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(PoliceOne)   What's an UFIA worth? In New Mexico, $1.6 million   (policeone.com) divider line 87
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2014-01-15 05:47:17 PM  
I find it heartening that it was settled.  That the city determined that they didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning.
 
2014-01-15 05:49:21 PM  
Smells about right.
 
2014-01-15 05:49:28 PM  

Somaticasual: Anyone else find it revolting that the payout for this is roughly the same as a wrongful death settlement?


I don't know. it, uh, just seems how you look at it. This guy had his ass ruined for the rest of his life from the world.
He may have had other options, ya know? Now his ass is ruined. His ass is worthless. Is that different from a wrongful death
settlement? No, It doesn't appear that it is. His ass has done and been wiped and by the cops, so his ass is now worthless.
 
2014-01-15 05:49:37 PM  

vudukungfu: Sin_City_Superhero: Oh, it's going to be a lot more than that, subby:

If it had been my wife, I'd get the money.
But some cops would get disappeared.

Yeah, I know. Dig the holes first.
You think this is my first rodeo in the desert?



You know how foolish you appear, don't you?
 
2014-01-15 05:51:42 PM  
"an UFIA"?

How is subby pronouncing that?

"ooffeah"

"oofyah"

"ufyah"

...?
 
2014-01-15 05:52:14 PM  

John the Magnificent: vudukungfu: Sin_City_Superhero: Oh, it's going to be a lot more than that, subby:

If it had been my wife, I'd get the money.
But some cops would get disappeared.

Yeah, I know. Dig the holes first.
You think this is my first rodeo in the desert?


You know how foolish you appear, don't you?


Not quite as foolish as someone who doesn't realize sarcasm on Fark?
 
2014-01-15 05:58:04 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: I dunno, man.  For that kind of money 4ts would let 'em poke around back there for a while.


Buttknuckle: I wouldn't mind being fisted for that kind of money!


How about for a nickel?

(we have already established you are willing butt-whores - we are simply haggling over the price)
 
2014-01-15 05:59:47 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Shoulda been more. And should have resulted in everyone involved (police and medical personnel) losing their jobs. I'm assuming that didn't happen or story would have mentioned it (?).


I agree.

Civil fines that end up being paid by the police department's and hospital's insurance company is not really a deterrent.  Firing all of those involved, stripping them of their license to practice their jobs again and then tossing them into jail is a start.  Seeing if their supervisors condoned or promoted this type of behavior and then doing the same to them would be a great next step.
 
2014-01-15 06:01:33 PM  

Somaticasual: While i agree with the sentiment, 1.6 million for a 'finger intrustion' still isn't warranted when someone getting run over and killed by a drunk driver gets 1.75.. One of these things is scarring, but it's just not in the same league as losing a friend or family member.


I was thinking more along the lines of "violation of the public's trust" than the victim's physical and emotional damages. What we have every right to expect (but rarely get these days) is that police officers should be held to a higher standard of conduct. These particular cops conspired to break the law and in any kind of sane world should lose their jobs permanently.
 
2014-01-15 06:05:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Do the police and doctors/nurses involved still have jobs? If so, then it's not good enough.


In the case of the medical personnel, they should no longer have licenses to practice.
 
2014-01-15 06:07:07 PM  

NutWrench: These particular cops conspired to break the law and in any kind of sane world should lose their jobs permanently.


And go to jail.

Since this stuff wasn't covered/allowed by their badges, they should be treated and charged as any other citizen committing the same acts.
 
2014-01-15 06:10:56 PM  

kerrigand: Somaticasual: Anyone else find it revolting that the payout for this is roughly the same as a wrongful death settlement?

I don't know .... His ass has done and been wiped and by the cops, so his ass is now worthless.


Casual, where do you get that a wrongful death claim against a drunk driver pays $1.75M?  The truth is it varies.  It's a grim business, calculating the value of a life lost, but it is done.  You look at things like how many years the person had left and calculate the lost earning potential.  As ugly as it sounds, the civil suit cost of wrongfully offing a 72 year old with few skills is likely to be a lot less than for a 32 year old engineer with an MBA.

