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(Major League Baseball)   Los Angeles Dodgers sign Clayton Kershaw to a 7-year, $215 million contract, meaning he will make more money per year than the entire Houston Astros roster. (That's not a joke.)   ( mlb.mlb.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Clayton Kershaw, Astros, Dodgers, Greg Maddux, A.J. Ellis, Chad Billingsley, left-handed, Sandy Koufax  
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2014-01-16 01:18:30 AM  
2 votes:

Prairie Phoenix: Players get millions because they make the owners billions.
Period.


This.

I always find it odd that people will complain about athletes getting paid a lot, but not complain about actors getting paid a lot.
2014-01-15 09:19:24 PM  
2 votes:
The entire Astros batting lineup last year had a WAR of 5.4 and the pitchers were 3.2. Kershaw's pitching WAR last year was 7.8 and his hitting WAR was .5.

He LITERALLY is worth more than the Astros team.
2014-01-16 03:39:40 PM  
1 vote:

ElwoodCuse: MLB revenue was over $8 billion last year. I think they'll manage.


The same type of person that complains about Kershaw's contract is the same kind of person who thinks welfare benefits will break the federal bank. In other words, the type of person who sucks at math, especially large numbers.
2014-01-16 01:49:26 PM  
1 vote:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: DamnYankees: Beerguy: bigpeeler: Screw professional sports. Seriously. The money is out of control. So are the agents. Oy vey.

EXACTLY!

You know that there are all kinds of conversations taking place with the blue collar folks that work at the ball parks like, "well, there isn't money in the budget for anything more than a 2% raise and we going to have to increase the amount coming out of your check for insurance".

Yeah, because your are paying ONE GUY OVER 30 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

So you both support the people who own the Dodgers making this money instead? Management over labor?

I don't know what to think anymore. I used to think the players were getting over on the owners, then I realized that the owners make a killing as well, and both of them are doing so on the backs of Joe Blow just looking to find a diversion from the mundane nature of a typical job.

Then I do the math, and try as I might I can't hold back the outrage. Let's say this guy pitches in a 5-man rotation, and he throws 125 pitches a game (reasonable in today's risk-averse pitch-count game). He will therefore start 32, maybe 33 games barring injury, not counting playoffs. He will therefore throw about 4000 pitches in games. That equates to $7678 and change per pitch.

Every time you see him throw the ball next year he will make 7Gs. In a single at-bat that goes to a full count he will exceed the median household income of the population of the United States.

That is a tragedy. A genuine tragedy. Worse yet, the owners are making more than that, else they wouldn't be able to afford to pay such a salary.

It's enough that we see CEOs making 200 times the wage of their lowest-paid workers, which we find to be reprehensible. Now we are faced with the reality that we are so invested in sports that we will actually cheer this guy with every pitch.

It gets harder to ignore every year. It's easier to swallow in football because they have a salary cap, but it's still a bitter pill when you do you ...


You have three options as to who gets the TV money:
1) The owner of the team
2) The players who actually bring in the money
3) The TV networks
2014-01-16 01:45:50 PM  
1 vote:

bigpeeler: Screw professional sports. Seriously. The money is out of control. So are the agents. Oy vey.


Most of the money comes from TV contracts in US pro sports.  That originates in advertising revenues which are competitively bid out, maximizing their receipt.  The money is going to go somewhere.  You basically have three options:

1) The money goes to ownership
2) The money goes to labor
3) The money goes to the TV broadcast companies

People who complain about pro athletes making too much money are really just arguing that labor should make less and corporations should make more.
2014-01-16 12:55:00 PM  
1 vote:

Beerguy: The owners need to get together and collectively agree to a reasonable salary cap.


The owners cannot do this. They are bound by the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between themselves (the 30 Major League Clubs) and the players union (Major League Baseball Players Association). What you have suggested is called "collusion" and is a violation of the CBA which specifically forbids collusion and was, in large part, created to prevent collusion both by the Clubs and by the players.

This is the language from the agreement addressing collusion:
"Players shall not act in concert with other Players and Clubs shall not act in concert with other Clubs."
2014-01-16 09:21:58 AM  
1 vote:

frozenhotchocolate: Professional athletes getting paid is not news. Whether or not to put a salary cap in place is what I think should be debated.

Houston is a joke. For being statistically and economically a large market, for them to spend so little is whats wrong with mlb ownership. Detroit, which is not a small market but supposedly economically lagging still spends, why can't Houston.

At least Miami is understandable considering the fact that half south Florida is a third world shanty town.


Houston is in rebuilding mode and doing it in a financially responsible way. They are fairly loaded with prospects in the lower minors and will be good in 5-7 years. You go through lean times to sustain longer term success.

The Cardinals of the late 80s and early 90s are a prime example. Now look at their last decade. 4 world series appearances and 2 world series wins since 2004. Mostly built from within and by the guy that is the GM for Houston now.

