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(Reuters)   Pope Francis sacks Cardinals, is immediately signed by St. Louis Rams   (reuters.com) divider line 65
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2014-01-15 10:24:23 PM  
I picked a bad week to be the Pope's food taster.
 
2014-01-16 12:11:23 AM  
Closing the Vatican Bank is a good step.  Contrary to popular belief, the Vatican bank is a public bank criminals use, like the US stock market.  It's the publicly accessible part of the Vatican finances.

It is a good thing if it's shut down.
 
2014-01-16 12:14:08 AM  
HOTY candidate, please step up

/please step up
//please step up
 
2014-01-16 12:23:24 AM  
What does God need with a bank?
 
2014-01-16 12:27:39 AM  
Meanwhile, hiring managers at Bank of America or Chase are probably treating this like a glowing reference for those men.
 
2014-01-16 12:28:36 AM  
I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as cardinals being removed from their posts.
 
2014-01-16 12:32:43 AM  
Definite possibility for first round draft pick in fantasy next year. Jesus is still a contender though. His cross route is infallible.
 
2014-01-16 04:22:20 AM  

fusillade762: What does God need with a bank?


Manna doesn't just pay for itself.

Scotty: I'd keep Jesus in mind for quarterback. He throws a Hail Mary like you wouldn't believe.
 
2014-01-16 04:35:35 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Definite possibility for first round draft pick in fantasy next year. Jesus is still a contender though. His cross route is infallible.


He'd need it considering the Vatican's success with Hail Mary plays.
 
2014-01-16 04:46:05 AM  

WhyteRaven74: I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as cardinals being removed from their posts.


The next step is hopefully to get the altar boys removed from the cardinal's posts.
 
2014-01-16 04:46:22 AM  
Pope Francis, the pop star of the Catholic Church. Designed for the broadest appeal and bigger donations.

/Vatican II  was and is nonsense constructed for pr and money.
 
2014-01-16 04:48:00 AM  
Now he's messing with the mob?   This guy wants to be a martyr.
 
2014-01-16 04:53:17 AM  

Girion47: Now he's messing with the mob?   This guy wants to be a martyr.


Or assassinated.

Martyr only counts if the next pope takes up his cause, holds his ideals, etc. despite the threat of death.

Assassination counts if whatever Pope replaces him reinstitutes the old way of doing things, making Pope Francis and his reign a flash in the pan and nothing more.
 
2014-01-16 05:03:04 AM  
Bertone is a very high ranking Cardinal. He was Pope material. I suspect this will pretty much doom his chances now. I also suspect Francis has made some powerful enemies now. This is getting VERY interesting.
 
2014-01-16 05:08:56 AM  
The next step in putting his mark on the Church.

Not a bad place to start the reform.

(Yeah, yeah..the altar boys...I know....)
 
2014-01-16 05:09:25 AM  
this guy has totally not seen godfather 3
 
2014-01-16 05:25:36 AM  

proteus_b: this guy has totally not seen godfather 3


Yet ANOTHER reason to like the guy
 
2014-01-16 06:01:14 AM  
Nobody out there can beat his conversion numbers.
 
2014-01-16 06:05:19 AM  

C18H27NO3: WhyteRaven74: I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as cardinals being removed from their posts.

The next step is hopefully to get the altar boys removed from the cardinal's posts.


Awright you.  That keyboard you are now sending me better be wireless.
 
2014-01-16 06:07:06 AM  
I keep getting confused on that one. Or rather, I forget there's an Arizona Cardinals football team. I thought subby was being silly. Anyhow, the baseball team in Arizona is the Albequerque Isotoes, right?
 
2014-01-16 06:24:56 AM  

robohobo: /Vatican II was and is nonsense constructed for pr and money.


how do you figure?
 
2014-01-16 06:31:25 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: he hates everyone except the rich... but mostly the poor, and those that try to help the poor.


Considering what the Catholic church has had as official social policy for over a century, makes it odd to pick on Vatican II.
 
2014-01-16 06:41:03 AM  
Blah blah not meaningful blah blah when he starts making REAL changes maybe I'll believe it blah blah sheep blah blah just seeing what you want to see.

/Did I get it covered?
 
2014-01-16 07:09:04 AM  
This is like Elizabeth Warren going after the Koch Brothers with the FBI.

But hey, no women priests and no gay marriage, and pedophile priests are still out there, so let's call Jennifer Lawrence fat.
 
2014-01-16 07:10:47 AM  

Felgraf: Blah blah not meaningful blah blah when he starts making REAL changes maybe I'll believe it blah blah sheep blah blah just seeing what you want to see.