This case settles high because rape.  Rape-rape?  If the jury is made to see the LEO's and medical personnel as rapists, no telling what it might do with the county's or hospital's money.
 
2014-01-15 06:11:01 PM  

Somaticasual: NutWrench: Somaticasual: Anyone else find it revolting that the payout for this is roughly the same as a wrongful death settlement?

Harsh financial penalties are the only civilized way to convince people who violate the law to reform their behavior. A less expensive way would be to have the perpetrators of this organized sexual assault beaten to within an inch of their lives.

Not that . . . you know . . . that would be a thing I'd wish for or was even for one minute secretly imagining.

 While i agree with the sentiment, 1.6 million for a 'finger intrustion'still isn't warranted when someone getting run over and killed by a drunk driver gets 1.75.. One of these things is scarring, but it's just not in the same league as losing a friend or family member.


Not to make light of the loss of a loved one, but it was a fark ton more than a finger in the butt. They gave this man a colonoscopy, which is an invasive medical procedure requiring anesthesia and carrying real risks, against his will.
 
2014-01-15 06:17:58 PM  

Somaticasual: While i agree with the sentiment, 1.6 million for a 'finger intrustion' still isn't warranted when someone getting run over and killed by a drunk driver gets 1.75.. One of these things is scarring, but it's just not in the same league as losing a friend or family member.


Fourteen hours of torture that includes two forcible digital penetrations, three enemas, and a forced sedation and colonoscopy on an expired warrant that wasn't ever valid in the county in which the assault took place.

What they did to this man should have landed the lot of them in prison.
 
2014-01-15 06:26:10 PM  

K3rmy: 4tehsnowflakes:

(we have already established you are willing butt-whores - we are simply haggling over the price)


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2014-01-15 06:26:11 PM  
Has anybody at the local comptroller's office done the math?
Money lost in lawsuits for frivolous searches vs money gained from confiscated property and gov't anti-drug grants & bonuses?
Do they still think it's worth it?
 
2014-01-15 06:31:56 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: kerrigand: Somaticasual: Anyone else find it revolting that the payout for this is roughly the same as a wrongful death settlement?

I don't know .... His ass has done and been wiped and by the cops, so his ass is now worthless.

Casual, where do you get that a wrongful death claim against a drunk driver pays $1.75M?  The truth is it varies.  It's a grim business, calculating the value of a life lost, but it is done.  You look at things like how many years the person had left and calculate the lost earning potential.  As ugly as it sounds, the civil suit cost of wrongfully offing a 72 year old with few skills is likely to be a lot less than for a 32 year old engineer with an MBA.

This case settles high because rape.  Rape-rape?  If the jury is made to see the LEO's and medical personnel as rapists, no telling what it might do with the county's or hospital's money.


Wow...just..wow.

I bet you're a new grad at law school, because you can't either be this serious nor this stupid to have thought my post as serious. Yet, you worked on it. So I have to hand you that.I'll give you a +1 for effort. A -7 for trying to be bright enough to even think about bringing this to your associates. A - 11 for hopefully not bringing this to the partners as a real deal. See you soon.
 
2014-01-15 06:33:46 PM  

K3rmy: 4tehsnowflakes: I dunno, man.  For that kind of money 4ts would let 'em poke around back there for a while.

Buttknuckle: I wouldn't mind being fisted for that kind of money!

How about for a nickel?

(we have already established you are willing butt-whores - we are simply haggling over the price)


The proper response is 'no, we are quantifying in dollars exactly how ugly a man you are'
 
2014-01-15 06:48:36 PM  

tripleseven: You only use "an" if phonetically the would begins with a vowel sound.


That is the convention, but "an UFIA" is grammatical. "A" and "an" have identical meanings. Though people don't usually say things like "a elephant," there's nothing grammatically wrong with it. It just isn't how it's usually done.
 
2014-01-15 06:57:16 PM  

kerrigand: 4tehsnowflakes: kerrigand: Somaticasual:

This case settles high because rape.  Rape-rape?  If the jury is made to see the LEO's and medical personnel as rapists, no telling what it might do with the county's or hospital's money.

