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2014-01-16 10:43:21 AM  
If you cannot drive a stick, you have no worth as a human being and should be shot.

/just gettin' that outta the way
//now to pop up some popcorn
 
2014-01-16 10:44:59 AM  
Farking kids these days......back in MY day....

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2014-01-16 10:45:03 AM  
Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device
 
2014-01-16 10:45:57 AM  
Drive a stick? Is that a euphemism for giving a man a handjob?

/DRTFA
 
2014-01-16 10:46:45 AM  
Yay! Tranny tread!
 
2014-01-16 10:46:57 AM  
They should start making all cars with manual transmission again. At least for young/first time drivers.

Hard to text and shift at the same time.
 
2014-01-16 10:47:30 AM  
Just make sure you're double clutchin' and not granny shifting otherwise you never had your car.
 
2014-01-16 10:47:31 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: If you cannot drive a stick, you have no worth as a human being and should be shot.

/just gettin' that outta the way
//now to pop up some popcorn


i used to not know how to drive a stick.  then my car went underwater and I had to learn how to drive my wife's car (a manual transmission).  it was hell.  but, I learned.

/ i still do not see the attraction.  after several years of exclusively driving a stick, it still sucks.  i guess the manual option was cheaper and it gets better gas mileage.  so, there is that.  otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.
 
2014-01-16 10:47:38 AM  
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2014-01-16 10:50:43 AM  

Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device


Three on the tree.
 
2014-01-16 10:52:34 AM  
I bought my CTS-V with automatic because of the part of my commute that is stop and go traffic. It has paddle shifters so I don't really mind. The weekend car has a stick shift though.
 
2014-01-16 10:54:50 AM  
This sounds about right for Springfield.
 
2014-01-16 10:56:48 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.


I think potential thieves who can not drive stick would destroy a three on the tree trying to put it into "Drive." They would be easy to catch though.
 
2014-01-16 10:58:37 AM  

pute kisses like a man: / i still do not see the attraction. after several years of exclusively driving a stick, it still sucks. i guess the manual option was cheaper and it gets better gas mileage. so, there is that. otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.


The newer vehicles with the dual-clutch 6-speed auto (note-no torque converter) is narrowing the fuel consumtion gap - they actually have slightly better mileage that an identical unit with the 5-speed manual.
 
2014-01-16 10:58:37 AM  

pute kisses like a man: otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.


It may shock you, but there are some people who enjoy driving. I'm not talking about enjoying sitting in stop and go traffic, but taking a convertible out on a windy rural road for a  spirited drive is highly entertaining and satisfying.
 
2014-01-16 10:59:33 AM  
The same advice applies to people appearing on The Amazing Race.
 
2014-01-16 11:00:58 AM  
I had a stick about 10 ago and I sold it.  After 8 years of driving an automatic, I finally got back in a stick last year.  I like it so much more than driving automatic.  I can see why people hate it because it's something else they have to do while driving, but that's exactly why I prefer it.  It is something to do while driving.
 
2014-01-16 11:03:50 AM  

Godscrack: They should start making all cars with manual transmission again. At least for young/first time drivers.

Hard to text and shift at the same time.


I'm not entirely opposed.  Or, at least I think driver's ed should be taught in a manual transmission car to level the playing field a bit.  And I say this as someone who doesn't know how and has never touched a clutch pedal (in as much as every 'friend' I've ever asked has said, "oh, hell no I'm not teaching anyone").

Unfortunately, that would add 1-2 weeks to drivers ed, which would cost money, so it doesn't happen.
 
2014-01-16 11:04:24 AM  

Tom_Slick: Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.

I think potential thieves who can not drive stick would destroy a three on the tree trying to put it into "Drive." They would be easy to catch though.


Three on the tree is a manual transmission. No "drive," just first, second, third, and reverse. Haven't seen one in ages.
 
2014-01-16 11:11:35 AM  

new_york_monty: Tom_Slick: Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.

I think potential thieves who can not drive stick would destroy a three on the tree trying to put it into "Drive." They would be easy to catch though.

Three on the tree is a manual transmission. No "drive," just first, second, third, and reverse. Haven't seen one in ages.


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2014-01-16 11:13:26 AM  

pute kisses like a man: / i still do not see the attraction. after several years of exclusively driving a stick, it still sucks. i guess the manual option was cheaper and it gets better gas mileage. so, there is that. otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.


You prefer to just lay there don't you?

My apologies to the wife.
 
2014-01-16 11:13:35 AM  

new_york_monty: Tom_Slick: Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.

I think potential thieves who can not drive stick would destroy a three on the tree trying to put it into "Drive." They would be easy to catch though.

Three on the tree is a manual transmission. No "drive," just first, second, third, and reverse. Haven't seen one in ages.


Yes I know, but you see thieves who can't drive stick wouldn't know such a thing so they would grind the gears trying to find "Drive" and destroy the transmission.
 
