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(Guardian)   It turns out there's a middle-eastern country with a stockpile of nukes that includes weapons-grade uranium stolen from a processing plant in Pennsylvania   (theguardian.com) divider line 120
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2014-01-15 08:44:49 PM
If you read Clancy's book and had any kind of a minor interest in reading about foreign policy, you know about this 40 years ago.
 
2014-01-15 10:48:56 PM
I didn't know about this until about 10 years ago.  This article has much more detail about how it happened than what I knew previously.

/which Clancy novel, barguy?
 
2014-01-16 12:20:51 AM
Milchan was not shy about using Hollywood connections to help his shadowy second career.

That's not going to be conspiracy theorist fodder, nosiree.


static.guim.co.uk

Is he wearing a jacket with no shirt?
 
2014-01-16 01:16:42 AM
It's cool, guys. We really didn't understand what the contract wanted so we just kept filling the containers with scrapple and unsold Darryl Dawkins t-shirts.
 
2014-01-16 02:35:03 AM
Contrary to the point the author is trying to make, it's pretty clear you can't trust anyone in the middle east.
 
2014-01-16 03:21:02 AM
I've known all of my life that Israel had nukes.  Is this not a normal thing to know?
 
2014-01-16 05:58:48 AM

ski9600: I didn't know about this until about 10 years ago.  This article has much more detail about how it happened than what I knew previously.

/which Clancy novel, barguy?


Sum of All Fears
 
2014-01-16 06:21:50 AM
I knew they were up to no good!
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2014-01-16 06:45:55 AM
Shalom biatches.
 
2014-01-16 06:46:34 AM
Israel has nukes?  We need to disarm this country so that it may finally coexist with its peace-loving neighbors.
 
2014-01-16 06:46:50 AM
I'm not usually one to say "I stopped reading right there", but I saw something about "The Truth" and I looked at the URL and saw the guardian and yeah I stopped reading right there.
 
2014-01-16 06:46:51 AM
www.pvtmurphy.com

It doesn't seem to matter who you are talking to in the Middle East.  (hotlinked)
 
2014-01-16 06:46:55 AM
Wait. The fact that Israel has nukes is supposed to be a secret?
 
GBB
2014-01-16 06:48:35 AM

Walker: I knew they were up to no good!

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Patrick Stewart is looking good.
 
2014-01-16 06:51:14 AM
not sure why the faux outrage at this late date. this hasn't been news in 2 generations.

and i loved the helen thomas reference. was that when they stopped calling on her?
 
2014-01-16 06:55:32 AM
That balance of power in the Middle East, along with the memories of getting their asses whipped the last time, is what has helped keep Israel from getting wiped off the map by those who openly promote murdering every Jew.

The Middle East could be a nice place if folks over there could stop finding reasons to kill each other en mass for awhile.
 
2014-01-16 06:57:25 AM
How the hell is this "spiffy"?
 
2014-01-16 07:00:00 AM
You have to learn to love "the bomb".
 
2014-01-16 07:00:03 AM
It'd be one thing if Israel were a power broker working for peace in the ME, but they're not. It's been time to radically reassess US relations with them, and I can only hope that as more and more of these revelations come to light, we'll start moving toward an official realignment.

I fully expect knee-jerk Christian pandering pressured by self-serving AIPAC reps to present the most formidable obstacle.
 
2014-01-16 07:00:50 AM

Curious: not sure why the faux outrage at this late date. this hasn't been news in 2 generations.


Apparently it's always fashionable to hate the Jews.  I try to hate everybody equally but there's just so much to go around.
 
2014-01-16 07:01:50 AM

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: How the hell is this "spiffy"?


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2014-01-16 07:06:30 AM
This is why we have to be so careful with other countries.  If places like North Korea are allowed to have nuclear material unchecked, they'll be exporting it all over the world on accident just like we are.  No doubt, we are the only ones who should be allowed to have nuclear materials.
 
2014-01-16 07:07:05 AM
Thank God it's Israel and not a terrorist country.  Got worried for a second.

These are the things I think about when I think about Israel's security.  When I consider Israel's security, I also think about a people who have a living memory of the Holocaust, faced with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iranian government that has called for Israel's destruction.  It's no wonder Israelis view this as an existential threat.  But this is not simply a challenge for Israel -- it is a danger for the entire world, including the United States.  A nuclear-armed Iran would raise the risk of nuclear terrorism.  It would undermine the non-proliferation regime.  It would spark an arms race in a volatile region.  And it would embolden a government that has shown no respect for the rights of its own people or the responsibilities of nations.