Wow...just..wow.

I bet you're a new grad at law school


You would lose.

because you can't either be this serious nor this stupid to have thought my post as serious.

Don't matter to me.  It's the too-serious one, but Drew said education by accident.  If you don't want any, move on.
 
2014-01-15 07:10:41 PM  

yourdogwantsplacenta: mbillips: tripleseven: "A ufia"

You only use "an" if phonetically the would begins with a vowel sound.

It's an acronym, pronounced "oofya!" The exclamation point is required.

See, I never would have thought to pronounce it that way.


It's spelled "UFIA", but its pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove"

Somaticasual: While i agree with the sentiment, 1.6 million for a 'finger intrustion' still isn't warranted when someone getting run over and killed by a drunk driver gets 1.75.. One of these things is scarring, but it's just not in the same league as losing a friend or family member.


Here's the difference - when someone is run over by a drunk driver, the amount of any wrongful death settlement is probably limited by whatever insurance the drunk driver had, unless the driver happens to be independently rich.    Even if you get a $1.7 million settlement, you'll probably be lucky to see a fraction of that.
When you're suing a city and a county for multiple violations of the law including illegal search, abuse of power, detention without cause, and sexual assault by proxy, there are much, much deeper pockets at play.
  What's more interesting is how much wrongful death settlements for cases involving police seem to vary - anywhere from < $250k to $3M+.

  And there have been settlement for other cases without a death that are over $20 million, like this case from Chicago that was settled last year but occurred in 2006. Police released a bipolar woman in the middle of a manic episode (ignoring repeated phone calls from her parents about the fact she was bipolar) into a dangerous southside neighborhood without her cell phone or allowing her a phone call or returning her cell phone - she was assaulted, raped, and eventually fell from a 7th story window and now needs constant care due to brain injury.
 
2014-01-15 07:28:49 PM  
So, some guy took it up the ass and all you people can do is argue about farking gramar?
 
2014-01-15 07:29:14 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: kerrigand: 4tehsnowflakes: kerrigand: Somaticasual:

This case settles high because rape.  Rape-rape?  If the jury is made to see the LEO's and medical personnel as rapists, no telling what it might do with the county's or hospital's money.

Wow...just..wow.

I bet you're a new grad at law school

You would lose.

because you can't either be this serious nor this stupid to have thought my post as serious.

Don't matter to me.  It's the too-serious one, but Drew said education by accident.  If you don't want any, move on.


I'll take what I can get. I'll play your move.
I still state the original statement.  So your admitting stupidity?
hmmmm....that's not like you.
Hmm, I see you're move from there.
 
2014-01-15 07:32:44 PM  

powhound: So, some guy took it up the ass and all you people can do is argue about farking gramar?


That's called progress!
 
2014-01-15 07:35:23 PM  

powhound: So, some guy took it up the ass and all you people can do is argue about farking gramar?


you spelled grammar wrong
 
2014-01-15 07:35:30 PM  
HOW exactly did they THINK that he was clenching his anus?
WHAT does that look like??
LOL

and yah,
GREAT use of taxpayer dollars NM!!!
 
2014-01-15 07:35:48 PM  

Buttknuckle: I wouldn't mind being fisted for that kind of money!


If ever there was a more fitting username...
 
2014-01-15 07:42:46 PM  
Meanwhile, in Tennessee:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-15 10:35:55 PM  

FuturePastNow: Hopefully that county will have to give its residents a noticeable property tax hike to pay, as then things might change.


They'll pay for it the same way they pay for everything else law-enforcement related in Deming: by leeching off of I-10. Expect more "crackdowns," higher ticket prices, and slower speed limits through town.
 
2014-01-15 10:43:05 PM  

m00: Yeah, I was just cooking up a scheme to drive/walk around New Mexico donut shops with a clenched butt. Like I do a funny walk with my hands on my butt and if cops are like "are you okay?" I act suspicious (which tbh isn't hard around a cop). Then later I could claim I had a back spasm and that was the only comfortable way of walking.


