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(Talking Points Memo)   CNN's president says MSNBC's bad programming choices hurt its brand, and if anyone knows about bad programming choices it's the president of CNN   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 79
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2014-01-16 07:44:13 AM
"MSNBC's hosts are so bad we brought back 'Crossfire' because we knew no one would notice how terrible it is anymore compared to MSNBC."
 
2014-01-16 10:43:08 AM
The best outcome for CNN is to continue to run Tony Bourdain shows and penguin documentaries. Stop doing news altogether and become the channel that every other channel used to be before everything became pregnant redneck Amish pawn brokers.
 
2014-01-16 10:43:55 AM
At least Nancy Dubuc and Bonnie Hammer just ruined niche cable channels.  Jeff Zucker has managed to not only wreck a major network, he's trying to find a way to make cable news even worse.
 
2014-01-16 10:44:34 AM
Dear CNN President,

Two words:

Nancy Grace


G'bye
 
2014-01-16 10:46:21 AM
Zucker also boasted that CNN has surpassed MSNBC when asked how his network's ratings.

Dear Jeff Zucker,

It is the constant striving for the best ratings, rather than content that has ruined news and journalism, you dick.

Warm wishes,
~Lenny
 
2014-01-16 10:47:02 AM
A parable about trying to get a splinter out of somebody's eye while you've spent a month following a cruise ship with a case of the runs comes to mind.
 
2014-01-16 10:49:46 AM

lennavan: Zucker also boasted that CNN has surpassed MSNBC when asked how his network's ratings.

Dear Jeff Zucker,

It is the constant striving for the best ratings, rather than content that has ruined news and journalism, you dick.

Warm wishes,
~Lenny


Didn't Zucker ruin NBC before fleeing?
 
2014-01-16 10:50:57 AM
Zucker, Zucker, Zucker.

Being hit by a bus would be too good for you, Zucker.
 
2014-01-16 10:52:42 AM
The Al Sharpton show and the Ed show are absolutely horrible television. HORRIBLE.

Hey MSNBC, you can't spend a decade mocking Fox News for being biased and then put these two clowns into primetime news slots so that they can conduct polls like, "Do you think Mitt Ronmey cares about the rich or the poor? Text 'rich' to 888-EdShow to cast your vote".

Later in the show:

"...and the results of the Ed poll. 97% of you*** think that Mitt Romney cares about the rich".

/***17 votes cast
 
2014-01-16 10:53:06 AM

Nemo's Brother: Didn't Zucker ruin NBC before fleeing?


He transformed NBC from a first place network to a fourth place network.

He was also behind the whole Conan/Leno thing.

NBC finally paid him $30-$40 Million to GTFO.
 
2014-01-16 10:55:13 AM

Nemo's Brother: Didn't Zucker ruin NBC before fleeing?


Next season, contestants will report on stories to a panel consisting of Newt Gingrich, Nancy Grace, Piers Morgan and Miley Cyrus with their chairs turned around. The twist is, nobody's told the contestants that there isn't a second round to this and the chairs don't swivel. They all just get snarked at and leave disappointed.
 
2014-01-16 10:57:20 AM
Hypocrisy aside, he IS dead on.  MSNBC is just ghastly from top to bottom (no disrespect to our Ghastly).
 
2014-01-16 11:01:43 AM

Gosling: t season, contestants will report on stories to a panel consisting of Newt Gingrich, Nancy Grace, Piers Morgan and Miley Cyrus with their chairs turned around. The twist is, nobody's told the contestants that there isn't a second round to this and the chairs don't swivel. They all just get snarked at and leave disappointed.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-16 11:02:07 AM
I rarely-to-never watch either of them, but in my personal mindshare MSNBC is the one that has risen in interest and respectability, while CNN to me means unwatchable TV and a web site that I turn to only when there is breaking news only to discover, again, that they are behind every other god damn site in even mentioning said news.  That their site is ugly as hell doesn't help.  I never return until wash/disappoint/repeat for the next big news story they fail to timely cover.

