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(ESPN)   After their latest trade, the Boston Celtics now have 17 potential draft picks over the next 5 seasons   (espn.go.com) divider line 37
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2014-01-15 08:54:15 PM
Ohhhh, yes they do.
 
2014-01-16 12:04:47 AM
might help... 5 seasons... I'm okay with that.
 
2014-01-16 12:17:45 AM
I knew the Sixers sucked ass, but they look like the Houston Astros of the NBA from that list.
 
2014-01-16 01:39:14 AM
So more draft picks than there are slots on a roster. In other words they could pretty much totally revamp the team with nothing but draft picks.
 
2014-01-16 06:36:43 AM
And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.
 
2014-01-16 06:46:28 AM

WhyteRaven74: So more draft picks than there are slots on a roster. In other words they could pretty much totally revamp the team with nothing but draft picks.


This is like the Nazis in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade having 17 grails to choose from and we all know how that turned out.
 
2014-01-16 07:11:39 AM
"Who needs draft picks?" - James Dolan
 
2014-01-16 07:13:38 AM

WhyteRaven74: In other words they could pretty much totally revamp the team with nothing but draft picks.


The more fortunate thing for them is that they're allowed to miss on a guy.

A first-round bust isn't nearly as damaging to a franchise's long-term prospects when they have a bunch more of them lined up.
 
2014-01-16 07:27:14 AM
Those second round picks have about a 20% success rate, so they'll need a lot of them.
 
2014-01-16 07:42:52 AM

skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.


April 29 2004
Named Doc Rivers head coach.

Draft 2004
Selected forwards Al Jefferson (15th overall pick) and Justin Reed (40th overall pick) and guards Delonte West (24th overall pick) and Tony Allen (25th overall pick).

Draft 2005
Selected guards Gerald Green (18th overall pick) and Orien Greene (53rd overall pick) and forward Ryan Gomes (50th overall pick).

Draft 2006
Traded guard Dan Dickau, center Raef LaFrentz and the draft rights to guard Randy Foye to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Sebastian Telfair, center Theo Ratliff and a 2008 second-round pick; traded a future first-round pick to the Phoenix Suns for the draft rights to guard Rajon Rondo and forward Brian Grant; traded a future second-round pick to the Denver Nuggets for the draft rights to forward Leon Powe

June 28 2007
Traded guards Delonte West and Wally Szczerbiak and the 5th overall pick to the Seattle SuperSonics for guard Ray Allen and the 35th overall pick.

Draft 2007
Selected forward Jeff Green (5th overall pick) and guard Gabe Pruitt (32nd overall pick).

July 31 2007
Traded guards Sebastian Telfair and Gerald Green, forwards Ryan Gomes and Al Jefferson, center Theo Ratliff, two first-round picks and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Kevin

August 1 2007
Signed guards Eddie House and Jackie Manuel.

August 27 2007
Signed forward James Posey.

August 30 2007
Signed guard Gabe Pruitt and named Tom Thibodeau assistant coach.

Draft 2008
Selected guard JR Giddens (30th overall pick) and center Semih Erden (60th overall pick).
Traded cash to the Washington Wizards for the draft rights to forward Bill Walker.

Draft 2009
Selected guard Lester Hudson (58th overall pick).

Draft 2010
Selected guard Avery Bradley (19th overall pick) and forward Luke Harangody (52nd overall pick).

August 4 2010
Signed center Shaquille O'Neal.

August 10 2010
Signed forward Luke Harangody and waived forward Rasheed Wallace.

February 24 2011
Traded guard Nate Robinson and center Kendrick Perkins to the Oklahoma City Thunder for forward Jeff Green, center Nenad Krstic and a conditional first-round pick. Traded forward Luke Harangody and center Semih Erden to the Cleveland Cavaliers for a 2013 second-round pick. Traded guard Marquis Daniels and cash to the Sacramento Kings for a protected 2017 second-round pick. Signed center Chris Johnson to a 10-day contract.

Draft 2011
Selected guard Marshon Brooks (25th overall pick) and forward E'Twaun Moore (55th overall pick).
Traded the draft rights to guard Marshon Brooks to the New Jersey Nets for the draft rights to forward JaJuan Johnson and a 2014 second-round pick.

December 9 2011
Signed guard Marquis Daniels and centers Chris Wilcox and Greg Stiemsma and traded the draft rights to forward Albert Miralles to the Milwaukee Bucks for guard Keyon Dooling and a protected second-round pick.

Draft 2012
Selected forwards Jared Sullinger (21st overall pick), Fab Melo (22nd overall pick) and Kris Joseph (51st overall pick).

