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(io9)   Bad idea: making a movie that turns George Orwell's 1984 into a futuristic romance. Very bad idea: remaking that movie 57 years later. WTF were you thinking?: casting Kristen Stewart In the lead role   (io9.com ) divider line
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2014-01-16 12:07:15 AM  
Stewart describes "Equals" as a slightly updated version of the 1956 film "1984,"

That seems to be the key quote in every story about this I can find. Other sources say it's an original script by the guy who wrote "Moon". I mean, we all know Stewart's credentials on literary interpretation are impeccable, but I'm not sure I'm ready to buy her take on this.
 
2014-01-16 12:10:42 AM  
From the comments:
"They'll have to change it to the Two Minutes Pout."
 
2014-01-16 12:18:49 AM  
What in the chocolate covered f*ck is this asshattery?
 
2014-01-16 12:47:27 AM  

hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck is this asshattery?


doubleplusbad
 
2014-01-16 12:56:00 AM  
Jesus wept
 
2014-01-16 01:12:13 AM  
nathanmhall.com
 
2014-01-16 01:22:56 AM  
I can't wait to see her expressing the horror and revulsion of her Room 101 fate with her full range of acting skill - the "I think I smell a fart" fish-eye stare.
 
2014-01-16 01:50:01 AM  
O'Brien: You asked me once what was in Room 101.  I told you that you knew the answer already.  Everyone knows it.  The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Stewart:  Is it cheese?  I don't like cheese.
O'Brien:  No, it's not cheese.  It's worse than cheese.
Stewart:  I really don't like cheese.
O'Brien:  By itself, pain is not always enough. There are occasions when a human being will stand out against pain, even to the point of death. But for everyone there is something unendurable -  something that cannot be contemplated. Courage and cowardice are not involved. If you are falling from a height it is not cowardly to clutch at a rope. If you have come up from deep water it is not cowardly to fill your lungs with air. It is merely an instinct which cannot be destroyed. It is the same with the rats. For you, they are unendurable. They are a form of pressure that you cannot withstand, even if you wished to. You will do what is required of you.
Stewart: You said it wasn't cheese.
O'Brien:  Look, it's not cheese.  It's not anything.  This whole thing is just symbolism.  This point is that there is something so fundamentally repulsive to you that you will instinctively recoil from it.  You will betray anyone and anything without a second thought.  In that moment, we will own your very soul.
Stewart:  *blank stare*
O'Brien:  Look, it's rats, ok?
Stewart:  Cheese-eating rats?
/O'Brien beats Stewart to death with a slab of Velveeta
 
2014-01-16 02:00:29 AM  
I knew it was only a matter of time before some paranoid right wing dipshiats optioned this "classic" especially after Atlas Shrugged bombed.
 
2014-01-16 02:03:11 AM  
No

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cdn2.maxim.com

persephonemagazine.com
 
2014-01-16 02:04:44 AM  
*scans headline*

Dafuq?!


the-evan.com
 
2014-01-16 02:05:10 AM  

ScaryBottles: I knew it was only a matter of time before some paranoid right wing dipshiats optioned this "classic" especially after Atlas Shrugged bombed.


Right wingers? I know they overlook Rand's atheism but I think even today's crop would have problems ignoring Orwell's biography.
 
2014-01-16 02:06:10 AM  

Notabunny: hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck is this asshattery?

doubleplusbad

ungood
 
2014-01-16 02:07:42 AM  
When will she go away?
 
2014-01-16 02:08:08 AM  
When I was a kid and used my toys to do harm to others, they were taken away from me. You getting my subtle hint here, Hollywood?
 
2014-01-16 02:08:21 AM  
1984 is really a love story as far as the main plot is concerned.  It's a love story designed to allow the political point Orwell was trying to make go down smoother, but it's a love story nontheless, almost to the end.

/then it's about rats and betrayal.
 
2014-01-16 02:11:38 AM  
Apparently, they're working off the original story by Shia LeBeouf.
 
2014-01-16 02:18:08 AM  
What are you guys talking about? Kristen Stewart is a double-plus good actress and always has been. This will be a double-plus good movie for many reasons, but most of all because she will be in it.

/we have always been at war with eastasia
 
2014-01-16 02:20:58 AM  
Umm... 1984 IS a futuristic romance.

