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(Talking Points Memo)   CNN's president says MSNBC's bad programming choices hurt its brand, and if anyone knows about bad programming choices it's the president of CNN   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2014-01-16 12:38:41 PM  

Mnemia: Pangea: Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.

Matthews is an idiot, even though I agree with some of his viewpoints. I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.

Unlike Matthews, I don't support politicians because I like them as people, but because I support the policies they are trying to push. I could give two shiats about what a politician looks like, how good the speeches he gives are, or what kind of clothing he wears, as long as he or she is smart, principled, and makes good public policy.


MSNBC's whole evening lineup suffers from too much outrage syndrome. While that level of righteous indignation is fine for something like a government shutdown and debt ceiling crisis, when every single thing is the new worst thing ever, it's just tiring.
 
2014-01-16 12:38:57 PM  

Mnemia: I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.


That's not a recent development. I just think that he gets access to some people others can't because of his time in the game. Then he gets those people on, gets them ready to tell you what they think, then interrupts the shiat out of them.

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2014-01-16 12:45:12 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: primetime

They're not in primetime. Well, Ed used to be.

Hayes and Maddow are usually very good. O'Donnell can be amusing.


Maddow's show is decent.   You are correct, though, ODonnell's is a joke.
 
2014-01-16 12:55:41 PM  
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2014-01-16 01:06:12 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: MSNBC's whole evening lineup suffers from too much outrage syndrome.


I don't know if that's the result of trying to "copy" Fox News (since they're basically the same starting at 7pm on) but it's really stupid, either way.

There's a lot of "stuff" happening around the world, yet two of the major American cable news outlets are more interested in pumping out the latest outrage and innuendo from the Capitol.
 
2014-01-16 01:18:39 PM  
homelessdude: [nancy_grace_msnbc.jpeg]

OH that's just evil....

/don't really care what channel she's on
//I see her face on a screen and I change the channel, shoot the TV, burn down the house, et al.
 
2014-01-16 01:36:20 PM  
The one thing to remember about all of the cable news commentary shows...

THIS guy...

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gets more viewers than all of them...combined!

/if Maddow wanted to cross over to the dark side for a night, I'd gladly be the tour guide!
 
2014-01-16 01:40:17 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: Mnemia: Pangea: Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.

Matthews is an idiot, even though I agree with some of his viewpoints. I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.

Unlike Matthews, I don't support politicians because I like them as people, but because I support the policies they are trying to push. I could give two shiats about what a politician looks like, how good the speeches he gives are, or what kind of clothing he wears, as long as he or she is smart, principled, and makes good public policy.

Chris' entire world view revolves around a kind of 1950s Irish-Catholic buddy-buddyism. Then again, half the Democratic Party used to revolve around that. The somewhat less racist half.


Chris Matthews is a fair weather fan.  If a loved new Republican becomes President in 2016, he'll jump sides again. He just likes being on the popular side. Life is easier that way. A few long-time Total Farkers are that way too.
 
2014-01-16 01:48:21 PM  

Pangea: Mnemia: I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.

That's not a recent development. I just think that he gets access to some people others can't because of his time in the game. Then he gets those people on, gets them ready to tell you what they think, then interrupts the shiat out of them.

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Why is the guy next to Matthews wearing a bib?

\The hairstyle is awful too.
 
2014-01-16 01:50:41 PM  
Yet some people swear that Rachel Maddow is a real journalist...
 
2014-01-16 01:53:59 PM  

Nemo's Brother: lennavan: Zucker also boasted that CNN has surpassed MSNBC when asked how his network's ratings.

Dear Jeff Zucker,

It is the constant striving for the best ratings, rather than content that has ruined news and journalism, you dick.

Warm wishes,
~Lenny

Didn't Zucker ruin NBC before fleeing?


Yes; and lucid people in entertainment wonder why CNN hired him.  He must have pictures of TW execs in compromising positions for him to get that gig.
 
2014-01-16 01:54:00 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Chris Matthews is a fair weather fan.  If a loved new Republican becomes President in 2016, he'll jump sides again. He just likes being on the popular side. Life is easier that way. A few long-time Total Farkers are that way too.


Exactly why he went to work for Tip O'Neill at the height of Reagan's power, right? Because Democrats were so popular then.

Chris Matthews is not a fair weather guy. He's often over the top and needlessly partisan on issues that don't warrant it or even have much of a left/right component at all, and he's quite definitely one of the guys who focuses more on winning than getting things right. The guy has lots of flaws, but he's not motivated by popularity. Loyalty, yes. That old Boston-Irish bit. But he's been around for some incredibly popular Republican Presidents and has stuck to his guns.
 
2014-01-16 01:56:16 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Mnemia: Pangea: Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.

Matthews is an idiot, even though I agree with some of his viewpoints. I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.

Unlike Matthews, I don't support politicians because I like them as people, but because I support the policies they are trying to push. I could give two shiats about what a politician looks like, how good the speeches he gives are, or what kind of clothing he wears, as long as he or she is smart, principled, and makes good public policy.

MSNBC's whole evening lineup suffers from too much outrage syndrome. While that level of righteous indignation is fine for something like a government shutdown and debt ceiling crisis, when every single thing is the new worst thing ever, it's just tiring.


I'd rather have too much outrage than Fox News' "Nothing to see here folks, Democrats are evil, move along" crap.
 
2014-01-16 02:11:55 PM  
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:
MSNBC's whole evening lineup suffers from too much outrage syndrome. While that level of righteous indignation is fine for something like a government shutdown and debt ceiling crisis, when every single thing is the new worst thing ever, it's just tiring.

