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(Daily Mail)   The wife of Dolphins QB Ryan Tannehill returns rental car and leaves an AR-15 on the backseat. Police say not to panic, the weapon has the same power and accuracy as her husband's throwing arm   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 471
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2014-01-16 11:55:17 AM
Came for Ms Tannehill pics, only under a mountain came thru
 
2014-01-16 11:55:28 AM

netweavr: Dimensio: Super Chronic: Fully loaded, indeed.

I do not know why reckless endangerment charges were not considered.

It's not loaded, look at the photo.


I did a double-take at that part of the article myself. Pretty devious of them to casually describe the vehicle as "Fully Loaded" in context that they know people will freak out about.
 
2014-01-16 11:55:30 AM

vpb: Dimensio:
Just as you are "objectively wrong" when you declare that a rifle that operates only in a semi-automatic fashion is an "assault rifle".

That's your answer?  "Uh UHHHH!  YOU!"

Really?

You can stamp your feet and pretend whatever you want, but the term "assault weapon"  defined in law.  It's something that can be proven in court.

Also it's common vernacular.  It doesn't really matter if you approve of the term or not, you don't have any authority to dictate the English language to anyone.  It's like an anti-abortion protester trying to claim that the term "pro choice" doesn't exist.

And an assault rifle doesn't stop being an assault rifle if you make it semi automatic any more than a dog stops being a dog if it loses a leg.  Even if you were to de-mil it entirely so it didn't fire, it would sill be an assault rifle.


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Attempting to justify incorrect use of a term does not alter the proper definition of the term.

The AR-15 pattern rifle that I own was never capable of fully automatic nor "burst fire" operation. From its initial manufacture, it has operated only as a semi-automatic rifle. It is, therefore, not an "assault rifle" by definition and describing it as such is not honest.

While I understand that you hate firearms and that you advocate unreasonable firearm restrictions (such as the vetoed effort to ban all magazine-fed semi-automatic rifles in California), dishonestly redefining terminology does not justify those restrictions.
 
2014-01-16 11:56:15 AM

redmid17: redmid17: vpb: Fark It:

I don't even know where to begin with this.

learning a bit about guns would be a good place to begin.  That's just totally wrong.

Germany during World War II, had several Sturmgeweher.  There was the StG44, the StG45, the "Volkssturmgewehr " (which means people's assault rifle) series which were mostly semi-automatic.

It IS cute how you NRA types pretend to be experts when you know so little about the subject.

/but at least you don't think the phrase "assault rifle" was invented by pro-gun control people like most gun nuts.

I guess I should feel obligated to point out that the gun you are talking about was produced for maybe the last month of the war and was part of Germany's "Primitive Weapon" program. It shouldn't really be dictating modern firearms definitions, especially when its predecessor and its derivatives use completely different technology and have hundreds if not thousands more in production and still circulating worldwide.  There's not a single army in the world that defines an assault rifle as anything other than a select-fire weapon, intermediate cartridge weapon with a detachable magazine.

Also there were fewer than 30 StG 45s made, so we can both discount that one as anything useful or definitive in this debate.

I guess my use of  "predecessor" might be a bit confusing. I mean the StG 44 and the assault rifles derived from it. It's not actually a technical predecessor to the pathetic weapons made by the Reich at the end of the WW2, just that it was the weapon in use before they ran out of the material and ability to manufacture those guns by the end of WW2.


Check out the video I posted.  The German Army did adopt the STG-45 because it was significantly cheaper and easier to produce, but the Mauser factory and tooling was disassembled and loaded up on freight cars destined for Hitler's Alps where he thought they could mount a comeback.  Aside from the prototypes, the STG-45 parts that were made and intended for use in the field were never actually assembled, the war ended.
 
2014-01-16 11:56:21 AM
My first thought would have been "Free rifle. Sweet!"

Then I would have returned it.


Probably.
 
2014-01-16 11:56:51 AM
ASSAULT RIFLE
 
2014-01-16 11:57:25 AM
Fark It [TotalFark]
2014-01-16 10:04:59 AM


Ms Fleissig's daughtrer opened the bag expecting to find an ID, she instead found the firearm.
'We got out of the car, we were kind of freaked out,' she told the paper. 'I didn't want to touch it.'
Both women were stunned.
'Oh my God, it's a gun,' Ms Fleissig's daughter said. 'I said, 'I think I'm going to throw up,' she recalled.