It isn't just about spending money... it is about spending it wisely. As dumb as it might sound Clayton, just entering his prime, is worth every penny of that new contract. Also don't forget that LA is only on the hook for 5 years with the out clause.
2014-01-16 09:18:29 AM  
1 vote:
WinoRhino:

No, I think I understood your point. I even said I didn't blame him. But I think you missed my point. These types of priorities in a society cause problems in the long term*. Sports doesn't exist in a vacuum. When the team goes to buy a new stadium, a large portion of it is typically public-funded. Here's a link so you can see just how much. So the ordinary people working hard for ordinary salaries end up paying taxes that go to finance a stadium so that the sports team can make other-worldly profits and pay one player $30m per year. Tax money also goes to throw them a parade when they win. Hooray! You got paid a ridiculous amount of cash and won a championship in the stadium that we helped build for you! Meanwhile I work in a public school system and fight for every dollar I can get to upgrade computers and networking infrastructure. So, yeah, it does matter to me a little bit. But like I said, I don't begrudge him his salary. And I won't be a hypocrite and say I would turn it down if I had that chance. But it is completely out of whack in our society. And again-- if you can't see that you're a fool.

*What evidence or rational do you have for this?

Also, Dodgers Stadium was constructed using private funds in 1962. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodger_Stadium so I am really struggling to find what tax payer money was spent on this stadium instead of "to kill a mocking bird" for suzy in your first hour class.

Do you realize how much money professional sports team make cities? How are these tax funded stadiums justified? The team contributes a ton of money to a cities bottom line.

Answer me, how much should Clayton earn a year?
2014-01-16 08:47:35 AM  
1 vote:

WinoRhino: great_tigers: Whole lot of butt hurt in here. How much are you worth?
What ever someone is willing to pay you. Every single one of you would have signed the deal for the same bump in pay. It amazes me that people spend time complaining about what others earn and are worth instead of earning money for themselves.Good for Clayton, hopefully he can do some good with it.

Here we go. It was only a matter of time before the myopic-posting-as-pragmatists came around.

No one is butt hurt. No one said they wouldn't get theirs if they could. But while signing on the X and making $30m per year, I would certainly be under no impression that I was "worth" that much. You can suggest that, yes, he is "worth" that much because his talent wins games, and winning games makes money for the team. But I think other people, especially Adolph Oliver Nipples, are speaking about a broader sense. Being a baseball player is not worth $30m per year. Once every 5-6 days this guy throws a ball for a couple hours. Within the sport of baseball and the current level of salaries and the rest of the context that surrounds it, sure, you can say he "deserves it." But fans aren't in that world. I'm not. I see a guy making $30m per year, more money than he will ever possibly need in multiple lifetimes, while people doing more important work with equally unique skill sets make the tiniest fraction of it. I don't blame him for it. But if you don't see it as completely asinine in the broader sense then you're a fool.


What should he be paid then?

20 million?
10 million?


Should every fire fighter be paid 30 million? Should every peace corps employee make five million?

Further more, you're missing MY point. Why do you care what other people earn?
2014-01-16 07:57:03 AM  
1 vote:
Whole lot of butt hurt in here. How much are you worth?
What ever someone is willing to pay you. Every single one of you would have signed the deal for the same bump in pay. It amazes me that people spend time complaining about what others earn and are worth instead of earning money for themselves.Good for Clayton, hopefully he can do some good with it.
2014-01-16 04:53:06 AM  
1 vote:
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That is a huge contract for a pitcher. Kershaw has the crazy talent, build, youth, and work ethic to be great over the next seven years - and it is a huge risk. It doesn't take much to screw up a pitcher.
(If there's any pitcher out there right now who is even remotely worth it, it's Kershaw.)

The high salaries paid to ball players are the result of collective bargaining between the team owners and the player's union. At any given point in time there are less than a thousand major league players and they are generating a huge amount of revenue (MLB revenues topped $8 billion last year) and the players get a big chunk of that.

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Two average Joes who each have two Cy Young Awards.
2014-01-16 03:17:29 AM  
1 vote:
MLB revenue was over $8 billion last year. I think they'll manage.

PS: you know why ticket and concession prices are high? Because people are buying them.

frozenhotchocolate: Houston is a joke. For being statistically and economically a large market, for them to spend so little is whats wrong with mlb ownership


The Astros are in a much-needed slash and burn complete rebuild. There's no point in them spending money yet. If they are still fielding a $25 million team in two years, then complain.
2014-01-16 02:11:35 AM  
1 vote:
ITT: People complain when the free market works properly.
2014-01-16 02:02:47 AM  
1 vote:
As ginormous contracts go, though, this is less awful than most.
2014-01-16 01:25:48 AM  
1 vote:
ongbok:
I always find it odd that people will complain about athletes getting paid a lot, but not complain about actors getting paid a lot.

