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(NPR)   Attention unemployed people: We in Congress totes want to help out with that whole "extending unemployment benefits" thing, but gosh, we've got a recess coming up. We'll get back to after we're rested up from all this budget passing, mmkay?   ( npr.org) divider line
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2014-01-15 04:20:12 PM  
At least in our recess, the teachers made sure we went around and played rather than just sit and do nothing.

Maybe we can make them play dodgeball.
 
2014-01-15 04:20:27 PM  
Congress, polling just above ass cancer, and just below the death of a loved one.
 
2014-01-15 04:20:34 PM  
Hurry up. It's cold here in Greenland.
 
2014-01-15 04:20:42 PM  
Putting aside the jobs thing for a moment, why do these people who don't do dick in the first place, get so much time off? From doing dick?
 
2014-01-15 04:22:16 PM  
I used to feel a slight pressure; now i hardly feel it at all
 
2014-01-15 04:23:11 PM  
How many of the affected group of unemployed will still vote for Republicans in the Fall?
I bet way too many than logic would predict.
Republicans are in power because of stupid people voting to hurt themselves.
 
2014-01-15 04:24:15 PM  
This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but honestly...unemployment isn't supposed to last forever.  99 weeks is insane.  The extension put in place a few years ago was meant to be temporary to begin with.
 
2014-01-15 04:25:27 PM  

rjakobi: At least in our recess, the teachers made sure we went around and played rather than just sit and do nothing.

Maybe we can make them play dodgeball.


With water balloons.

Filled with fresh water from the mountain streams of West Virginia.
 
2014-01-15 04:26:46 PM  

joness0154: This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but honestly...unemployment isn't supposed to last forever.  99 weeks is insane.  The extension put in place a few years ago was meant to be temporary to begin with.


The republican congress has been to focused on jobs to worry about this.
 
2014-01-15 04:28:46 PM  
174,000.00 is peanuts for the hard work & dedication these fine Americans have for their job.
 
2014-01-15 04:28:57 PM  
And then the American proletariat finally had enough, and marched on Washington and all the state capitols, and hauled the bastards out into the streets, where they were beaten within an inch of their lives with stones and rubber hoses and the breakfast cereals, and then the people decided to elect a new set of representatives that all agreed that private ownership of the means of production was problematic and lead to politicians being bought.
 
2014-01-15 04:32:04 PM  
The headlines tell the story:

- "Hopes Dim For Long-Term Extension To Jobless Benefits." (All Things Considered)

- "Senate Blocks Jobless Aid." (Politico)

- "Extending unemployment benefits stumbles in Senate." (CNN)

- "Jobless Aid Extension Stalls In Senate." (The Hill)

- "Unemployment benefits won't be extended until at least late January as Senate deadlocks." (The Washington Post)


The headlines do not tell the story. And the AP's clip doesn't either.
 
2014-01-15 04:33:42 PM  
This is really just congress being temporarily unemployed for a few days to be able to sympathize better with the people who will be affected by their ruling. Which means their decision will be even better then if they skipped the recess.
 
2014-01-15 04:34:18 PM  
Can't we just pay for it by defunding ACORN a few more times.
 
2014-01-15 04:35:07 PM  
Good.

I hope that recess last forever.

But, just in case, I do want to go on the record as saying that I think it is a totally good idea to pay people to do nothing forever. Just look at the rewards we've reaped from welfare.

Actually, people should make MORE money on unemployment, and the benefits should never expire. Those people lucky enough to have jobs can foot the bill. After all, the only reason they have a job at all is luck, not any kind of talent or hard work. So why should they be rewarded for nothing but luck, where an equally hard-working (except that he doesn't work) and smart individual has to stay home and be paid to do nothing. Clearly the best policy is to take from those who work, and give to those who do not so that it is fair.
 
2014-01-15 04:37:48 PM  

SevenizGud: Good.

I hope that recess last forever.

But, just in case, I do want to go on the record as saying that I think it is a totally good idea to pay people to do nothing forever. Just look at the rewards we've reaped from welfare.

Actually, people should make MORE money on unemployment, and the benefits should never expire. Those people lucky enough to have jobs can foot the bill. After all, the only reason they have a job at all is luck, not any kind of talent or hard work. So why should they be rewarded for nothing but luck, where an equally hard-working (except that he doesn't work) and smart individual has to stay home and be paid to do nothing. Clearly the best policy is to take from those who work, and give to those who do not so that it is fair.


You are really not at all good at this.
 