2014-01-16 11:19:51 AM  
Manual transmission - The best anti-theft device you can buy.

2 out of 3 of my current cars are stick shift. 5 out of 6 of all the cars I've owned have been stick. I also have 3 motorcycles at the moment which are all manual (no Hondamatic or scooters). It's simply more fun. And I have better control in bad weather with a stick.

This winter I've been using a short wheelbase 4x4 with aggressive tires and a 5 speed. It's been fun and I don't get stuck.

Godscrack: Hard to text and shift at the same time.


No it's not. It's not difficult to eat/text/whatever when driving a manual transmission.
 
2014-01-16 11:20:24 AM  
Or better still fark those sticks and drive an auto-transmission.

Seriously. Why do they still make cars with sticks in the 21st century? May as well have a hand crank sticking from the front bumper to start the car while you're at it.
 
2014-01-16 11:22:15 AM  

Tom_Slick: new_york_monty: Tom_Slick: Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.

I think potential thieves who can not drive stick would destroy a three on the tree trying to put it into "Drive." They would be easy to catch though.

Three on the tree is a manual transmission. No "drive," just first, second, third, and reverse. Haven't seen one in ages.

Yes I know, but you see thieves who can't drive stick wouldn't know such a thing so they would grind the gears trying to find "Drive" and destroy the transmission.


Fair enough. These days, it just wouldn't surprise me if half the people who can drive a stick don't know what a "three on the tree" was.
 
2014-01-16 11:23:49 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Manual transmission - The best anti-theft device you can buy.

2 out of 3 of my current cars are stick shift. 5 out of 6 of all the cars I've owned have been stick. I also have 3 motorcycles at the moment which are all manual (no Hondamatic or scooters). It's simply more fun. And I have better control in bad weather with a stick.

This winter I've been using a short wheelbase 4x4 with aggressive tires and a 5 speed. It's been fun and I don't get stuck.

Godscrack: Hard to text and shift at the same time.

No it's not. It's not difficult to eat/text/whatever when driving a manual transmission.


I've taken a phone call, smoked a cigarette, and drank a beer at the same time all while driving stick in traffic.  I don't do that anymore though.  I have bluetooth in this car and I no longer smoke.
 
2014-01-16 11:30:17 AM  
I have to jump in on this topic once again.  I enjoy some driving.   A weekend drive on moderately hilly curvy roads in decent weather is nice.   I can see liking a manual transmission for this so you can choose when to downshift coming out of curves and going up hills.  This would make driving the average small to mid-sized sedan or coupe moderately entertaining as it would improve handling (yes if you are driving on the edge of your traction knowing when a shift will occur exactly instead of depending on some cheap slush box is nice.) and responsiveness.  For most of the country on long trips it is kinda pointless.  The ability to shift at whim on the great flat emptiness is only useful for passing and since its all good sight lines and long straight loads anyway....  It can be handy for slowing/stopping on icy roads but not that big of a deal.  It is annoying as hell in stop and go traffic, drive-throughs, and the 25 pointless stoplights between work and home.

It is also a giant pain in my ass on a few small sports coupes, rephrase that pain in my knee.  I'm taller and with the factory clutch my knee when the foot is on the dummy pedal is between the steering wheel and the door panel, rubbing on both, I get to catch on both when I move my leg up slightly and over to shift.  The cutest part is I can avoid the getting my knee caught on the steering wheel if I just ride the clutch slightly, Its almost like they designed the car so that anyone over about 6'2" is going to be replacing the clutch every 15,000 miles or so.
 
2014-01-16 11:31:32 AM  

Tom_Slick: Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.

I think potential thieves who can not drive stick would destroy a three on the tree trying to put it into "Drive." They would be easy to catch though.


Just taught the Captain's Wife to drive a three-on-the-tree with overdrive. We only own standards, no automatics.

Day_Old_Dutchie: The newer vehicles with the dual-clutch 6-speed auto (note-no torque converter) is narrowing the fuel consumtion gap - they actually have slightly better mileage that an identical unit with the 5-speed manual.


Based on reports I've seen of the Volkswagen DSGs, it can vary based on the skill of the driver. The DSG shows better in EPA tests. You can now get a six speed traditional manual transmission from many manufacturers as well.
 
2014-01-16 11:32:27 AM  

pute kisses like a man: / i still do not see the attraction. after several years of exclusively driving a stick, it still sucks. i guess the manual option was cheaper and it gets better gas mileage. so, there is that. otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.


You should stick to riding the bus. Cars are just too complicated for your feeble little mind.
 
2014-01-16 11:33:20 AM  
I'm not that old, and about half of us were driving manual transmissions in high school(90s). Of course I was in a poor rural area, so that may have had something to do with it. When I went to trucking school in MO, all the Chicago city kids were confused by the clutch and especially by double-clutching.

It makes me a little sad that driving stick is now considered driving expert mode or something.
 
