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2014-01-16 02:15:42 PM

ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.

[images6.cpcache.com image 400x400]

[imgs.xkcd.com image 728x482]

/Personally, I may take a pic or two and/or short bit of video, which takes all of a few seconds, and use the rest of whatever time to enjoy it myself, but hey, I'm not judging how someone else wants to document the occasion.  Unless his phone is blocking my view, in which case the little f'er can DIAF.


XKCD sure can be a preachy knob.
 
2014-01-16 02:23:03 PM
You'll get over it.

/if I could have written that in Comic Sans, I would have
 
2014-01-16 02:23:04 PM

T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?
If Shaquile O Neal walks buy, you can damn well rest assured that i'm going to film him vertically, and there's not a farking thing you tell me otherwise.

What needs to happen, is that players, and youtube interfaces need to get up to speed and display vertical videos in a full resolution window without shrinking it.

i7.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-16 02:23:50 PM

ZeroCorpse: SinisterDexter: First World problems.  Seriously.  I mean, I get it that the aspect ratio doesn't match most screens that people will be viewing on, but widescreen movies get letterboxed on 16:9 screens all the time.  Yeah, gramma could have turned her phone sideways, but all the rage seems unwarranted over some 60 second cat videos.  You can always choose not to watch.

The problem comes in when it's a news video-- a video of some event that ends up on the news-- shot by some dork who didn't know how to hold his camera. This includes weather events (hurricanes, blizzards, tornadoes, etc.), cops abusing someone, fights in fast food restaurants, car chases, assaults of various kinds, Black Friday mob videos, and other events that people might want to see because it's news, but would rather not have to see in vertical format because you can't see the whole scene as well as if it were shot in landscape/horizontal mode.

These people shoot these videos then submit them to the news, and we get to watch them on TV (or online) like this. It's no fun watching some newsworthy event unfold when 75% of the screen is black border. It's even worse when the dork holding the phone won't shut up while shooting their half-assed video.


I do like the pillarboxing they tend to do when showing cell phone videos on tv. I wish i could find a VLC plugin that did that for 4:3 content on a 16:9 screen...
 
2014-01-16 02:25:15 PM

Cyno01: It's no fun watching some newsworthy event unfold when 75% of the screen is black border.


Quick! To the fainting couch!
 
2014-01-16 02:27:50 PM
Since TFA has already linked the Glove and Boots video, I'll just quote an important part of the piece:  You can turn a photo, but you can't turn a video.

There have been several Fark threads where VVS has been discussed, and so many Farkers more succinct and coherent than I have sussed this out about the difference between what makes a better composition in Photos than in Videos.

I have a cheap MP3 player with a camera, and my cell phone has a camera, so I always try to take pics with appropriate orientation, but videos horizontally.  Now that I also have a 3DS, I think on horizontal composition, because the display technique certainly won't work with vertical.  It does make you consider how to best frame your shot.
 
2014-01-16 02:29:14 PM

T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?


Are your eyes on top of one another?
No?
Congratulations. Your vision (the result of millions of years of evolution) is in a horizontal aspect ratio.
 
2014-01-16 02:29:40 PM

Mercutio74: Mad_Radhu: and have up 3x digitial zoom that keeps the video resolution at 1080p so you can actually get in pretty close without losing quality.

If you have a digital zoom that's recording 1920x1080 at 3x, that suggests that phone has approximately a 6K sensor.   There are film production cameras that don't do that.


The Lumia 1020 has a 41 MP sensor, so it has 7k worth of pixels to play with when zooming digitally. The quality isn't anywhere near what a professional camera would do, but technically it has the pixels to do it. It is a 2/3" sensor so it is a decent size for a phone.
 
2014-01-16 02:30:27 PM
Hmm, I think I can count the pictures I've taken with any of my cell phone on two hands. Movies, I guess I might have taken one at some point in time, but I couldn't say when. Mostly my phone is just for calling or receiving calls. I guess I've already found the cure to cell phone video problems.
 
2014-01-16 02:31:40 PM

grinding_journalist: Egoy3k: There do exist some rare but legitimate reasons to record in vertical orientation.

Can you name a few? I'm curious what examples you have in mind that wouldn't be better solved by a simple vertical pan.


Quadruple Take Masterclass
 
2014-01-16 02:32:43 PM
It is easier to secretly record someone in portrait because it just looks like you are looking at your phone.
 
2014-01-16 02:33:09 PM
If you anticipate many people will watch your video on phones, then vertical may be desired, particularly for talking heads. The "syndrome" is if the service you upload to adds black space to force all videos to be landscape, so no one can play them properly.
 
2014-01-16 02:34:29 PM
Yeah, I don't get the vertical video hate, at all.  Perhaps like some others I was "spoiled" by a Blackberry for which it didn't seem to matter.

