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(HyperVocal)   We may finally have a cure for Vertical Video Syndrome   (hypervocal.com) divider line 23
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2014-01-16 12:29:37 PM  
3 votes:

grinding_journalist: Egoy3k: There do exist some rare but legitimate reasons to record in vertical orientation.

Can you name a few? I'm curious what examples you have in mind that wouldn't be better solved by a simple vertical pan.


vincemichael.files.wordpress.com
Filming a suicide jumper from the ground, and you want to keep both them and the ground in frame.

www.talentnetworkinc.com
Video of a single person doing something at waist level with their hands, while talking to the camera.

b.vimeocdn.com
Videos where the perspective extends upwards and the action is ahead.

Basically, pretty much any time the important parts of the picture are separated vertically, not horizontally.
2014-01-16 10:50:07 AM  
3 votes:
How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.

/pet peeve at concerts
//people recording them with their tablets is worse
2014-01-16 10:16:20 AM  
3 votes:
So you're saying that someone who's too dumb to figure out that they shouldn't be holding their phone upright while filming video is going to spend a dollar on an app they will then use to cure themselves of this affliction they aren't even smart enough to know they have?
2014-01-16 10:36:53 AM  
2 votes:

Dust: So you're saying that someone who's too dumb to figure out that they shouldn't be holding their phone upright while filming video is going to spend a dollar on an app they will then use to cure themselves of this affliction they aren't even smart enough to know they have?


Exactly, any solution needs to be baked into the OS. Smartphones have all these sensors; why can't they sense when the owner is holding the phone in portrait orientation and trying to record video and simply record a Rickroll (in landscape orientation) instead?

Mom: "Hey Mom, I took this video of your grandson's first step! Watch..."

Phone: "Never gonna give you up..."

Mom: ???????
2014-01-16 09:47:08 AM  
2 votes:
I would prefer an approach where, the moment someone presses the "record" button with their phone held vertically, it gives them a painful but non-fatal electric shock. The shock gets stronger each successive time.
2014-01-17 03:40:59 PM  
1 votes:

Far Cough: And all of those phones are FAR less intrusive than a handful of big fat SLRs with zoom lenses, or a handful of large video cameras, usually with the photographer moving and crouching around. The cell cameras are discreet by necessity, since they're no bigger than index cards.


Clearly you haven't been to any concerts or festivals lately.
2014-01-17 11:30:55 AM  
1 votes:

Dust: So you're saying that someone who's too dumb to figure out that they shouldn't be holding their phone upright while filming video is going to spend a dollar on an app they will then use to cure themselves of this affliction they aren't even smart enough to know they have?


Apple users. So... Yeah?
2014-01-16 11:07:32 PM  
1 votes:
Why doesn't Youtube just display the video as it was shot, instead of assuming that everyone in the world wants to display in 4:3?
2014-01-16 03:15:10 PM  
1 votes:

Far Cough: T.rex: gunther_bumpass: T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?

Are your eyes on top of one another?
No?
Congratulations. Your vision (the result of millions of years of evolution) is in a horizontal aspect ratio.

Interesting analogy, but i don't buy it.   You made me think about it though.

Hmm, the view seems pretty much like a square to me, expanding in all directions.  In space the "aspect ratio" would probably appear more circular, but on earth the ground and walls and ceilings tend to imply right angles.


As a proto-human on the wilds plains for proto-Earth, you would have been more concerned with large land-based predators sneaking up on you as opposed to airborne predators, since there were none at the time.  Thus, you were more concerned with your horizontal visual field than your vertical range.

Wikipedia has a good read on the topic, as usual.  But to quote the important part:

The normal human visual field extends to approximately 60 degrees nasally (toward the nose, or inward) from the vertical meridian in each eye, to 100 degrees temporally (away from the nose, or outwards) from the vertical meridian, and approximately 60 degrees above and 75 below the horizontal meridian.
2014-01-16 02:33:09 PM  
1 votes:
If you anticipate many people will watch your video on phones, then vertical may be desired, particularly for talking heads. The "syndrome" is if the service you upload to adds black space to force all videos to be landscape, so no one can play them properly.
2014-01-16 02:32:43 PM  
1 votes:
It is easier to secretly record someone in portrait because it just looks like you are looking at your phone.
2014-01-16 02:23:04 PM  
1 votes:

T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?
If Shaquile O Neal walks buy, you can damn well rest assured that i'm going to film him vertically, and there's not a farking thing you tell me otherwise.

