevent..." may be.  Ever.

Personally I don't give a shiat if you call it an assault rifle or not, but you should all admit that they are used in the most minor percentage of firearm crime out of any category, and banning them will do nothing.  Shotguns are used in WAY more crimes and murders (look up the statistics on the FBI website yourself), but they don't look scary enough for people to demand they be banned.

/the owner of this AR is an asshat and should be charged with something.
 
2014-01-16 12:22:43 PM  

Rhypskallion: I've never needed to inflict harm in any real world situations. Some of my classmates have certainly done so (special forces, police officers/trainers). I personally hate violence. And peanuts. But those things exist, and can harm me and people I care about. Most of practical self defense is avoiding situations.


I agree.  And I might have had a different reaction if I found it upon or right before my return while still at the airport, I could see the airport cops treating me a bit differently.  ARs are stupidly easy to become familiar with, they're designed with the average grunt in mind.
 
2014-01-16 12:24:18 PM  
a Nissan rogue, ew
 
2014-01-16 12:24:44 PM  

Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...


You sound like a highly responsible gun owner.  Good thing you don't have any identifying information in your profile, like your photograph.

/What you're doing is illegal unless police were involved with the return process and the guns were reported to law enforcement as missing
//if you left the part about police involvement out, carry on
 
2014-01-16 12:24:44 PM  

Dimensio: coeyagi: Dimensio: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

I recognize both that leaving a rifle in a rented vehicle is irresponsible and that describing the rifle as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect. However, I understand your need to claim that a correction of incorrect information is "deflection", given that you cannot actually show the correction to be false.

Why bring it up at all?  Why not be the bigger man and get to the heart of the issue, that the b*tch was irresponsible.  I know, I know, your agenda, furthermore and comma.  You're a reasonable person in non gun threads, but pretty much insufferable in gun threads.  FYI.

I have already questioned the lack of criminal charges.


You have to commit a crime for criminal charges to be filed. Does that make sense to you?
 
2014-01-16 12:25:11 PM  

GDubDub: Dimensio: coeyagi: Dimensio: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

I recognize both that leaving a rifle in a rented vehicle is irresponsible and that describing the rifle as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect. However, I understand your need to claim that a correction of incorrect information is "deflection", given that you cannot actually show the correction to be false.

Why bring it up at all?  Why not be the bigger man and get to the heart of the issue, that the b*tch was irresponsible.  I know, I know, your agenda, furthermore and comma.  You're a reasonable person in non gun threads, but pretty much insufferable in gun threads.  FYI.

I have already questioned the lack of criminal charges.

I may have missed it, but since there is no mention of ammunition being present, I'm guessing it wasn't, as they always mention it when there is.

So why would there be criminal charges if there was no ammunition?

I'll put it a different way.  Suppose I leave an explosive detonation control box in a car, but no explosives.  Certainly ill-advised, and careless, but not reckless.


I mean it's still negligence. Not exactly rocket science to acquire bullets. Most states don't require a background check for ammo (or a FOID), so anyone who found that gun could theoretically walk into a store and purchase some .223 for shooting even if they couldn't legally possess the gun or ammo. This isn't as bad as the cop who left their service rifle on the top of their trunk in Seattle (in a locked compartment and out of sight), but it's something worth punishing, even if it is a watered down charge with a fine and community service.
 
2014-01-16 12:26:40 PM  

lilplatinum: croesius: lilplatinum: /guess what, assholes - the dictionary says a clip and a magazine are the same thing, so they are

Irregardless of what a dictionary declares, those two terms both have an ideal definition. The fact that they are used interchangeably doesn't alter the fact that a clip most accurately describes one thing, and a magazine most accurately describes another.

Gun nuts get their tiny little dicks bent out of shape when someone defines an assault weapon in a way they feel is not justified, and then get their tiny little dicks bent out of shape when somoene accurately uses a word as it is defined in a dictionary. 

Its almost as if they only care about correct definitions when it is politically expedient to their reckless little hobby.