Holding a phone vertically is often a much more secure way to keep a hold of it, and it's easier to elevate.  If the vertical video bothers you that much, then crop it, or skip it.  Big hairy deal.  The phone is the modern day snapshot camera / instamatic, with video capability.  Not everyone needs to be a cinematographer to record a video snapshot of their kid playing a cello.  Gasp, portrait orientation!
 
2014-01-16 02:40:14 PM
If your mom is doing a striptease three feet in front of me, holding my phone horizontally might crop out her best parts.

I'll hold it vertically, thanks.
 
2014-01-16 02:46:13 PM

Slow To Return: If your mom is doing a striptease three feet in front of me, holding my phone horizontally might crop out her best parts.

I'll hold it vertically, thanks.


You've never met my mom...
 
2014-01-16 02:48:00 PM

gunther_bumpass: T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?

Are your eyes on top of one another?
No?
Congratulations. Your vision (the result of millions of years of evolution) is in a horizontal aspect ratio.


Interesting analogy, but i don't buy it.   You made me think about it though.
 
2014-01-16 02:51:06 PM

T.rex: gunther_bumpass: T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?

Are your eyes on top of one another?
No?
Congratulations. Your vision (the result of millions of years of evolution) is in a horizontal aspect ratio.

Interesting analogy, but i don't buy it.   You made me think about it though.


Hmm, the view seems pretty much like a square to me, expanding in all directions.  In space the "aspect ratio" would probably appear more circular, but on earth the ground and walls and ceilings tend to imply right angles.
 
2014-01-16 02:57:25 PM

meanmutton: Whenever someone says "First World problems" they really mean "I think everyone who lives outside North America and Western Europe is a dirt-living barbarian who thinks that technology is magic."



Are you telling us they're not?
 
2014-01-16 02:57:49 PM

grinding_journalist: Egoy3k: There do exist some rare but legitimate reasons to record in vertical orientation.

Can you name a few? I'm curious what examples you have in mind that wouldn't be better solved by a simple vertical pan.


I can name a few, but none of them are available for discussion in polite society.

/Farkers should be familiar with all of them
//and a few I'm unfamiliar with
 
2014-01-16 03:00:41 PM
World star!
 
2014-01-16 03:15:10 PM

Far Cough: T.rex: gunther_bumpass: T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?

Are your eyes on top of one another?
No?
Congratulations. Your vision (the result of millions of years of evolution) is in a horizontal aspect ratio.

Interesting analogy, but i don't buy it.   You made me think about it though.

Hmm, the view seems pretty much like a square to me, expanding in all directions.  In space the "aspect ratio" would probably appear more circular, but on earth the ground and walls and ceilings tend to imply right angles.


As a proto-human on the wilds plains for proto-Earth, you would have been more concerned with large land-based predators sneaking up on you as opposed to airborne predators, since there were none at the time.  Thus, you were more concerned with your horizontal visual field than your vertical range.

Wikipedia has a good read on the topic, as usual.  But to quote the important part:

The normal human visual field extends to approximately 60 degrees nasally (toward the nose, or inward) from the vertical meridian in each eye, to 100 degrees temporally (away from the nose, or outwards) from the vertical meridian, and approximately 60 degrees above and 75 below the horizontal meridian.
 
2014-01-16 03:16:26 PM
Let them film things the wrong way. It keeps the rest of us who film things the right way in a job.

When everyone has roughly equivalent tech, it`s the ones that use it best that get the rewards.
 
2014-01-16 03:18:47 PM

NateAsbestos: ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.

[images6.cpcache.com image 400x400]

[imgs.xkcd.com image 728x482]

/Personally, I may take a pic or two and/or short bit of video, which takes all of a few seconds, and use the rest of whatever time to enjoy it myself, but hey, I'm not judging how someone else wants to document the occasion.  Unless his phone is blocking my view, in which case the little f'er can DIAF.

XKCD sure can be a preachy knob.


It's preachy to tell people to stop being preachy?
 
2014-01-16 03:21:50 PM

meanmutton: NateAsbestos: ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.

[images6.cpcache.com image 400x400]

[imgs.xkcd.com image 728x482]

/Personally, I may take a pic or two and/or short bit of video, which takes all of a few seconds, and use the rest of whatever time to enjoy it myself, but hey, I'm not judging how someone else wants to document the occasion.  Unless his phone is blocking my view, in which case the little f'er can DIAF.

XKCD sure can be a preachy knob.

It's preachy to tell people to stop being preachy?


It's worse than preachy; it's meta-preachy.  Didn't you know that?

Maybe we shouldn't be so meta-snarky...
 