/Did I get it covered?


whither_apophis: I picked a bad week to be the Pope's food taster.


Hopefully Francis is still making his own food like he was earlier last year.

Otherwise you're hosed like a lemur.
 
2014-01-16 07:11:54 AM  
One of the two big complaints I heard about Francis "NOT FIXING STUFF RIGHT NOW" was the Vatican Bank...

So.

Um.

Anyone wanna take a guess at the time period before he starts further addressing the molestation stuff?
 
2014-01-16 07:13:51 AM  

robohobo: Pope Francis, the pop star of the Catholic Church. Designed for the broadest appeal and bigger donations.

/Vatican II  was and is nonsense constructed for pr and money.


And Pope John died of polonium, not stomach cancer.

/yeah, yeah, women can read the Scriptures and hold the Eucharist, and girls can be altar servers1, but women still can't be priests, so FAIL! *pout*

1 Void in Arlington, VA
 
2014-01-16 07:14:05 AM  
I was in Ottawa the other day, and I saw a Cardinals' game on TV in a bar somewhere. What's up with the beards man?!
 
2014-01-16 07:15:51 AM  

Summercat: Anyone wanna take a guess at the time period before he starts further addressing the molestation stuff?


I'm still of the mindset that something like busting the priests/handing them over to the police would basically be a huge ass worldwide dragnet, which would require time, preparation and of course not tipping their hand early and letting them get away.

The 'He's not fixing it instantly because I'm a millennial and expect instant changes because I don't understand how the world works" crowd doesn't seem to grasp that a movement like that requires a lot of work and not press releases to keep us updated.

Speculative I know but it makes more sense than demanding the Vatican instantly punish/release names of all the priests accused. Damn reality keeps getting in the way of instant gratification.
 
2014-01-16 07:22:42 AM  
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Maybe the Pope needs a trusted secret agent to go undercover to protect him?
 
2014-01-16 07:23:24 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: Summercat: Anyone wanna take a guess at the time period before he starts further addressing the molestation stuff?

I'm still of the mindset that something like busting the priests/handing them over to the police would basically be a huge ass worldwide dragnet, which would require time, preparation and of course not tipping their hand early and letting them get away.

The 'He's not fixing it instantly because I'm a millennial and expect instant changes because I don't understand how the world works" crowd doesn't seem to grasp that a movement like that requires a lot of work and not press releases to keep us updated.

Speculative I know but it makes more sense than demanding the Vatican instantly punish/release names of all the priests accused. Damn reality keeps getting in the way of instant gratification.


Shush,clearly this pope is just a PR person and isn't REALLY trying to affect change. People who insist we're just seeing what we want to see have SAID so!
 
2014-01-16 07:28:57 AM  

Felgraf: Shush,clearly this pope is just a PR person and isn't REALLY trying to affect change. People who insist we're just seeing what we want to see have SAID so!


I just figured those people were psychic, or *really* good friends with Francis, so close that they could tell from press releases what he was *really* thinking and feeling.

Because the idea of a true believer in a position of power is *obviously* never allowed to happen.
 
2014-01-16 07:46:23 AM  

robohobo: Pope Francis, the pop star of the Catholic Church. Designed for the broadest appeal and bigger donations.

/Vatican II  was and is nonsense constructed for pr and money.


Are you Mel Gibson?
 
2014-01-16 07:50:58 AM  

fusillade762: What does God need with a bank?


Given that god is a money-making invention?  The need for a bank is obvious.
 
2014-01-16 07:53:53 AM  
And those responsible for the sacking... still get to be Pope.
 
2014-01-16 08:08:32 AM  

DarkVader: fusillade762: What does God need with a bank?

Given that god is a money-making invention?  The need for a bank is obvious.


Don't forget to launder it all.
 
2014-01-16 08:10:52 AM  

Summercat: One of the two big complaints I heard about Francis "NOT FIXING STUFF RIGHT NOW" was the Vatican Bank...

So.

Um.

Anyone wanna take a guess at the time period before he starts further addressing the molestation stuff?


Another year or 2, would be my guess.
 
2014-01-16 08:19:58 AM  
I really hope Francis lives well into his 90s. But I fear he'll experience the old reaching-for-the-electric-fan-while-stepping-out-of-the-bath routine.
 
2014-01-16 08:21:41 AM  

August11: I really hope Francis lives well into his 90s. But I fear he'll experience the old reaching-for-the-electric-fan-while-stepping-out-of-the-bath routine.


Stepping
 
2014-01-16 08:28:01 AM  

Felgraf: Blah blah not meaningful blah blah when he starts making REAL changes maybe I'll believe it blah blah sheep blah blah just seeing what you want to see.