Claim that you were holding in a vicious fart to be polite, and then look what happened.

jst3p: Somaticasual: Anyone else find it revolting that the payout for this is roughly the same as a wrongful death settlement?
I don't know, what he went though was a real pain in the ass.


I probably shouldn't even go there, but it's really kind of like rape.  It is rape.

/yes, twice
 
2014-01-15 10:49:48 PM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: yourdogwantsplacenta: mbillips: tripleseven: "A ufia"

You only use "an" if phonetically the would begins with a vowel sound.

It's an acronym, pronounced "oofya!" The exclamation point is required.

See, I never would have thought to pronounce it that way.

It's spelled "UFIA", but its pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove"

Somaticasual: While i agree with the sentiment, 1.6 million for a 'finger intrustion' still isn't warranted when someone getting run over and killed by a drunk driver gets 1.75.. One of these things is scarring, but it's just not in the same league as losing a friend or family member.

Here's the difference - [. . . blah blah blah rich defendant]


I'd say the bigger difference is that your hypothetical drunk driver killed the loved one accidentally. A motorist who killed somebody on purpose would be a bigger deal. Nobody is claiming that these cops raped the guy by accident.
 
2014-01-15 11:12:49 PM  

Jensaarai: They'll pay for it the same way they pay for everything else law-enforcement related in Deming: by leeching off of I-10. Expect more "crackdowns," higher ticket prices, and slower speed limits through town.


And more UFI other people's A's.
 
2014-01-16 12:52:19 AM  
Ass Rape Rich!!!
 
2014-01-16 02:18:29 AM  

NightOwl2255: tripleseven: You actually hear it in media all the time.

Like nails on a chalkboard.

And I thought my hatred of the sound of slurping soup was petty.


Or clacking your teeth on a fork....

/ugh **shudder**
 
2014-01-16 09:06:32 AM  

DogBoyTheCat: Has anybody at the local comptroller's office done the math?
Money lost in lawsuits for frivolous searches vs money gained from confiscated property and gov't anti-drug grants & bonuses?
Do they still think it's worth it?



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To the cop that gets to drive it, yes.
 
2014-01-16 11:21:15 AM  

kerrigand: 4tehsnowflakes: kerrigand: 4tehsnowflakes: kerrigand: Somaticasual:

This case settles high because rape.  Rape-rape?  If the jury is made to see the LEO's and medical personnel as rapists, no telling what it might do with the county's or hospital's money.

Wow...just..wow.

I bet you're a new grad at law school

You would lose.

because you can't either be this serious nor this stupid to have thought my post as serious.

Don't matter to me.  It's the too-serious one, but Drew said education by accident.  If you don't want any, move on.

I'll take what I can get. I'll play your move.
I still state the original statement.  So your admitting stupidity?
hmmmm....that's not like you.
Hmm, I see you're move from there.


I was responding to Somaticasual who asked why this case would pay almost as much as a wrongful death case.  I didn't even pay attention to your joke about the victim being wiped clean.  Next time I'll respond directly so the people in the middle don't get the wrong idea.
 
2014-01-16 05:04:44 PM  
Eckert was pulled over for failing to yield at a stop sign last January. When Eckert appeared to be "clutching his buttocks," police called in a K-9 to the scene, despite the fact that the dog's license expired in 2011.
The dog indicated there were drugs in the car and police obtained a warrant for an anal cavity search, despite finding no other evidence of drugs in the car.
The following exams were then performed on Eckert at Gila Regional Medical Center, where Eckert was taken after a first hospital refused to examine him on the grounds that such a search was "unethical."
1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.
2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.
8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.

http://gawker.com/routine-traffic-stop-leads-to-anal-probe-nightmare -a gai-1460304269

Deming police arrested Eckert and obtained a warrant for an anal cavity search. A doctor at the first hospital they took Eckert to refused to comply with the warrant, calling it "unethical." But doctors at a second hospital, Gila Regional Medical Center, agreed to the search.
 
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