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(The Verge)   James Cameron locks up actors for new 'Avatar' trilogy, will release them only when his demands are met   (theverge.com) divider line 84
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2014-01-15 08:09:17 PM  
SPOILER ALERT:

Sigourney Weaver is also listed in the cast.
 
2014-01-15 08:36:41 PM  
Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?
 
2014-01-15 08:54:23 PM  
I tried watching the Rifftrax for this, having never watched it before.

Even with the Rifftrax, I felt like I'd been watching the damn movie for days upon days by the time it was done.
 
2014-01-15 08:56:41 PM  
Oh boy

/three times the BFD
 
2014-01-15 09:03:49 PM  

Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?


I am. I didn't love the story of the first one, but I liked it well enough, and Avatar was the most impressively spectacular movie I've ever seen in theaters. Now you're telling me Cameron is devoting another 6 years to making it even better? I'm 100% in.
 
2014-01-15 09:09:10 PM  

DamnYankees: Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?

I am. I didn't love the story of the first one, but I liked it well enough, and Avatar was the most impressively spectacular movie I've ever seen in theaters. Now you're telling me Cameron is devoting another 6 years to making it even better? I'm 100% in.


Ok, fair enough, I'm not hating. I thought the first one was a very good VFX demo reel. That's more than I can say for a lot of movies.
 
2014-01-15 09:11:20 PM  

Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?


Foaming at the mouth? No. But I really enjoyed the first one (yes, I know it was blue Pocahontas in space) and I'll definitely see the next two in theaters just for the experience.
 
2014-01-15 09:11:48 PM  
It is trendy to hate Avatar, but everyone will go see it.

/LOL Fern Gully!
//LOL Pocahontas!!
 
2014-01-15 09:21:17 PM  

Hollie Maea: It is trendy to hate Avatar, but everyone will go see it.

/LOL Fern Gully!
//LOL Pocahontas!!


No, get it right. It's Dances with Wolves, Fern Gully and the Smurfs.
/hated the movie before it was popular to hate the movie.
 
2014-01-15 09:24:46 PM  

Hollie Maea: It is trendy to hate Avatar, but everyone will go see it.

/LOL Fern Gully!
//LOL Pocahontas!!


I admit I didn't see it until it came out on DVD, so I probably missed a lot just in the 3D/big screen experience points. I did think it was an incredible example of SOTA computer animation, though.

/it was just kind of a well-used old story
//maybe I'd cough up the bucks to see the next one in the theater, although I hate going there
///probably have to shoot someone for texting or something
 
2014-01-15 09:27:28 PM  

Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?


No. But you know they made 3 f*cking Hobbit movies, and JRR Tolkien fan I am, I haven't seen and have no desire to see them, mostly because I felt a corporation was trying to expand a short story for tons of money. Plus frankly the Hobbit pales in comparison to LoTR.

Also I hate James Cameron storylines. I did see Avatar and while the special fx were great, the story was annoyingly stupid.

So basically I'm not the target demographic. I can't get into most action movies anymore. Pacific Rim was interesting conceptually but terrible in every other way. I just watched the beginning of Olympus has Fallen and couldn't get past how insanely stupid it was.
 
2014-01-15 09:28:33 PM  

Mugato: DamnYankees: Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?

I am. I didn't love the story of the first one, but I liked it well enough, and Avatar was the most impressively spectacular movie I've ever seen in theaters. Now you're telling me Cameron is devoting another 6 years to making it even better? I'm 100% in.

Ok, fair enough, I'm not hating. I thought the first one was a very good VFX demo reel. That's more than I can say for a lot of movies.


That being said though, there are things I'd rather see him do with this technology. I remember reading back in 2009 that he'd thought about doing Akira Battle Angel. I haven't read that, but based on the descriptions I've read it it sounds like that story plus the technical marvel of Avatar would be amazing.
 
2014-01-15 09:47:31 PM  

Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?


Did you forget how much money the first one made? No mouth foaming is required.
 
2014-01-15 09:58:25 PM  
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For anyone who can't wait for the sequel.
 
2014-01-15 10:06:42 PM  
Didn't we whine about this already, this morning?

Oh - nope. That was AICN.

Let me summarize - two camps: one can't imagine why anybody would make multiple sequels from a highly derivative, very pretty, uninspired and simple story. The other camp gets huffy and calls it a masterpiece, says the entire universe wants to dry-hump the film, with the exception of internet hipster haters. It goes back and forth, and eventually the thread just flops to the ground, exhausted covered with goo and spent animus.

Begin....
 
2014-01-15 10:11:10 PM  
Well if other people enjoy it, fine.  I'll be skipping it, but it's not like my 20 bucks is going to make or break it.
 
2014-01-15 10:13:10 PM  

perigee: Didn't we whine about this already, this morning?

Oh - nope. That was AICN.