/Did I get it covered?


What's the old quote? For those who believe, no proof is required; for those that don't, no proof is enough.
 
2014-01-16 08:31:19 AM  

Smoking GNU: Summercat: One of the two big complaints I heard about Francis "NOT FIXING STUFF RIGHT NOW" was the Vatican Bank...

So.

Um.

Anyone wanna take a guess at the time period before he starts further addressing the molestation stuff?

Another year or 2, would be my guess.


He's on  a roll and he doesn't seem to be wasting any time. Rome wasn't corrupted in a day.
I admire him.
 
2014-01-16 08:42:15 AM  
What happens when all the disillusioned Catholics are inspired by Francis to go back to church and the first sermon they hear focuses on a lack of money to fix this or that, to purchase blah blah blah. That might get real interesting.
 
2014-01-16 09:04:59 AM  
Oi! our defense isn't the sodding problem!
 
2014-01-16 09:33:34 AM  

sephjnr: Oi! our defense isn't the sodding problem!


huh?
 
2014-01-16 09:44:02 AM  
The RCC:
Abuse a child, no big deal
Fark with our money, and we're going medieval on your ass
 
2014-01-16 09:52:34 AM  

Girion47: Now he's messing with the mob? This guy wants to be a martyr.


Hope he hung on to that bullet proof pope mobile.
 
2014-01-16 11:05:38 AM  

maddogdelta: The RCC:
Abuse a child, no big deal
Fark with our money, and we're going medieval on your ass


Did you even...read the article?

He's removing the corruption and still considering shutting down the bank. He's not 'protecting the money', he's considering dumping the whole thing.
 
2014-01-16 11:23:50 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: He's removing the corruption and still considering shutting down the bank.


So, if he shuts down the bank, does the money evaporate?  Or does it get moved to "non corrupt" banks that will be safe when the Vatican Bank's assets are frozen.

I get that he is taking dynamic action. Really trying to do something to stamp out any wiff of corruption.

Except when it comes to child abuse. Or any other one of hundreds of places the RCC can apply their power for the good of the planet.

Nope..Take care of the bank. THAT is the priority.
 
2014-01-16 12:53:44 PM  

maddogdelta: o, if he shuts down the bank, does the money evaporate? Or does it get moved to "non corrupt" banks that will be safe when the Vatican Bank's assets are frozen.

I get that he is taking dynamic action. Really trying to do something to stamp out any wiff of corruption.

Except when it comes to child abuse. Or any other one of hundreds of places the RCC can apply their power for the good of the planet.

Nope..Take care of the bank. THAT is the priority.


Read my previous post on this thread: You don't know if he's doing anything about the child abuse problem because something like that you wouldn't advertise it or release a press statement: imagine if they announce they're handing over info, or if they do and the police make their move on the few they *know* about, but then that leaves the others they're looking into/researching to get away, flee, destroy evidence, etc. You're not thinking of it like a criminal investigation, you're thinking of it as a simple problem that can be solved with handling of paperwork. It's a lot more complicated than that.

You can make assumptions as much as you want, but to claim that they 'are or are not' doing anything one way or the other is ignorant.

The bank, something with valid paper trailers, and he's had it audited by two independent sources, is a stationary business/thing. Not a person. When dealing with crimes of people you have to be a *bit* more inconspicuous.
 
2014-01-16 12:57:55 PM  

Summercat: One of the two big complaints I heard about Francis "NOT FIXING STUFF RIGHT NOW" was the Vatican Bank...

So.

Um.

Anyone wanna take a guess at the time period before he starts further addressing the molestation stuff?


I would think he has a strategy put together, given what he's done so far.  But that may be harder to accomplish.
 
2014-01-16 12:59:49 PM  
See what happens when you mess with the Vatican Bank? California Diocese declares bankruptcy
 
2014-01-16 01:03:28 PM  

maddogdelta: Capo Del Bandito: He's removing the corruption and still considering shutting down the bank.

So, if he shuts down the bank, does the money evaporate?  Or does it get moved to "non corrupt" banks that will be safe when the Vatican Bank's assets are frozen.

I get that he is taking dynamic action. Really trying to do something to stamp out any wiff of corruption.

Except when it comes to child abuse. Or any other one of hundreds of places the RCC can apply their power for the good of the planet.

Nope..Take care of the bank. THAT is the priority.