Many words, when used as defined in a dictionary, can lend themselves to a muddled meaning. For instance, "car", as defined by Webster's dictionary, can mean a variety of things, such as an automobile, or the basket of a hot-air balloon. If someone stepped out of a hot-air balloon, you could technically say "They stepped out of their car, and fell 500 feet to their death". It is more appropriate to use the definition of a word that is closest in meaning to the idea you are trying to convey. Engaging in pedantic wordplay this way serves only to obfuscate.
 
2014-01-16 12:27:37 PM  

CheatCommando: Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...

Did you have to take them through the ATF to make sure they aren't hot or evidence before you took possession?


Not ATF, local and state police.  Every time we found a gun in a car we would call it in and they would note the make, caliber, and serial # in a report.  Then the shop boss would lock them in the parts room for 30 days.  Sometimes (rarely) a cop would swing by because they had some reason to suspect that one of the guns was used in a crime.  Way more often the 30 days would expire and whomever had found the gun initially got to take it home.

It was a nice perk, but didn't make up for the low pay and lousy hours.
 
2014-01-16 12:28:42 PM  

Richard C Stanford: The dumbass leaving his $2,000 dollar rifle in a rental car and forgetting about it.


2000 dollar dollar?
 
2014-01-16 12:28:48 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...

You sound like a highly responsible gun owner.  Good thing you don't have any identifying information in your profile, like your photograph.

/What you're doing is illegal unless police were involved with the return process and the guns were reported to law enforcement as missing
//if you left the part about police involvement out, carry on


See above.
 
2014-01-16 12:29:09 PM  

bgilmore5: Let me get this right NRA folks. Everyone has to be an expert on firearms before making any comments or proposing any new laws?


Ideally you would be well versed on the consequences of enacting and repealing various gun-control laws, given the history available in the United States.

Of course, if you are well versed in the relevant history, and honest, you would not be much of a gun control advocate.
 
2014-01-16 12:29:31 PM  

Mikey1969: Dimensio: coeyagi: Dimensio: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

I recognize both that leaving a rifle in a rented vehicle is irresponsible and that describing the rifle as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect. However, I understand your need to claim that a correction of incorrect information is "deflection", given that you cannot actually show the correction to be false.

Why bring it up at all?  Why not be the bigger man and get to the heart of the issue, that the b*tch was irresponsible.  I know, I know, your agenda, furthermore and comma.  You're a reasonable person in non gun threads, but pretty much insufferable in gun threads.  FYI.

I have already questioned the lack of criminal charges.

You have to commit a crime for criminal charges to be filed. Does that make sense to you?


The article randomly threw the words "fully loaded" into a sentence to make it appear as though the gun were loaded. If it were loaded during transit, that'd be a problem.
 
2014-01-16 12:30:23 PM  

fastfxr: As a Dolphins fan, this qualifies as HOTY.


I was hoping this thread would turn into making fun of Tannehill and pictures of his wife. Should have known better.

/Subby
//thanks guys
 
2014-01-16 12:32:56 PM  

Skyd1v: Was doing society a favor by relocating those guns to a more responsible home.  One of the detailers found a small sub-machine gun (not sure what kind - I wasn't there that day) that had been illegally converted to full-auto.  THAT brought in a whole mess of feds.


Probably a Tec 9
 
2014-01-16 12:33:11 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Mikey1969: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mikey1969: Of course, looking at the gun, I also would have my doubts that it was used in any crime, you don't often drop that kind of cabbage on your choice of weapon for drive bys...

It's exactly the kind of weapon you'd use for an assassination attempt.

I can see a TV series now...airheaded hot model wife of an NFL QB by day, airheaded assassin for hire by night...


I would imagine a proper assassination attempt would use a caliber with a bit more oomph.

To really reach out and touch someone:
truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com
 
2014-01-16 12:34:45 PM  

netweavr: Mikey1969: Dimensio: coeyagi: Dimensio: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

I recognize both that leaving a rifle in a rented vehicle is irresponsible and that describing the rifle as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect. However, I understand your need to claim that a correction of incorrect information is "deflection", given that you cannot actually show the correction to be false.

