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2014-01-16 12:58:44 PM
My '04 Civic has a manual transmission. Back when I bought it, I had no intention of getting one with a stick but I test drove both and liked mine better. The cost was the same and the mileage wasn't that different. It just ended up being a preference thing.

Funny story though. A few years back I had to get new tires. I go to Costco and my car wasn't in the parking lot. Apparently, the only guy in the shop that knew how to drive a stick was the tire center manager.
 
2014-01-16 01:02:44 PM

Lawnchair: I'm not entirely opposed. Or, at least I think driver's ed should be taught in a manual transmission car to level the playing field a bit. And I say this as someone who doesn't know how and has never touched a clutch pedal (in as much as every 'friend' I've ever asked has said, "oh, hell no I'm not teaching anyone").

Unfortunately, that would add 1-2 weeks

hours to drivers ed, which would cost money, so it doesn't happen.

I've taught more than a few friends to drive a manual... If you can't learn it in an afternoon, you shouldn't be driving. Hell, you probably shouldn't be walking unsupervised.

We have a couple of quads and dirt bikes that are all manuals. My 12 year old's friends have all learned to operate them in under an hour.
 
2014-01-16 01:04:47 PM
Years ago a kid stole my manual transmission car.  I found out later that his girlfriend wanted to teach him how to drive a stick shift and they used my car to do it. I got my car back about a week later but I was glad I could contribute to the education of our youth.
 
2014-01-16 01:06:12 PM

new_york_monty: moike: I drive race cars regularly and I still think dealing with the hassle of a manual transmission/clutch in a four-wheeled vehicle driven on public roads is just dumb.

/motorcycles get a pass

Where I live, traffic isn't really a thing. My 12 mile commute takes 10 minutes. And it's all fun mountain roads. There's no hassle with a manual transmission around here and it helps when snow blankets the roads for 5 months. I get why people don't want them in gridlocked areas, though I did drive a manual on Long Island when I lived there, too.


I'll give you that one...

When I lived in the Santa Cruz mountains my primary commute to work was all twisties.  I rode the motorcycle every day with the exception of days where the weather was just too crappy to take the risk.  And on those days I just hopped in the Outback and pretended I was a a Finnish rallycross champion.
 
2014-01-16 01:30:42 PM
I tried to teach a young guy, just out of the Marines, how to drive our stick-shift work truck. He was really embarrassed that he didn't know how to do it first try, but I told him it wasn't a big deal. Young people anymore, if they can drive a stick at all, think that every one of them is exactly the same, and that if they can master one, the others should feel just like that. No, you have to adjust to each vehicle.

I was the only person on our work crew who could drive the old truck.
 
2014-01-16 01:34:06 PM

LeroyBourne: If it's not a manual transmission, it's a deal breaker.  I love telling car salesmen that when they repeatedly try to sell me automatics.


I went to test drive a FR-S and ran into that. The guy I unfortunately got stuck with was the sales manager. He works the floor at that dealership. He couldn't understand why I insisted on a manual. Maybe it was because they only had an automatic on hand but he did look genuinely confused at the concept. I told him that I preferred a manual and that I was looking around for a new sports car. I just got done looking at a couple others and I know what I want. He tells me to hold on for a moment and disappears for 10 minutes.

I was sitting at a table staring out of the front windows and see him pull up out front in a tC. He comes in and tries to get me to take a test drive. "What part of 'I'm looking for a sports car' didn't you understand?" "It's kind of sporty." "... No." and then I left.

So, he was treating me as a walking dollar sign and was trying to get me to leave with something, anything and he couldn't understand why I wanted a stick shift. I've done to this dealer for something else in the past and I got him before. He's just a douche.

The people at Subaru were actually pleasant to deal with and talk to. Fark you, Scion guy.

ladodger34: Funny story though. A few years back I had to get new tires. I go to Costco and my car wasn't in the parking lot. Apparently, the only guy in the shop that knew how to drive a stick was the tire center manager.


A couple of weeks back my tire was losing air pretty quickly so I left work and headed to the nearest tire place. I ended up at a Midas. The tech came back in after I gave him the keys and said that he can't drive stick and asked me to pull it up to the lift myself. And afterwards I had to pull it out of the shop, too.
 
2014-01-16 01:51:52 PM

mjohnson71: CtrlAltDestroy: Manual transmission - The best anti-theft device you can buy.

In my 20's I lived in a crappy neighborhood and after the 4th time stolen my car with an automatic transmission was totaled. I bought a Toyota pickup truck with a stick as a replacement and never had a problem after that. They tried a number of time and never succeeded.