2014-01-15 04:38:17 PM  

Mugato: Putting aside the jobs thing for a moment, why do these people who don't do dick in the first place, get so much time off? From doing dick?


...but enough about the unemployed.
 
2014-01-15 04:38:17 PM  

joness0154: This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but honestly...unemployment isn't supposed to last forever.  99 weeks is insane.  The extension put in place a few years ago was meant to be temporary to begin with.


Exactly we need these people to fall off unemployment, so we can quit counting them in the numbers and lower our unemployment percentage.

Depending on how you measure it "real" unemployment is running around 20-25%.
 
2014-01-15 04:40:30 PM  

SevenizGud: Good.

I hope that recess last forever.

But, just in case, I do want to go on the record as saying that I think it is a totally good idea to pay people to do nothing forever. Just look at the rewards we've reaped from welfare.

Actually, people should make MORE money on unemployment, and the benefits should never expire. Those people lucky enough to have jobs can foot the bill. After all, the only reason they have a job at all is luck, not any kind of talent or hard work. So why should they be rewarded for nothing but luck, where an equally hard-working (except that he doesn't work) and smart individual has to stay home and be paid to do nothing. Clearly the best policy is to take from those who work, and give to those who do not so that it is fair.


everybody has the exact same life as me, same history as me & is exactly the same as me! and i'm great! why aren't they making the same decisions as i do!?
 
2014-01-15 04:43:17 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: joness0154: This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but honestly...unemployment isn't supposed to last forever.  99 weeks is insane.  The extension put in place a few years ago was meant to be temporary to begin with.

Exactly we need these people to fall off unemployment, so we can quit counting them in the numbers and lower our unemployment percentage.

Depending on how you measure it "real" unemployment is running around 20-25%.


U6 is at 13%
 
2014-01-15 04:43:33 PM  

joness0154: 99 weeks is insane.


So is five consecutive years of 7%+ unemployment.
 
2014-01-15 04:46:28 PM  

joness0154: Slaves2Darkness: joness0154: This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but honestly...unemployment isn't supposed to last forever.  99 weeks is insane.  The extension put in place a few years ago was meant to be temporary to begin with.

Exactly we need these people to fall off unemployment, so we can quit counting them in the numbers and lower our unemployment percentage.

Depending on how you measure it "real" unemployment is running around 20-25%.

U6 is at 13%



But U6 does count those lazy ass toddlers who are in daycare all day instead of getting a damn job.
 
2014-01-15 04:47:23 PM  
To me, what seems to drive the "makers" is the understanding-whether or not they would ever, ever admit to it-that they are just one bad life event away from being "takers", themselves.  And that the more opportunities they give the "takers" to catch up, the more narrow that gap becomes.  Because none of them are moving up into the 1%, themselves, any time soon.
 
2014-01-15 04:51:06 PM  
Congress needs to be forcibly held down and force-fed dog shiat.
And this activity needs to be broadcast live on PBS.
 
2014-01-15 04:53:29 PM  

capn' fun: To me, what seems to drive the "makers" is the understanding-whether or not they would ever, ever admit to it-that they are just one bad life event away from being "takers", themselves.  And that the more opportunities they give the "takers" to catch up, the more narrow that gap becomes.  Because none of them are moving up into the 1%, themselves, any time soon.


More libbotard lies.

1. God would never let an honest maker become a taker, thats why he made them makers to begin with. DUH.

2. Makers are better then takers, thats why they are makers.

3. Furthermore, reasons!
 
2014-01-15 04:54:37 PM  
I think it's time that we faced facts as a nation. There aren't enough good jobs for full employment and there aren't going to be. We need to figure out what to do with people who are unable to find work because leaving them to starve or turn to crime isn't going to be a stable long term solution.

It's honestly cheaper to pay somebody $20K/year to smoke pot and play xbox than to wait for them to commit a crime out of desperation and then incarcerate them.
 
2014-01-15 04:54:50 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Congress needs to be forcibly held down and force-fed dog shiat.
And this activity needs to be broadcast live on PBS.


2 Great Danes, 1 Congress
 
2014-01-15 04:54:54 PM  

SevenizGud: Good.

I hope that recess last forever.

But, just in case, I do want to go on the record as saying that I think it is a totally good idea to pay people to do nothing forever. Just look at the rewards we've reaped from welfare.