2014-01-16 11:34:16 AM  
The performance gap between automatics and manuals was nullified years ago.  Any modern automatic shifts as fast or faster than a human.   The new Dual-Clutch transmissions shift far faster than any human -- in a few milliseconds. (The average human shifts a manual in about 500ms)  There is no "logical" reason to buy a manual transmission at all.  Some performance car companies don't offer even manuals anymore -- only dual-clutch automatics.

That said, I LIKE manual shifting. I like the feel of being one with the car -- a feeling I don't get with a automatic -- even with paddle shifters.

I have three cars with three different types of transmissions.
An old-school Mustang convertible with a 3 speed auto, a modern sport sedan with a CVT and Paddle Shifters (the combination is a weird concept) and a  450hp muscle car with 6-speed manual.  I still like themanual best.
 
2014-01-16 11:34:31 AM  
DNRTA...  But I will comment anyway...

I learned how to drive stick when I was 16.  I had my NJ permit.  I was out in Cinncinatti, OH visiting my father.  He basically said, "I still have a NJ license, so you can drive with me.  We're taking the truck."  The truck was a late 70's F150.  The clutch was so hard to press down, I had to put nearly all of my weight on it.  To make matters worse, Cincinnatti is full of hills.  Hills with traffic lights.
Anyone who's ever driven manual, knows that one big trick is to hold the vehicle without rolling back.  This takes some practice on something easy to drive.  At one light, I had to sit through 3 light changes before I could do it without stalling.  My father just sat there and said, "I don't care how pissed off the people behind you are.  You have to do this."

By then, I was pretty good with manual transmissions...
 
2014-01-16 11:35:04 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Or better still fark those sticks and drive an auto-transmission.

Seriously. Why do they still make cars with sticks in the 21st century? May as well have a hand crank sticking from the front bumper to start the car while you're at it.


You sound female.
 
2014-01-16 11:38:00 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Or better still fark those sticks and drive an auto-transmission.

Seriously. Why do they still make cars with sticks in the 21st century? May as well have a hand crank sticking from the front bumper to start the car while you're at it.


Because some of us like the fun and control that comes from driving a manual, plus have the mental and physical ability to handle it.

Due to a recent accident, I'm currently driving a rental car. A decently selling American sedan. Of all the things I hate about the car, the transmission is at the top of the list. Limited to no ability to make it downshift, so I have to ride the brakes while going downhill. Seemingly random shifts when going around corners, which unexpectedly changes the weight balance and acceleration, making it trickier to handle because the line changes. Plus, in slippery conditions, there are times when shifting will result in a lack of traction, while carrying along at low RPM will get you through things just fine.

I suppose if you don't really like driving, and being lazy is a priority, automatics are for you.
 
2014-01-16 11:40:48 AM  
My commute, thankfully, doesn't involve interstates or heavy traffic (early morning before the stupidity starts). So seven years ago I bought a used manual Honda Civic that had been a lot queen. No one wanted it as here in ATL traffic sucks balls. Got it cheap. While it ain't setting any land speed records I do dig the interaction with the car a stick affords. Plus I'm bequeathing it to my soon-to-be driving son as the lil' bastards he goes to school with don't drive sticks.

Now IF I had an Lawerenceville to Hampton commute (my ATL Farkers know what that's about) like my SIL use to, oh most definitely I'd be in an automatic. I don't have the aversion that some Farkers have to autos. Drive what you need. Shrugs.
 
2014-01-16 11:44:35 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Or better still fark those sticks and drive an auto-transmission.

Seriously. Why do they still make cars with sticks in the 21st century? May as well have a hand crank sticking from the front bumper to start the car while you're at it.


You sound... like someone who locks their breaks, fishtails and spins out in the snow.
 
2014-01-16 11:46:23 AM  

pute kisses like a man: Pants full of macaroni!!: If you cannot drive a stick, you have no worth as a human being and should be shot.

/just gettin' that outta the way
//now to pop up some popcorn

i used to not know how to drive a stick.  then my car went underwater and I had to learn how to drive my wife's car (a manual transmission).  it was hell.  but, I learned.

/ i still do not see the attraction.  after several years of exclusively driving a stick, it still sucks.  i guess the manual option was cheaper and it gets better gas mileage.  so, there is that.  otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.


If you don't understand how driving a stick forces you to be more aware and attentive while driving, you are a bad driver.
 
2014-01-16 11:59:23 AM  
Had a '52 Chrysler Saratoga. The transmission was such that you had to use the clutch to start but didn't have to use it when stopping unless you took it out of gear. Was probably state of the art for 52.

/Driver's ed had the three on a tree Dodge station wagon. Instructor had a brake on the passenger side. Lawn, off it and all that.
 
2014-01-16 12:00:28 PM  
In the future, electric cars won't have manual transmissions.

Better learn to embrace the change, Stickers.
 
2014-01-16 12:02:49 PM  
If it's not a manual transmission, it's a deal breaker.  I love telling car salesmen that when they repeatedly try to sell me automatics.
 