My car (inadvertently) even goes a step better than that. Six speed manual with one of those little rings around the shift knob that you need to pull up to allow the knob to shift into reverse position. Well, a year or two ago, the crappy plastic coupling between the ring and the armature that triggered reverse broke, so now the ring is useless. To put the car in reverse, I reach down beneath the boot and pull the little switch manually. Even better, the crappy plastic piece on the shift knob that has the gear mapping on it broke off too. So even if someone who knew how to drive manual tried to steal my POS, they wouldn't know how to put it in reverse; they'd have to push it out of wherever with their own legs and the damn thing in neutral. Great for anti-theft. Terrible when I need to bring it in to get new tires though.
 
2014-01-16 01:57:11 PM
There have been no arrests.

So............... they won, then?
 
2014-01-16 02:00:13 PM

pute kisses like a man: I made no comment on complication. I made a comment on pleasure.


In my experience, people who find a manual unpleasurable are the types of morons who think you need to keep it in gear and stand on both the clutch and brake through every stop light. If you don't know how to work it so that it isn't a pain, then it is too complicated for you. This is the very reason they invented the automatic, and the reason that people like yourself prefer them.
 
2014-01-16 02:02:45 PM

Flt209er: mjohnson71: CtrlAltDestroy: Manual transmission - The best anti-theft device you can buy.

In my 20's I lived in a crappy neighborhood and after the 4th time stolen my car with an automatic transmission was totaled. I bought a Toyota pickup truck with a stick as a replacement and never had a problem after that. They tried a number of time and never succeeded.

My car (inadvertently) even goes a step better than that. Six speed manual with one of those little rings around the shift knob that you need to pull up to allow the knob to shift into reverse position. Well, a year or two ago, the crappy plastic coupling between the ring and the armature that triggered reverse broke, so now the ring is useless. To put the car in reverse, I reach down beneath the boot and pull the little switch manually. Even better, the crappy plastic piece on the shift knob that has the gear mapping on it broke off too. So even if someone who knew how to drive manual tried to steal my POS, they wouldn't know how to put it in reverse; they'd have to push it out of wherever with their own legs and the damn thing in neutral. Great for anti-theft. Terrible when I need to bring it in to get new tires though.


how do you park?

/ i'm guessing you're not involved in a lot of parallel parking on crowded streets.
 
2014-01-16 02:06:29 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.


I can drive a 3 on the tree that all the linkages and bushings and stuff are tight and right, but where they flat out havent made them in like 30 years and they havent been common for like 40 years anything with a 3 on the tree thats not been restored is gonna be worn out and sloppy like subby's mom.
 
2014-01-16 02:09:11 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: LeroyBourne: If it's not a manual transmission, it's a deal breaker.  I love telling car salesmen that when they repeatedly try to sell me automatics.

I went to test drive a FR-S and ran into that. The guy I unfortunately got stuck with was the sales manager. He works the floor at that dealership. He couldn't understand why I insisted on a manual. Maybe it was because they only had an automatic on hand but he did look genuinely confused at the concept. I told him that I preferred a manual and that I was looking around for a new sports car. I just got done looking at a couple others and I know what I want. He tells me to hold on for a moment and disappears for 10 minutes.

I was sitting at a table staring out of the front windows and see him pull up out front in a tC. He comes in and tries to get me to take a test drive. "What part of 'I'm looking for a sports car' didn't you understand?" "It's kind of sporty." "... No." and then I left.

So, he was treating me as a walking dollar sign and was trying to get me to leave with something, anything and he couldn't understand why I wanted a stick shift. I've done to this dealer for something else in the past and I got him before. He's just a douche.

The people at Subaru were actually pleasant to deal with and talk to. Fark you, Scion guy.

ladodger34: Funny story though. A few years back I had to get new tires. I go to Costco and my car wasn't in the parking lot. Apparently, the only guy in the shop that knew how to drive a stick was the tire center manager.

A couple of weeks back my tire was losing air pretty quickly so I left work and headed to the nearest tire place. I ended up at a Midas. The tech came back in after I gave him the keys and said that he can't drive stick and asked me to pull it up to the lift myself. And afterwards I had to pull it out of the shop, too.


IMO everyone should know how to drive a manual transmission. The same gos with riding a bicycle and swimming.

/I found out that some friends of mine can't do any of the three so.
// My other friends and I are teaching them .
 
2014-01-16 02:11:40 PM
It's a Boston story, so its not "stick", it's "standard".

Tonic

Bubbler

Packy

GFY.
 
2014-01-16 02:15:57 PM

AteMyBrain: It's a Boston story, so its not "stick", it's "standard".