Seriously?
Spineless bed-wetting liberals surprise you?

"OMGWTFBBQ, a chunk of metal!"
 
2014-01-16 11:58:06 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mikey1969: Richard C Stanford: God, just everything about that article...
The dumbass leaving his $2,000 dollar rifle in a rental car and forgetting about it.
The Mails hysterical all-caps ASSAULT RIFLE! head line, showing exactly how much they know about firearms.
And this little gem from the "victims":
"'Oh my God, it's a gun,' Ms Fleissig's daughter said. 'I said, 'I think I'm going to throw up,' she recalled."

Yeah, the stress of the situation will do that to you... I mean, what do you do? Do you contact the rental company? Do you try and track down the owner yourself? Do you contact the police? Do you claim the rifle for your own, citing Finders keepers? Do you sell it? Do you take it to the range for a few hours and THEN return it? Keep in mind that she had her daughter RIGHT THERE, it requires split second decision making capabilities... I might throw up, too.

Not because I was worried about the rifle hopping up on its own and shooting me, though. That takes special potato derp right there...

Yes, though I wouldn't "jump" out of the car, but the words "rental car" and "rifle left behind" invokes all sorts of images that just can't end up well.  My first assumption would be to get the hell out of there, too, mostly because I would assume a crime had been committed.


I'd probably drive to the police station, in case a crime had been committed with it, and I'd call them first so that if for some reason I got pulled over, I would have something on record that I was bringing in a weapon that I had questions about. Of course, looking at the gun, I also would have my doubts that it was used in any crime, you don't often drop that kind of cabbage on your choice of weapon for drive bys...
 
2014-01-16 11:58:51 AM
I love when the tiny dick bregade gets their panties in a wad when people don't use their preferred nomenclature for their stupid little toys.

/guess what, assholes - the dictionary says a clip and a magazine are the same thing, so they are.
 
2014-01-16 11:59:06 AM

Dimensio: Fark It: vpb: pyrotek85:

What difference does it really make anyway? There's too much focus on technical features and definitions and not how they're used and by whom.

It's a matter of spin.

Most gun nuts seem to feel that no one but them is competent to have an opinion on gun control based on their being able to identify their favorite guns by sight.  Of course gun control is a public policy issue and not a technical gun issue.  It's like saying that you need to be a gang member to decide whether drive by shootings should be illegal.

Also, most gun nuts don't know anywhere as much as they pretend to which annoys me, since I am a military history buff and it's very obvious to me that they are trying to fake it anyway.

I forgot how specificity and definitions aren't important when it comes to public policy.

I do not understand why Congress does not better regulate automobiles. At present, vehicles with spoilers, air dams, hood scoops and chrome exhaust tips -- features that serve no civilian commuter purpose -- are sold without any regulation. I demand a race car ban, also banning all models of the Honda Civic, the Volvo S40 and the Mazda 3 by name.


Petitions protesting movies like the "Fast & Furious" franchise are also in order.
It's just disgusting car porn.
 
2014-01-16 11:59:10 AM

croesius: netweavr: Dimensio: Super Chronic: Fully loaded, indeed.

I do not know why reckless endangerment charges were not considered.

It's not loaded, look at the photo.

I did a double-take at that part of the article myself. Pretty devious of them to casually describe the vehicle as "Fully Loaded" in context that they know people will freak out about.


I only ever use the term "loaded" or "unloaded" when referring to whether a firearm contains ammunition.

I typically use the term "fully loaded" to describe myself at night.
 
2014-01-16 11:59:38 AM
Well you've got half a burn there, subby. While AR-15s generally use a lower-powered round, accuracy is one of their strengths (vs things like AK-47).
 
2014-01-16 11:59:58 AM

netweavr: Don't they live in Florida? Why did Tannehill's wife need a rental car?


And for "only a few hours"? And leaves a gun in the trunk?

por-img.cimcontent.net

"This stinks worse than my ex-wife's meatloaf."
 
2014-01-16 12:00:06 PM
Let me get this right NRA folks. Everyone has to be an expert on firearms before making any comments or proposing any new laws? If this is the case, why does your political party of preference place creationists on science committees and Michelle Bachman on an intelligence committee?
 
2014-01-16 12:00:21 PM

lilplatinum: I love when the tiny dick bregade


Your obsession with male genitalia is of absolutely no relevance to the current discussion.
 