Let me summarize - two camps: one can't imagine why anybody would make multiple sequels from a highly derivative, very pretty, uninspired and simple story. The other camp gets huffy and calls it a masterpiece, says the entire universe wants to dry-hump the film, with the exception of internet hipster haters. It goes back and forth, and eventually the thread just flops to the ground, exhausted covered with goo and spent animus.

Begin....


Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.
 
2014-01-15 10:13:47 PM  
My favorite part of Avatar was the scene where I didn't know exactly what was going to happen next.
 
2014-01-15 10:27:58 PM  
Avatar is such a boring story. Why do we want to see a trilogy of this shiat?

I want a Battle Angel movie, dammit.
 
2014-01-15 10:31:08 PM  
Avatar needs a sequel about as much as Titanic.
 
2014-01-15 10:32:56 PM  
I'm still waiting for a Blu-Ray of the director's cut of The Abyss. Hell, I'd settle for an anamorphic DVD at this point.
 
2014-01-15 10:34:55 PM  

bdub77: So basically I'm not the target demographic. I can't get into most action movies anymore. Pacific Rim was interesting conceptually but terrible in every other way. I just watched the beginning of Olympus has Fallen and couldn't get past how insanely stupid it was.


It means you're getting old. You're not 14 anymore. At that age, you might've thought Transformers was tits. Now it's just big, loud, dumb obnoxious nonsense.

Same thing happening to me. As I get older, I care less and less about the action in an action movie and more about the motives of the characters in it. Don't get me wrong, I love action. I just think a fight scene that drags out 5+ minutes does nothing to advance the plot and progresses neither character's motivation other than they want to kill each other. I am now content with a Shakespearean "They fight. Tybalt dies." card so we can get on with the rest of the story. It's not important how Romeo kills Tybalt. The only thing that matters is that Romeo kills him. If you want to film a glorious fight scene, fine, but let's wrap it up in less than a minute*. Anything more than that is self-indulgent movie bloat and I'm getting sick of these 2.5h bladder busters.

/* with one exception: the fight scene in They Live
 
2014-01-15 10:35:03 PM  

MrEricSir: Avatar needs a sequel about as much as Titanic.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-15 10:35:36 PM  

MrEricSir: Avatar needs a sequel about as much as Titanic.


Avatar actually ends with a sequel being narratively reasonable.
 
2014-01-15 10:36:13 PM  
I liked the first one because it was basically a Roger Dean painting turned into a movie, plus the Pandora fauna was designed by Wayne Barlowe. Sure, the plot wasn't groundbreaking, but it was some grade A eye candy.
 
2014-01-15 10:40:20 PM  
This is how an Avatar sequel should play out: The humans come back four years later.

1.bp.blogspot.com

The end. Running time: Approx. 22 minutes.
 
2014-01-15 10:40:41 PM  

Ishkur: Same thing happening to me. As I get older, I care less and less about the action in an action movie and more about the motives of the characters in it. Don't get me wrong, I love action. I just think a fight scene that drags out 5+ minutes does nothing to advance the plot and progresses neither character's motivation other than they want to kill each other. I am now content with a Shakespearean "They fight. Tybalt dies." card so we can get on with the rest of the story. It's not important how Romeo kills Tybalt. The only thing that matters is that Romeo kills him. If you want to film a glorious fight scene, fine, but let's wrap it up in less than a minute*. Anything more than that is self-indulgent movie bloat and I'm getting sick of these 2.5h bladder busters.


I've basically resigned to nobody ever making a better action movie than Die Hard.
 
2014-01-15 10:44:50 PM  
It was an amazing theatergoing experience. But ive never felt the slightest inkling to buy it on blu ray to watch at home.
 
2014-01-15 10:54:01 PM  

DamnYankees: MrEricSir: Avatar needs a sequel about as much as Titanic.

Avatar actually ends with a sequel being narratively reasonable.


I'm not sure how it is reasonable if the enemy is the same.  You have basically an interstellar corporation with future mercenaries(not really all that impressive technologically but whatever) who can field larger more powerful forces.  The first movie had 2000 light to moderatly armed mercenaries against I'm not sure how many navi but larger numerically and the navi were on the verge of being stomped into the ground until the planet intervened.  A second attack would probably see orbital bombardment and other heavier weapons put into play.  A film would last a pretty short period.
 
2014-01-15 10:55:44 PM  

Ishkur: This is how an Avatar sequel should play out: The humans come back four years later.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 490x290]

The end. Running time: Approx. 22 minutes.


That is roughly what an interstellar corporation would do.  There really isn't much point to a sequel if the corporation is the enemy again.
 
2014-01-15 11:05:53 PM  
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2014-01-15 11:07:45 PM  

perigee: Let me summarize - two camps: one can't imagine why anybody would make multiple sequels from a highly derivative, very pretty, uninspired and simple story.