Actually, people should make MORE money on unemployment, and the benefits should never expire. Those people lucky enough to have jobs can foot the bill. After all, the only reason they have a job at all is luck, not any kind of talent or hard work. So why should they be rewarded for nothing but luck, where an equally hard-working (except that he doesn't work) and smart individual has to stay home and be paid to do nothing. Clearly the best policy is to take from those who work, and give to those who do not so that it is fair.


Why don't you go back to lying about global warming? At least you had youur shiatty chart.
 
2014-01-15 04:56:51 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Depending on how you measure it "real" unemployment is running around 20-25%.



Depending on how I measure it, my dick is 14 feet long.
 
2014-01-15 05:02:06 PM  
I say extend the UEC to zero weeks and make them all pay it back! Best move.

/time to starve & deplete the surplus population. HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHA!
 
2014-01-15 05:05:54 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I think it's time that we faced facts as a nation. There aren't enough good jobs for full employment and there aren't going to be. We need to figure out what to do with people who are unable to find work because leaving them to starve or turn to crime isn't going to be a stable long term solution.

It's honestly cheaper to pay somebody $20K/year to smoke pot and play xbox than to wait for them to commit a crime out of desperation and then incarcerate them.


I disagree 100%.

Americans are, for the most part, lazy.  There's plenty of jobs, it's just that no one wants to move to take a job, take a job doing hard manual labor, or take a job with a paycut.
 
2014-01-15 05:06:18 PM  
Oh look, another Libotomitards wet-dream
 
2014-01-15 05:09:53 PM  

joness0154: There's plenty of jobs


No, there is not.
 
2014-01-15 05:11:04 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: joness0154: There's plenty of jobs

No, there is not.


But there's been a "Now Hiring" sign in the window of Domino's Pizza for weeks now!
 
2014-01-15 05:11:11 PM  

joness0154: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I think it's time that we faced facts as a nation. There aren't enough good jobs for full employment and there aren't going to be. We need to figure out what to do with people who are unable to find work because leaving them to starve or turn to crime isn't going to be a stable long term solution.

It's honestly cheaper to pay somebody $20K/year to smoke pot and play xbox than to wait for them to commit a crime out of desperation and then incarcerate them.

I disagree 100%.

Americans are, for the most part, lazy.  There's plenty of jobs, it's just that no one wants to move to take a job, take a job doing hard manual labor, or take a job with a paycut.


The solution falls in the middle of these two thoughts. How we get there is the problem as not everybody wants to have rational discussions about these issues.
 
2014-01-15 05:12:29 PM  

joness0154: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I think it's time that we faced facts as a nation. There aren't enough good jobs for full employment and there aren't going to be. We need to figure out what to do with people who are unable to find work because leaving them to starve or turn to crime isn't going to be a stable long term solution.

It's honestly cheaper to pay somebody $20K/year to smoke pot and play xbox than to wait for them to commit a crime out of desperation and then incarcerate them.

I disagree 100%.

Americans are, for the most part, lazy.  There's plenty of jobs, it's just that no one wants to move to take a job, take a job doing hard manual labor, or take a job with a paycut.


Spoken like a true asshole, you asshole.
 
2014-01-15 05:14:01 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Slaves2Darkness: Depending on how you measure it "real" unemployment is running around 20-25%.


Depending on how I measure it, my dick is 14 feet long.


How YOU doin' ?
 
2014-01-15 05:15:20 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: joness0154: There's plenty of jobs

No, there is not.


http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/jolts.pdf
 
2014-01-15 05:17:03 PM  

joness0154: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/jolts.pdf


What do you think this says? Point it out to me.
 
2014-01-15 05:19:38 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: joness0154: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/jolts.pdf

What do you think this says? Point it out to me.


Here, i'll let you read.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-22/u-s-has-plenty-of-jobs-not- en ough-skills.html
 
2014-01-15 05:22:33 PM  

joness0154: Here, i'll let you read.


I did, and she's ignoring reality, or straight lying, your choice.

"In no industry does the number of job openings even come close to the number of people looking for work," writes Gould. "This demonstrates that the main problem in the labor market is a broad-based lack of demand for workers-not, as is often claimed, available workers lacking the skills needed for the sectors with job openings."

Ratio of Job Seekers to Job Openings Holds Steady at 2.9-to-1
Three people for every one job available. There are not enough jobs. You are wrong.
 