President Obama
March 21, 2013
 
2014-01-16 07:09:30 AM

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: How the hell is this "spiffy"?


Because Jesus on a raptor.
 
2014-01-16 07:10:47 AM
I was fine with it when Israel was a pro-civilization secular progressive democracy with only a mild appetite for blatant apartheid.

Now that it looks like the murderous looneytunes fundie davening troglodytes are taking over, I'm lot less comfortable. I don't trust a Chasid with a nuke any more than I trust the Taliban.


FUNNY HAT+NUKES==BAD IDEA
 
2014-01-16 07:10:59 AM

rzrwiresunrise: It'd be one thing if Israel were a power broker working for peace in the ME, but they're not. It's been time to radically reassess US relations with them, and I can only hope that as more and more of these revelations come to light, we'll start moving toward an official realignment.

I fully expect knee-jerk Christian pandering pressured by self-serving AIPAC reps to present the most formidable obstacle.


Peace in the middle east does not revolve around Israel.  Look at Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, every farking country in that region.  Okay, a few of them aren't embroiled in civil war, but there's a bit of terrorism from time to time.

If I had to live in the middle east, I'd say Israel looks like a pretty good choice.  They certainly make a better ally than Saudi Arabia.
 
2014-01-16 07:12:42 AM
"The Lord's our shepherd," says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb.
 
2014-01-16 07:16:08 AM

fusillade762: Milchan was not shy about using Hollywood connections to help his shadowy second career.

That's not going to be conspiracy theorist fodder, nosiree.


[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Is he wearing a jacket with no shirt?


Very chav-like
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-16 07:19:16 AM
For that reason, Israel's centrifuges are near-identical to Iran's, a convergence that allowed Israeli to try out a computer worm, codenamed Stuxnet, on its own centrifuges before unleashing it on Iran in 2010.

That is interesting. I had wondered how they knew so precisely what equipment to target.

Israel's nuclear-weapons project could never have got off the ground, though, without an enormous contribution from France. The country that took the toughest line on counter-proliferation when it came to Iran helped lay the foundations of Israel's nuclear weapons programme, driven by by a sense of guilt over letting Israel down in the 1956 Suez conflict, sympathy from French-Jewish scientists, intelligence-sharing over Algeria and a drive to sell French expertise and abroad.

The U.S. in 2001-2002 felt guilty about letting the Iraqi resistance down after the first Gulf War, and so we got a second.
 
2014-01-16 07:19:20 AM
Gee, does this mean we can have a frank discussion about this without critics being accused of anti semetism?
 
2014-01-16 07:20:49 AM
Does it matter? Iran with nukes is a terrible idea, Israel has shown that they can have nukes and not go mad nuking everyone. Maybe Iran would be similarly responsible with them, but more likely they won't be, and it'll spark Saudi Arabia and other countries to want to get them. It'd be nice if no one had them, but Israel does, and I don't think that's too bad. They're not a terrorist nation with a record of pandering to extremists by calling for genocide. Israel having nukes seems no worse than France having nukes.
 
2014-01-16 07:21:42 AM
Does anyone have an idea how much from US taxes gets given to Israel yearly (cash or equipment)? Or have a link?

/bitebitebitebite
 
2014-01-16 07:21:57 AM

SomeFarkinFarmgirl: How the hell is this "spiffy"?


THIS. Spiffy? Eh? Is mildly interesting I guess, but everyone has know that Israel has had a nuclear weapons capability forever.

Also, does that mean Subby approves of theft from the United States as long as its done by our allies? Or approves of the preferential treatment that Israel gets? There will never be peace in the middle east as long as the two sides cannot trust each other, and the double standards in US policy have certainly hurt any progress towards such goals.
 
2014-01-16 07:22:39 AM

Herr Morgenstern: Gee, does this mean we can have a frank discussion about this without critics being accused of anti semetism?


No of course not. Criticize Israel = you are an anti-semite who wants the country destroyed and all Jews dead. You also think it's neighbors are great and support everything they do.
 
2014-01-16 07:23:28 AM

gfid: rzrwiresunrise: It'd be one thing if Israel were a power broker working for peace in the ME, but they're not. It's been time to radically reassess US relations with them, and I can only hope that as more and more of these revelations come to light, we'll start moving toward an official realignment.

I fully expect knee-jerk Christian pandering pressured by self-serving AIPAC reps to present the most formidable obstacle.

Peace in the middle east does not revolve around Israel.  Look at Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, every farking country in that region.  Okay, a few of them aren't embroiled in civil war, but there's a bit of terrorism from time to time.