2014-01-16 12:01:10 PM

bgilmore5: Let me get this right NRA folks. Everyone has to be an expert on firearms before making any comments or proposing any new laws? If this is the case, why does your political party of preference place creationists on science committees and Michelle Bachman on an intelligence committee?


Unaffiliated independents placed Representative Michelle Bachmann on an intelligence committee?
 
2014-01-16 12:01:46 PM

pyrotek85: vpb: pyrotek85:

What difference does it really make anyway? There's too much focus on technical features and definitions and not how they're used and by whom.

It's a matter of spin.

Most gun nuts seem to feel that no one but them is competent to have an opinion on gun control based on their being able to identify their favorite guns by sight.  Of course gun control is a public policy issue and not a technical gun issue.  It's like saying that you need to be a gang member to decide whether drive by shootings should be illegal.

Also, most gun nuts don't know anywhere as much as they pretend to which annoys me, since I am a military history buff and it's very obvious to me that they are trying to fake it anyway.

I don't expect anti's to be experts either, and I especially don't care about crap like mag vs clip; it's a waste of breath arguing about minor points when the words are used interchangeably. But sometimes they make some outrageously bad errors, that even basic knowledge on the topic would cover. The classic example being the should thing that goes up.


Except that people want to use these "minor points" to set the laws that govern guns. If they can't even get the terminology right, how are the laws expected to be fair? That is the problem people have with the terminology.
 
2014-01-16 12:02:10 PM

jayhawk88: netweavr: Don't they live in Florida? Why did Tannehill's wife need a rental car?

And for "only a few hours"? And leaves a gun in the trunk?

[por-img.cimcontent.net image 313x400]

"This stinks worse than my ex-wife's meatloaf."


Maybe she went to a gunshow and bought it as a gift? Then forgot it in the car?

We could have this thread all wrong. Maybe it should be about airheaded models!
 
2014-01-16 12:02:24 PM

bgilmore5: Let me get this right NRA folks. Everyone has to be an expert on firearms before making any comments or proposing any new laws? If this is the case, why does your political party of preference place creationists on science committees and Michelle Bachman on an intelligence committee?


Michelle Bachmann and creationists being on those committees is just as bad as who try to write gun laws with no knowledge or consultation of people who know about guns.
 
2014-01-16 12:02:46 PM

JohnCarter: Ms Fleissig's daughtrer opened the bag expecting to find an ID, she instead found the firearm.
'We got out of the car, we were kind of freaked out,' she told the paper. 'I didn't want to touch it.'
Both women were stunned.
'Oh my God, it's a gun,' Ms Fleissig's daughter said.  'I said, 'I think I'm going to throw up,' she recalled.


Says the lady driving an SUV that could kill countless people if it goes out of control and plows into a crowded sidewalk.."OH the humanity"


CSB - Only fun thing I have found in a rental car was porn, gay porn at that, NTTIAWWT.


How was it?
 
2014-01-16 12:02:54 PM

croesius: Mikey1969: Dimensio: Fark It: Ms Fleissig's daughtrer opened the bag expecting to find an ID, she instead found the firearm.
'We got out of the car, we were kind of freaked out,' she told the paper. 'I didn't want to touch it.'
Both women were stunned.
'Oh my God, it's a gun,' Ms Fleissig's daughter said.  'I said, 'I think I'm going to throw up,' she recalled.

 Seriously?

Did you not view the image of the rifle? It features both a pistol grip and a collapsing stock. At any time it might have spontaneously caused several dozen people to fall over dead merely through proximity.

I am unable to determine whether the firearm also features a flash hider or threaded barrel, which of course would cause it to be even more volatile and dangerous.

That may not be a collapsible stock, it may just be a shock absorbing stock... I've seen ones like that tat don't collapse, they just compress to reduce recoil, like a shock absorber... That handgrip is deadly though.

Naah, that's a adjustable (collapsible) stock, LMT's SOPMOD. Does have a shock absorber rubber pad on the ass-end of it, but no integrated shocks.


Man, I fired one once where the stock was basically filled with BBs, that was an amazingly gentle recoil...
 
2014-01-16 12:04:09 PM

bgilmore5: Let me get this right NRA folks. Everyone has to be an expert on firearms before making any comments or proposing any new laws?


You don't have to be an expert, but some cursory knowledge on subjects in which there are strong opinions (no matter the subject) is a pre-requisite for any kind of reasonable discourse.  Like knowing what a barrel shroud is, or the commonly accepted definition of an "assault rifle."

