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2014-01-16 11:25:33 AM

here to help: An EIGHTH?! Jesus, dude. That's f*cking nothing ESPECIALLY compared to actual civilized countries.


It doesn't matter if I'm paying an eighth or a third or 1/100 - if I'm not getting what was paid for, it's a ripoff. And yet to complain is to hear a drumbeat of YOU RACIST YOU HEARTLESSMONSTER YOUHATETHECHILDRENS!!!1

And again, I do have a federal tax bill on top of the state/local taxes, which has come to an effective 15-20 percent over the years on top of the ~13% I pay to governments closer to home.

I wouldn't mind paying high taxes if I got commensurately excellent services, but I don't. And neither do the poor, who still get farked on the state and local taxes even if they're getting a break on income taxes.

So why is it again that any of us are supposed to let Uncle Sam or any other taxman have a cut if they didn't deliver as promised?
 
2014-01-16 11:34:44 AM

Gulper Eel: I wouldn't mind paying high taxes if I got commensurately excellent services, but I don't


This is a separate issue. That is a complaint about waste and mismanagement which I despise as well. That is not an excuse to erode what little social safety net is there and attack the poor for being poor. Your anger and efforts should be directed at the POLITICIANS who mismanage the money. Poor people aren't doing that to you. In fact many politicians are actively trying to trick you into thinking they are which is even slimier.

And with your adjusted number including your federal tax rate that is more what I would expect so I retract my earlier comment. I thought you meant an eighth of your income total goes to taxes. It is however still lower than many other western countries but we won't get into that.
 
2014-01-16 11:49:41 AM

Gulper Eel: It doesn't matter if I'm paying an eighth or a third or 1/100 - if I'm not getting what was paid for, it's a ripoff. And yet to complain is to hear a drumbeat of YOU RACIST YOU HEARTLESSMONSTER YOUHATETHECHILDRENS!!!1


How aren't you getting what you paid for?  When you pay taxes you are not buying anything so how again are you buying something?
 
2014-01-16 12:11:46 PM

TNel: How aren't you getting what you paid for? When you pay taxes you are not buying anything so how again are you buying something?


The bong. Put it down.

Roads, cops, Medicaid, schools, jails, parks, etcetera.
 
2014-01-16 12:14:51 PM

TNel: Gulper Eel: It doesn't matter if I'm paying an eighth or a third or 1/100 - if I'm not getting what was paid for, it's a ripoff. And yet to complain is to hear a drumbeat of YOU RACIST YOU HEARTLESSMONSTER YOUHATETHECHILDRENS!!!1

How aren't you getting what you paid for?  When you pay taxes you are not buying anything so how again are you buying something?


Now now. I'm one of the most rabidly anti neocon dudes around but it is a valid point. Taxes are supposed to go to services which are constantly getting cut. Granted due to deficits all services could be cut and current tax rates likely wouldn't cover the interest on the debts so one could argue that getting ANY services is a luxury that cannot be afforded but then society would collapse.

The issue is mismanagement and waste of which there is plenty. The conservatives could easily focus SOLELY on these issues and win elections (if they actually did something about it) but they truly have no interest in that. They are just as bad or worse than the evil "tax and spend" libruls they cry about when it comes to waste. At least with librul govs you may actually get some relevant services in return instead of it all just getting funneled into the pockets of corporations, more toys for the military and for profit prisons.

Still they are all scumbags and some real patriots with some brains, common and fiscal sense and compassion for others who cannot be bribed or coerced need to step up.

Sadly that never happens anymore and when it does they have their characters assassinated or outright ACTUALLY assassinated.

Sad world.
 
2014-01-16 12:22:31 PM

Gulper Eel: TNel: How aren't you getting what you paid for? When you pay taxes you are not buying anything so how again are you buying something?

The bong. Put it down.

Roads, cops, Medicaid, schools, jails, parks, etcetera.