Right? How much does Clooney get paid to show up and act like George Clooney for three weeks? Like $15 million?
2014-01-16 01:02:54 AM  
1 vote:
Players get millions because they make the owners billions.
Period.
2014-01-16 12:04:33 AM  
1 vote:

bronyaur1: The entire Astros batting lineup last year had a WAR of 5.4 and the pitchers were 3.2. Kershaw's pitching WAR last year was 7.8 and his hitting WAR was .5.

He LITERALLY is worth more than the Astros team.


8.6 total for the Astros and 8.3 total for Kershaw. I get what you mean, but you whiffed on the 'literally'.
2014-01-15 11:48:37 PM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: Beerguy: bigpeeler: Screw professional sports. Seriously. The money is out of control. So are the agents. Oy vey.

EXACTLY!

You know that there are all kinds of conversations taking place with the blue collar folks that work at the ball parks like, "well, there isn't money in the budget for anything more than a 2% raise and we going to have to increase the amount coming out of your check for insurance".

Yeah, because your are paying ONE GUY OVER 30 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

So you both support the people who own the Dodgers making this money instead? Management over labor?


I don't know what to think anymore. I used to think the players were getting over on the owners, then I realized that the owners make a killing as well, and both of them are doing so on the backs of Joe Blow just looking to find a diversion from the mundane nature of a typical job.

Then I do the math, and try as I might I can't hold back the outrage. Let's say this guy pitches in a 5-man rotation, and he throws 125 pitches a game (reasonable in today's risk-averse pitch-count game). He will therefore start 32, maybe 33 games barring injury, not counting playoffs. He will therefore throw about 4000 pitches in games. That equates to $7678 and change per pitch.

Every time you see him throw the ball next year he will make 7Gs. In a single at-bat that goes to a full count he will exceed the median household income of the population of the United States.

That is a tragedy. A genuine tragedy. Worse yet, the owners are making more than that, else they wouldn't be able to afford to pay such a salary.

It's enough that we see CEOs making 200 times the wage of their lowest-paid workers, which we find to be reprehensible. Now we are faced with the reality that we are so invested in sports that we will actually cheer this guy with every pitch.

It gets harder to ignore every year. It's easier to swallow in football because they have a salary cap, but it's still a bitter pill when you do your taxes and fine out that you and your wife, with degrees, made only a little over $50,000 last year combined, and in 2014 that's something to be happy about because at least you're both employed.

Sorry for the sermon, guys. It's just something that's been bugging me of late, and this just crystallized it.
2014-01-15 11:36:48 PM  
1 vote:

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Beerguy: DamnYankees: Beerguy: bigpeeler: Screw professional sports. Seriously. The money is out of control. So are the agents. Oy vey.

EXACTLY!

You know that there are all kinds of conversations taking place with the blue collar folks that work at the ball parks like, "well, there isn't money in the budget for anything more than a 2% raise and we going to have to increase the amount coming out of your check for insurance".

Yeah, because your are paying ONE GUY OVER 30 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

So you both support the people who own the Dodgers making this money instead? Management over labor?

I guess you didn't read into my statement very well.

You don't see the other option?

How about something like this:   Lets say they pay him 10 mil a year (still ridiculous) instead of 30, and lets say they take that other 20 mil and distribute it to all of the people who work for the Dodgers. So, the groundscrew, the custodians, the concessions people, etc. get a nice raise.

Is that not an option?

No, because someone else would pay him.


And b/c of that, wins go down, attendance goes down, concessions go down, ratings go down, Dodgers TV channel subscriber numbers and fees go down, and all those grounds crew, ushers, and peanut guys get laid off anyway. Now if you want to talk about the stuffed suit owners, the best of whom nod their heads and write checks, then I'd agree w/ you. Just ask Jimmy Buss, Frank McCourt, Bruce McNall, or Jorge Vergara.
2014-01-15 11:26:33 PM  
1 vote:

Beerguy: DamnYankees: Beerguy: bigpeeler: Screw professional sports. Seriously. The money is out of control. So are the agents. Oy vey.

EXACTLY!

You know that there are all kinds of conversations taking place with the blue collar folks that work at the ball parks like, "well, there isn't money in the budget for anything more than a 2% raise and we going to have to increase the amount coming out of your check for insurance".

Yeah, because your are paying ONE GUY OVER 30 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

So you both support the people who own the Dodgers making this money instead? Management over labor?

I guess you didn't read into my statement very well.

You don't see the other option?

How about something like this:   Lets say they pay him 10 mil a year (still ridiculous) instead of 30, and lets say they take that other 20 mil and distribute it to all of the people who work for the Dodgers. So, the groundscrew, the custodians, the concessions people, etc. get a nice raise.

Is that not an option?


No, because someone else would pay him.
2014-01-15 08:52:28 PM  
1 vote:
Pencil in 2016 for when we get to start gloating over the Dodgers paying 30 mil a year to a guy with a blown-out arm and a 12-15 record.
 
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