And to learn that failing-upwards Zucker is in charge - hah.  The Carly Fiorina of broadcasting?
 
2014-01-16 11:04:58 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: primetime


They're not in primetime. Well, Ed used to be.

Hayes and Maddow are usually very good. O'Donnell can be amusing.
 
2014-01-16 11:05:39 AM
I vote for an Al Sharpton v. Piers Morgan cage match.
 
2014-01-16 11:09:31 AM
And if anyone knows anything about ruining a brand, it's Jeff Zucker. OTOH, Why in the world would anyone think Al Sharpton is a credible pundit?
 
2014-01-16 11:10:10 AM
He did very well with the original Airplane!, but it's been downhill since.
 
2014-01-16 11:11:41 AM
Surely you
 
2014-01-16 11:13:38 AM
I watched the Ed show for the first time the other day. It was turrible
 
2014-01-16 11:13:51 AM
Zucker is a prime example of Corporate America's tendency to promote failure upwards when it comes to top executives. While I also think some of MSNBC's programming choices have been questionable, it's hard to imagine anyone with less credibility on this subject than Zucker.
 
2014-01-16 11:14:46 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: primetime

They're not in primetime. Well, Ed used to be.

Hayes and Maddow are usually very good. O'Donnell can be amusing.


I farking love Lawrence O'Donnell if for no other reason than the apparent contempt that he has for Joe Scarborough. He's the only one who will go on that show and challenge some of Joe's bullshiat.
 
2014-01-16 11:15:10 AM

Boxcutta: Why in the world would anyone think Al Sharpton is a credible pundit?


And fire Cenk Uygur to hire him, for that matter?

I guess it's 'cos they're the lib'rullest lib'ruls to ever lib'rul a lib'rul.
 
2014-01-16 11:15:28 AM

Boxcutta: OTOH, Why in the world would anyone think Al Sharpton is a credible pundit?


Because black people
 
2014-01-16 11:19:53 AM

EyeballKid: A parable about trying to get a splinter out of somebody's eye while you've spent a month following a cruise ship with a case of the runs comes to mind.


THIS50. Of course, his head's literally too big to notice the rank hypocrisy.
 
2014-01-16 11:21:29 AM
only reason I watch CNN is for anthony bordain. MSNBC is for Lockup raw (if I haven't seen it) otherwise I haven't seen anything on those channels even worth more then 5 minutes.
 
2014-01-16 11:22:52 AM

Jmb5346: I vote for an Al Sharpton v. Piers Morgan cage match.


only if it's to the death.
 
2014-01-16 11:26:06 AM
On Tuesday I got a news "alert" from CNN on my phone about the Justin Bieber egg-gate. Or whatever the hell that was.

CNN is garbage. I've since deleted that app.
 
2014-01-16 11:40:29 AM
What's that, CNN? You have higher ratings? So does farking Honey Boo-Boo. MSNBC has gotten annoying in recent years as they inexplicably strive to be the liberal comeback to Fox's derpstorm, but I still enjoy occasional Maddow.
 
2014-01-16 11:40:58 AM
I agree that credibility at MSNBC sure took a hit when they hired Rev. Al, but I dare CNN to find a single host of one of their "news" or "commentary" shows even approaching the level of credibility, the journalistic chops and the intelligence of Rachel Maddow.  (Who they got S.E. Cupp?  What a f'ing joke she is)

Chris Hayes always seems well informed and is a talented writer. Lawrence O'Donnell at least know what the hell he's talking about when it comes to politics having served as a key aide to one of the most influential members of Congress, Sen Daniel P Moynihan and the Senate Finance Committee for a decade.
 
2014-01-16 11:44:56 AM

Moonfisher: What's that, CNN? You have higher ratings? So does farking Honey Boo-Boo. MSNBC has gotten annoying in recent years as they inexplicably strive to be the liberal comeback to Fox's derpstorm, but I still enjoy occasional Maddow.