Why bring it up at all?  Why not be the bigger man and get to the heart of the issue, that the b*tch was irresponsible.  I know, I know, your agenda, furthermore and comma.  You're a reasonable person in non gun threads, but pretty much insufferable in gun threads.  FYI.

I have already questioned the lack of criminal charges.

You have to commit a crime for criminal charges to be filed. Does that make sense to you?

The article randomly threw the words "fully loaded" into a sentence to make it appear as though the gun were loaded. If it were loaded during transit, that'd be a problem.


Not according to Florida law, just has to be in a case, as far as I can tell.
 
2014-01-16 12:35:17 PM  
Bleh.  Nothing at all in the article whether it had a shoulder thing that goes up.
 
2014-01-16 12:36:00 PM  

croesius: Many words, when used as defined in a dictionary, can lend themselves to a muddled meaning. For instance, "car", as defined by Webster's dictionary, can mean a variety of things, such as an automobile, or the basket of a hot-air balloon. If someone stepped out of a hot-air balloon, you could technically say "They stepped out of their car, and fell 500 feet to their death". It is more appropriate to use the definition of a word that is closest in meaning to the idea you are trying to convey. Engaging in pedantic wordplay this way serves only to obfuscate.


And if clip were an archaic phrase for magazine from a couple centuries ago, perhaps your analogy would hold water.  As it is, the language has commonly evolved to the point that clip is known by all but the most pedantic gun fetishists as synonymous with magazine.  It is so common that the dictionary has included that definition, because - hey, thats how language evolves.
 
2014-01-16 12:36:25 PM  

Mikey1969: netweavr: Mikey1969: Dimensio: coeyagi: Dimensio: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

I recognize both that leaving a rifle in a rented vehicle is irresponsible and that describing the rifle as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect. However, I understand your need to claim that a correction of incorrect information is "deflection", given that you cannot actually show the correction to be false.

Why bring it up at all?  Why not be the bigger man and get to the heart of the issue, that the b*tch was irresponsible.  I know, I know, your agenda, furthermore and comma.  You're a reasonable person in non gun threads, but pretty much insufferable in gun threads.  FYI.

I have already questioned the lack of criminal charges.

You have to commit a crime for criminal charges to be filed. Does that make sense to you?

The article randomly threw the words "fully loaded" into a sentence to make it appear as though the gun were loaded. If it were loaded during transit, that'd be a problem.

Not according to Florida law, just has to be in a case, as far as I can tell.


Really? That seems dumb. Leaving weapons loaded when you aren't intending to fire them is just poor practice.

It's like driving with an open beer. Sure you may not be drunk, but you're still too retarded to drive.
 
2014-01-16 12:38:30 PM  
i184.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-16 12:40:09 PM  

Fark It: Rhypskallion: I think a surprise bag in your rental car qualifies as a "suspicious package".

 .  I would have probably touched it to check to see if it was loaded, and then unloaded it if necessary.


For you, I or anyone familiar with the AR family, that would be a reasonable action to take.

Would you really want a nervous person with no training and an extreme fear of firearms attempting to clear one? One of the scariest things I have encountered was an amateur with firearm of any type.

Weapon shown did not have a magazine seated, dust cover was open and bolt was forward.
Conceivably had one in chamber, but why?

Carried M-16 during my National Guard days. Didn't like it. Much preferred my M-1D sniper rifle.
 
2014-01-16 12:40:50 PM  

Skyd1v: CheatCommando: Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...

Did you have to take them through the ATF to make sure they aren't hot or evidence before you took possession?

Not ATF, local and state police.  Every time we found a gun in a car we would call it in and they would note the make, caliber, and serial # in a report.  Then the shop boss would lock them in the parts room for 30 days.  Sometimes (rarely) a cop would swing by because they had some reason to suspect that one of the guns was used in a crime.  Way more often the 30 days would expire and whomever had found the gun initially got to take it home.