There are 2,782,275,172 reasons
 
2014-01-15 11:19:29 PM  

Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?


Over a billion in ticket sales worldwide?  One of the highest grossing films of all times?

Execs are tripping over themselves to get these films made.

/If you mean the audience, no, not really.
 
2014-01-15 11:21:38 PM  

Gergesa: That is roughly what an interstellar corporation would do. There really isn't much point to a sequel if the corporation is the enemy again.


It would be a great twist on the premise if the sequels have no humans at all and instead are about inter-tribal conflicts among the various Na'vi, with their competition for resources and disputes and brutal forms of warfare. It would destroy the "noble savage" mystique that the first movie spent so much time building up while simultaneously implying that they aren't any more enlightened than we are. And that all live in Universe, no matter where it is, is beholden to the same forces and physical realities and generally wants the same things.
 
2014-01-15 11:28:28 PM  

Ishkur: It would destroy the "noble savage" mystique that the first movie spent so much time building up while simultaneously implying that they aren't any more enlightened than we are


One of the curious aspects of the film is that the Navi are apparently in harmony with the planet and yet still practice warfare.  Their enlightenment as noble savages is undercut by the more gritty reality of them clearly being familiar with war.  But then again a pacifist slaughter would be a rather unsatisfying ending for audiences.
 
2014-01-15 11:33:49 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: [img43.imageshack.us image 423x600]

For anyone who can't wait for the sequel.


that's exactly what I thought about avatar too

I never understood the big fuss

was there something magical I missed?
 
2014-01-15 11:43:04 PM  

Omahawg: was there something magical I missed?


Only the special effects.  Really, there wasn't much more going for it.  I suppose someone who hasn't seen dances with wolves, fern gully, or Pocahontas might think the story was original.  I think the Chinese had the best reactions though with their sarcastic condemnations of Avatar being an allusion to the situation in China with the Chengguan kicking people out of their homes.
 
2014-01-15 11:43:09 PM  

Gergesa: Ishkur: It would destroy the "noble savage" mystique that the first movie spent so much time building up while simultaneously implying that they aren't any more enlightened than we are

One of the curious aspects of the film is that the Navi are apparently in harmony with the planet and yet still practice warfare.  Their enlightenment as noble savages is undercut by the more gritty reality of them clearly being familiar with war.  But then again a pacifist slaughter would be a rather unsatisfying ending for audiences.



My take on it was that Pandora was basically a retirement home/Disneyland for a more advanced species, who made it really really cool (super-predators, omnipresent bioluminescence, floating mountains, etc.), wired everything together, and left. Which is why the Navi have concepts far too advanced for a primitive hunter/gatherer culture such as insanity (and *cures* for same) and warfare.


I probably thought it through more than Cameron did though. Took me about five minutes after seeing Avatar.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:44 PM  

perigee: Didn't we whine about this already, this morning?

Oh - nope. That was AICN.

Let me summarize - two camps: one can't imagine why anybody would make multiple sequels from a highly derivative, very pretty, uninspired and simple story. The other camp gets huffy and calls it a masterpiece, says the entire universe wants to dry-hump the film, with the exception of internet hipster haters. It goes back and forth, and eventually the thread just flops to the ground, exhausted covered with goo and spent animus.

Begin....


Look at you with your ability to point things out while adding nothing. Adorable! ^_^
 
2014-01-15 11:50:00 PM  

DamnYankees: perigee: Didn't we whine about this already, this morning?

Oh - nope. That was AICN.

Let me summarize - two camps: one can't imagine why anybody would make multiple sequels from a highly derivative, very pretty, uninspired and simple story. The other camp gets huffy and calls it a masterpiece, says the entire universe wants to dry-hump the film, with the exception of internet hipster haters. It goes back and forth, and eventually the thread just flops to the ground, exhausted covered with goo and spent animus.

Begin....

Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.


Naah - me, I'm firmly in camp one. And that's after just watching the damned thing yesterday; I picked up a 3D blu and a monitor, and wanted to try it out. Pretty as all get out in 3D, but the biggest pile of drivel I've ever sat through. After that, I watched Prometheus, also pretty, also drivel.

But that's not going to stop people from venerating it, and others from tearing it a third Pandoran arsehole. It's a tempest in a teapot to argue about, the sequels will get made, and I'll probably end up getting them too so I can see the purdy 3D pitchures, and grousing about the crappy story to myself. But it's senseless to argue about, like nu-Trek or the lil pony thing down the page. Some despise it, some love it, and the whole discussion turns into a Tom and Jerry cartoon.
 
2014-01-15 11:54:40 PM  
Zoe Saldana is going to be two colors in the next few years: green and blue
 
2014-01-15 11:58:15 PM  

Ishkur: Gergesa: That is roughly what an interstellar corporation would do. There really isn't much point to a sequel if the corporation is the enemy again.