Or they're just not posting the links on Fark for us to read:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/vatican-moves-to-try-poli sh -archbishop-josef-wesolowski-for-abuse/story-fnb64oi6-1226800961540#mm -premium
 
2014-01-16 01:10:19 PM  
Damn, didn't notice that other link was members only. Here's the other one:

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/four-new-echoes-francis-revolut io n

I'm seeing two different stories: Polish Officials saying the Vatican denied the request and the Vatican saying they didn't get a request.

The fact that the man was an ambassador would make it tricky I imagine but surely there are ways to incriminate him.
 
2014-01-16 02:02:55 PM  
Picked a bad year to leave the Pope out of the deadpool. Stay safe, Popeyman.

/damn, and he was a real-ass Christian at the post too
 
2014-01-16 02:24:31 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: You don't know if he's doing anything about the child abuse problem because something like that you wouldn't advertise it or release a press statement: imagine if they announce they're handing over info, or if they do and the police make their move on the few they *know* about, but then that leaves the others they're looking into/researching to get away, flee, destroy evidence, etc. You're not thinking of it like a criminal investigation, you're thinking of it as a simple problem that can be solved with handling of paperwork. It's a lot more complicated than that.


Actually, we know that he is doing nothing.  The day he became pope he visited Bernard Law in his palace in the Vatican.  To get advise.

Really?  Advice from the guy with the biggest reputation for shuffling around pedophile priests?

Since then, Frank has had a great PR campaign, talking about how different things should be emphasized, but no new encyclical regarding .... anything.
Is he for or against gay marriage?  Still against.   As a matter of fact, according to a Vatican clarification which he didn't disabuse, gay people are going to hell if they have sex.

What has he done?  Fired Cardinals who publicly disagreed with him (look at the new boss, same as the old boss) and excommunicated a priest who was in favor of ordaining women... (new boss, old boss).  Any pedophiles excommunicated? defrocked?  Go ahead, name one...I double dog dare you.  Any bishops fired for covering up pedophilia?  Nope, and on top of that, the guy who got out because it wasn't illegal when he did it is still a priest.   The pope CAN send a VERY strong message about that with the stroke of a pen.

But he still wants to protect the perverts who stroke little kids.

Don't believe me?   Ask the UN
 
2014-01-16 02:38:46 PM  

maddogdelta: Capo Del Bandito: You don't know if he's doing anything about the child abuse problem because something like that you wouldn't advertise it or release a press statement: imagine if they announce they're handing over info, or if they do and the police make their move on the few they *know* about, but then that leaves the others they're looking into/researching to get away, flee, destroy evidence, etc. You're not thinking of it like a criminal investigation, you're thinking of it as a simple problem that can be solved with handling of paperwork. It's a lot more complicated than that.

Actually, we know that he is doing nothing.  The day he became pope he visited Bernard Law in his palace in the Vatican.  To get advise.

Really?  Advice from the guy with the biggest reputation for shuffling around pedophile priests?

Since then, Frank has had a great PR campaign, talking about how different things should be emphasized, but no new encyclical regarding .... anything.
Is he for or against gay marriage?  Still against.   As a matter of fact, according to a Vatican clarification which he didn't disabuse, gay people are going to hell if they have sex.

What has he done?  Fired Cardinals who publicly disagreed with him (look at the new boss, same as the old boss) and excommunicated a priest who was in favor of ordaining women... (new boss, old boss).  Any pedophiles excommunicated? defrocked?  Go ahead, name one...I double dog dare you.  Any bishops fired for covering up pedophilia?  Nope, and on top of that, the guy who got out because it wasn't illegal when he did it is still a priest.   The pope CAN send a VERY strong message about that with the stroke of a pen.

But he still wants to protect the perverts who stroke little kids.

Don't believe me?   Ask the UN


I'm sorry for your reading comprehension skills and the lack of your ability to think things through all the way to the end in order to keep said cardinals and priests from knowing they will be pinched.
 
2014-01-16 03:12:47 PM  
I'm sorry for your reading comprehension skills and the lack of your ability to think things through all the way to the end in order to keep said cardinals and priests from knowing they will be pinched.

Actually, my reading comprehension is fine (spelling is another matter).

I just couldn't believe that someone with an IQ above 50 would suggest that the Pope isn't doing anything about pedophilia because he has "a secret plan" to deal with it.

Every organization I have been in, from the military to business to education has let people know what the rules are and if any expectations were changing.  He has not issued one statement to anyone, press, clergy, laity, that pedophilia is to be considered a crime and any offender or anyone covering up the offence would immediately be turned over to civil authority.

In spite of all the Andrew Greely novels you've read, there is no super secret Vatical Police Force, investigating crimes and putting bishops diagonally into Vatican jails.