The thing is, there really is a lot of stuff going on in our politics that genuinely deserves outrage, especially coming from a liberal perspective. Nearly everything that Republicans nowadays do is outrageous, because they have seemingly abandoned making policy as a party and replaced it with political maneuvering against their perceived enemies. When they do propose policy, it's almost invariably bad policy: see all their new restrictions on abortion rights, their proposals to gut Medicare/Medicaid/food stamps, stomping on the gays, rolling back environmental and financial regulations, trying to start wars, etc. I have a tough time agreeing that there is "too much outrage" when the GOP is doing all of this stuff constantly. If anything, there is not enough outrage against this stuff. Republican derp goes way beyond just shutting down the government and trying to force us to default on our debts.
 
2014-01-16 02:23:10 PM  

Lee451: Yet some people swear that Rachel Maddow is a real journalist...


You cited Newsbusters.  You just divided by zero and poached infinity amounts of our oxygen.  Please investigate the physiological effects of driving a human being over the cliff of a 100 ft quarry.
 
2014-01-16 02:37:40 PM  

cptjeff: Nemo's Brother: Chris Matthews is a fair weather fan.  If a loved new Republican becomes President in 2016, he'll jump sides again. He just likes being on the popular side. Life is easier that way. A few long-time Total Farkers are that way too.

Exactly why he went to work for Tip O'Neill at the height of Reagan's power, right? Because Democrats were so popular then.

Chris Matthews is not a fair weather guy. He's often over the top and needlessly partisan on issues that don't warrant it or even have much of a left/right component at all, and he's quite definitely one of the guys who focuses more on winning than getting things right. The guy has lots of flaws, but he's not motivated by popularity. Loyalty, yes. That old Boston-Irish bit. But he's been around for some incredibly popular Republican Presidents and has stuck to his guns.


He certainly liked Bush Jr. Either he jumped ships or a few times or liked Bush's liberal policies? It can't be both.
 
2014-01-16 02:41:41 PM  
September 11 messed with a lot of people's heads.  It was sad to see.  Dennis Miller never recovered.
 
2014-01-16 03:08:34 PM  

Nemo's Brother: cptjeff: Nemo's Brother: Chris Matthews is a fair weather fan.  If a loved new Republican becomes President in 2016, he'll jump sides again. He just likes being on the popular side. Life is easier that way. A few long-time Total Farkers are that way too.

Exactly why he went to work for Tip O'Neill at the height of Reagan's power, right? Because Democrats were so popular then.

Chris Matthews is not a fair weather guy. He's often over the top and needlessly partisan on issues that don't warrant it or even have much of a left/right component at all, and he's quite definitely one of the guys who focuses more on winning than getting things right. The guy has lots of flaws, but he's not motivated by popularity. Loyalty, yes. That old Boston-Irish bit. But he's been around for some incredibly popular Republican Presidents and has stuck to his guns.

He certainly liked Bush Jr. Either he jumped ships or a few times or liked Bush's liberal policies? It can't be both.


Uh, what? I do think he supported Bush's immigration reform idea (moderate to liberal plan) and I know he's a big fan of Bush's work in Africa (humanitarian, not left/right), but that's not enough to say he liked GWB overall.

You're going to need citations if you want to claim that Chris Matthews was a Bushie.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:48 PM  

fireclown: Hypocrisy aside, he IS dead on.  MSNBC is just ghastly from top to bottom (no disrespect to our Ghastly).


And if Zucker were talking about the lineup, he might have a point. But he was talking about the "controversies" surrounding Bashir, Harris-Perry, and Baldwin, two of which no one had heard of until the controversies (except for a few horny Farkers on the latter), the third no one knew he had a show on MSNBC before his controversy, and all three of which said less inflammatory things than Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty did (and that, you can't say that the controversy has hurt A&E)...and even with those three incidents, MSNBC has far fewer "controversies" than Fox News or even CNN has had over the past few weeks.  But CNN and Fox News saying controversial shiat is commonplace. Hearing it from MSNBC...now that's the event.
 
2014-01-16 03:51:06 PM  

Jmb5346: I vote for an Al Sharpton v. Piers Morgan cage match.


As long as the cage is welded shut and thrown into the ocean, I'm all for it.
 
2014-01-16 04:13:49 PM  
Fox news has dragged everything down into the gutter, CNN has no choice but to follow suit to some degree if they wanna stay viable.
 
2014-01-16 04:26:46 PM  

cptjeff: You're going to need citations if you want to claim that Chris Matthews was a Bushie.


He might not have agreed with him politically but Matthews definitely had a crush on Bush.
 
2014-01-16 04:56:46 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Jmb5346: I vote for an Al Sharpton v. Piers Morgan cage match.

As long as the cage is welded shut and thrown into the ocean, I'm all for it.


This.
 
2014-01-16 05:39:20 PM  
I don't know why any normal person would even watch a 24-hr news & commentary channel.
I understand why Fox News exists - it fills a special needs niche. But CNN and CNBC seem to be trying to be Fox news for normal people - and normal people don't need anything like Fox News.
I honestly don't know why anybody watches either of them.
 
2014-01-16 05:50:22 PM  
Well of course CNN originated, invented, and filled the need for a 24 hour video news source years before the web came about, so they've got every right to try to keep at it.

But I don't think it was ever intended to be something anyone watched for long periods.  I think it was just modeled after news radio spurts, "you give us 22 minutes we give you the world".
 
2014-01-16 09:59:44 PM  
MSNBC doesn't understand the problem with cable news was never the absence of a liberal version of Glenn Beck.
 
2014-01-16 10:30:07 PM  
"That's like poop telling vomit it stinks!"

                      - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
 
2014-01-16 11:25:16 PM  
 
2014-01-17 08:47:45 AM  
Face it .You all hate CNN, because you're a bunch of homophobic bigots.

i.perezhilton.com
 
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