2014-01-16 12:05:05 PM  

Lawnchair: Godscrack: They should start making all cars with manual transmission again. At least for young/first time drivers.

Hard to text and shift at the same time.

I'm not entirely opposed.  Or, at least I think driver's ed should be taught in a manual transmission car to level the playing field a bit.  And I say this as someone who doesn't know how and has never touched a clutch pedal (in as much as every 'friend' I've ever asked has said, "oh, hell no I'm not teaching anyone").

Unfortunately, that would add 1-2 weeks to drivers ed, which would cost money, so it doesn't happen.


I am proud to have taught my son and two of his friends how to use a manual transmission - the last one came to the house at noon one day, announced: "I got a job as a valet parker, can you teach me, too?" I said yes, not knowing the job started that day at 6 pm.
They all learned - even if my car never recovered back to normal.
 
2014-01-16 12:09:23 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: The newer vehicles with the dual-clutch 6-speed auto (note-no torque converter) is narrowing the fuel consumtion gap - they actually have slightly better mileage that an identical unit with the 5-speed manual.


grinding_journalist: It may shock you, but there are some people who enjoy driving. I'm not talking about enjoying sitting in stop and go traffic, but taking a convertible out on a windy rural road for a  spirited drive is highly entertaining and satisfying.


to satisfy either of these comments would require buying a new car.  not interested.  and, my opinion that driving is not fun in no way upsets your opinion that driving is fun.  glad you enjoy the commute.  would rather teleport.

MindStalker: You prefer to just lay there don't you?

My apologies to the wife.


because that's relevant.

umad: You should stick to riding the bus. Cars are just too complicated for your feeble little mind.


Hey, i like public transportation.  no parking hassles.  one less obstruction (though, public transportation has its own obstructions, so you should consider your priorities).  I made no comment on complication.  I made a comment on pleasure.

MLWS: If you don't understand how driving a stick forces you to be more aware and attentive while driving, you are a bad driver.


I made no comment on awareness or attentiveness. I would argue that driving a manual forces a minimum level of attentiveness, but that does not mean a person driving an automatic is somehow precluded from being as attentive.
 
2014-01-16 12:14:43 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Day_Old_Dutchie: The newer vehicles with the dual-clutch 6-speed auto (note-no torque converter) is narrowing the fuel consumtion gap - they actually have slightly better mileage that an identical unit with the 5-speed manual.

grinding_journalist: It may shock you, but there are some people who enjoy driving. I'm not talking about enjoying sitting in stop and go traffic, but taking a convertible out on a windy rural road for a  spirited drive is highly entertaining and satisfying.

to satisfy either of these comments would require buying a new car.  not interested.  and, my opinion that driving is not fun in no way upsets your opinion that driving is fun.  glad you enjoy the commute.  would rather teleport.

MindStalker: You prefer to just lay there don't you?

My apologies to the wife.

because that's relevant.

umad: You should stick to riding the bus. Cars are just too complicated for your feeble little mind.

Hey, i like public transportation.  no parking hassles.  one less obstruction (though, public transportation has its own obstructions, so you should consider your priorities).  I made no comment on complication.  I made a comment on pleasure.

MLWS: If you don't understand how driving a stick forces you to be more aware and attentive while driving, you are a bad driver.

I made no comment on awareness or attentiveness. I would argue that driving a manual forces a minimum level of attentiveness, but that does not mean a person driving an automatic is somehow precluded from being as attentive.


you could have just replied "I am a man who doesn't like to drive" - nothing wrong with that - it is reportedly common among younger people
 
2014-01-16 12:15:12 PM  

Lawnchair: (in as much as every 'friend' I've ever asked has said, "oh, hell no I'm not teaching anyone").


I couldn't find anyone willing to teach me a stick either, and no drivers ed school offered classes on a manual.  So I bought a Mustang with an automatic, which apparently is a tragedy per my dad.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:59 PM  
I could have gotten my car with an automatic, but the mileage was about 5 MPG worse than the manual. With my commute, that comes out to an extra day of driving before I have to fill up.
 
2014-01-16 12:19:48 PM  
Auto vs. Manual, who gives a fark.

The REAL enemy is CVTs. We need to be raging on those evil slushy bastards! 

/drove a Nissan and Dodge with a CVT. Sucked ass.
//but then it was a Nissan and a Dodge so there's that.
 
2014-01-16 12:22:38 PM  

Detinwolf: Lawnchair: (in as much as every 'friend' I've ever asked has said, "oh, hell no I'm not teaching anyone").

I couldn't find anyone willing to teach me a stick either, and no drivers ed school offered classes on a manual.  So I bought a Mustang with an automatic, which apparently is a tragedy per my dad.


A lot of performance driving schools at racetracks will teach people to drive stick. I try to teach at least one person on my car when the clutch just starts to slip, after I've ordered replacement parts but before installing them. I'll be teaching my gf this year when the snow melts and I get the summer rubber back on my car, even though this clutch has yet to start slipping.
 