Tonic

Bubbler

Packy

GFY.


Standard is(well more like was since they havent made them in forever) a 3 on the tree. stick is any manual with a floor shifter, adjusts belt onion.
 
2014-01-16 02:28:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: I had a stick about 10 ago and I sold it.  After 8 years of driving an automatic, I finally got back in a stick last year.  I like it so much more than driving automatic.  I can see why people hate it because it's something else they have to do while driving, but that's exactly why I prefer it.  It is something to do while driving.



I bought my first automatic about 5 years ago. It didn't last 6 months before I sold it.

/nice car otherwise
 
2014-01-16 02:33:24 PM

pute kisses like a man: how do you park?


The car goes into reverse just fine, you just can't pull up on the little ring like you're supposed to. You can reach beneath the boot surrounding the shift knob (don't have to move your hand more than a couple inches, actually) and pull up on the armature directly. Reverse on my car is far left and up; but unless that armature gets pulled, you just end up putting the car in first. Right and down, where a lot of cars have reverse, is sixth.

Anyone halfway competent with manual transmissions would be able to figure it out eventually, I just doubt a thief would have enough give-a-shiat to do so.
 
2014-01-16 03:08:08 PM

Oldiron_79: AteMyBrain: It's a Boston story, so its not "stick", it's "standard".

Tonic

Bubbler

Packy

GFY.

Standard is(well more like was since they havent made them in forever) a 3 on the tree. stick is any manual with a floor shifter, adjusts belt onion.


I wasn't referring to technical specifications, I was referring to regional expressions. (I assumed my brief list would lead the reader to that conclusion) Anyway, in my world, growing up, there was automatic and there was standard.

"Hey....can I borrow ya cah?"
"Dunno...can you drive a standid?"
 
2014-01-16 03:24:17 PM

TV's Vinnie: Or better still fark those sticks and drive an auto-transmission.

Seriously. Why do they still make cars with sticks in the 21st century? May as well have a hand crank sticking from the front bumper to start the car while you're at it.


See, that's one of the cool things about manual transmission, you don't need a crank on the front. You can pop-start that car with a dead battery and be on your way, instead of waiting for roadside assistance.

I could push my old civic and get it started all by myself, guess after 20-30 times it got old, but a new battery would of seriously limited the beer money I had at the time.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:01 PM

Flt209er: pute kisses like a man: how do you park?

The car goes into reverse just fine, you just can't pull up on the little ring like you're supposed to. You can reach beneath the boot surrounding the shift knob (don't have to move your hand more than a couple inches, actually) and pull up on the armature directly. Reverse on my car is far left and up; but unless that armature gets pulled, you just end up putting the car in first. Right and down, where a lot of cars have reverse, is sixth.

Anyone halfway competent with manual transmissions would be able to figure it out eventually, I just doubt a thief would have enough give-a-shiat to do so.


when you said boot, i was thinking this was some british thing, and you had to go in the trunk.  it didn't make sense.
 
2014-01-16 03:47:08 PM

pute kisses like a man: Flt209er: pute kisses like a man: how do you park?

The car goes into reverse just fine, you just can't pull up on the little ring like you're supposed to. You can reach beneath the boot surrounding the shift knob (don't have to move your hand more than a couple inches, actually) and pull up on the armature directly. Reverse on my car is far left and up; but unless that armature gets pulled, you just end up putting the car in first. Right and down, where a lot of cars have reverse, is sixth.

Anyone halfway competent with manual transmissions would be able to figure it out eventually, I just doubt a thief would have enough give-a-shiat to do so.

when you said boot, i was thinking this was some british thing, and you had to go in the trunk.  it didn't make sense.


I had a clapped out early 70's Fiat Spyder back in the day...  And one time while driving the entire stick shift assembly broke off in my hand.  After figuring out exactly how the shift mech function I deduced that I could use a foot long 1/2 inch drive socket extension as a stick shift.  Complete with 32mm socket on top acting as a shift knob.

So when I'd park somewhere with the top down I'd just toss the extension under the seat.  Anybody that could figure out how to get the car into gear was welcome to it.
 
2014-01-16 03:53:21 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: LeroyBourne: If it's not a manual transmission, it's a deal breaker.  I love telling car salesmen that when they repeatedly try to sell me automatics.

I went to test drive a FR-S and ran into that. The guy I unfortunately got stuck with was the sales manager. He works the floor at that dealership. He couldn't understand why I insisted on a manual. Maybe it was because they only had an automatic on hand but he did look genuinely confused at the concept. I told him that I preferred a manual and that I was looking around for a new sports car. I just got done looking at a couple others and I know what I want. He tells me to hold on for a moment and disappears for 10 minutes.