Derp + Derp = 2(derp).  They are helping exactly nothing.
 
2014-01-16 11:47:49 AM
Ok, now that you're number two...  is it time to actually do some reporting and analysis instead of just shouting "Good or Bad!?!?!?" at every guest?
 
2014-01-16 11:50:58 AM
Maddow, Hayes, O'Donnell and Erza Klein (even though he doesn't have a show, I don't think, he should).

Any one of those folks is individually possessing of more journalistic prowess and integrity than every on-air personality on CNN.
 
2014-01-16 11:51:33 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Maddow, Hayes, O'Donnell and Erza Klein (even though he doesn't have a show, I don't think, he should).

Any one of those folks is individually possessing of more journalistic prowess and integrity than every on-air personality on CNN.


Ezra Klein, sorry.
 
2014-01-16 12:00:47 PM
CNN's president says is getting in word now that @FutureMrsBieber45 is tweeting about a YoutTube comments thread discussing an Entertainment Weekly piece claiming that MSNBC's bad programming choices hurt its brand, and if anyone knows about bad programming choices it's the president of CNN

FTFY, Subby.
 
2014-01-16 12:02:07 PM
HACK / LIARS / ASSHOLES COMPARISON

Column A (actually a row, but I could give a f*ck): Al Sharpton, Ed Schultz, Pat Buchanan

Column B:  Piers Morgan, Nancy Grace, Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs

Column C: Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Neil Cavuto, Bret Baier, Dan Perino, Karl Rove, Keith Ablow, Sarah Palin, Gretchen Carlson, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Mike Huckabee, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, Oliver North, Geraldo Rivera, Bill Sammon

Both Sides Are Bad.... So Vote NPR?
 
2014-01-16 12:02:13 PM
gaia.adage.com
"THIS is CNN?"

/Oblig
 
2014-01-16 12:04:50 PM
Most people don't harp on FOX because they're biased, but because they are 100% in the tank for the GOP. They manipulate, minimize, AND maximize each story to push their POV and even outright lie when it suits them without repercussions. MSNBC has at least punished it's hosts for saying something stupid and made them issue public apologies. Ed, Al, and Scarborough, regardless of your thoughts of them as people, are terrible hosts and commentators (since they don't report anything). Otherwise, MSNBC hosts are typically honest and well-informed of both the politics and history behind issues. Fox has maybe one independent, occasionally, critical thinker, and that's O'Reilly and I just vomited all over my screen typing that.

MSNBC certainly has a slant, but having a slant isn't the same as being 100% for one side above the other with no critical thought. FOX literally works with and even for the GOP on occasion. They exhibit no critical thought and rarely understand half the issues the spout off about(poor people have refrigerators?!? Gasp!). It's a network of poutrage and uniform ignorance. If all they had was a slant, they might be tolerable (like say the thoughtless David Gregory or Chuck Todd or other "Beltway media").

But both sides are bad, ya?
 
2014-01-16 12:04:57 PM
Ha. Remember when CNN actually did news? I do, but just barely. What was that, 15, 20 years ago?
 
2014-01-16 12:07:57 PM

Vodka Zombie: Dear CNN President,

Two words:Nancy Grace
G'bye


This. Jesus ...

I'm not a viewer of any cable news, the only thing I ever watch on CNN is Bourdain's show. The rest of its programming is shiat.
 
2014-01-16 12:09:28 PM
godparticle knows it isn't over them hiring bigots. Leftists love to support them

cdn.breitbart.com

cdn.phillymag.com

Isn't that right.
timesonline.typepad.com
 
2014-01-16 12:12:46 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: The Al Sharpton show and the Ed show are absolutely horrible television. HORRIBLE.

Hey MSNBC, you can't spend a decade mocking Fox News for being biased and then put these two clowns into primetime news slots so that they can conduct polls like, "Do you think Mitt Ronmey cares about the rich or the poor? Text 'rich' to 888-EdShow to cast your vote".



