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2014-01-15 04:09:47 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: JohnAnnArbor: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: This is all very well and fine, but when you're poor, fresh fruits and vegetables are either not available in your neighbourhood, or they are too expensive. When you have hungry mouths to feed, you're going to go for the most food for the least amount of money. What really needs to change is to have more real, budget grocery stores or produce sellers in poor neighbourhoods and less 711s and fast food joints.

Getting held up, rampant theft, etc. makes a low-margin business like grocery stores even more difficult to run.  There's a reason Detroit has few grocery stores (two opened to great fanfare recently).

On top of that, charge more than a suburban market?  Racist!  Detain a shoplifter?  Racist!  And on and on.  It's easier to close the store and do business elsewhere.

Don't forget dry asparagus.


Schnuks schnuks schnuks
 
2014-01-15 04:10:52 PM
Not.
I was raised on pretty much the same thing as is around today, and i've been 170 for almost the last 40 years.
It's more like get off your a$$ and do something to burn off all that food.
 
2014-01-15 04:11:07 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: For several years, many have been quick to attribute rising fast-food consumption as the major factor causing rapid increases in childhood obesity. However a new study found that fast-food consumption is simply a byproduct of a much bigger problem: poor all-day-long dietary habits that originate in children's homes.


This study funded by McDonalds, Wendy's, Roy Rogers, Arbys, Burger King, etc...

Lets take the focus off of the bullshiat that we're feeding you and point fingers at you because our business is starting to suffer from all of this healthy talk about moderation and eliminating fast food from the diet.


Emphasis mine. There's the problem right there! All this time, we've been oblivious to the squads of clown-men breaking into our houses and forcing our children to eat hamburgers. What an important discovery you've made.

Common sense: children can't drive themselves to McDonalds, and generally wouldn't have the money to buy hamburgers even if they big-wheeled it down there. Basically, children don't make dietary decisions, parents do. Children's dietary problems are parents fault and responsibility, period.
 
2014-01-15 04:11:08 PM

palelizard: If we put poor people to work in the grain fields, they'd get enough exercise and be thin again.  Hundreds of years ago, they had it right--lots of people toiling away if they couldn't afford to do otherwise.  And their diet contained much less meat and fat, and a lot more grain, so their teeth were better and they had fewer heart problems.

Serfdom may not have been all shakes and giggles, but at least the poor people didn't complain about being fat.



I take it you've never seen a life expectancy chart. Hell, lets expand on your point and do it like they did in the days of George Washington. A man could live to the ripe old age of 42.
 
2014-01-15 04:11:14 PM

tlars699: And agreed to everyone that mentioned no recess access. That, and you can't ever let your kids play outside without being there with them 100% all of the time, or CPS gets called for possible neglect.

 There is a line between Little Johnny out playing in his front yard or at a friend's house and Little Johnny is playing outside in torn clothes, unkempt hair, and doesn't look like he's been fed very well for weeks and the neighbors know something bad is going on, this is the last straw, I'm calling CPS.


I can see maybe not wanting to let them go outside if you're in a neighborhood that would be called "war torn" if it wasn't in the US, but average America USA, where it appears people are phobic about interacting with others?  Please.
 
2014-01-15 04:12:04 PM

brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link


Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.
 
2014-01-15 04:12:55 PM

tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.


no she wasn't.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 04:13:53 PM
If you look at the group of people who are most outraged by the obesity epidemic, I'd wager that the majority of them are not obese.
 
2014-01-15 04:14:45 PM

JohnAnnArbor: MyRandomName: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: This is all very well and fine, but when you're poor, fresh fruits and vegetables are either not available in your neighbourhood, or they are too expensive. When you have hungry mouths to feed, you're going to go for the most food for the least amount of money. What really needs to change is to have more real, budget grocery stores or produce sellers in poor neighbourhoods and less 711s and fast food joints.

Frozen veggies are not expensive. There is a middle ground from picked that day vegetable to oh well McDonald's again.

And recently, frozen veggies have been shown to retain their nutrition very well.


Recently?  I knew that frozen veggies are very good nutritionally 25 years ago.
 
2014-01-15 04:15:08 PM

tlars699: Satan's Bunny Slippers: JohnAnnArbor: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: This is all very well and fine, but when you're poor, fresh fruits and vegetables are either not available in your neighbourhood, or they are too expensive. When you have hungry mouths to feed, you're going to go for the most food for the least amount of money. What really needs to change is to have more real, budget grocery stores or produce sellers in poor neighbourhoods and less 711s and fast food joints.

Getting held up, rampant theft, etc. makes a low-margin business like grocery stores even more difficult to run.  There's a reason Detroit has few grocery stores (two opened to great fanfare recently).