Instead you have an entire organization dedicated to protecting itself, no matter how much evil it perpetrates.

Did you know, that in 2001, Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the inquisition, made a directive that every incidence of pedophilia would be reported directly to him.  EVERY INSTANCE.  How many got forwarded to civil authority. Come on, guess. I double dare you.

Then he became Pope.  And still no referrals to civil authority.

Now, he's pope emeritus, and all he has to do is make a phone call to Frank, (or Frank can call him) and then he can transfer all that information to civil authorities.

Has Frank done it yet?  go on, take a guess! I triple dog dare you!
 
2014-01-16 04:11:51 PM  

maddogdelta: What has he done? Fired Cardinals who publicly disagreed with him (look at the new boss, same as the old boss) and excommunicated a priest who was in favor of ordaining women... (new boss, old boss). Any pedophiles excommunicated? defrocked? Go ahead, name one...I double dog dare you. Any bishops fired for covering up pedophilia? Nope, and on top of that, the guy who got out because it wasn't illegal when he did it is still a priest. The pope CAN send a VERY strong message about that with the stroke of a pen.


I don't think you've ever run a business before: The guy he defrocked broke away to make his own church but still called himself catholic.

For the guy he had step down from NY was publically saying he disagreed WITH HIS BOSS. You're not allowed to do that especially in public. It's basic business.

As for the advise: No you don't 'know' what he is doing. Replace 'know' with assume, because you're making a judgement based on your cynicism and lack of any real world political experience. He asked for advise which could have been anything.

I don't understand how you can believe that 'oh well this SEEMS most logical so it has to be the truth' makes it the unfettered thing.

As for the UN: fark them on principle alone. That beucratic mess deserves nothing from any person org or country.
 
2014-01-16 04:23:45 PM  
I'm not Catholic, but I like this pope. It's a step in the right direction at least, although progress may be slower than we would like. It's a very old organization.
 
2014-01-16 04:59:03 PM  

macross87: DarkVader: fusillade762: What does God need with a bank?

Given that god is a money-making invention?  The need for a bank is obvious.

Don't forget to launder it all.


Cleanliness *is* next to Godliness...
 
2014-01-16 06:39:56 PM  

maddogdelta: Now, he's pope emeritus, and all he has to do is make a phone call to Frank, (or Frank can call him) and then he can transfer all that information to civil authorities.

Has Frank done it yet? go on, take a guess! I triple dog dare you!


Do you..*really* think it's as easy as Ratzinberg saying 'here's a list of names, go after them'? If you do then you're blind to the real world logistics of problem solving. The adult world doesn't work that way.
 
2014-01-16 08:19:30 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: maddogdelta: Now, he's pope emeritus, and all he has to do is make a phone call to Frank, (or Frank can call him) and then he can transfer all that information to civil authorities.

Has Frank done it yet? go on, take a guess! I triple dog dare you!

Do you..*really* think it's as easy as Ratzinberg saying 'here's a list of names, go after them'? If you do then you're blind to the real world logistics of problem solving. The adult world doesn't work that way.


Ratzinger. And when you're that powerful, it can be just that easy, but it will still take time for the investigations.
 
2014-01-16 08:46:34 PM  

Abacus9: Ratzinger. And when you're that powerful, it can be just that easy, but it will still take time for the investigations.


I suppose it *could* be. But auditing a company, internal or third party, is a biatch and requires a farkton of work. That kind of info probably isn't just in a desk somewhere. Willing to bet it's got to be researched and whatnot.
 
2014-01-17 02:13:40 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: Abacus9: Ratzinger. And when you're that powerful, it can be just that easy, but it will still take time for the investigations.

I suppose it *could* be. But auditing a company, internal or third party, is a biatch and requires a farkton of work. That kind of info probably isn't just in a desk somewhere. Willing to bet it's got to be researched and whatnot.


I agree, and that was my point. Frankie has the authority to deliver the order, but the investigations will take time. You can't build a serious case against someone overnight. It will take time to collect evidence.
 
2014-01-17 02:33:21 AM  

Abacus9: Capo Del Bandito: Abacus9: Ratzinger. And when you're that powerful, it can be just that easy, but it will still take time for the investigations.

I suppose it *could* be. But auditing a company, internal or third party, is a biatch and requires a farkton of work. That kind of info probably isn't just in a desk somewhere. Willing to bet it's got to be researched and whatnot.

I agree, and that was my point. Frankie has the authority to deliver the order, but the investigations will take time. You can't build a serious case against someone overnight. It will take time to collect evidence.


If only there was some way for them to conduct inquests of certain people to determine whether they were child molesters....something that they would never expect..
 
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