If this is the case, why does your political party of preference place creationists on science committees and Michelle Bachman on an intelligence committee?

I'm a Democrat, voted for Obama, and served as a Democratic election judge.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-16 12:04:33 PM
Fark It:
You.  Are.  Wrong.  The STG-45 wasn't even fielded in the war.  The STG series of weapons were "assault rifles," in that they were select-fire, that's one of their defining features, the other being the intermediate cartridge.

That's cute.  When you are making up your own facts, just put a period after every word.  That way it looks authoritative.

So what if it wasn't fielded?  That has nothing to do with anything.  That's just a red herring to draw attention from the fact that you didn't know what you were talking about when you tried to claim that there was only one assault rile.

And you are dodging the fact that the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr was semi-automatic.  The people who invented the term assault rifle made a semi-automatic assault rifle.

Let me repeat that.  It's an objectively demonstrable fact that the people who invented the term assault rifle made semi-automatic assault rifles.  They fielded some of them too, not that that is relevant.

You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

Yes, that's why I am documenting that my facts are actual facts.  Unlike yours.

Oh, and before you start with the "anyone can edit Wikipedia" nonsense, Wikipedia isn't a primary source of information, it's an aggregator much like Fark.  The actual source of the information is linked to at the bottom of the article.

Also you can go see examples of the first semi automatic assault rifles from WWII in various museums if you want to do that.
 
2014-01-16 12:05:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.


Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...
 
2014-01-16 12:05:29 PM
Finding a rifle like that in a rental car in England would indeed be quite a big deal.

Then again, so would a mass shooting.
 
2014-01-16 12:05:51 PM

lilplatinum: /guess what, assholes - the dictionary says a clip and a magazine are the same thing, so they are


Irregardless of what a dictionary declares, those two terms both have an ideal definition. The fact that they are used interchangeably doesn't alter the fact that a clip most accurately describes one thing, and a magazine most accurately describes another.
 
2014-01-16 12:07:21 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Finding a rifle like that in a rental car in England would indeed be quite a big deal.

Then again, so would a mass shooting.


Finding a mass shooting in the boot of any vehicle would be quite a big deal. No matter the country.
 
2014-01-16 12:07:33 PM

Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...


I would suffer a panic attack should I suspect that I had misplaced a firearm. Should such an event occur, I would seriously reconsider whether I should continue to own them.
 
2014-01-16 12:08:21 PM

Mikey1969: That may not be a collapsible stock, it may just be a shock absorbing stock... I've seen ones like that tat don't collapse, they just compress to reduce recoil, like a shock absorber... That handgrip is deadly though.

Naah, that's a adjustable (collapsible) stock, LMT's SOPMOD. Does have a shock absorber rubber pad on the ass-end of it, but no integrated shocks.

Man, I fired one once where the stock was basically filled with BBs, that was an amazingly gentle recoil...


I...I want that. Just going from the basic serrated plastic buttstock to a magpul stock with a pad was a massive improvement. You don't remember what make that stock was, by any chance?
 
2014-01-16 12:09:22 PM

GoldSpider: Fark It: Ms Fleissig's daughtrer opened the bag expecting to find an ID, she instead found the firearm.
'We got out of the car, we were kind of freaked out,' she told the paper. 'I didn't want to touch it.'
Both women were stunned.
'Oh my God, it's a gun,' Ms Fleissig's daughter said.  'I said, 'I think I'm going to throw up,' she recalled.

 Seriously?

These are just people who want "reasonable" restrictions on gun ownership.

Reasonable.


Definitely reasonable. Why arent you willing to compromise? New York State was perfectly content with the NY Safe Act it passed last year and is working aggressively to promote 2nd Amendment rights in the aftermath:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/robert-farago/ny-gun-contro l- groups-pols-double-safe-act/#more-288101
 
2014-01-16 12:10:57 PM

coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.


Maybe we should call them "abortions" and then use the fear that is kicked up to ban abortions. That is the entire point. The anti-gunners are trying to get common semi-automatic rifles banned, so they love to lump them in with automatic rifles to convince the other mouth breathers of their ilk to support the bans. Stop being misleading and maybe we will work with you on a few things. As it is, all you will ever get from us to any of your suggestions is "How about no."
 