July 20 2012
Traded guard E'Twaun Moore, forwards JaJuan Johnson and Sean Williams, a 2013 second round-pick to the Houston Rockets, and forward Sasha Pavlovic to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Courtney Lee.

February 21 2013
Traded guard Leandro Barbosa and center Jason Collins to the Washington Wizards for guard Jordan Crawford.

Draft 2013
Selected forward Lucas Nogueira (16th overall pick). Traded the draft rights to forward Lucas Nogueira and two future second-round picks to the Dallas Mavericks for the draft rights to center Kelly Olynyk. Traded cash to the Indiana Pacers for the draft rights to center Colton Iverson.

July 12 2013
Traded guard Jason Terry and forwards Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and DJ White to the Brooklyn Nets for guards MarShon Brooks and Keith Bogans, forwards Gerald Wallace, Kris Joseph and Kris Humphries, the 2014, 2016 and 2018 first-round draft picks and the right to swap first-round picks in 2017.
 
2014-01-16 07:45:01 AM
He has done pretty well when he has top draft picks.  He has a good eye for talent.  They guy is obviously up to something and he should get a chance to see it through.  You fire him if it fails.

I forgot to mention signing Brad Stevens as the coach.

Here is the site I used so you can find all the bad moves I didnt include (tried to include some): http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/danny_ainge.htm
 
2014-01-16 07:46:49 AM

Lost Thought 00: Those second round picks have about a 20% success rate, so they'll need a lot of them.


Taking your numbers at face value, about 25 for a complete unit.
 
2014-01-16 08:16:58 AM
I don't understand this link because I'm pretty confident the 76ers have their 2014 and 2015 picks still.
 
2014-01-16 08:19:36 AM
Nevermind, the 6ers traded it to the Heat, but it's top 14 protected, so Boston isn't getting shiat in 2014.. and maybe not in 2015 as well.
 
2014-01-16 08:20:44 AM

MugzyBrown: Nevermind, the 6ers traded it to the Heat, but it's top 14 protected, so Boston isn't getting shiat in 2014.. and maybe not in 2015 as well.


From the Sixers, no.
 
2014-01-16 08:26:27 AM
This really isn't as awesome as it seems.  Mid first round picks are a crap shoot and 2nd round picks are practically worthless.

in 2014 they'll get their own pick and then a mid-to-late 1st round pick from Atlanta
in 2015 Their pick, a mid-to-late 1st rounder from LA and  maybe a mid 1st rounder from Philly

The only potential jackpot is in 2016.
 
2014-01-16 08:31:57 AM
They can be used as trade bait.  Don't ruin this for me!
 
2014-01-16 09:17:27 AM

skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.


Mostly this. Ainge needs to get moved up the ladder and have a new GM come in. Or at the very least get better scouting.
Sullinger can stay. Rondo will be back 100% next year. Nuke the rest from orbit

Gunny Highway: They can be used as trade bait.  Don't ruin this for me!


THAT!
 
2014-01-16 09:21:06 AM
They really should trade Rondo to someone desperate if it means they get another bunch of picks (2 1sts and a 2nd?).

They're clearly not going to be title-contending for a few years, and Rondo will be wasted there.

But hot damn will the C's be good in 3-6 years.

/ Brooklyn's unprotected picks in 2016 and 2018 are the funniest
// You think they're bad now?  Wait until everyone leaves AND THEY HAVE NO DRAFT PICKS!
 
2014-01-16 09:31:40 AM
Keep Rondo, Sullinger, Avery. Green is the 3rd best player on a good team.
 
2014-01-16 09:45:09 AM

Primitive Screwhead: skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.

Mostly this. Ainge needs to get moved up the ladder and have a new GM come in. Or at the very least get better scouting.
Sullinger can stay. Rondo will be back 100% next year. Nuke the rest from orbit

Gunny Highway: They can be used as trade bait.  Don't ruin this for me!

THAT!


Guys, that's 100% on purpose, the Grousbecks want Ainge to do this.  The NBA has a really, REALLY screwed-up model where you can't get really good unless you're really bad and get to the top of the lottery.  Trying to improve slowly from being mediocre doesn't work (see the Hawks over the last decade or so).  Blowing up a roster for a better shot at the lottery is the optimal method of rebuilding, and I don't know how you fix that.
 
2014-01-16 10:16:57 AM

UNC_Samurai: Primitive Screwhead: skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.

Mostly this. Ainge needs to get moved up the ladder and have a new GM come in. Or at the very least get better scouting.
Sullinger can stay. Rondo will be back 100% next year. Nuke the rest from orbit

Gunny Highway: They can be used as trade bait.  Don't ruin this for me!

THAT!