2014-01-15 05:22:46 PM  
I'd like to put some Republican Senators in the long-term unemployment line.  Just kidding; they'll get well-paid lobbyist jobs after they retire from sucking Wall Street's dick

People collecting unemployment work a heck of a lot harder than congressional Republicans.  I'd love to make six figures in exchange for not passing any legislation.  Heck, I'd be an upgrade; I'd actually try to get laws passed which would help fix this country's problems, and negotiate with other politicians to try and work out compromises both houses of congress can accept.
 
2014-01-15 05:28:32 PM  

rjakobi: Maybe we can make them play dodgeball.


Holy hell that's a great idea.

I'd pay cash to watch this. I think we found another revenue stream.
 
2014-01-15 05:32:20 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: joness0154: Here, i'll let you read.

I did, and she's ignoring reality, or straight lying, your choice.

"In no industry does the number of job openings even come close to the number of people looking for work," writes Gould. "This demonstrates that the main problem in the labor market is a broad-based lack of demand for workers-not, as is often claimed, available workers lacking the skills needed for the sectors with job openings."

Ratio of Job Seekers to Job Openings Holds Steady at 2.9-to-1
Three people for every one job available. There are not enough jobs. You are wrong.


There's always going to be unemployment, even in a very healthy economy...you don't need to be an economist to know that.
 
2014-01-15 05:34:19 PM  

joness0154: There's always going to be unemployment, even in a very healthy economy...you don't need to be an economist to know that.


You are arguing against a position I never took. You are moving the goalposts because you are wrong about there being enough jobs available. It's okay to be wrong, it happens to everyone, even smart people. Accept it, own it, and stop repeating the bullsh*t.
 
2014-01-15 05:35:34 PM  

joness0154: Dusk-You-n-Me: joness0154: Here, i'll let you read.

I did, and she's ignoring reality, or straight lying, your choice.

"In no industry does the number of job openings even come close to the number of people looking for work," writes Gould. "This demonstrates that the main problem in the labor market is a broad-based lack of demand for workers-not, as is often claimed, available workers lacking the skills needed for the sectors with job openings."

Ratio of Job Seekers to Job Openings Holds Steady at 2.9-to-1
Three people for every one job available. There are not enough jobs. You are wrong.

There's always going to be unemployment, even in a very healthy economy...you don't need to be an economist to know that.


7% is not generally thought to be a healthy number though.
 
2014-01-15 05:41:34 PM  

joness0154: There's always going to be unemployment, even in a very healthy economy...you don't need to be an economist to know that.


actual unemployment (as in workforce participants) or just lazy Americans?
 
2014-01-15 05:43:26 PM  
You know Joness0154, things would go better for you if you would just admit to being wrong.
 
2014-01-15 05:53:33 PM  

Heliovdrake: You know Joness0154, things would go better for you if you would just admit to being wrong.


It won't happen.

In the minds of some people, employment is strongly tied to virtue. This is why they move quickly from the statistics of employment and population to value judgments about the unemployed. In order to maintain the employment-virtue connection they can't abide the possibility that a man may want to work but be unable to secure employment which is why there is always the fallback position of manual labor. The problem with that is that even a moment's thought would show it to be bullshiat.

For example, I'm mid 40s, have degrees in physics and mathematics, and have been employed by a Fortune 500 company for the last fifteen years or so. Were I to lose my job and be unable to secure something similar (unlikely but this is a thought experiment) how attractive would I be as an employee in the labor or retail sector. I'm vastly overeducated for the jobs and physically not the best choice for picking grapes or roofing. The only way I'd be hired for such a position would be that there were literally no other applicants.
 
2014-01-15 06:03:25 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: For example, I'm mid 40s, have degrees in physics and mathematics, and have been employed by a Fortune 500 company for the last fifteen years or so. Were I to lose my job and be unable to secure something similar (unlikely but this is a thought experiment) how attractive would I be as an employee in the labor or retail sector. I'm vastly overeducated for the jobs and physically not the best choice for picking grapes or roofing. The only way I'd be hired for such a position would be that there were literally no other applicants.


You're right, it doesn't matter. You will be blamed.
It doesn't matter what you studied. You'll either be told you studied the wrong thing and should have known better, or told to retrain/reeducate yourself as if the option was cheap and available to all.
It doesn't matter what you did or why you were laid off. You'll be told you couldn't have been that good at it if you were laid off, that you were paid too much, that you should have diversified your skills, that you should have seen the writing on the wall.
It doesn't matter how hard you've searched for a job. You'll be told there's always work if you'd just look, that your standards are too high, that you shouldn't have expected your gravy train to last forever, that no work is beneath for the unemployed.

There is not a thing you can say that will convince them otherwise.
 
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