2014-01-16 12:12:04 PM
Ms Tannehill rented the white Nissan Rogue Jan 4 for only a few hours before she swapped it for another car. The fully loaded was then rented to Judith Fleissig, 58, of Rochester, New York.

God DAM IT! Why do I never get to find the good stuff? All I ever get is maps, plastic earings and used condoms.
 
2014-01-16 12:12:16 PM

vpb: That's just a red herring to draw attention from the fact that you didn't know what you were talking about when you tried to claim that there was only one assault rile.


I never claimed there was only one assault rifle.

And you are dodging the fact that the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr was semi-automatic. The people who invented the term assault rifle made a semi-automatic assault rifle.

From your own link:

"There is confusion concerning the designation, sources talk about the VG 1-5, the Volkssturm-Gewehr 1-5, Versuchs-Gerät 1-5, Gustloff and Gustloff Geräts 507."

Gewehr just means rifle, btw.

"Some selective fire VG 1-5s were made."

Issues with the article

"This article has been checked against the following

Referencing and citation: criterion not met
Coverage and accuracy:  criterion not met"

Oh, and before you start with the "anyone can edit Wikipedia" nonsense, Wikipedia isn't a primary source of information, it's an aggregator much like Fark.  The actual source of the information is linked to at the bottom of the article.

See above.
 
2014-01-16 12:12:49 PM

umad: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

Maybe we should call them "abortions" and then use the fear that is kicked up to ban abortions. That is the entire point. The anti-gunners are trying to get common semi-automatic rifles banned, so they love to lump them in with automatic rifles to convince the other mouth breathers of their ilk to support the bans. Stop being misleading and maybe we will work with you on a few things. As it is, all you will ever get from us to any of your suggestions is "How about no."


You are needlessly inventing conspiracy, by acting as though some gun control advocate has actually admitted that having the public confusing semi-automatic rifles with actual military machine guns would improve support for firearm bans.
 
2014-01-16 12:12:59 PM

Fark It: Ms Fleissig's daughtrer opened the bag expecting to find an ID, she instead found the firearm.
'We got out of the car, we were kind of freaked out,' she told the paper. 'I didn't want to touch it.'
Both women were stunned.
'Oh my God, it's a gun,' Ms Fleissig's daughter said.  'I said, 'I think I'm going to throw up,' she recalled.

 Seriously?


Thankfully it's legal to transport a concealed weapon between your car and a game hunting expedition in Southern California.  Most folks around here see you getting in and out of a car with a scary gun and they flip out.

*sigh*

I suppose it would be funny to see some random woman throw-up to kick off a hunt, but the helicopters and LEO crawling the hillsides looking for you after might be....inconvient.
 
2014-01-16 12:13:07 PM

Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...


Did you have to take them through the ATF to make sure they aren't hot or evidence before you took possession?
 
2014-01-16 12:13:51 PM

vpb: Fark It:
You.  Are.  Wrong.  The STG-45 wasn't even fielded in the war.  The STG series of weapons were "assault rifles," in that they were select-fire, that's one of their defining features, the other being the intermediate cartridge.

That's cute.  When you are making up your own facts, just put a period after every word.  That way it looks authoritative.

So what if it wasn't fielded?  That has nothing to do with anything.  That's just a red herring to draw attention from the fact that you didn't know what you were talking about when you tried to claim that there was only one assault rile.

And you are dodging the fact that the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr was semi-automatic.  The people who invented the term assault rifle made a semi-automatic assault rifle.

Let me repeat that.  It's an objectively demonstrable fact that the people who invented the term assault rifle made semi-automatic assault rifles.  They fielded some of them too, not that that is relevant.

You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

Yes, that's why I am documenting that my facts are actual facts.  Unlike yours.

Oh, and before you start with the "anyone can edit Wikipedia" nonsense, Wikipedia isn't a primary source of information, it's an aggregator much like Fark.  The actual source of the information is linked to at the bottom of the article.

Also you can go see examples of the first semi automatic assault rifles from WWII in various museums if you want to do that.


The "assault rifle" you are trying to claim was a propaganda push at the end of WW2 when they didn't have the ability or material to make the StG 44s anymore. It uses an entirely different technology than every other *actual* assault rifle ever made, and was, once again, part of the German "Primitive Weapon" program. They never saw any type of substantive use because their production runs were the last few weeks of the war.
 