Guys, that's 100% on purpose, the Grousbecks want Ainge to do this.  The NBA has a really, REALLY screwed-up model where you can't get really good unless you're really bad and get to the top of the lottery.  Trying to improve slowly from being mediocre doesn't work (see the Hawks over the last decade or so).  Blowing up a roster for a better shot at the lottery is the optimal method of rebuilding, and I don't know how you fix that.


The small team size in basketball is the biggest contributor to that problem.  A megastar like Jordan or LeBron makes a much bigger difference in a game where only 9-10 guys a meaningful amount of playtime for each team and only 5 are on the court at a time.  I'm really not sure that you can do anything to change that except increase the number of players in the game at a time and that sounds like a terrible idea.
 
2014-01-16 10:20:13 AM
Any lottery-protected picks coming from the 76ers will stay with the 76ers.
 
2014-01-16 11:29:18 AM

flak attack: UNC_Samurai: Primitive Screwhead: skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.

Mostly this. Ainge needs to get moved up the ladder and have a new GM come in. Or at the very least get better scouting.
Sullinger can stay. Rondo will be back 100% next year. Nuke the rest from orbit

Gunny Highway: They can be used as trade bait.  Don't ruin this for me!

THAT!

Guys, that's 100% on purpose, the Grousbecks want Ainge to do this.  The NBA has a really, REALLY screwed-up model where you can't get really good unless you're really bad and get to the top of the lottery.  Trying to improve slowly from being mediocre doesn't work (see the Hawks over the last decade or so).  Blowing up a roster for a better shot at the lottery is the optimal method of rebuilding, and I don't know how you fix that.

The small team size in basketball is the biggest contributor to that problem.  A megastar like Jordan or LeBron makes a much bigger difference in a game where only 9-10 guys a meaningful amount of playtime for each team and only 5 are on the court at a time.  I'm really not sure that you can do anything to change that except increase the number of players in the game at a time and that sounds like a terrible idea.


Plus, the deepest drafts run like 10 players deep.

Most drafts have like 2-3 future stars (shoot, some years are lucky to have 1) and a handful of useful players. If you aren't in the lottery, the chances of getting a good player in the draft are slim (unless you are the freaking Spurs).

Plus, the free agency and salary cap rules make it hard to really improve outside of the draft. It's extremely rare for a LeBron, Dwight, or Shaq to hit free agency now. The superstars are locked up because of the cap rules and the guys outside of the rare superstars that do hit free agency are paid like superstars by their new teams but don't produce that way (like Josh Smith). Those guys kill the salary cap and get you 5 seed instead of the 8 seed.
 
2014-01-16 11:33:28 AM

Gunny Highway: I forgot to mention signing Brad Stevens as the coach.


Brad Stevens is amazing. Having to put Jordan Crawford at PG sounds like a ridiculous elimination challenge on Bravo's new show "Top Coach", yet somehow he pulled it off.

Jordan. Crawford. At point guard. Jesus.
 
2014-01-16 11:38:54 AM
And just to add more point to this thread: It's crappy to blame the GM for all of his bad moves while dismissing his good moves as 'luck'.
 
2014-01-16 11:52:06 AM

Killer Cars: Gunny Highway: I forgot to mention signing Brad Stevens as the coach.

Brad Stevens is amazing. Having to put Jordan Crawford at PG sounds like a ridiculous elimination challenge on Bravo's new show "Top Coach", yet somehow he pulled it off.

Jordan. Crawford. At point guard. Jesus.


It was awesome.  The team is playing hard and trying to win which I love.  They couldnt have a new coach come in and intentionally tank games on the floor.  Luckily, they just dont have many good players so are going to have a hard time winning games over a 82 game season.

I am not sure they have had the best player on the floor in any games this season.  They are a pretty fun team to watch.
 
2014-01-16 12:23:31 PM
No wonder they hired a college coach - all those draft picks and they'll be no different than a college team.

/At least they got the best college coach (or at least damn close to the best)
 
2014-01-16 12:42:34 PM

Cybernetic: Any lottery-protected picks coming from the 76ers will stay with the 76ers.


One would hope so. However, given how putrid the Eastern Conference is this year, and the fact that the Sixers seem bound-and-determined to not be as horrid as people thought, I'm getting afraid they'll manage to go on a mini-run at the end of the season and squeek into the 8-spot of the playoffs. Again.
 
2014-01-16 12:47:18 PM

flak attack: UNC_Samurai: Primitive Screwhead: skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.

Mostly this. Ainge needs to get moved up the ladder and have a new GM come in. Or at the very least get better scouting.
Sullinger can stay. Rondo will be back 100% next year. Nuke the rest from orbit

Gunny Highway: They can be used as trade bait.  Don't ruin this for me!

THAT!

