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(Talking Points Memo)   CNN's president says MSNBC's bad programming choices hurt its brand, and if anyone knows about bad programming choices it's the president of CNN   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 20
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2014-01-16 12:04:50 PM
2 votes:
Most people don't harp on FOX because they're biased, but because they are 100% in the tank for the GOP. They manipulate, minimize, AND maximize each story to push their POV and even outright lie when it suits them without repercussions. MSNBC has at least punished it's hosts for saying something stupid and made them issue public apologies. Ed, Al, and Scarborough, regardless of your thoughts of them as people, are terrible hosts and commentators (since they don't report anything). Otherwise, MSNBC hosts are typically honest and well-informed of both the politics and history behind issues. Fox has maybe one independent, occasionally, critical thinker, and that's O'Reilly and I just vomited all over my screen typing that.

MSNBC certainly has a slant, but having a slant isn't the same as being 100% for one side above the other with no critical thought. FOX literally works with and even for the GOP on occasion. They exhibit no critical thought and rarely understand half the issues the spout off about(poor people have refrigerators?!? Gasp!). It's a network of poutrage and uniform ignorance. If all they had was a slant, they might be tolerable (like say the thoughtless David Gregory or Chuck Todd or other "Beltway media").

But both sides are bad, ya?
2014-01-16 11:40:58 AM
2 votes:
I agree that credibility at MSNBC sure took a hit when they hired Rev. Al, but I dare CNN to find a single host of one of their "news" or "commentary" shows even approaching the level of credibility, the journalistic chops and the intelligence of Rachel Maddow.  (Who they got S.E. Cupp?  What a f'ing joke she is)

Chris Hayes always seems well informed and is a talented writer. Lawrence O'Donnell at least know what the hell he's talking about when it comes to politics having served as a key aide to one of the most influential members of Congress, Sen Daniel P Moynihan and the Senate Finance Committee for a decade.
2014-01-16 10:52:42 AM
2 votes:
The Al Sharpton show and the Ed show are absolutely horrible television. HORRIBLE.

Hey MSNBC, you can't spend a decade mocking Fox News for being biased and then put these two clowns into primetime news slots so that they can conduct polls like, "Do you think Mitt Ronmey cares about the rich or the poor? Text 'rich' to 888-EdShow to cast your vote".

Later in the show:

"...and the results of the Ed poll. 97% of you*** think that Mitt Romney cares about the rich".

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2014-01-16 10:46:21 AM
2 votes:
Zucker also boasted that CNN has surpassed MSNBC when asked how his network's ratings.

Dear Jeff Zucker,

It is the constant striving for the best ratings, rather than content that has ruined news and journalism, you dick.

Warm wishes,
~Lenny
2014-01-16 10:44:34 AM
2 votes:
Dear CNN President,

Two words:

Nancy Grace


G'bye
2014-01-16 10:43:08 AM
2 votes:
The best outcome for CNN is to continue to run Tony Bourdain shows and penguin documentaries. Stop doing news altogether and become the channel that every other channel used to be before everything became pregnant redneck Amish pawn brokers.
2014-01-16 02:41:41 PM
1 votes:
September 11 messed with a lot of people's heads.  It was sad to see.  Dennis Miller never recovered.
2014-01-16 02:11:55 PM
1 votes:
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:
MSNBC's whole evening lineup suffers from too much outrage syndrome. While that level of righteous indignation is fine for something like a government shutdown and debt ceiling crisis, when every single thing is the new worst thing ever, it's just tiring.

The thing is, there really is a lot of stuff going on in our politics that genuinely deserves outrage, especially coming from a liberal perspective. Nearly everything that Republicans nowadays do is outrageous, because they have seemingly abandoned making policy as a party and replaced it with political maneuvering against their perceived enemies. When they do propose policy, it's almost invariably bad policy: see all their new restrictions on abortion rights, their proposals to gut Medicare/Medicaid/food stamps, stomping on the gays, rolling back environmental and financial regulations, trying to start wars, etc. I have a tough time agreeing that there is "too much outrage" when the GOP is doing all of this stuff constantly. If anything, there is not enough outrage against this stuff. Republican derp goes way beyond just shutting down the government and trying to force us to default on our debts.
2014-01-16 01:40:17 PM
1 votes:

i upped my meds-up yours: Mnemia: Pangea: Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.

Matthews is an idiot, even though I agree with some of his viewpoints. I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.

Unlike Matthews, I don't support politicians because I like them as people, but because I support the policies they are trying to push. I could give two shiats about what a politician looks like, how good the speeches he gives are, or what kind of clothing he wears, as long as he or she is smart, principled, and makes good public policy.

Chris' entire world view revolves around a kind of 1950s Irish-Catholic buddy-buddyism. Then again, half the Democratic Party used to revolve around that. The somewhat less racist half.


Chris Matthews is a fair weather fan.  If a loved new Republican becomes President in 2016, he'll jump sides again. He just likes being on the popular side. Life is easier that way. A few long-time Total Farkers are that way too.
2014-01-16 12:16:00 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: primetime

They're not in primetime. Well, Ed used to be.

Hayes and Maddow are usually very good. O'Donnell can be amusing.


Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.
2014-01-16 12:00:47 PM
1 votes:
CNN's president says is getting in word now that @FutureMrsBieber45 is tweeting about a YoutTube comments thread discussing an Entertainment Weekly piece claiming that MSNBC's bad programming choices hurt its brand, and if anyone knows about bad programming choices it's the president of CNN

FTFY, Subby.
2014-01-16 11:44:56 AM
1 votes:

Moonfisher: What's that, CNN? You have higher ratings? So does farking Honey Boo-Boo. MSNBC has gotten annoying in recent years as they inexplicably strive to be the liberal comeback to Fox's derpstorm, but I still enjoy occasional Maddow.


Derp + Derp = 2(derp).  They are helping exactly nothing.
2014-01-16 11:22:52 AM
1 votes:

Jmb5346: I vote for an Al Sharpton v. Piers Morgan cage match.


only if it's to the death.
2014-01-16 11:15:28 AM
1 votes:

Boxcutta: OTOH, Why in the world would anyone think Al Sharpton is a credible pundit?


Because black people
2014-01-16 11:14:46 AM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: primetime

They're not in primetime. Well, Ed used to be.

Hayes and Maddow are usually very good. O'Donnell can be amusing.


I farking love Lawrence O'Donnell if for no other reason than the apparent contempt that he has for Joe Scarborough. He's the only one who will go on that show and challenge some of Joe's bullshiat.
2014-01-16 11:05:39 AM
1 votes:
I vote for an Al Sharpton v. Piers Morgan cage match.
2014-01-16 11:04:58 AM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: primetime


They're not in primetime. Well, Ed used to be.

Hayes and Maddow are usually very good. O'Donnell can be amusing.
2014-01-16 10:47:02 AM
1 votes:
A parable about trying to get a splinter out of somebody's eye while you've spent a month following a cruise ship with a case of the runs comes to mind.
2014-01-16 10:43:55 AM
1 votes:
At least Nancy Dubuc and Bonnie Hammer just ruined niche cable channels.  Jeff Zucker has managed to not only wreck a major network, he's trying to find a way to make cable news even worse.
2014-01-16 07:44:13 AM
1 votes:
"MSNBC's hosts are so bad we brought back 'Crossfire' because we knew no one would notice how terrible it is anymore compared to MSNBC."
 
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