It would be a great twist on the premise if the sequels have no humans at all and instead are about inter-tribal conflicts among the various Na'vi, with their competition for resources and disputes and brutal forms of warfare. It would destroy the "noble savage" mystique that the first movie spent so much time building up while simultaneously implying that they aren't any more enlightened than we are. And that all live in Universe, no matter where it is, is beholden to the same forces and physical realities and generally wants the same things.


That would actually make an interesting film.

We'll never see that unfortunately.

Avatar was (maybe is, I haven't seen it in awhile) visually beautiful. The story was simplistic, but that was ok if it's a one and done.
Now with the years since the film, I have noticed that, all though it made huge money, the property itself doesn't have an EPIC feel to it.

Star Wars (as an example), Felt big. There were things that you wanted to know that weren't onscreen.
Halo (from the VG side) Felt big (at least until 4).
Even the Abyss had a bigger feel than Avatar, and the Abyss is meant to be small.

These were things that even when they weren't on air for the times between installments, your imagination could see that "There's more to the story."

Avatar, is a much simpler Aesop. There is no feeling of this world or universe having any secrets to uncover. No wondering about the whys or the history of this universe.
It's flat, and therefore boring.

Cameron going to that well again? I can't see what they could do story wise to justify it.
 
2014-01-16 12:03:47 AM  

Virtual Pariah: Cameron going to that well again? I can't see what they could do story wise to justify it.


Disney just broke ground on a "Avatar Land" at Animal Kingdom.
 
2014-01-16 12:04:59 AM  

DamnYankees: Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie?

I am. I didn't love the story of the first one, but I liked it well enough, and Avatar was the most impressively spectacular movie I've ever seen in theaters. Now you're telling me Cameron is devoting another 6 years to making it even better? I'm 100% in.


I couldn't agree with you more. I don't go to see a ton of movies in theatres but Avatar blew me away.
It's going to be interesting to see what he does next with it as he's most likely going to try & outdo himself.
I can't wait.
 
2014-01-16 12:07:48 AM  

optikeye: Virtual Pariah: Cameron going to that well again? I can't see what they could do story wise to justify it.

Disney just broke ground on a "Avatar Land" at Animal Kingdom.


I'm sure they did. The 1st one has shown there was money to be made.

But, it still isn't an interesting universe. I'm almost expecting Avatar 2 to see a significant drop in sales after the 1st week.
The effects are old hat now. This property has to stand on story and that's weak in Avatar 1.
 
2014-01-16 12:13:06 AM  
There were hints that the natives in Avatar are a post singularity society. They can do consciousness transfer and upload the memories of the dead. They can sync consciousness with animals. Clarke said "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". Think about that saying and think about the world of Avatar. Any sufficiently advanced society is going to be equally incomprehensible. We've seen but a small slice of that world, but the hints are that there's a lot more going on than a bunch of primitives running through the jungle riding the occasional dragon like thing.

Cameron said that he chose the simple story over the more complex one simply because it's more accessible - like Lucas choosing to develop the A New Hope part of the story because it was the most commercial.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:00 AM  
DamnYankees * * Smartest * Funniest 2014-01-15 09:03:49 PM Mugato: Is anyone really foaming at the mouth for another Avatar movie? I am. I didn't love the story of the first one, but I liked it well enough, and Avatar was the most impressively spectacular movie I've ever seen in theaters. Now you're telling me Cameron is devoting another 6 years to making it even better? I'm 100% in.
=============================================

I thought it was a great movie.

I don't know if I'll like the sequels, but honestly, when James Cameron does shiat he does it freaking right. That man has, in my opinion, not made a single bad movie in his entire career.
 
2014-01-16 12:15:44 AM  
CSB: I watched Avatar in 3D at the cinema with a bunch of my mates, we had all swallowed some of the finest psychedelic mushrooms for the occasion. Best movie experience of my life!
 
2014-01-16 12:17:05 AM  

Virtual Pariah: Avatar, is a much simpler Aesop. There is no feeling of this world or universe having any secrets to uncover. No wondering about the whys or the history of this universe.
It's flat, and therefore boring.


This is why I so much wanted Cameron to do Battle Angel.

The anime is only two episodes, but it's such a fascinating and fleshed out world that cries for more stories to be told in and about it. I know there's been some manga spinoffs, but the fact that this world and it's characters are not taken to the screen more often is a god damn crime.
 
2014-01-16 12:22:39 AM  

narkor: like Lucas choosing to develop the A New Hope part of the story because it was the most commercial.


When A "New Hope" first came out; there was no plans for additional movies, or backstories etc. It was a stand alone film.
 The first prints don't list "Episode IV" in the scroll.That was tacked on after opening week. In fact when it was first released it was only shown in a handful of cities; they quickly made other prints to show and added Ep IV.
 
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