2014-01-16 12:23:24 PM  
I drive race cars regularly and I still think dealing with the hassle of a manual transmission/clutch in a four-wheeled vehicle driven on public roads is just dumb.

/motorcycles get a pass
 
2014-01-16 12:30:48 PM  

moike: I drive race cars regularly and I still think dealing with the hassle of a manual transmission/clutch in a four-wheeled vehicle driven on public roads is just dumb.

/motorcycles get a pass


Where I live, traffic isn't really a thing. My 12 mile commute takes 10 minutes. And it's all fun mountain roads. There's no hassle with a manual transmission around here and it helps when snow blankets the roads for 5 months. I get why people don't want them in gridlocked areas, though I did drive a manual on Long Island when I lived there, too.
 
2014-01-16 12:38:22 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Manual transmission - The best anti-theft device you can buy.


In my 20's I lived in a crappy neighborhood and after the 4th time stolen my car with an automatic transmission was totaled. I bought a Toyota pickup truck with a stick as a replacement and never had a problem after that. They tried a number of time and never succeeded.
 
2014-01-16 12:58:44 PM  
My '04 Civic has a manual transmission. Back when I bought it, I had no intention of getting one with a stick but I test drove both and liked mine better. The cost was the same and the mileage wasn't that different. It just ended up being a preference thing.

Funny story though. A few years back I had to get new tires. I go to Costco and my car wasn't in the parking lot. Apparently, the only guy in the shop that knew how to drive a stick was the tire center manager.
 
2014-01-16 01:02:44 PM  

Lawnchair: I'm not entirely opposed. Or, at least I think driver's ed should be taught in a manual transmission car to level the playing field a bit. And I say this as someone who doesn't know how and has never touched a clutch pedal (in as much as every 'friend' I've ever asked has said, "oh, hell no I'm not teaching anyone").

Unfortunately, that would add 1-2 weeks

hours to drivers ed, which would cost money, so it doesn't happen.

I've taught more than a few friends to drive a manual... If you can't learn it in an afternoon, you shouldn't be driving. Hell, you probably shouldn't be walking unsupervised.

We have a couple of quads and dirt bikes that are all manuals. My 12 year old's friends have all learned to operate them in under an hour.
 
2014-01-16 01:04:47 PM  
Years ago a kid stole my manual transmission car.  I found out later that his girlfriend wanted to teach him how to drive a stick shift and they used my car to do it. I got my car back about a week later but I was glad I could contribute to the education of our youth.
 
2014-01-16 01:06:12 PM  

new_york_monty: moike: I drive race cars regularly and I still think dealing with the hassle of a manual transmission/clutch in a four-wheeled vehicle driven on public roads is just dumb.

/motorcycles get a pass

Where I live, traffic isn't really a thing. My 12 mile commute takes 10 minutes. And it's all fun mountain roads. There's no hassle with a manual transmission around here and it helps when snow blankets the roads for 5 months. I get why people don't want them in gridlocked areas, though I did drive a manual on Long Island when I lived there, too.


I'll give you that one...

When I lived in the Santa Cruz mountains my primary commute to work was all twisties.  I rode the motorcycle every day with the exception of days where the weather was just too crappy to take the risk.  And on those days I just hopped in the Outback and pretended I was a a Finnish rallycross champion.
 
2014-01-16 01:30:42 PM  
I tried to teach a young guy, just out of the Marines, how to drive our stick-shift work truck. He was really embarrassed that he didn't know how to do it first try, but I told him it wasn't a big deal. Young people anymore, if they can drive a stick at all, think that every one of them is exactly the same, and that if they can master one, the others should feel just like that. No, you have to adjust to each vehicle.

I was the only person on our work crew who could drive the old truck.
 
2014-01-16 01:34:06 PM  

LeroyBourne: If it's not a manual transmission, it's a deal breaker.  I love telling car salesmen that when they repeatedly try to sell me automatics.


I went to test drive a FR-S and ran into that. The guy I unfortunately got stuck with was the sales manager. He works the floor at that dealership. He couldn't understand why I insisted on a manual. Maybe it was because they only had an automatic on hand but he did look genuinely confused at the concept. I told him that I preferred a manual and that I was looking around for a new sports car. I just got done looking at a couple others and I know what I want. He tells me to hold on for a moment and disappears for 10 minutes.

I was sitting at a table staring out of the front windows and see him pull up out front in a tC. He comes in and tries to get me to take a test drive. "What part of 'I'm looking for a sports car' didn't you understand?" "It's kind of sporty." "... No." and then I left.

So, he was treating me as a walking dollar sign and was trying to get me to leave with something, anything and he couldn't understand why I wanted a stick shift. I've done to this dealer for something else in the past and I got him before. He's just a douche.