2014-01-16 03:29:28 PM
ReverendLoki:
Maybe we shouldn't be so meta-snarky...

Don't tell me what to do.
 
2014-01-16 03:34:20 PM

Far Cough: ReverendLoki:
Maybe we shouldn't be so meta-snarky...

Don't tell me what to do.


Don't tell me what to not tell you to do.
 
2014-01-16 03:43:09 PM
It's a fair cop.
 
2014-01-16 04:12:26 PM
Great, now where will these folks get new footage to show?

datenform.de
 
2014-01-16 04:14:27 PM
If Abraham Zapruder was a moron with a cell phone:

i975.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-16 04:21:40 PM

gunther_bumpass: If Abraham Zapruder was a moron with a cell phone:

[i975.photobucket.com image 640x391]


That's "were a moron".

Just saying.
 
2014-01-16 04:27:58 PM

Far Cough: gunther_bumpass: If Abraham Zapruder was a moron with a cell phone:

[i975.photobucket.com image 640x391]

That's "were a moron".

Just saying.


I claim colloquial use, ya farking pedant.
 
2014-01-16 04:32:02 PM
Well, it's just that when you go calling a huge swath of other people "morons"...  Fair game.
 
2014-01-16 04:47:08 PM

Pocket Ninja: I would prefer an approach where, the moment someone presses the "record" button with their phone held vertically, it gives them a painful but non-fatal electric shock. The shock gets stronger each successive time.


Aha, I always thought you were Stanley Milgram in disguise.  (Sounds like a good idea to me.)
 
2014-01-16 04:58:04 PM

Far Cough: Well, it's just that when you go calling a huge swath of other people "morons"...  Fair game.


Oh fark off. When the difference between 'was' and 'were' is clearly delineated in our physical anatomy for millions of years, you -might- then have a point, you giant wobbly dildo.
 
2014-01-16 05:12:15 PM

gunther_bumpass: Far Cough: Well, it's just that when you go calling a huge swath of other people "morons"...  Fair game.

Oh fark off.


Yup, that's my name!  Good on you for finally figuring it out.  You're clever.

My "point" was that you had the temerity to call a huge number of people "morons" because they disagreed with or didn't care about a (rather meaningless) position you hold, and that while doing so you made an elementary grammatical mistake.  In other words, you were being both childishly stupid and hypocritical at the same time.  Don't do that.
 
2014-01-16 05:26:20 PM

gunther_bumpass: If Abraham Zapruder was a moron with a cell phone:

[i975.photobucket.com image 640x391]


You cropped that a bit much, probably as intentional hyperbole.

The fact remains, though, that 1920 x 1080 contains just as many pixels as 1080 x 1920.  The fact that not all playback devices can gracefully handle portrait mode doesn't invalidate portrait mode as a valid mode.  A portrait mode movie plays back just fine on my iPad, thank you very much.

Do the same thing you did with JFK, but with the Eiffel Tower instead.  To get a landscape shot and still fit the tower from top to bottom, you need to zoom out and include a LOT more sky than you'd probably like.  Which, if I understand correctly, is what the technology in TFA does.
 
2014-01-16 06:10:31 PM

T.rex: gunther_bumpass: T.rex: Can someone please offer a reason WHY a vertical video should be considered inferior to a horizontal video?

Are your eyes on top of one another?
No?
Congratulations. Your vision (the result of millions of years of evolution) is in a horizontal aspect ratio.

Interesting analogy, but i don't buy it.   You made me think about it though.


"Nobody cares about you!"
slacktory.com
/hot like rage against VVS.
 
2014-01-16 07:47:32 PM

ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.

[images6.cpcache.com image 400x400]

[imgs.xkcd.com image 728x482]


And again XKCD demonstrates why I hate them and their crappy comic strip.
 
2014-01-16 08:01:53 PM

ZeroCorpse: ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.

[images6.cpcache.com image 400x400]

[imgs.xkcd.com image 728x482]

And again XKCD demonstrates why I hate them and their crappy comic strip.


Do you approve of anything, Eeyore?
 
2014-01-16 08:14:27 PM

ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.
[images6.cpcache.com image 400x400]
[imgs.xkcd.com image 728x482]
/Personally, I may take a pic or two and/or short bit of video, which takes all of a few seconds, and use the rest of whatever time to enjoy it myself, but hey, I'm not judging how someone else wants to document the occasion.  Unless his phone is blocking my view, in which case the little f'er can DIAF.


Indeed. This is one of the few occasions where Munroe is wrong. GET OUT OF THE farkING WAY!!
 