I tend to think and vote liberal, but those guys are indeed terrible.

Big "Let's get to work" Ed is as bad in the liberal persuasion as the Conservative pundits I hate.

Al Sharpton seem to exude the same technique of "pretending that something is so terribly obvious he'll condescendingly dismiss the non-believers as too stupid to understand" when he's unclear on a subject, as I've heard on Conservative AM radio.

I honestly feel like its a sort of coaching technique to tell people how they're supposed to act smugly in order to gloss over being uneducated on a subject.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:37 PM

OnlyM3: godparticle knows it isn't over them hiring bigots. Leftists love to support them

[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]

[cdn.phillymag.com image 850x488]

Isn't that right.
[timesonline.typepad.com image 800x628]


Well, you may be on to something here.  I mean, you listed 3 for MSNBC.  I can't imagine FoxNews would have that many.

(Types in "FoxNews Personalities" into GIS)

My God... it's full of bigots!

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2014-01-16 12:16:00 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: primetime

They're not in primetime. Well, Ed used to be.

Hayes and Maddow are usually very good. O'Donnell can be amusing.


Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.
 
2014-01-16 12:23:26 PM

coeyagi: (Types in "FoxNews Personalities" into GIS)

My God... it's full of bigots!



NUH UH! No one on Fox News can be a bigot. They bought have a black friend!

www.csmonitor.com
 
2014-01-16 12:26:11 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: The Al Sharpton show and the Ed show are absolutely horrible television. HORRIBLE.

Hey MSNBC, you can't spend a decade mocking Fox News for being biased and then put these two clowns into primetime news slots so that they can conduct polls like, "Do you think Mitt Ronmey cares about the rich or the poor? Text 'rich' to 888-EdShow to cast your vote".

Later in the show:

"...and the results of the Ed poll. 97% of you*** think that Mitt Romney cares about the rich".

/***17 votes cast


THIS.
the ultimate shark jump.. I mean who in their right mind would put on some scam artist like Sharpton and Ed? These idiots make the Fox ones look like un-bias highly intelligent journalists. WIth the exception of Maddow (Usally) and Morning Joe there really isn't much to watch on MSNBC as evident from their ratings.
Not that Fox is too much better but the Sharpton -Yelling / preaching and ED (I think I am going to have a heart attack over getting too worked up) is just unbearable and unwatchable.
 
2014-01-16 12:28:36 PM
CNN needs a segment and three pundits to talk about the Bieber egg-throwing "scandal."  Hell, even the guy on the right is falling asleep.

And CNN is talking about shiatty programming?

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-16 12:34:02 PM
What's Jeff been huffing?

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2014-01-16 12:34:19 PM

Pangea: Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.


Matthews is an idiot, even though I agree with some of his viewpoints. I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.

Unlike Matthews, I don't support politicians because I like them as people, but because I support the policies they are trying to push. I could give two shiats about what a politician looks like, how good the speeches he gives are, or what kind of clothing he wears, as long as he or she is smart, principled, and makes good public policy.
 
2014-01-16 12:37:15 PM

Mnemia: Pangea: Agreed on this. Chris Matthews has great guests on all the time too. If only he could stop himself from constantly interrupting them, the show would be quite watchable.

Matthews is an idiot, even though I agree with some of his viewpoints. I don't get the feeling he's arrived at any of his (mild, centrist) liberalism via reason or intelligence. He strongly suffers from being "starstruck" by most of the politicians he talks to, and I feel like he takes a "viewpoint" just so that he has a reason to talk to the political celebrities he worships.

Unlike Matthews, I don't support politicians because I like them as people, but because I support the policies they are trying to push. I could give two shiats about what a politician looks like, how good the speeches he gives are, or what kind of clothing he wears, as long as he or she is smart, principled, and makes good public policy.


Chris' entire world view revolves around a kind of 1950s Irish-Catholic buddy-buddyism. Then again, half the Democratic Party used to revolve around that. The somewhat less racist half.
 
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