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(Talking Points Memo)   Some people like old things. North Carolina likes old things so much, they're bringing back Reconstruction Era voting laws. You guys know you were on the *losing* side of Reconstruction, right?   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 55
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2014-01-16 08:32:18 AM  
Reconstruction had a losing side?
 
2014-01-16 08:39:03 AM  
Well, yeah. Labor.
 
2014-01-16 08:52:06 AM  
Bringing back? Hell, that era is a step forward for North Carolina.
 
2014-01-16 09:10:58 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?


Given what the South has brought to the table in this country... I'm pretty sure it was the Union who lost Reconstruction.
 
2014-01-16 09:15:42 AM  
Gotta stop them darkies from voting. They made us an embarrassment to the south by having us go for that half-breed Obuma in 2008 - said every GOP member in NC
 
2014-01-16 09:16:03 AM  
But we don't need to protect voting rights anymore!  Racism is dead, right, Supreme Court?
 
2014-01-16 09:16:43 AM  
The Supreme Court is dragging us back into the 1800's.
 
2014-01-16 09:19:42 AM  
So, by "bringing back Reconstruction era voting laws," Subby means "not really."
Unless "requiring ID, voting in your own precinct, and outlawing paying people to register voters" were common practices then?
 
2014-01-16 09:20:56 AM  
These are awfully desperate moves to win elections. And very telling of your party too.
 
2014-01-16 09:22:33 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The Supreme Court is dragging us back into the 1800's.


I won't go so far as to wish active harm to anyone, but the country will be better if certain judges fell off the face of the earth and never returned.
 
2014-01-16 09:22:42 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The Supreme Court is dragging us back into the 1800's.


When your ultimate goal is to re-implement feudalism, the 1800s are as good a place as any to start.
 
2014-01-16 09:26:13 AM  
What? Did Germany "lose" the Marshall Plan, Subby?
 
2014-01-16 09:31:04 AM  
That's a particularly outrageous and trolly way to talk about Voter ID laws. AKA - how TPM destroys liberal causes
 
2014-01-16 09:32:48 AM  

Lost Thought 00: That's a particularly outrageous and trolly way to talk about Voter ID laws. AKA - how TPM destroys liberal causes


making sure everyone has an equal right to vote is a conservative cause too, that is if they still believe in democracy
 
2014-01-16 09:35:44 AM  
Reconstruction voting laws were much more fair than they are now. During reconstruction there were lots of blacks voted in political office. It wasn't till after the federal oversight of reconstruction ended, that good ol' Dixie put dem der uppity n*BONG's back in their place.
 
2014-01-16 09:40:56 AM  

somedude210: Lost Thought 00: That's a particularly outrageous and trolly way to talk about Voter ID laws. AKA - how TPM destroys liberal causes

making sure everyone has an equal right to vote is a conservative cause too, that is if they still believe in democracy


So what you're saying is it's not a conservative cause.
 
2014-01-16 09:46:17 AM  

Kome: So what you're saying is it's not a conservative cause.


oh I see what you did there
 
2014-01-16 09:49:25 AM  
So they're done dragging us back into the 20th century and now they're going for the 19th?
 
2014-01-16 09:55:16 AM  
Here in North Kackalacky our coloreds don't like all the freedoms (drugs) and privileges (welfare) that they've been granted under Obama and Hillary. Coloreds here understand that they need to have limits put on them so that they can keep their noses to the grindstone and succeed at life like their forefathers did.

It used to be that a colored boy could work from sun-up to sun-down all while whistling and singing their troubles away. Once big government got involved all of that changed, and now everybody here just wants to go back to the old system. They're not a particularly bright group, but they're hard workers when properly motivated, and we're tired of liberals in Washington telling states what they can and can't do. Mark my words, one of these days the south is going to rise up and usurp the every-expanding powers of Barack Hussein Obama.

God bless Pat McCrory and keep him safe.
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2014-01-16 09:57:00 AM  
I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.
 
2014-01-16 09:57:02 AM  
Stupid nonsensical headline that doesn't reflect the actual content of the article? Must be a Politics tab green.
 
2014-01-16 10:01:37 AM  

qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.


it wasn't just NC. You should be impressed with the GOP for being able to take a national election and focus almost entirely on state races more than the Democrats. Seriously, it may have been a fluke, but they ran roughshot over the states and made significant changes for the next decade. That takes balls and some sort of planning. While I despise why they did it and the actions they took after gaining control. I have to give them props for pulling off a near-total takeover of government outside of the Senate and Presidency.