I fail to see the outrage here.
 
2014-01-16 02:21:47 AM  
Okay... I suspect that the movie turns out to be better than that 'article' I just read.  It reads like middle school gossip.
 
2014-01-16 02:37:12 AM  
INFLEXIBILITY IS RANGE

INDIFFERENCE IS PASSION

DULLNESS IS GLAMOUR
 
2014-01-16 02:41:43 AM  
fark everything

fark this culture that makes this kind of shiat profitable

i'm out
 
2014-01-16 02:55:30 AM  
Will Winston sparkle?
 
2014-01-16 03:07:21 AM  
Winston had a relationship in the story. That does not make it a romance novel, and to exaggerate that part of the story misses the point of the book.
 
2014-01-16 03:11:14 AM  

CarrieWhite: Will Winston sparkle?


Winston?

Winston is just a human. Winston doesn't embroil you in an unending struggle. Winston doesn't demand your loyalty. Winston can't even handle a few rats.

Winston is not... watching you.
 
2014-01-16 03:56:07 AM  
Is "pre-abortion" a word? Whoever is responsible for this project needs one, whatever it is.

Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.
 
2014-01-16 04:20:55 AM  

hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck is this asshattery?


This may be the most succinct literary review on this topic - and all that is required to cover the whole idea:) I look forward to seeing this on the movie poster;)

In seriousness, I don't think I can come up with a worse cultural idea for 2014 (or maybe EVER), than a romantic reboot of 1984. Kristen Stewart or not.

Mind you, my primary school (about a zillion years ago, yes), thought the cartoon version of Animal Farm would be a whimsical thing to show the kids. I had read the book (don't ask, nerds start early), but they wouldn't listen. The horrified sobbing started early....

/Keeps hearing the Rifftrax commentary from the one Twilight movie I have ever managed
// Line
/// LINE
 
2014-01-16 04:41:42 AM  
Fark, you are called out right here, right now.  Don't just go along with the lie that is the headline. After all that is what 1984 is all about. You didn't read the book if you think it is an outrage that 1984 is a romance.

Stop sucking. Start reading. Seriously.
 
2014-01-16 04:44:43 AM  

Mentat: O'Brien: You asked me once what was in Room 101.  I told you that you knew the answer already.  Everyone knows it.  The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Stewart:  Is it cheese?  I don't like cheese.
O'Brien:  No, it's not cheese.  It's worse than cheese.
Stewart:  I really don't like cheese.
O'Brien:  By itself, pain is not always enough. There are occasions when a human being will stand out against pain, even to the point of death. But for everyone there is something unendurable -  something that cannot be contemplated. Courage and cowardice are not involved. If you are falling from a height it is not cowardly to clutch at a rope. If you have come up from deep water it is not cowardly to fill your lungs with air. It is merely an instinct which cannot be destroyed. It is the same with the rats. For you, they are unendurable. They are a form of pressure that you cannot withstand, even if you wished to. You will do what is required of you.
Stewart: You said it wasn't cheese.
O'Brien:  Look, it's not cheese.  It's not anything.  This whole thing is just symbolism.  This point is that there is something so fundamentally repulsive to you that you will instinctively recoil from it.  You will betray anyone and anything without a second thought.  In that moment, we will own your very soul.
Stewart:  *blank stare*
O'Brien:  Look, it's rats, ok?
Stewart:  Cheese-eating rats?
/O'Brien beats Stewart to death with a slab of Velveeta


I want to have your babies, sir.
 
x23
2014-01-16 04:57:56 AM  

DrBenway: Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.


i wonder if it is the version with the "original" soundtrack?

i guess the Eurythmics version was hated by the director but that was the one i always watched ages ago on a VHS copy recorded off HBO or something. so when i bought the DVD much later i was all weirded out that it was full of totally different more generic soundtracky stuff.

i was kind of disappointed to not have the version i remembered.
 
x23
2014-01-16 04:59:40 AM  

x23: DrBenway: Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.

i wonder if it is the version with the "original" soundtrack?

i guess the Eurythmics version was hated by the director but that was the one i always watched ages ago on a VHS copy recorded off HBO or something. so when i bought the DVD much later i was all weirded out that it was full of totally different more generic soundtracky stuff.

i was kind of disappointed to not have the version i remembered.



oh. hmm. guess not on streaming at the moment. DVD-only. so probably the same one i have. boo.

http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/1984/60026934
 
2014-01-16 04:59:56 AM  
The romance was key to 1984, both because sex was a rebellious act against the Party and because the torturers in the Ministry of Love specifically wanted to make a subject beg to have their most loved person tortured in their place.
 