On top of that, charge more than a suburban market?  Racist!  Detain a shoplifter?  Racist!  And on and on.  It's easier to close the store and do business elsewhere.

Don't forget dry asparagus.

Schnuks schnuks schnuks


I have a love/hate relationship with Schnucks.  Mostly hate though.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 04:16:07 PM

brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link


Yes, your freedom to be an abusive asshole has been curtailed. Oh no!
 
2014-01-15 04:17:08 PM

meat0918: tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

no she wasn't.


and here's some proof for you

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-24/hollywood-auction-ends-myth -o f-zaftig-marilyn-virginia-postrel.html
The auction's top-ticket item was Monroe's famous white halter dress from "The Seven Year Itch," the one that billowed up as the subway passed. It sold for almost $5.66 million (including the buyer's premium) to an unknown phone bidder. Sharing a rotating mirrored platform with Hedy Lamarr's peacock gown from "Samson and Delilah" and Kim Novak's rhinestone- fringed show dress from "Jeanne Eagels,"

Monroe's costume was displayed on a mannequin that had been carved down from a standard size 2 to accommodate the tiny waist. Even then, the zipper could not entirely close.
 
2014-01-15 04:17:29 PM
Heroin isn't the reason you're an addict. You are.
 
2014-01-15 04:17:56 PM
It certainly is McDonald's fault. No matter what I do he keeps coming back, leaving disgusting trails of McNuggets and clown makeup throughout the house. I can hear him now scratching around in the attic. I can actually smell the deep fryers cooking that vile food.

I've trapped him twice, but animal control refused to come get him. I let him go a few towns over and sealed the vents, but he still chewed his way back in.

Next time I catch him, I'm just going throw the whole damn trap into a lake.
 
2014-01-15 04:18:17 PM
I'll take it one more step. Part of the reason unhealthy processed foods and such are used is because they are much easier to keep in great quantity for long periods of time, unlike fresh fruit and vegetables. Especially in the quantities needed to feed "everyone".
 
2014-01-15 04:18:54 PM

That Guy Jeff: DROxINxTHExWIND: For several years, many have been quick to attribute rising fast-food consumption as the major factor causing rapid increases in childhood obesity. However a new study found that fast-food consumption is simply a byproduct of a much bigger problem: poor all-day-long dietary habits that originate in children's homes.


This study funded by McDonalds, Wendy's, Roy Rogers, Arbys, Burger King, etc...

Lets take the focus off of the bullshiat that we're feeding you and point fingers at you because our business is starting to suffer from all of this healthy talk about moderation and eliminating fast food from the diet.

Emphasis mine. There's the problem right there! All this time, we've been oblivious to the squads of clown-men breaking into our houses and forcing our children to eat hamburgers. What an important discovery you've made.

Common sense: children can't drive themselves to McDonalds, and generally wouldn't have the money to buy hamburgers even if they big-wheeled it down there. Basically, children don't make dietary decisions, parents do. Children's dietary problems are parents fault and responsibility, period.


Champ, this isn't about who pulls out the credit card. It's about information. And this study, brought to you by the fast food industry isn't saying that you SHOULD NOT eat fast food, its suggesting the opposite. The way I intepret the study it's saying, the problem isn't the food we sold you which we told you was ok to eat, the problem is that you believed us. Now that we have all of this information, fast food consumption has gone down. While people knew that you may get high cholesterol if you eat fries everyday, no one signed up to eat pink sludge or to eat foods that increase the risk of cancer. So, stop trying to act like parents are blaming McDonalds for "making" them eat there. Folks had been kept in the dark about how terrible it really is for you.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 04:19:05 PM

tlars699: Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.


Women's clothing sizes are relative. 1960s size 12 != 2014 size 12
 
Ant
2014-01-15 04:21:49 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Not just PE.  Remember recess?


Yes, because they still have it.
 
2014-01-15 04:22:01 PM

meat0918: tlars699: And agreed to everyone that mentioned no recess access. That, and you can't ever let your kids play outside without being there with them 100% all of the time, or CPS gets called for possible neglect.
 There is a line between Little Johnny out playing in his front yard or at a friend's house and Little Johnny is playing outside in torn clothes, unkempt hair, and doesn't look like he's been fed very well for weeks and the neighbors know something bad is going on, this is the last straw, I'm calling CPS.


I can see maybe not wanting to let them go outside if you're in a neighborhood that would be called "war torn" if it wasn't in the US, but average America USA, where it appears people are phobic about interacting with others?  Please.


Agreed.
However, if your neighbors don't like you, you would still get investigated.
If you have an investigation, and you have shared custody with other parent, other parent could say whatever they want to try and get kids from you, so you have to pay them child support.