Guys, that's 100% on purpose, the Grousbecks want Ainge to do this.  The NBA has a really, REALLY screwed-up model where you can't get really good unless you're really bad and get to the top of the lottery.  Trying to improve slowly from being mediocre doesn't work (see the Hawks over the last decade or so).  Blowing up a roster for a better shot at the lottery is the optimal method of rebuilding, and I don't know how you fix that.

The small team size in basketball is the biggest contributor to that problem.  A megastar like Jordan or LeBron makes a much bigger difference in a game where only 9-10 guys a meaningful amount of playtime for each team and only 5 are on the court at a time.  I'm really not sure that you can do anything to change that except increase the number of players in the game at a time and that sounds like a terrible idea.


Increase the number of teams, would expansion work?
 
2014-01-16 01:00:49 PM

ladodger34: And just to add more point to this thread: It's crappy to blame the GM for all of his bad moves while dismissing his good moves as 'luck'.


Damn man, don't pull any punches

If the Celtics got that lottery pick instead of picking up KG & Ray Allen, their lineup could look like this today:
Rondo
Avery Bradley
Paul Pierce
Kevin Durant
Al Jefferson
And rotate in Perk

Fun to think about
 
2014-01-16 01:06:15 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: ladodger34: And just to add more point to this thread: It's crappy to blame the GM for all of his bad moves while dismissing his good moves as 'luck'.

Damn man, don't pull any punches

If the Celtics got that lottery pick instead of picking up KG & Ray Allen, their lineup could look like this today:
Rondo
Avery Bradley
Paul Pierce
Kevin Durant
Al Jefferson
And rotate in Perk

Fun to think about


Not sure they could pay all those guys.  And Perk is a walking stiff.
 
2014-01-16 01:13:35 PM

cettin: flak attack: UNC_Samurai: Primitive Screwhead: skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.

Mostly this. Ainge needs to get moved up the ladder and have a new GM come in. Or at the very least get better scouting.
Sullinger can stay. Rondo will be back 100% next year. Nuke the rest from orbit

Gunny Highway: They can be used as trade bait.  Don't ruin this for me!

THAT!

Guys, that's 100% on purpose, the Grousbecks want Ainge to do this.  The NBA has a really, REALLY screwed-up model where you can't get really good unless you're really bad and get to the top of the lottery.  Trying to improve slowly from being mediocre doesn't work (see the Hawks over the last decade or so).  Blowing up a roster for a better shot at the lottery is the optimal method of rebuilding, and I don't know how you fix that.

The small team size in basketball is the biggest contributor to that problem.  A megastar like Jordan or LeBron makes a much bigger difference in a game where only 9-10 guys a meaningful amount of playtime for each team and only 5 are on the court at a time.  I'm really not sure that you can do anything to change that except increase the number of players in the game at a time and that sounds like a terrible idea.

Increase the number of teams, would expansion work?


I don't think so. Diluting the talent pool would make super star players have an even bigger impact it seems.
 
2014-01-16 01:42:13 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: ladodger34: And just to add more point to this thread: It's crappy to blame the GM for all of his bad moves while dismissing his good moves as 'luck'.

Damn man, don't pull any punches

If the Celtics got that lottery pick instead of picking up KG & Ray Allen, their lineup could look like this today:
Rondo
Avery Bradley
Paul Pierce
Kevin Durant
Al Jefferson
And rotate in Perk

Fun to think about


Was a little blunt huh? I just think that all GMs have good moves and bad moves on their resumes. David Kahn has drafting Kevin Love and Rubio to his credit. He also has a bunch of really awful moves that resulted in a .289 (GASP) winning percentage during his tenure.

Aside from Pierce, Ainge acquired the pieces to a championship winning team. Just like other GMs, he has made good moves and bad moves. Obviously, he made enough good moves to get the C's to the finals a couple of times.

I think at the end of the day, all we can do is judge guys based on overall results. It's awful to blame guys for the bad moves and not credit them for the good moves.
 
2014-01-16 01:44:33 PM
Oh, and I am apparently an idiot. McHale drafted Love. So Kahn gets even less credit..
 
2014-01-16 02:03:35 PM

ladodger34: Aside from Pierce, Ainge acquired the pieces to a championship winning team. Just like other GMs, he has made good moves and bad moves. Obviously, he made enough good moves to get the C's to the finals a couple of times.


Picking up Posey, Eddie House, and PJ Brown (Posey in specific) tipped the scales and made them a championship team.  Let's not forget LEON POWE's monster game either.
 
2014-01-16 06:45:58 PM

skinink: And Danny Ainge will fark up every draft pick selection he makes. Celtics really need a new GM. Ainge got lucky getting Garnett and Allen to come here but now the team is just bad.


Anyone got a TARDIS and a humidor of really good cigars?
 
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