Democrats as well as anyone else wasn't expecting that. They didn't realize there were players in the background ready to throw everything they had in a last ditch power play, and it was almost flawless
 
2014-01-16 10:02:13 AM  

clkeagle: Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?

Given what the South has brought to the table in this country... I'm pretty sure it was the Union who lost Reconstruction.


"With malice toward none, with charity for all" was a noble sentiment, but sometimes I really think we should have let the radical Republicans take a heavier hand in rebuilding the South.  But then again I don't know how you preemptively nuke the Lost Cause nonsense without resorting to a brutal occupation.

Maybe if we'd actually prosecuted Forrest for Fort Pillow, that would have been a start.
 
2014-01-16 10:04:31 AM  
Firstly subby, during reconstruction voting laws in the south were very non-racist. That was one of the points.

Also, insofar as it could be said to have a winner, the south won reconstruction. They threw the yankees out and went back to being racist as hell until the civil rights movement.
 
2014-01-16 10:07:30 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?


It's an awkward way to express it, but there's a legitimate point there. Just as in Iraq there was discussion of "winning the war but losing the peace," likewise the Union managed to give up much of what was earned on the battlefield by giving up too early on Reconstruction.
 
2014-01-16 10:08:18 AM  

qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.


As someone who hasn't voted for a Republican since 2006, the biggest enemy Democratic voters have in this state is two generations of corrupt and incompetent Democrats.  Wanna know why we lost the General Assembly in 2010?  Go ask Mike Easley and Meg Scott Phipps and Bev Purdue.  They've done themselves and us no goddamn favors, because every time I point out bullshiat like Time-Warner bribing giving campaign donations to legislators to pass the Level the Playing Field Act to keep more cities from building municipal fiberoptic networks, they point to all the corrupt crap the Democrats have done.

/Corrupt and incompetent is better than Maliciously and Evangelically Corrupt.
 
2014-01-16 10:08:47 AM  

somedude210: qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.

it wasn't just NC. You should be impressed with the GOP for being able to take a national election and focus almost entirely on state races more than the Democrats. Seriously, it may have been a fluke, but they ran roughshot over the states and made significant changes for the next decade. That takes balls and some sort of planning. While I despise why they did it and the actions they took after gaining control. I have to give them props for pulling off a near-total takeover of government outside of the Senate and Presidency.

Democrats as well as anyone else wasn't expecting that. They didn't realize there were players in the background ready to throw everything they had in a last ditch power play, and it was almost flawless


Sure. I say similar things about states like Wisconsin or Maine. The GOP offensive in 2010 was well-coordinated and successfully implemented, but that doesn't mean Democrats who carried those states to victory in 2008 get a pass for sitting out and refusing to back up the guys they had just put in office.
 
2014-01-16 10:14:00 AM  

qorkfiend: Sure. I say similar things about states like Wisconsin or Maine. The GOP offensive in 2010 was well-coordinated and successfully implemented, but that doesn't mean Democrats who carried those states to victory in 2008 get a pass for sitting out and refusing to back up the guys they had just put in office.


agreed, but Democrats were expecting business as usual. They expected some losses and maybe a gain or two but they weren't expecting a pimp slap. That said, they can make up for that by getting people involved in 2014 like they managed to in 2012.

The GOP, even with all their money, still have a piss-poor GOTV campaign
 
2014-01-16 10:19:03 AM  
The headline does make it seems as if their point is "once a racist traitor always a racist traitor" but the point is really about money.

FTFA: The law is also firmly aligned with big money interests instead of the everyday voter. It weakened disclosure requirements for outside spending groups and increased the candidate donation maximum to $5,000. It also repealed public financing programs. Not only will it be easier for outside interests to influence candidates - if these outside groups can keep their spending hidden, it will be harder for the public to hold anyone accountable.

So as is the norm the powerful are using the common persons ignorance against the common people to increase their own power. Sadly it will mostly likely work, again.
 
2014-01-16 10:22:51 AM  

clkeagle: Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?

Given what the South has brought to the table in this country... I'm pretty sure it was the Union who lost Reconstruction.


The unfortunate alternative is that to our southern border we would have a failed state that would be a breeding ground for religious extremist terrorists.
 
2014-01-16 10:24:30 AM  
Post-Reconstruction, subby. That's a very important distinction.
 
2014-01-16 10:25:38 AM  

Tigger: clkeagle: Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?

Given what the South has brought to the table in this country... I'm pretty sure it was the Union who lost Reconstruction.

The unfortunate alternative is that to our southern border we would have a failed state that would be a breeding ground for religious extremist terrorists.


So.. same either way?
 