The people at Subaru were actually pleasant to deal with and talk to. Fark you, Scion guy.

ladodger34: Funny story though. A few years back I had to get new tires. I go to Costco and my car wasn't in the parking lot. Apparently, the only guy in the shop that knew how to drive a stick was the tire center manager.


A couple of weeks back my tire was losing air pretty quickly so I left work and headed to the nearest tire place. I ended up at a Midas. The tech came back in after I gave him the keys and said that he can't drive stick and asked me to pull it up to the lift myself. And afterwards I had to pull it out of the shop, too.
 
2014-01-16 01:51:52 PM  

mjohnson71: CtrlAltDestroy: Manual transmission - The best anti-theft device you can buy.

In my 20's I lived in a crappy neighborhood and after the 4th time stolen my car with an automatic transmission was totaled. I bought a Toyota pickup truck with a stick as a replacement and never had a problem after that. They tried a number of time and never succeeded.


My car (inadvertently) even goes a step better than that. Six speed manual with one of those little rings around the shift knob that you need to pull up to allow the knob to shift into reverse position. Well, a year or two ago, the crappy plastic coupling between the ring and the armature that triggered reverse broke, so now the ring is useless. To put the car in reverse, I reach down beneath the boot and pull the little switch manually. Even better, the crappy plastic piece on the shift knob that has the gear mapping on it broke off too. So even if someone who knew how to drive manual tried to steal my POS, they wouldn't know how to put it in reverse; they'd have to push it out of wherever with their own legs and the damn thing in neutral. Great for anti-theft. Terrible when I need to bring it in to get new tires though.
 
2014-01-16 01:57:11 PM  
There have been no arrests.

So............... they won, then?
 
2014-01-16 02:00:13 PM  

pute kisses like a man: I made no comment on complication. I made a comment on pleasure.


In my experience, people who find a manual unpleasurable are the types of morons who think you need to keep it in gear and stand on both the clutch and brake through every stop light. If you don't know how to work it so that it isn't a pain, then it is too complicated for you. This is the very reason they invented the automatic, and the reason that people like yourself prefer them.
 
2014-01-16 02:02:45 PM  

Flt209er: mjohnson71: CtrlAltDestroy: Manual transmission - The best anti-theft device you can buy.

In my 20's I lived in a crappy neighborhood and after the 4th time stolen my car with an automatic transmission was totaled. I bought a Toyota pickup truck with a stick as a replacement and never had a problem after that. They tried a number of time and never succeeded.

My car (inadvertently) even goes a step better than that. Six speed manual with one of those little rings around the shift knob that you need to pull up to allow the knob to shift into reverse position. Well, a year or two ago, the crappy plastic coupling between the ring and the armature that triggered reverse broke, so now the ring is useless. To put the car in reverse, I reach down beneath the boot and pull the little switch manually. Even better, the crappy plastic piece on the shift knob that has the gear mapping on it broke off too. So even if someone who knew how to drive manual tried to steal my POS, they wouldn't know how to put it in reverse; they'd have to push it out of wherever with their own legs and the damn thing in neutral. Great for anti-theft. Terrible when I need to bring it in to get new tires though.


how do you park?

/ i'm guessing you're not involved in a lot of parallel parking on crowded streets.
 
2014-01-16 02:06:29 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Tom_Slick: Ultimate Factory installed anti-theft device

Three on the tree.


I can drive a 3 on the tree that all the linkages and bushings and stuff are tight and right, but where they flat out havent made them in like 30 years and they havent been common for like 40 years anything with a 3 on the tree thats not been restored is gonna be worn out and sloppy like subby's mom.
 
2014-01-16 02:09:11 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: LeroyBourne: If it's not a manual transmission, it's a deal breaker.  I love telling car salesmen that when they repeatedly try to sell me automatics.

I went to test drive a FR-S and ran into that. The guy I unfortunately got stuck with was the sales manager. He works the floor at that dealership. He couldn't understand why I insisted on a manual. Maybe it was because they only had an automatic on hand but he did look genuinely confused at the concept. I told him that I preferred a manual and that I was looking around for a new sports car. I just got done looking at a couple others and I know what I want. He tells me to hold on for a moment and disappears for 10 minutes.

I was sitting at a table staring out of the front windows and see him pull up out front in a tC. He comes in and tries to get me to take a test drive. "What part of 'I'm looking for a sports car' didn't you understand?" "It's kind of sporty." "... No." and then I left.

So, he was treating me as a walking dollar sign and was trying to get me to leave with something, anything and he couldn't understand why I wanted a stick shift. I've done to this dealer for something else in the past and I got him before. He's just a douche.

The people at Subaru were actually pleasant to deal with and talk to. Fark you, Scion guy.

ladodger34: Funny story though. A few years back I had to get new tires. I go to Costco and my car wasn't in the parking lot. Apparently, the only guy in the shop that knew how to drive a stick was the tire center manager.