2014-01-16 12:14:37 PM

croesius: Mikey1969: That may not be a collapsible stock, it may just be a shock absorbing stock... I've seen ones like that tat don't collapse, they just compress to reduce recoil, like a shock absorber... That handgrip is deadly though.

Naah, that's a adjustable (collapsible) stock, LMT's SOPMOD. Does have a shock absorber rubber pad on the ass-end of it, but no integrated shocks.

Man, I fired one once where the stock was basically filled with BBs, that was an amazingly gentle recoil...

I...I want that. Just going from the basic serrated plastic buttstock to a magpul stock with a pad was a massive improvement. You don't remember what make that stock was, by any chance?


Unfortunately, no... I can't even remember who it was whose gun it was, a friend or family member, but it was sure sweet.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:11 PM
Why is there only ONE picture of the offender in here.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:14 PM

croesius: lilplatinum: /guess what, assholes - the dictionary says a clip and a magazine are the same thing, so they are

Irregardless of what a dictionary declares, those two terms both have an ideal definition. The fact that they are used interchangeably doesn't alter the fact that a clip most accurately describes one thing, and a magazine most accurately describes another.


Gun nuts get their tiny little dicks bent out of shape when someone defines an assault weapon in a way they feel is not justified, and then get their tiny little dicks bent out of shape when somoene accurately uses a word as it is defined in a dictionary. 

Its almost as if they only care about correct definitions when it is politically expedient to their reckless little hobby.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:19 PM

vpb: Dimensio:
Just as you are "objectively wrong" when you declare that a rifle that operates only in a semi-automatic fashion is an "assault rifle".

That's your answer?  "Uh UHHHH!  YOU!"

Really?

You can stamp your feet and pretend whatever you want, but the term "assault weapon"  defined in law.  It's something that can be proven in court.

Also it's common vernacular.  It doesn't really matter if you approve of the term or not, you don't have any authority to dictate the English language to anyone.  It's like an anti-abortion protester trying to claim that the term "pro choice" doesn't exist.

And an assault rifle doesn't stop being an assault rifle if you make it semi automatic any more than a dog stops being a dog if it loses a leg.  Even if you were to de-mil it entirely so it didn't fire, it would sill be an assault rifle.



So my ruger rifle changes fundamentally depending on what state line I've walked across? Sweet.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:36 PM
So how many clips were left with the assault rifle?
 
2014-01-16 12:16:22 PM

Dimensio: Skyd1v: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: The optics alone cost over $1,000, and Tannehill is a starting QB, so that's probably not a Walmart-tier Shrubmaster. It's probably a Noveske or something.

My first reaction as well. Who leaves something worth thousands of dollars just laying around in a rental car?!

And a firearm is much larger than a necklace.

Worked for a large car rental chain for a couple of years back in the mid-90's.  You would be amazed at what people leave behind and never call/come back to collect.  Some of the things I picked up out of returns (and I would have given back if they had called in) were:

Remington model 700
Colt 1911
4 bamboo fly rods
Dry suit with spear gun
Geiger counter
Several stun guns
Booze.  Gallons upon gallons of booze.

/still got the guns...

I would suffer a panic attack should I suspect that I had misplaced a firearm. Should such an event occur, I would seriously reconsider whether I should continue to own them.


Because you aren't one of the failed science experiments that made up a large minority of the customer base we had I suspect.

Was doing society a favor by relocating those guns to a more responsible home.  One of the detailers found a small sub-machine gun (not sure what kind - I wasn't there that day) that had been illegally converted to full-auto.  THAT brought in a whole mess of feds.

/Seriously - If you are going to leave behind something that is highly illegal, don't leave it in a car you rented under your own name and credit card.
 
2014-01-16 12:17:20 PM

redmid17: It uses an entirely different technology than every other *actual* assault rifle ever made, and was, once again, part of the German "Primitive Weapon" program.


And at that point in the war they wouldn't have had that much ammunition to spare, not to mention that the recoil and muzzle-climb from a gas blowback-operated assault rifle would have been, adventurous, to say the least.  Imagine a STEN, except instead of a 124gr bullet at 1,000 fps, you have basically the same weight projectile going more than twice as fast.
 
2014-01-16 12:18:22 PM
Do all white football players and their wives look exactly the same? Because this could be a generic photo of any white football player and his wife.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-01-16 12:18:51 PM

Mikey1969: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mikey1969: Of course, looking at the gun, I also would have my doubts that it was used in any crime, you don't often drop that kind of cabbage on your choice of weapon for drive bys...