It was a nice perk, but didn't make up for the low pay and lousy hours.


Which means they ran the serial numbers with the Feds, I'd bet. I'd always heard that you needed to do that with any found firearm.
 
2014-01-16 12:40:57 PM  

Molavian: [i184.photobucket.com image 344x415]


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clip

No there isn't.
 
2014-01-16 12:42:46 PM  

lilplatinum: croesius: Many words, when used as defined in a dictionary, can lend themselves to a muddled meaning. For instance, "car", as defined by Webster's dictionary, can mean a variety of things, such as an automobile, or the basket of a hot-air balloon. If someone stepped out of a hot-air balloon, you could technically say "They stepped out of their car, and fell 500 feet to their death". It is more appropriate to use the definition of a word that is closest in meaning to the idea you are trying to convey. Engaging in pedantic wordplay this way serves only to obfuscate.

And if clip were an archaic phrase for magazine from a couple centuries ago, perhaps your analogy would hold water.  As it is, the language has commonly evolved to the point that clip is known by all but the most pedantic gun fetishists as synonymous with magazine.  It is so common that the dictionary has included that definition, because - hey, thats how language evolves.


I couldn't  care less about the clip/magazine debate. The reason assault rifle/assault weapon ticks off a lot of people is because it started out as deliberate obfuscation and scare tactics, well the conflation anyway. A gun seller coined assault weapon sometime in the 80s to cater to a certain demographic.

Assault rifles are regulated by the NFA and classified by the ATF as machine guns. Every assault weapons bills I've seen defines assault weapons as strictly semi-automatic. There's no point in including NFA weapons because they are heavily regulated at the federal level and the states who care about AWB legislation have typically already banned or regulated NFA weapons (CA, NY, IL, CT, MA).
 
2014-01-16 12:44:13 PM  

netweavr: Mikey1969: netweavr: Mikey1969: Dimensio: coeyagi: Dimensio: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

I recognize both that leaving a rifle in a rented vehicle is irresponsible and that describing the rifle as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect. However, I understand your need to claim that a correction of incorrect information is "deflection", given that you cannot actually show the correction to be false.

Why bring it up at all?  Why not be the bigger man and get to the heart of the issue, that the b*tch was irresponsible.  I know, I know, your agenda, furthermore and comma.  You're a reasonable person in non gun threads, but pretty much insufferable in gun threads.  FYI.

I have already questioned the lack of criminal charges.

You have to commit a crime for criminal charges to be filed. Does that make sense to you?

The article randomly threw the words "fully loaded" into a sentence to make it appear as though the gun were loaded. If it were loaded during transit, that'd be a problem.

Not according to Florida law, just has to be in a case, as far as I can tell.

Really? That seems dumb. Leaving weapons loaded when you aren't intending to fire them is just poor practice.

It's like driving with an open beer. Sure you may not be drunk, but you're still too retarded to drive.


Doesn't make it illegal. Besides, loaded, not loaded ddoesn't change the fact that the gun isn't a sentient being IR anything... Yes, its always safer to unload the gun when not in use, but that doesn't justify this woman "almost throwing up"...
 
2014-01-16 12:44:43 PM  
rumorsandrants.com
 
2014-01-16 12:45:25 PM  
rumorsandrants.com
 
2014-01-16 12:45:30 PM  
I'm a proponent of gun control, but I would have taken the rifle if I found it. It's worth a LOT of money, and there's no registry, so it would be tough to ever prove it's not mine, let alone if they could even find the gun again.
 
2014-01-16 12:46:10 PM  

Skyd1v: TwoBeersOneCan: Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...

You sound like a highly responsible gun owner.  Good thing you don't have any identifying information in your profile, like your photograph.

/What you're doing is illegal unless police were involved with the return process and the guns were reported to law enforcement as missing
//if you left the part about police involvement out, carry on

See above.


I just did.  Cheers!
 
2014-01-16 12:46:33 PM  

justtray: I'm a proponent of gun control, but I would have taken the rifle if I found it. It's worth a LOT of money, and there's no registry, so it would be tough to ever prove it's not mine, let alone if they could even find the gun again.