2014-01-16 05:08:36 AM  

DrBenway: Is "pre-abortion" a word? Whoever is responsible for this project needs one, whatever it is.

Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.


I can't believe it's been 57 years since that version.
 
2014-01-16 05:26:53 AM  

CarrieWhite: Winston had a relationship in the story. That does not make it a romance novel, and to exaggerate that part of the story misses the point of the book.


On the contrary, the love story is the entire point of the novel. It's one thing to portray a gristly, totalitarian future where you cannot be free, but to portray one where you cannot love, or even worse, cannot think -- is horrifying, and that's the big selling point of the novel. Not too many people are interested in a dry political novel about freedoms. But everyone's been in love at least once, and they would find it heart-wrenching to have that love taken from them in a way so utterly that it was as if they never loved in the first place.

We already have political systems that control what you see and hear. Orwell took it one step further and wrote of a system that can even control what say and think. Nothing belongs to you. Through constant propaganda and the telescreen and the Thought Police, even your very thoughts are not your own. And through the destruction of words and the narrowing of language in Newspeak, it gets increasingly difficult to express any abstract concepts at all. Even your autonomic impulses can be controlled, taken apart, and put together by Party orthodoxy.

The final act of breaking Winston was to get him to forsake love, to betray Julia. To prove to him that even his basic urges, his sexual desire, his longing for companionship, his need to not be alone, are all illusory and can be overwritten by Party authority. To show that even if he cannot control the way he feels, not to worry. The Party can.

The final scene in the Chestnut Cafe when they meet is filled with disaffectedness, distinterest, and awkward non-emotion. There is nothing between them. They greet each other not as ex-lovers, but as complete strangers. Their love was broken apart and eradicated, stripped from their minds like so much superfluous emotion.

I don't know if the new movie will contain anything remotely near this tragic, but to say 1984 is not a love story is missing the point completely. It is a book all about love. The love of Big Brother.
 
mhd
2014-01-16 05:37:19 AM  

Ishkur: The final scene in the Chestnut Cafe when they meet is filled with disaffectedness, distinterest, and awkward non-emotion.


Finally something where Stewart can really shine.
 
2014-01-16 05:40:58 AM  

x23: i wonder if it is the version with the "original" soundtrack?
i guess the Eurythmics version was hated by the director but that was the one i always watched ages ago on a VHS copy recorded off HBO or something. so when i bought the DVD much later i was all weirded out that it was full of totally different more generic soundtracky stuff.


The Eurythmics companion album -- ie this:

upload.wikimedia.org

Was full of souped up dance versions of the film score that they did do for the movie (as well as a few other songs inspired by it). I liked some of it, but overall I was disappointed. The movie score itself which is proper atmospheric ambiance is EXCELLENT and something I've been wanting to get my hands on for years (including that bombastic national anthem: Oceania - Tis For Thee, which was by Dominic Muldowney, not the Eurythmics).
 
2014-01-16 05:41:13 AM  

fusillade762: ScaryBottles: I knew it was only a matter of time before some paranoid right wing dipshiats optioned this "classic" especially after Atlas Shrugged bombed.

Right wingers? I know they overlook Rand's atheism but I think even today's crop would have problems ignoring Orwell's biography.


Ahahaha, they are trying to claim MLK and Lincoln are part of their legacy, why would they have any trouble with Orwell?
 
Skr
2014-01-16 05:56:01 AM  
She always seems so cold and lifeless.

media.monstersandcritics.com
 
2014-01-16 06:01:07 AM  

Boloxor the Insipid: Fark, you are called out right here, right now.  Don't just go along with the lie that is the headline. After all that is what 1984 is all about. You didn't read the book if you think it is an outrage that 1984 is a romance.

Stop sucking. Start reading. Seriously.


The romance provides the mechanism for analysis of totalitarian state. Any meaningful form of loving relationship would achieve the same ends - I even suspect examining parental love changed as significantly would hold even more horror.
 