It's exactly the kind of weapon you'd use for an assassination attempt.

I can see a TV series now...airheaded hot model wife of an NFL QB by day, airheaded assassin for hire by night...
 
2014-01-16 12:18:53 PM

Fark It: I think it is unreasonable to assume that there would be a bomb to go along with a rifle.  If it was a crime weapon it wouldn't have well over $1k worth of accessories on it, and it would be at the bottom of a large body of water.  I would have probably touched it to check to see if it was loaded, and then unloaded it if necessary.  It being a rental car I would assume that somebody left it there, and that it's highly unlikely a criminal with a $2k rifle would leave a murder weapon in a rental car, that you need state-ID and a credit card to rent, where the rental agency has you on video when you check out and drop it off.  But then again, I'm kind of thoughtful and don't go clutching my pearls.


Florida.  Airport rental car office.  Airports are TSA propaganda zones.   Reasonable to assume?  No--but reasonable to be careful--yes.  These folks clearly have no clue about the cost of the item or it's accessories.   I am not familiar with the AR-15, and would not touch a random one found in a rental car.    I would also have chosen to call the police before the car rental company.

Well, your daughter was still a child.  The woman in this case was an adult med student visiting potential residency programs.  And there's nothing inherently violent about a gun all by itself.

Well crud, got my numbers mixed up in the first read, confused times with ages.   I initially thought the daughter was a child--my error.

/find it ironic that you profess an affinity for martial arts in your profile
//"Violence is abhorrent to the innocent."


Martial arts has a long history of pacifistic practitioners.
 I've never needed to inflict harm in any real world situations.   Some of my classmates have certainly done so (special forces, police officers/trainers).   I personally hate violence.  And peanuts.  But those things exist, and can harm me and people I care about.   Most of practical self defense is avoiding situations.
 
2014-01-16 12:19:52 PM

Dimensio: coeyagi: Dimensio: coeyagi: tblax: My favorite part about these threads is all the gun nerds flipping a tit over terms

Exactly.  OMG, they said "Assault Rifle", and it's NOT an assault rifle, therefore the gun owner was completely responsible and the article writer is the irresponsible one!

Deflection is all they have.

I recognize both that leaving a rifle in a rented vehicle is irresponsible and that describing the rifle as an "assault rifle" is factually incorrect. However, I understand your need to claim that a correction of incorrect information is "deflection", given that you cannot actually show the correction to be false.

Why bring it up at all?  Why not be the bigger man and get to the heart of the issue, that the b*tch was irresponsible.  I know, I know, your agenda, furthermore and comma.  You're a reasonable person in non gun threads, but pretty much insufferable in gun threads.  FYI.

I have already questioned the lack of criminal charges.


I may have missed it, but since there is no mention of ammunition being present, I'm guessing it wasn't, as they always mention it when there is.

So why would there be criminal charges if there was no ammunition?

I'll put it a different way.  Suppose I leave an explosive detonation control box in a car, but no explosives.  Certainly ill-advised, and careless, but not reckless.
 
2014-01-16 12:20:03 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Ms Tannehill rented the white Nissan Rogue Jan 4 for only a few hours before she swapped it for another car. The fully loaded was then rented to Judith Fleissig, 58, of Rochester, New York.

God DAM IT! Why do I never get to find the good stuff? All I ever get is maps, plastic earings and used condoms.


I found a roach in the ash tray of a rented Dodge aspen once...
 
2014-01-16 12:20:04 PM
Great_Milenko: Richard C Stanford: God, just everything about that article...
The dumbass leaving his $2,000 dollar rifle in a rental car and forgetting about it.
The Mails hysterical all-caps ASSAULT RIFLE! head line, showing exactly how much they know about firearms.
And this little gem from the "victims":
"'Oh my God, it's a gun,' Ms Fleissig's daughter said. 'I said, 'I think I'm going to throw up,' she recalled."

First, what's $2,00 to the wife of a professional athlete?

Second, yeah, yeah, an AR-15 is as safe as a teddy bear.  Whatever. (wtf?)

And lastly, not everyone is a gun nut (That's true all accross the aisle).  Finding one in a rental car could lead to any normal person who watches too much TV, to vomit or wet themselves, to several unappealing conclusions about possible crimes committed, etc.(hold me!!!)
 
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