A couple of weeks back my tire was losing air pretty quickly so I left work and headed to the nearest tire place. I ended up at a Midas. The tech came back in after I gave him the keys and said that he can't drive stick and asked me to pull it up to the lift myself. And afterwards I had to pull it out of the shop, too.


IMO everyone should know how to drive a manual transmission. The same gos with riding a bicycle and swimming.

/I found out that some friends of mine can't do any of the three so.
// My other friends and I are teaching them .
 
2014-01-16 02:11:40 PM  
It's a Boston story, so its not "stick", it's "standard".

Tonic

Bubbler

Packy

GFY.
 
2014-01-16 02:15:57 PM  

AteMyBrain: It's a Boston story, so its not "stick", it's "standard".

Tonic

Bubbler

Packy

GFY.


Standard is(well more like was since they havent made them in forever) a 3 on the tree. stick is any manual with a floor shifter, adjusts belt onion.
 
2014-01-16 02:28:30 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I had a stick about 10 ago and I sold it.  After 8 years of driving an automatic, I finally got back in a stick last year.  I like it so much more than driving automatic.  I can see why people hate it because it's something else they have to do while driving, but that's exactly why I prefer it.  It is something to do while driving.



I bought my first automatic about 5 years ago. It didn't last 6 months before I sold it.

/nice car otherwise
 
2014-01-16 02:33:24 PM  

pute kisses like a man: how do you park?


The car goes into reverse just fine, you just can't pull up on the little ring like you're supposed to. You can reach beneath the boot surrounding the shift knob (don't have to move your hand more than a couple inches, actually) and pull up on the armature directly. Reverse on my car is far left and up; but unless that armature gets pulled, you just end up putting the car in first. Right and down, where a lot of cars have reverse, is sixth.

Anyone halfway competent with manual transmissions would be able to figure it out eventually, I just doubt a thief would have enough give-a-shiat to do so.
 
2014-01-16 03:08:08 PM  

Oldiron_79: AteMyBrain: It's a Boston story, so its not "stick", it's "standard".

Tonic

Bubbler

Packy

GFY.

Standard is(well more like was since they havent made them in forever) a 3 on the tree. stick is any manual with a floor shifter, adjusts belt onion.


I wasn't referring to technical specifications, I was referring to regional expressions. (I assumed my brief list would lead the reader to that conclusion) Anyway, in my world, growing up, there was automatic and there was standard.

"Hey....can I borrow ya cah?"
"Dunno...can you drive a standid?"
 
2014-01-16 03:24:17 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Or better still fark those sticks and drive an auto-transmission.

Seriously. Why do they still make cars with sticks in the 21st century? May as well have a hand crank sticking from the front bumper to start the car while you're at it.


See, that's one of the cool things about manual transmission, you don't need a crank on the front. You can pop-start that car with a dead battery and be on your way, instead of waiting for roadside assistance.

I could push my old civic and get it started all by myself, guess after 20-30 times it got old, but a new battery would of seriously limited the beer money I had at the time.
 
2014-01-16 03:40:01 PM  

Flt209er: pute kisses like a man: how do you park?

The car goes into reverse just fine, you just can't pull up on the little ring like you're supposed to. You can reach beneath the boot surrounding the shift knob (don't have to move your hand more than a couple inches, actually) and pull up on the armature directly. Reverse on my car is far left and up; but unless that armature gets pulled, you just end up putting the car in first. Right and down, where a lot of cars have reverse, is sixth.

Anyone halfway competent with manual transmissions would be able to figure it out eventually, I just doubt a thief would have enough give-a-shiat to do so.


when you said boot, i was thinking this was some british thing, and you had to go in the trunk.  it didn't make sense.
 
2014-01-16 03:47:08 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Flt209er: pute kisses like a man: how do you park?

The car goes into reverse just fine, you just can't pull up on the little ring like you're supposed to. You can reach beneath the boot surrounding the shift knob (don't have to move your hand more than a couple inches, actually) and pull up on the armature directly. Reverse on my car is far left and up; but unless that armature gets pulled, you just end up putting the car in first. Right and down, where a lot of cars have reverse, is sixth.

Anyone halfway competent with manual transmissions would be able to figure it out eventually, I just doubt a thief would have enough give-a-shiat to do so.

when you said boot, i was thinking this was some british thing, and you had to go in the trunk.  it didn't make sense.


I had a clapped out early 70's Fiat Spyder back in the day...  And one time while driving the entire stick shift assembly broke off in my hand.  After figuring out exactly how the shift mech function I deduced that I could use a foot long 1/2 inch drive socket extension as a stick shift.  Complete with 32mm socket on top acting as a shift knob.

So when I'd park somewhere with the top down I'd just toss the extension under the seat.  Anybody that could figure out how to get the car into gear was welcome to it.
 
2014-01-16 03:53:21 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: LeroyBourne: If it's not a manual transmission, it's a deal breaker.  I love telling car salesmen that when they repeatedly try to sell me automatics.