Fo sheezee, there are plenty of hillbillies back home who you could sell that to legally.
 
2014-01-16 12:46:54 PM  

redmid17: AWB legislation have typically already banned or regulated NFA weapons (CA, NY, IL, CT, MA).


The General Assembly actually snuck a lifting of certain NFA weapons (SBS/SBRs) restrictions past Quinn.  C&R FFLs in Illinois can into SBRs.
 
2014-01-16 12:46:56 PM  
In college a friend of mine bought a car from a police auction. When we were going over it we noticed the shade in the back was crooked and had a lump in it. It was stuck and he couldnt pull it down at first but after he gave it a good yank out falls a .38. We were a tad shocked, but we ended up just calling the cops to come get it and none of us went to jail.
 
2014-01-16 12:47:15 PM  
I bet she was going to the movies. You never know when a popcorn crime is going to be committed. She was prepared to defend herself.
 
2014-01-16 12:47:28 PM  

lilplatinum: Molavian: [i184.photobucket.com image 344x415]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clip

No there isn't.


The dictionary is stupid.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

If you want to be the sort of person who willfully participates in the destruction of useful words through misuse, go ahead. The fact that you have a lot of company doesn't make you any less a cretin.
 
2014-01-16 12:47:44 PM  
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ASSAULT RIFLES!
 
2014-01-16 12:48:15 PM  

groppet: In college a friend of mine bought a car from a police auction. When we were going over it we noticed the shade in the back was crooked and had a lump in it. It was stuck and he couldnt pull it down at first but after he gave it a good yank out falls a .38. We were a tad shocked, but we ended up just calling the cops to come get it and none of us went to jail.


That was probably a murder weapon...
 
2014-01-16 12:48:26 PM  

Dimensio: vpb: pyrotek85:

What difference does it really make anyway? There's too much focus on technical features and definitions and not how they're used and by whom.

It's a matter of spin.

Most gun nuts seem to feel that no one but them is competent to have an opinion on gun control based on their being able to identify their favorite guns by sight.  Of course gun control is a public policy issue and not a technical gun issue.  It's like saying that you need to be a gang member to decide whether drive by shootings should be illegal.

Also, most gun nuts don't know anywhere as much as they pretend to which annoys me, since I am a military history buff and it's very obvious to me that they are trying to fake it anyway.

You are correct. Expecting an individual who demands a ban on barrel shrouds to actually know what barrel shrouds are and why they should be banned is wholly unreasonable.

I suspect that politicians will next be expected to have an understanding of women's reproductive health before authoring bills legislating medical procedures related to women's reproductive health.


so what ARE barrel shrouds, folding stocks, laser sights, holographic sights & high capacity magazines for??? just to look cool & scary?  to be able to recreate your favorite rifle from bf4 or cod? surely they have some function that adds to the ability of the weapon right?

na... probably just to look cool & scary
 
2014-01-16 12:49:30 PM  

lilplatinum: Molavian: [i184.photobucket.com image 344x415]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clip

No there isn't.


lol
 
2014-01-16 12:49:39 PM  

croesius: I would imagine a proper assassination attempt would use a caliber with a bit more oomph.

To really reach out and touch someone:
[truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com image 608x335]


Now that is my type of rifle. Remmy 700 with a Leopold gold ring.  You can keep your ARs and I'll take me a good ol bolty anyday.


My favorite rig:

www.6mmbr.citymaker.com
 
2014-01-16 12:49:56 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Do all white football players and their wives look exactly the same? Because this could be a generic photo of any white football player and his wife.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x572]


that's ridiculous. just look at tom brady and his wife.

queenofsports.com
 
2014-01-16 12:50:44 PM  

justtray: I'm a proponent of gun control, but I would have taken the rifle if I found it. It's worth a LOT of money, and there's no registry, so it would be tough to ever prove it's not mine, let alone if they could even find the gun again.