What needs to happen, is that players, and youtube interfaces need to get up to speed and display vertical videos in a full resolution window without shrinking it.

i7.photobucket.com
2014-01-16 02:15:42 PM  
1 votes:

ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.

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/Personally, I may take a pic or two and/or short bit of video, which takes all of a few seconds, and use the rest of whatever time to enjoy it myself, but hey, I'm not judging how someone else wants to document the occasion.  Unless his phone is blocking my view, in which case the little f'er can DIAF.


XKCD sure can be a preachy knob.
2014-01-16 01:25:45 PM  
1 votes:
All the Farkers white knighting Vertical Video need to find the nearest suicide booth and do the world a big favor by selecting "incinerate" on the menu screen.

It's now about resizing or cropping (which this app misses the point entirely on). It's about information, and yes... how our eyes are oriented. Newspapers and literary books are fine in portrait, because we scan them piece-by-piece. Art books, on the other hand, tend to be landscape, to allow us more visual intake. Portrait paintings tend to be designed to fit their subjects, which some have defended vertical videos with... but the problem here is information. Vertical videos, displayed on common display equipment, loses a LOT of information, since the content is scaled down dramatically to fit in the display. Congrats... you've just turned your 80" OLED display into a 32" display. Additionally, we simply aren't accustomed to scanning visual information vertically, so for many people, it becomes uncomfortable to even watch a vertical video.

Arguing for vertical video is about as dumb as arguing for the right to wear spray-on tan to the prom. I suspect the Venn diagram for those two demographics have a large overlap.

It's really not hard to turn your phone on the side to record video, if it is, you might have trouble counting to potato.
2014-01-16 01:23:11 PM  
1 votes:
There's nothing inherently wrong with holding the phone upright to film. The problem occurs when you do that without a particularly good reason

FrancoFile: ...any inherent reason in physics why one is better than the other...


Peripheral vision leaps immediately to mind. People don't see the world vertically, they see it horizontally. When you display a video vertically, it messes up the frame of reference. Even if I don't need to see what's happening off the edges of the screen, my brain still wants to because that's what it's used to. It's like looking at the world with horse blinders on. It's annoying and unnatural.
2014-01-16 12:58:45 PM  
1 votes:

FrancoFile: T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?

If Shaquile O Neal walks buy, you can damn well rest assured that i'm going to film him vertically, and there's not a farking thing you tell me otherwise.

What needs to happen, is that players, and youtube interfaces need to get up to speed and display vertical videos in a full resolution window without shrinking it.

Because we aren't watching them on Wang word processors.

For most people, it's jarring to see a portrait-oriented video on a landscape-oriented display.


Most people watch these videos in a computer window, and those can be resized.  Automatically even, if the player software was written by someone smarter than a six year old.

People are going to have black bars on the TV forever. They need to get over it, and learn to use the FIT WIDTH button when it is needed.
2014-01-16 12:29:11 PM  
1 votes:
Easy solution... replace the default camera app with one that refuses to record when held in portrait mode. You can only start recordings when holding it in landscape, because the slide to video is missing when tilted the wrong way.
2014-01-16 12:15:23 PM  
1 votes:

SinisterDexter: First World problems.  Seriously.  I mean, I get it that the aspect ratio doesn't match most screens that people will be viewing on, but widescreen movies get letterboxed on 16:9 screens all the time.  Yeah, gramma could have turned her phone sideways, but all the rage seems unwarranted over some 60 second cat videos.  You can always choose not to watch.


It's not a first world problem. They sell phones in the third world now.
2014-01-16 12:12:58 PM  
1 votes:
First World problems.  Seriously.  I mean, I get it that the aspect ratio doesn't match most screens that people will be viewing on, but widescreen movies get letterboxed on 16:9 screens all the time.  Yeah, gramma could have turned her phone sideways, but all the rage seems unwarranted over some 60 second cat videos.  You can always choose not to watch.
2014-01-16 12:10:09 PM  
1 votes:

ChrisDe: Is there a phone that prevents the user from taking selfies?


www.digitaltrends.com
2014-01-16 11:42:58 AM  
1 votes:
I cured my family of taking vertical videos with their phones by intentionally clipping the sides of some of their videos to make them appear even more vertical. Then displayed the vertically challenged video of their precious children's close up noses on their massive 65"+ HDTVs with giant black sides of the video.

They now never mistakenly hold their cameras vertically for videos.
2014-01-16 11:27:08 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.


images6.cpcache.com
2014-01-16 11:00:22 AM  
1 votes:
Requires iOS7 - meh.  I'm really surprised it took this long for something like this anyway.  The cameras by default should offer this option.
 
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