2014-01-16 06:08:05 AM  

xria: fusillade762: ScaryBottles: I knew it was only a matter of time before some paranoid right wing dipshiats optioned this "classic" especially after Atlas Shrugged bombed.

Right wingers? I know they overlook Rand's atheism but I think even today's crop would have problems ignoring Orwell's biography.

Ahahaha, they are trying to claim MLK and Lincoln are part of their legacy, why would they have any trouble with Orwell?


Point taken.
 
2014-01-16 06:10:34 AM  

Ishkur: CarrieWhite: Winston had a relationship in the story. That does not make it a romance novel, and to exaggerate that part of the story misses the point of the book.

On the contrary, the love story is the entire point of the novel. It's one thing to portray a gristly, totalitarian future where you cannot be free, but to portray one where you cannot love, or even worse, cannot think -- is horrifying, and that's the big selling point of the novel. Not too many people are interested in a dry political novel about freedoms. But everyone's been in love at least once, and they would find it heart-wrenching to have that love taken from them in a way so utterly that it was as if they never loved in the first place.

We already have political systems that control what you see and hear. Orwell took it one step further and wrote of a system that can even control what say and think. Nothing belongs to you. Through constant propaganda and the telescreen and the Thought Police, even your very thoughts are not your own. And through the destruction of words and the narrowing of language in Newspeak, it gets increasingly difficult to express any abstract concepts at all. Even your autonomic impulses can be controlled, taken apart, and put together by Party orthodoxy.

The final act of breaking Winston was to get him to forsake love, to betray Julia. To prove to him that even his basic urges, his sexual desire, his longing for companionship, his need to not be alone, are all illusory and can be overwritten by Party authority. To show that even if he cannot control the way he feels, not to worry. The Party can.

The final scene in the Chestnut Cafe when they meet is filled with disaffectedness, distinterest, and awkward non-emotion. There is nothing between them. They greet each other not as ex-lovers, but as complete strangers. Their love was broken apart and eradicated, stripped from their minds like so much superfluous emotion.

I don't know if the new movie will contain anything re ...


wrong, the book is about Red Light Traffic cameras. I know this because I read the book once back in 8th grade.
 
2014-01-16 06:12:12 AM  

hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck is this asshattery?


This is the only comment in the thread that matters.  The rest of your comments are superfluous, as is mine.
 
2014-01-16 06:25:42 AM  

x23: x23: DrBenway: Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.

i wonder if it is the version with the "original" soundtrack?

i guess the Eurythmics version was hated by the director but that was the one i always watched ages ago on a VHS copy recorded off HBO or something. so when i bought the DVD much later i was all weirded out that it was full of totally different more generic soundtracky stuff.

i was kind of disappointed to not have the version i remembered.

oh. hmm. guess not on streaming at the moment. DVD-only. so probably the same one i have. boo.

http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/1984/60026934


I had a similar reaction when I discovered that another old favorite, The Point (animated w/music by Harry Nilsson), was no longer narrated by Dustin Hoffman but by Ringo Starr.

CarnySaur: DrBenway: Is "pre-abortion" a word? Whoever is responsible for this project needs one, whatever it is.

Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.

I can't believe it's been 57 years since that version.


I'm sure there's a very clever joke here that I'm missing, but it is a bit early... "how dare I bring up the '84 version in a thread about the '56 version"? Am I warm?
 
2014-01-16 06:32:46 AM  

Ishkur: CarrieWhite: Winston had a relationship in the story. That does not make it a romance novel, and to exaggerate that part of the story misses the point of the book.

On the contrary, the love story is the entire point of the novel. It's one thing to portray a gristly, totalitarian future where you cannot be free, but to portray one where you cannot love, or even worse, cannot think -- is horrifying, and that's the big selling point of the novel. Not too many people are interested in a dry political novel about freedoms. But everyone's been in love at least once, and they would find it heart-wrenching to have that love taken from them in a way so utterly that it was as if they never loved in the first place.

We already have political systems that control what you see and hear. Orwell took it one step further and wrote of a system that can even control what say and think. Nothing belongs to you. Through constant propaganda and the telescreen and the Thought Police, even your very thoughts are not your own. And through the destruction of words and the narrowing of language in Newspeak, it gets increasingly difficult to express any abstract concepts at all. Even your autonomic impulses can be controlled, taken apart, and put together by Party orthodoxy.