There's no registry of ownership, but there is centralized tracking of guns reported stolen. You could sell it to some unscrupulous buyer in the hopes of obfuscating the chain of possession, but it's a chancy thing to do with a high dollar gun.
 
2014-01-16 12:52:50 PM  

Fark It: redmid17: AWB legislation have typically already banned or regulated NFA weapons (CA, NY, IL, CT, MA).

The General Assembly actually snuck a lifting of certain NFA weapons (SBS/SBRs) restrictions past Quinn.  C&R FFLs in Illinois can into SBRs.


Nice been meaning to fill out one of those C & R apps for awhile. Looks like lupara type shotguns are legal too (as an AOW). Might have to revisit that C & R app and mail it in.
 
2014-01-16 12:54:13 PM  

JesseL: If you want to be the sort of person who willfully participates in the destruction of useful words through misuse, go ahead. The fact that you have a lot of company doesn't make you any less a cretin.


A gun nut with a hardon for lingustic prescription, amazing!

I am sure you call everything by it's technical name rather than any common name that has come into being through the vernacular.  I'm sure, for example, that you always call the pedal that causes your car to accelerate the throttle, rather than the gas pedal.
 
2014-01-16 12:54:38 PM  

inner ted: na... probably just to look cool & scary


The barrel shroud's function is to keep you meat hooks off the barrel when it is glowing.
 
2014-01-16 12:54:40 PM  
Molavian:
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Three articles offering a difference in opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearms)

http://www.minutemanreview.com/2008/09/clip-vs-magazine-lesson-in-fi re arm.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/24/dont-call-a-magazine-a-cl ip -we-spoke-with-an-ex-seal-about-the-difference-and-why-its-important/
 
2014-01-16 12:55:31 PM  

inner ted: so what ARE barrel shrouds, folding stocks, laser sights, holographic sights & high capacity magazines for??? just to look cool & scary?  to be able to recreate your favorite rifle from bf4 or cod? surely they have some function that adds to the ability of the weapon right?


What purpose is served by banning such features?
 
2014-01-16 12:56:49 PM  

inner ted: so what ARE barrel shrouds, folding stocks, laser sights, holographic sights & high capacity magazines for??? just to look cool & scary? to be able to recreate your favorite rifle from bf4 or cod? surely they have some function that adds to the ability of the weapon right?

na... probably just to look cool & scary


Those are to keep you from burning yourself, to make it easier to store a gun or manipulate it in confined spaces, to aid in aiming, and to be able to shoot more without reloading.

Some of those may be convenient to criminals, but they're also legitimate improvements for people who intend to use their guns lawfully.
 
2014-01-16 12:56:52 PM  

lilplatinum: I'm sure, for example, that you always call the pedal that causes your car to accelerate the throttle, rather than the gas pedal.


I actually do refer to the acceleration pedal as the "throttle".
 
2014-01-16 12:57:00 PM  

lilplatinum: croesius: Many words, when used as defined in a dictionary, can lend themselves to a muddled meaning. For instance, "car", as defined by Webster's dictionary, can mean a variety of things, such as an automobile, or the basket of a hot-air balloon. If someone stepped out of a hot-air balloon, you could technically say "They stepped out of their car, and fell 500 feet to their death". It is more appropriate to use the definition of a word that is closest in meaning to the idea you are trying to convey. Engaging in pedantic wordplay this way serves only to obfuscate.

And if clip were an archaic phrase for magazine from a couple centuries ago, perhaps your analogy would hold water.  As it is, the language has commonly evolved to the point that clip is known by all but the most pedantic gun fetishists as synonymous with magazine.  It is so common that the dictionary has included that definition, because - hey, thats how language evolves.


The misuse of the most appropriate word for an item for another word which is less appropriate for the item being referenced still remains. Just because a large number of people don't care enough to use the best choice to describe something does not make it correct. It may make it passable in day-to-day conversation with people who have no stake in the argument, but when involved in a discussion on said item as the focal point, it makes a person look uninformed on the subject. The people you are talking with know what you are trying to say, but they also know that there is a much better term for it.
 
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