2014-01-16 10:34:57 AM  
What's cute is thinking about a new civil war. All the rich whiteys would be laughing while the poor(er) gun-toting idiots that voted for them go to war. No reason to soil your hands on a war, you've got oil money to swim in!
 
2014-01-16 10:36:47 AM  

Alphax: Tigger: clkeagle: Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?

Given what the South has brought to the table in this country... I'm pretty sure it was the Union who lost Reconstruction.

The unfortunate alternative is that to our southern border we would have a failed state that would be a breeding ground for religious extremist terrorists.

So.. same either way?


this way is way more expensive...
 
2014-01-16 10:39:20 AM  

qorkfiend: somedude210: qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.

it wasn't just NC. You should be impressed with the GOP for being able to take a national election and focus almost entirely on state races more than the Democrats. Seriously, it may have been a fluke, but they ran roughshot over the states and made significant changes for the next decade. That takes balls and some sort of planning. While I despise why they did it and the actions they took after gaining control. I have to give them props for pulling off a near-total takeover of government outside of the Senate and Presidency.

Democrats as well as anyone else wasn't expecting that. They didn't realize there were players in the background ready to throw everything they had in a last ditch power play, and it was almost flawless

Sure. I say similar things about states like Wisconsin or Maine. The GOP offensive in 2010 was well-coordinated and successfully implemented, but that doesn't mean Democrats who carried those states to victory in 2008 get a pass for sitting out and refusing to back up the guys they had just put in office.


The GOP timed their state-level pushes - they wanted to control as many state legislatures as possible when the census results came in and it came time to redraw the congressional districts.  It became an essential part of their strategy since they had to rely on white, rural and suburban voters.
 
2014-01-16 10:45:40 AM  

UNC_Samurai: qorkfiend: somedude210: qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.

it wasn't just NC. You should be impressed with the GOP for being able to take a national election and focus almost entirely on state races more than the Democrats. Seriously, it may have been a fluke, but they ran roughshot over the states and made significant changes for the next decade. That takes balls and some sort of planning. While I despise why they did it and the actions they took after gaining control. I have to give them props for pulling off a near-total takeover of government outside of the Senate and Presidency.

Democrats as well as anyone else wasn't expecting that. They didn't realize there were players in the background ready to throw everything they had in a last ditch power play, and it was almost flawless

Sure. I say similar things about states like Wisconsin or Maine. The GOP offensive in 2010 was well-coordinated and successfully implemented, but that doesn't mean Democrats who carried those states to victory in 2008 get a pass for sitting out and refusing to back up the guys they had just put in office.

The GOP timed their state-level pushes - they wanted to control as many state legislatures as possible when the census results came in and it came time to redraw the congressional districts.  It became an essential part of their strategy since they had to rely on white, rural and suburban voters.


Right, but there's still no excuse for voting Republican, or for allowing Republicans to get elected by sitting out elections, which is what Democratic "voters" did in 2010.
 
2014-01-16 10:53:08 AM  

qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.


It didn't help that the Republican Lie Machine was turned up full throttle leading into that election, with candidate after candidate claiming "vote for me and I'll do nothing but focus on jobs, jobs, jobs!" and blaming Democrats all the way down to the local level for the collapse of the economy.

Once they got swept in, though, they've done everything BUT try and create jobs. The voter suppression bill was just one of the laws they passed that has a good chunk of NC voters upset with them. Raising taxes on everyone but the rich, cutting social and emergency health and unemployment programs, reducing regulations on resource extraction industries while eliminating corporate income taxes on everyone else,  gutting the agencies responsible for keeping a WV-style disaster from happening here in NC, trying to destroy the NC public education system, and implementing some of the most restrictive anti-abortion bills in the country are just some of the things they accomplished in 2013.
 
2014-01-16 10:59:40 AM  
It's most certainly a choice of the lesser of evils.

With the Democrats we have a party who kinda sorta has the best in mind for everyone in the country and at least gives half-assed attempts to do that best interest stuff.

With the Republicans we have a party who is only out for the richest of the rich, will lie and BS about what their intentions are, and have proven time and again that they'll bow to their corporate overlords even at the expense of human lives.

Yes, the Democrats have no spine and many are corrupt, but sadly I still see that as a better alternative than Republicans.
 
2014-01-16 11:05:16 AM  

Bendal: qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.

It didn't help that the Republican Lie Machine was turned up full throttle leading into that election, with candidate after candidate claiming "vote for me and I'll do nothing but focus on jobs, jobs, jobs!" and blaming Democrats all the way down to the local level for the collapse of the economy.