I was sitting at a table staring out of the front windows and see him pull up out front in a tC. He comes in and tries to get me to take a test drive. "What part of 'I'm looking for a sports car' didn't you understand?" "It's kind of sporty." "... No." and then I left.

So, he was treating me as a walking dollar sign and was trying to get me to leave with something, anything and he couldn't understand why I wanted a stick shift. I've done to this dealer for something else in the past and I got him before. He's just a douche.

The people at Subaru were actually pleasant to deal with and talk to. Fark you, Scion guy.


Yep.  I know exactly how you feel.  I think the 'helpful' ones are the ones that mainly drive sticks themselves.  They just know.  And it's super sexy when a girl can and does drive a manual too.  I don't know why, but when a cute girl tells me or I just find out she gains mega points in my book.
 
2014-01-16 04:34:44 PM

pute kisses like a man: i was thinking this was some british thing


Well now, that's just silly
 
2014-01-16 07:09:42 PM

Flt209er:
My car (inadvertently) even goes a step better than that. Six speed manual with one of those little rings around the shift knob that you need to pull up to allow the knob to shift into reverse position. Well, a year or two ago, the crappy plastic coupling between the ring and the armature that triggered reverse broke, so now the ring is useless. To put the car in reverse, I reach down beneath the boot and pull the little switch manually. Even better, the crappy plastic piece on the shift knob that has the gear mapping on it broke off too. So even if someone who knew how to drive manual tried to steal my POS, they wouldn't know how to put it in reverse; they'd have to push it out of wherever with their own legs and the damn thing in neutral. Great for anti-theft. Terrible when I need to bring it in to get new tires though.

I've had the stick shift come off in mid drive.  That was fun.  The linkage was very simply a rounded ball on the end of the shifter rested in a pocket on top of the transmission with the a triangle plate that acted as a pivot point and mounting plate at the same time.  The three small bolts came loose and the shifter simply fell off.  I got pulled over and had to reassemble the shifter the best I could without tools.  Once home, redid the assembly with loctite and properly tightened down.  I was a little worried of it happening again, but the loctite did its job.  I had to loctite a lot of bolts on that first truck, it rattled off a lot of bolts.  The worse was the starter bolts, that was another good thing about a stick.

pute kisses like a man: when you said boot, i was thinking this was some british thing, and you had to go in the trunk.  it didn't make sense.


How silly, if you don't have a boot, your pants could get wet when you drive through mud puddles.

I had a coworker have that problem with his ratty Mustang.  No boot and his pant legs were always wet on rainy days.
 
2014-01-16 07:38:20 PM
Yep.  I know exactly how you feel.  I think the 'helpful' ones are the ones that mainly drive sticks themselves.  They just know.  And it's super sexy when a girl can and does drive a manual too.  I don't know why, but when a cute girl tells me or I just find out she gains mega points in my book.

Newsletter, please.

/ most helpful car salesman I ever met knew how to drive stick
// Girl who does
/// I live in the land of ice and snow - can't tell you how many times downshifting has saved my butt
 
2014-01-16 08:49:53 PM

pute kisses like a man: Pants full of macaroni!!: If you cannot drive a stick, you have no worth as a human being and should be shot.

/just gettin' that outta the way
//now to pop up some popcorn

i used to not know how to drive a stick.  then my car went underwater and I had to learn how to drive my wife's car (a manual transmission).  it was hell.  but, I learned.

/ i still do not see the attraction.  after several years of exclusively driving a stick, it still sucks.  i guess the manual option was cheaper and it gets better gas mileage.  so, there is that.  otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.


There's also better control on hazardous roads. ie ice and snow. If you skid in the rain, push the clutch and it'll catch. Harder to do in an auto.
 
2014-01-16 09:57:18 PM

SilentStars: /// I live in the land of ice and snow - can't tell you how many times downshifting has saved my butt


I learned that real fast during the first snowstorm. I hadn't been driving the truck in the winter, and the first time I was in a storm and needed to slow down fast, I did the thing I was used to doing--putting on the brakes. That didn't work out so well, since my tires are bald. I figured out really quickly that downshifting worked a lot better. Whole different style of winter driving. And I hate, hate, hate driving in the snow anymore.

My truck is so old I have to get out and turn the hubs for 4-wheel drive too.
 
2014-01-16 11:00:07 PM

cryinoutloud: My truck is so old I have to get out and turn the hubs for 4-wheel drive too.


Me too, but I prefer it that way. The auto hubs for the later years for mine are junk and many people switch to manual. They're also simpler to service.
 
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