You own those?!  shiat how much do I owe you for using them?  You don't own those items just like you don't own the cops and teachers that tax money pays.  Taxes entitles you to nothing.
 
2014-01-16 12:25:36 PM

here to help: Now now. I'm one of the most rabidly anti neocon dudes around but it is a valid point.


No it's not.  He uses the public infastructure which taxes pay for.  The amount of money that he has paid in over all the years probably ends up "owning" 100 feet of highway.  So cool go take it and now you are 100% responsible for all maintaince on it.  Pot holes, snow, everything.
 
2014-01-16 01:12:02 PM
TNel:

.....Taxes entitles you to nothing.

And here we have a core belief of the Democratic party.
 
2014-01-16 01:16:38 PM

Danger Mouse: And here we have a core belief of the Democratic party.


Taxes don't entitle you to anything, but, ignoring the inarguable fact of semantics, the implied meaning you intended didn't make any sense either.

So you're not even the best kind of correct.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:52 PM
Hey look, more losers arguing over the scraps left over from the wealthy elite.

Dance! Dance!
 
2014-01-16 08:20:50 PM

fusillade762: scottydoesntknow: Wait...you can use EBT cards at ATMs? What's to stop people from going to an ATM at the 7-Eleven across the street and buying it then? Or gambling? Or buying a gun?

Only certain people can get cash with them (disabled and the elderly, iirc) and it's a separate balance from the food benefits.


Not true.
 
2014-01-16 09:24:42 PM

floyddabarber: fusillade762: scottydoesntknow: Wait...you can use EBT cards at ATMs? What's to stop people from going to an ATM at the 7-Eleven across the street and buying it then? Or gambling? Or buying a gun?

Only certain people can get cash with them (disabled and the elderly, iirc) and it's a separate balance from the food benefits.

Not true.


You could provide a link instead of simply saying "NUH-UH".
 
2014-01-16 10:02:54 PM

fusillade762: floyddabarber: fusillade762: scottydoesntknow: Wait...you can use EBT cards at ATMs? What's to stop people from going to an ATM at the 7-Eleven across the street and buying it then? Or gambling? Or buying a gun?

Only certain people can get cash with them (disabled and the elderly, iirc) and it's a separate balance from the food benefits.

Not true.

You could provide a link instead of simply saying "NUH-UH".


The fact is you can't get cash from food stamps.  You can't even buy hot food with them. If you can get cash from an ATM with your EBT card then you can use it on anything that you can buy with cash.

This was true before cannabis was legal in the states where it is legal.  You could buy black tar heroin if you wanted, it just so happens that 99.8% of people who have cash benefits use them on mundane legal things like soap.

This is a NON ISSUE and just more FUD propaganda being spread because 'omg legal weeds!' + 'damn poors takin our monies!'.


"Last-place Aversion": Evidence and Redistributive Implications
  http://www.nber.org/papers/w17234
 
2014-01-17 06:47:49 AM

lewismarktwo: 99.8% of people who have cash benefits use them on mundane legal things


Citation needed.

The official number on food-stamp fraud is 1.3%...sort of. The USDA says the loss rate is 4% when you throw in government fark-ups and people lying on applications along with fraud-by-misuse. That's better than the ~10% Medicare/Medicaid fraud rate, but saying you're doing better than that is like saying your favorite ballclub is better than the Astros.
 
2014-01-17 10:11:09 AM

Gulper Eel: The official number on food-stamp fraud is 1.3%...sort of. The USDA says the loss rate is 4% when you throw in government fark-ups and people lying on applications along with fraud-by-misuse. That's better than the ~10% Medicare/Medicaid fraud rate, but saying you're doing better than that is like saying your favorite ballclub is better than the Astros.


I'd probably stick with 99% of people - with that 1.3% coming from the 1 in 200 or so that actively committing fraud doing so in a big way.  IE rather than fraud the system for the 'average' case, fake a few identities and kids and 'go big'.  Same with IRS refund fraud - millions of dollars worth of refunds directed to the same mailbox.
 
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