Once they got swept in, though, they've done everything BUT try and create jobs. The voter suppression bill was just one of the laws they passed that has a good chunk of NC voters upset with them. Raising taxes on everyone but the rich, cutting social and emergency health and unemployment programs, reducing regulations on resource extraction industries while eliminating corporate income taxes on everyone else,  gutting the agencies responsible for keeping a WV-style disaster from happening here in NC, trying to destroy the NC public education system, and implementing some of the most restrictive anti-abortion bills in the country are just some of the things they accomplished in 2013.


But . . . they're Republicans.  How was ANY of that not foreseeable?  It's not even like we're talking about the pre-Teabagger GOP here.
 
2014-01-16 11:08:34 AM  
ALL the swing voters I know (which consists of all the NC natives that actually went to college in the last 20 years) voted for Obama in 2008, and then against Obama in 2010 (by voting straight ticket Republican.
 
2014-01-16 11:38:52 AM  
pisces.bbystatic.com
 
2014-01-16 12:00:48 PM  
is there a FAIL HOTY category?

Can we nominate this headline to it?
 
2014-01-16 12:18:45 PM  

palelizard: Marcus Aurelius: The Supreme Court is dragging us back into the 1800's.

I won't go so far as to wish active harm to anyone, but the country will be better if certain judges fell off the face of the earth and never returned.


Do their names almost rhyme with Old Cheeto, Bombast, and Diarrhea?
 
2014-01-16 02:22:41 PM  
Yeah both NC was the last state to secede and only because everyone else did it and weren't really into the Confederacy at all so go easy on them okay? We good, US?

/this is what they actually teach
 
2014-01-16 02:33:25 PM  

clkeagle: Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?

Given what the South has brought to the table in this country... I'm pretty sure it was the Union who lost Reconstruction.


We should have just accepted the divorce settlement.
 
2014-01-16 03:09:40 PM  
So, my girlfriend's from Nashville and we went back there for Christmas. We went to Gatlinburg for some shopping and crafts stuff. There's a t shirt shop there that had the following offering:

A t shirt off the Confederate flag flying over the US Capitol Dome. And underneath, the words 'I Have A Dream'.

Sort of says it all about a good chunk of the mindset out there...
 
2014-01-16 03:19:16 PM  

somedude210: qorkfiend: I have little sympathy for North Carolina Democrats, who - after turning out in sufficient numbers to swing the state for Obama in 2008 - sat on their asses in 2010 and let the GOP take over in a redistricting year.

it wasn't just NC. You should be impressed with the GOP for being able to take a national election and focus almost entirely on state races more than the Democrats. Seriously, it may have been a fluke, but they ran roughshot over the states and made significant changes for the next decade. That takes balls and some sort of planning. While I despise why they did it and the actions they took after gaining control. I have to give them props for pulling off a near-total takeover of government outside of the Senate and Presidency.

Democrats as well as anyone else wasn't expecting that. They didn't realize there were players in the background ready to throw everything they had in a last ditch power play, and it was almost flawless


so you're saying dems, libs and mods were complacent about progress and underestimated the right's cunning malevolence.

which i guess has not been in evidence for a while...if you have been living under a rock for the last 50, 60 years or so.

well then. dems get a pass.

no they don't. until rational and empathetic people (non-conservatives) wake up and realize that progress isn't guaranteed, and that regressives, historically, will rage and thwart with every last shrieking fiber, we're in for a very long monotonous battle of this 2 steps forward/1 step back bullshiat.
 
2014-01-16 05:11:40 PM  
(looks around his dark red southern state)...

were they???
 
2014-01-16 05:44:45 PM  

cirby: So, by "bringing back Reconstruction era voting laws," Subby means "not really."
Unless "requiring ID, voting in your own precinct, and outlawing paying people to register voters" were common practices then?


Your position is nice and consistent and you support not allowing the government to charge any money whatsoever to issue new IDs/copies/whatever, right? Otherwise you're just revealing yourself to be a troll with no understanding as to what a poll tax is.
 
2014-01-16 05:55:56 PM  

Bontesla: clkeagle: Pocket Ninja: Reconstruction had a losing side?

Given what the South has brought to the table in this country... I'm pretty sure it was the Union who lost Reconstruction.

We should have just accepted the divorce settlement.


It's not too late.  Maybe the South would accept a Constitutional amendment offering them limited nullification powers in exchange for a cut to their representation in Congress.

I only wish I were fully kidding about that.  I really do think that something's going to have to break at some point.  We can't go on forever with virtually no functioning federal government (or, worse, malevolent government) just because the South (not to mention the Plains States) insists on stonewalling and dragging the rest of the country back into the eighteenth century with them.
 
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