I went to test drive a FR-S and ran into that. The guy I unfortunately got stuck with was the sales manager. He works the floor at that dealership. He couldn't understand why I insisted on a manual. Maybe it was because they only had an automatic on hand but he did look genuinely confused at the concept. I told him that I preferred a manual and that I was looking around for a new sports car. I just got done looking at a couple others and I know what I want. He tells me to hold on for a moment and disappears for 10 minutes.

I was sitting at a table staring out of the front windows and see him pull up out front in a tC. He comes in and tries to get me to take a test drive. "What part of 'I'm looking for a sports car' didn't you understand?" "It's kind of sporty." "... No." and then I left.

So, he was treating me as a walking dollar sign and was trying to get me to leave with something, anything and he couldn't understand why I wanted a stick shift. I've done to this dealer for something else in the past and I got him before. He's just a douche.

The people at Subaru were actually pleasant to deal with and talk to. Fark you, Scion guy.


Yep.  I know exactly how you feel.  I think the 'helpful' ones are the ones that mainly drive sticks themselves.  They just know.  And it's super sexy when a girl can and does drive a manual too.  I don't know why, but when a cute girl tells me or I just find out she gains mega points in my book.
 
2014-01-16 04:34:44 PM  

pute kisses like a man: i was thinking this was some british thing


Well now, that's just silly
 
2014-01-16 07:09:42 PM  

Flt209er:
My car (inadvertently) even goes a step better than that. Six speed manual with one of those little rings around the shift knob that you need to pull up to allow the knob to shift into reverse position. Well, a year or two ago, the crappy plastic coupling between the ring and the armature that triggered reverse broke, so now the ring is useless. To put the car in reverse, I reach down beneath the boot and pull the little switch manually. Even better, the crappy plastic piece on the shift knob that has the gear mapping on it broke off too. So even if someone who knew how to drive manual tried to steal my POS, they wouldn't know how to put it in reverse; they'd have to push it out of wherever with their own legs and the damn thing in neutral. Great for anti-theft. Terrible when I need to bring it in to get new tires though.

I've had the stick shift come off in mid drive.  That was fun.  The linkage was very simply a rounded ball on the end of the shifter rested in a pocket on top of the transmission with the a triangle plate that acted as a pivot point and mounting plate at the same time.  The three small bolts came loose and the shifter simply fell off.  I got pulled over and had to reassemble the shifter the best I could without tools.  Once home, redid the assembly with loctite and properly tightened down.  I was a little worried of it happening again, but the loctite did its job.  I had to loctite a lot of bolts on that first truck, it rattled off a lot of bolts.  The worse was the starter bolts, that was another good thing about a stick.

pute kisses like a man: when you said boot, i was thinking this was some british thing, and you had to go in the trunk.  it didn't make sense.


How silly, if you don't have a boot, your pants could get wet when you drive through mud puddles.

I had a coworker have that problem with his ratty Mustang.  No boot and his pant legs were always wet on rainy days.
 
2014-01-16 07:38:20 PM  
Yep.  I know exactly how you feel.  I think the 'helpful' ones are the ones that mainly drive sticks themselves.  They just know.  And it's super sexy when a girl can and does drive a manual too.  I don't know why, but when a cute girl tells me or I just find out she gains mega points in my book.

Newsletter, please.

/ most helpful car salesman I ever met knew how to drive stick
// Girl who does
/// I live in the land of ice and snow - can't tell you how many times downshifting has saved my butt
 
2014-01-16 08:49:53 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Pants full of macaroni!!: If you cannot drive a stick, you have no worth as a human being and should be shot.

/just gettin' that outta the way
//now to pop up some popcorn

i used to not know how to drive a stick.  then my car went underwater and I had to learn how to drive my wife's car (a manual transmission).  it was hell.  but, I learned.

/ i still do not see the attraction.  after several years of exclusively driving a stick, it still sucks.  i guess the manual option was cheaper and it gets better gas mileage.  so, there is that.  otherwise, driving sucks, and the more you have to do when driving, the more it sucks.


There's also better control on hazardous roads. ie ice and snow. If you skid in the rain, push the clutch and it'll catch. Harder to do in an auto.
 
2014-01-16 09:57:18 PM  

SilentStars: /// I live in the land of ice and snow - can't tell you how many times downshifting has saved my butt


I learned that real fast during the first snowstorm. I hadn't been driving the truck in the winter, and the first time I was in a storm and needed to slow down fast, I did the thing I was used to doing--putting on the brakes. That didn't work out so well, since my tires are bald. I figured out really quickly that downshifting worked a lot better. Whole different style of winter driving. And I hate, hate, hate driving in the snow anymore.

My truck is so old I have to get out and turn the hubs for 4-wheel drive too.
 
2014-01-16 11:00:07 PM  

cryinoutloud: My truck is so old I have to get out and turn the hubs for 4-wheel drive too.


Me too, but I prefer it that way. The auto hubs for the later years for mine are junk and many people switch to manual. They're also simpler to service.
 
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