2014-01-16 08:42:28 PM

grinding_journalist: I recall seeing a guy recording the vast majority of a concert on his phone, and then seeing him again in a beer line. I asked if he takes video of all the concerts he goes to and he said yes. I asked if he goes to many, and he said yes. I asked if I could see a video he shot of another concert, and he said no. Why? "Because I usually delete them after the show."

I didn't bother with any follow up questions.


I can understand that if the guy was a short-arse standing directly behind some 2m giants - a phone and a sore arm might be the only way to watch.  Otherwise, the guy was just being a coont.

/short-arse
 
2014-01-16 11:07:32 PM
Why doesn't Youtube just display the video as it was shot, instead of assuming that everyone in the world wants to display in 4:3?
 
2014-01-17 04:20:25 AM

dangelder: Why doesn't Youtube just display the video as it was shot, instead of assuming that everyone in the world wants to display in 4:3?


So much farking THIS.

It's not a damned silver screen.  There is no reason Youtube cannot adapt the ratio of the little video window to the format of the shot.
 
2014-01-17 08:31:05 AM
My non-smart phone requires that I hold it vertically or I would have sideways videos, so ppffffftttt!
 
2014-01-17 10:24:22 AM

lindseyp: dangelder: Why doesn't Youtube just display the video as it was shot, instead of assuming that everyone in the world wants to display in 4:3?

So much farking THIS.

It's not a damned silver screen.  There is no reason Youtube cannot adapt the ratio of the little video window to the format of the shot.


Wait, so that's what everyone is so mad about?  Youtube fails to play the video the way it was recorded (intentionally or not), and that causes people to start puffing out their chests, calling innocent phone users names, and demanding that others follow strict instructions on how one is allowed to take photographs?

Sheesh, the unmitigated gall and pretension.  How do you even live with that weight of self-importance on your shoulders?
 
2014-01-17 10:42:12 AM

Ishkur: ReverendLoki: Ishkur: Mugato: How about putting the phone in your pocket and just watch the concert and try to remember it later. With your memory. In your brain. That's in your head.
[images6.cpcache.com image 400x400]
[imgs.xkcd.com image 728x482]
/Personally, I may take a pic or two and/or short bit of video, which takes all of a few seconds, and use the rest of whatever time to enjoy it myself, but hey, I'm not judging how someone else wants to document the occasion.  Unless his phone is blocking my view, in which case the little f'er can DIAF.

Indeed. This is one of the few occasions where Munroe is wrong. GET OUT OF THE farkING WAY!!


I don't think he was commenting on that, just using the phone to take pictures/video in general instead of just "making memories".

If some guy wants to record it all, fine, doesn't effect me, he's welcome to live his life however he wants.  He wants to record it by holding his giant iTablet so it blocks my view, that does effect me directly.

Growing up, my dad the EE was an early tech adopter and avid photographer/videographer.  We travel on vacation, he's lugging around the huge two piece camera/VHS setup with him.  No one really got pissed off at that.  But now, if you pull out your teeny tiny smart phone....
 
2014-01-17 11:30:55 AM

Dust: So you're saying that someone who's too dumb to figure out that they shouldn't be holding their phone upright while filming video is going to spend a dollar on an app they will then use to cure themselves of this affliction they aren't even smart enough to know they have?


Apple users. So... Yeah?
 
2014-01-17 02:21:38 PM

ReverendLoki: Growing up, my dad the EE was an early tech adopter and avid photographer/videographer. We travel on vacation, he's lugging around the huge two piece camera/VHS setup with him. No one really got pissed off at that. But now, if you pull out your teeny tiny smart phone....


One person? No. 1000 people?
 
2014-01-17 03:23:41 PM

Ishkur: ReverendLoki: Growing up, my dad the EE was an early tech adopter and avid photographer/videographer. We travel on vacation, he's lugging around the huge two piece camera/VHS setup with him. No one really got pissed off at that. But now, if you pull out your teeny tiny smart phone....

One person? No. 1000 people?


And all of those phones are FAR less intrusive than a handful of big fat SLRs with zoom lenses, or a handful of large video cameras, usually with the photographer moving and crouching around.  The cell cameras are discreet by necessity, since they're no bigger than index cards.

People have always been bothered by photographers, and the same rules apply as always.  If it's your crazy uncle or dad, you grin and bear it.  If it's a stranger, he or she has to GET OUT OF YOUR FACE.  It doesn't matter how big the camera is or if it's part of a phone/PDA/tablet/eyeglass.  A little god damn common courtesy goes a long way.
 
2014-01-17 03:40:59 PM

Far Cough: And all of those phones are FAR less intrusive than a handful of big fat SLRs with zoom lenses, or a handful of large video cameras, usually with the photographer moving and crouching around. The cell cameras are discreet by necessity, since they're no bigger than index cards.


Clearly you haven't been to any concerts or festivals lately.
 
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