If I had to live in the middle east, I'd say Israel looks like a pretty good choice.  They certainly make a better ally than Saudi Arabia.


I read that as: "Hey, I know my buddy steals money and jewelry from me when he comes over to my place, but you should check out his pad!"
 
2014-01-16 07:23:35 AM

willfullyobscure: Now that it looks like the murderous looneytunes fundie davening troglodytes are taking over,


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2014-01-16 07:24:55 AM

willfullyobscure: I was fine with it when Israel was a pro-civilization secular progressive democracy with only a mild appetite for blatant apartheid.

Now that it looks like the murderous looneytunes fundie davening troglodytes are taking over, I'm lot less comfortable. I don't trust a Chasid with a nuke any more than I trust the Taliban.


FUNNY HAT+NUKES==BAD IDEA


imagizer.imageshack.us

Hands up anyone who thinks Israel will get a pass on this? Exactly. Now imagine if Bolivia or Laos or the Netherlands had stolen the Bomb from the US Army. Yeah, South America would suddenly have its own Great Lake.
 
2014-01-16 07:26:40 AM

Slaxl: They're not a terrorist nation with a record of pandering to extremists by calling for genocide. Israel having nukes seems no worse than France having nukes.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-16 07:27:47 AM
Stolen, or illegally purchased?  There is a difference.
 
2014-01-16 07:30:09 AM
It's a gangster nation that fetishizes its turf over all things.
 
2014-01-16 07:31:35 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Stolen, or illegally purchased?  There is a difference.



Yeah, it's all good, as long as someone was able to make some money off it.
 
2014-01-16 07:32:09 AM

Slaxl: Does it matter? Iran with nukes is a terrible idea, Israel has shown that they can have nukes and not go mad nuking everyone.


So you're saying they're mostly for defensive posturing? I can't imagine why Iran, whom Israel frequently threatens with attack, would want such things.
 
2014-01-16 07:32:33 AM
But how can we expect Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions if the Israelis won't come clean?

Uh, one's a democracy and the other is a theocracy dedicated to killing everyone who doesn't comply.  Good thing that all the useful idiots aren't just in the White House and America.  Good to see the Brits have some too.
 
2014-01-16 07:34:21 AM

bill4935: Hands up anyone who thinks Israel will get a pass on this?


WILL get a pass? They've already gotten it. The U.S. doesn't care. Israel can do no wrong. So saith the lobbyists.
 
2014-01-16 07:34:26 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Stolen, or illegally purchased?  There is a difference.


Back when this was breaking news, I'd heard it was purchased through the normal illegal channels and the U.S. government was fully aware of it. However, it's been a generation since I'd last seen anyone write about it, so we will have to wait until its breaking news again.
 
2014-01-16 07:35:34 AM

Uncle Tractor: willfullyobscure: Now that it looks like the murderous looneytunes fundie davening troglodytes are taking over,

[i560.photobucket.com image 590x768]


Ah, Albert Einstein, the noted statesman. Oh, wait....
 
2014-01-16 07:36:06 AM

NewportBarGuy: If you read Clancy's book and had any kind of a minor interest in reading about foreign policy, you know about this 40 years ago.


Done in one.
 
2014-01-16 07:38:54 AM

dfenstrate: Uncle Tractor: willfullyobscure: Now that it looks like the murderous looneytunes fundie davening troglodytes are taking over,

[i560.photobucket.com image 590x768]

Ah, Albert Einstein, the noted statesman. Oh, wait....


He took a break from yelling at clouds black holes, and there ya go.
 
2014-01-16 07:43:08 AM

NewportBarGuy: If you read Clancy's book and had any kind of a minor interest in reading about foreign policy, you know about this 40 years ago.


Which is about the point we should have put an embargo in place.  Not only shouldn't we be giving Israel aid, we should, by international law, be cutting off all trade with Israel until they give up their nuclear weapons.

The fact that every other country around Israel is one of the bad guys doesn't change the fact that Israel is one of the bad guys too.
 
2014-01-16 07:45:25 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Slaxl: Does it matter? Iran with nukes is a terrible idea, Israel has shown that they can have nukes and not go mad nuking everyone.

So you're saying they're mostly for defensive posturing? I can't imagine why Iran, whom Israel frequently threatens with attack, would want such things.


It's not about their reasons. They have perfectly good reasons for wanting them, I don't dispute that, no one does, what I say is that fark 'em, they can't be allowed to have nukes. Having nukes isn't a right that all nations have, and it's not something we should be fair about, "oh he's got one so you get one too".
 
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