The final act of breaking Winston was to get him to forsake love, to betray Julia. To prove to him that even his basic urges, his sexual desire, his longing for companionship, his need to not be alone, are all illusory and can be overwritten by Party authority. To show that even if he cannot control the way he feels, not to worry. The Party can.

The final scene in the Chestnut Cafe when they meet is filled with disaffectedness, distinterest, and awkward non-emotion. There is nothing between them. They greet each other not as ex-lovers, but as complete strangers. Their love was broken apart and eradicated, stripped from their minds like so much superfluous emotion.

I don't know if the new movie will contain anything re ...


This is an excellent description of 1984.  I was reading this thread and seeing several people scoff at the idea of romance in the movie ... and I thought to myself, 'Self, are you reading this?  Wasn't the conflict resolved when love itself was squashed in Winston? Wasn't the line 'Give it to Julia! Not me!' the highest point in the story? Wasn't Winston's proclamation of love for Big Brother the Party's total victory, and last line of the story?' And I thought back, 'Yeah man, that's how I remember it, too. I don't know what 1984 these guys were reading. It totally could be a love story, but I hope they don't white wash it too much and change the story, like the movie adaptation of Uncle Tom's Cabin.  Let us read the thread some more.'

Then I saw your post and my faith in thread was restored.  Thanks!
 
2014-01-16 06:35:28 AM  

DrBenway: Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.


Really can't see any point in making another movie of the book - the '84 version was pretty much exactly as I'd envisioned it when I read it.  The cast were perfect - Burton's O'Brien was terrifying.
 
2014-01-16 06:45:52 AM  

vat_man: DrBenway: Thankfully, the 1984 version with John Hurt as Winston Smith (and Richard Burton as O'Brien) has just become available again on Netflix so I can, with any luck, completely shut out anything further about this.

Really can't see any point in making another movie of the book - the '84 version was pretty much exactly as I'd envisioned it when I read it.  The cast were perfect - Burton's O'Brien was terrifying.


static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-16 06:59:06 AM  
Well, what next. Oh, how about we make a film version of All Quite on the Western Front that is a slap-stick comedy! Starring Adam Sandler! No one cares about stupid WWI nazis anyway.
/Understand that 1984 is technically a love story.
//Thinks the studio will make it a sappy romance with a tacked on happy ending.
 
2014-01-16 07:12:05 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Well, what next. Oh, how about we make a film version of All Quite on the Western Front that is a slap-stick comedy! Starring Adam Sandler! No one cares about stupid WWI nazis anyway.
/Understand that 1984 is technically a love story.
//Thinks the studio will make it a sappy romance with a tacked on happy ending.


If they do, there's always the hope that they out the proper ending on the Bluray release. Like they did with I Am Legend.
 
2014-01-16 07:16:31 AM  

Mentat: O'Brien: You asked me once what was in Room 101.  I told you that you knew the answer already.  Everyone knows it.  The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Stewart:  Is it cheese?  I don't like cheese.
O'Brien:  No, it's not cheese.  It's worse than cheese.
Stewart:  I really don't like cheese.
O'Brien:  By itself, pain is not always enough. There are occasions when a human being will stand out against pain, even to the point of death. But for everyone there is something unendurable -  something that cannot be contemplated. Courage and cowardice are not involved. If you are falling from a height it is not cowardly to clutch at a rope. If you have come up from deep water it is not cowardly to fill your lungs with air. It is merely an instinct which cannot be destroyed. It is the same with the rats. For you, they are unendurable. They are a form of pressure that you cannot withstand, even if you wished to. You will do what is required of you.
Stewart: You said it wasn't cheese.
O'Brien:  Look, it's not cheese.  It's not anything.  This whole thing is just symbolism.  This point is that there is something so fundamentally repulsive to you that you will instinctively recoil from it.  You will betray anyone and anything without a second thought.  In that moment, we will own your very soul.
Stewart:  *blank stare*
O'Brien:  Look, it's rats, ok?
Stewart:  Cheese-eating rats?
/O'Brien beats Stewart to death with a slab of Velveeta


Product placement.

/Suzanna Hamilton > Kristen Stewart
 
2014-01-16 07:17:53 AM  
Meh.
 
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