Or neighbor decides that Shelly and Steven shouldn't play together, because Shelly's parents believe in evolution. Shelly comes over, because nobody previously said anything- Steven's mom calls CPS- "I'm always feeding her and taking care of her!!"
CPS Investigates, and takes her away because Steven's mom starts saying other crap about molestation stories.

CPS likes "saving" kids who "need" it, and looking over kids that actually do, because "not enough evidence".

/Way too much experience. Maybe it's just my state. Who knows?
//Laws that require the victim(child) to report abuse for probably cause, suck.
 
2014-01-15 04:23:05 PM

brobdiggy: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: This is all very well and fine, but when you're poor, fresh fruits and vegetables are either not available in your neighbourhood, or they are too expensive. When you have hungry mouths to feed, you're going to go for the most food for the least amount of money. What really needs to change is to have more real, budget grocery stores or produce sellers in poor neighbourhoods and less 711s and fast food joints.

The idea of "food deserts" where there's no food and the idea that healthy food is expensive are mostly myths.  The people I see complaining the most about expensive healthy food snack on King Size candy bars at $1.79 each when they could have bought bananas at $0.50 per pound.


I don't know where you live, but bananas are never that cheap, and most other fruits and vegetables are more expensive. Unfortunately, most people are also not educated about healthy food choices and will go for cheap over healthy. I bet most people couldn't name most vegetables if you put them in front of them and certainly wouldn't know how to prepare them. I'm not blaming the government, I know people need to educate themselves, but most won't, so the government providing info about healthy foods could help.
 
2014-01-15 04:25:16 PM

big pig peaches: It certainly is McDonald's fault. No matter what I do he keeps coming back, leaving disgusting trails of McNuggets and clown makeup throughout the house. I can hear him now scratching around in the attic. I can actually smell the deep fryers cooking that vile food.

I've trapped him twice, but animal control refused to come get him. I let him go a few towns over and sealed the vents, but he still chewed his way back in.

Next time I catch him, I'm just going throw the whole damn trap into a lake.


That's actually the boogeyman - you've been lucky so far.
 
2014-01-15 04:27:22 PM
Damn you for bringing up personal responsibility! Eating shiatty food and not exercising has nothing to do with how fat I am, this is someone else's fault.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 04:28:41 PM

meat0918: There is a line between Little Johnny out playing in his front yard or at a friend's house and Little Johnny is playing outside in torn clothes, unkempt hair, and doesn't look like he's been fed very well for weeks and the neighbors know something bad is going on, this is the last straw, I'm calling CPS.


When I was an 8-year-old kid, I'd roam the entire city (Boise, ID) with my friends. If a parent let their kid do that nowadays, you're gonna be accused of being the worst parent on Earth.
 
2014-01-15 04:33:05 PM

meat0918: tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

no she wasn't.


I had to look it up. You're right-why does the fashion industry keep changing the standards/history?
 
2014-01-15 04:33:54 PM

Ant: tlars699: Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

Women's clothing sizes are relative. 1960s size 12 != 2014 size 12


That's true for men's clothes too. As far as T-shirts go, small now is what large was back in the 80s.

I bought a small size button down flannel shirt online from Eddie Bauer recently and it's like a f*cking parachute. All these "slim fit" men's dress shirts are basically just fitted they way they were before everything ballooned up to twice their purported size. That's why it's so f*cking hard to find men's clothes that fit these days. They way different companies size things now seems to be almost random.
 
2014-01-15 04:37:19 PM

meat0918: meat0918: tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

no she wasn't.

and here's some proof for you

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-24/hollywood-auction-ends-myth -o f-zaftig-marilyn-virginia-postrel.html
The auction's top-ticket item was Monroe's famous white halter dress from "The Seven Year Itch," the one that billowed up as the subway passed. It sold for almost $5.66 million (including the buyer's premium) to an unknown phone bidder. Sharing a rotating mirrored platform with Hedy Lamarr's peacock gown from "Samson and Delilah" and Kim Novak's rhinestone- fringed show dress from "Jeanne Eagels,"

Monroe's costume was displayed on a mannequin that had been carved down from a standard size 2 to accommodate the tiny waist. Even then, the zipper could not entirely close.


A 2 would not accommodate her bust/hips, which were 36" according to her dressmaker. It helps that it was a billowy dress though.

She did have 22" waist which would be a size 1 in hip measurements, but then women are supposed to be rectangles with no curves anymore, right?
 
2014-01-15 04:39:21 PM

tlars699: meat0918: tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

no she wasn't.

I had to look it up. You're right-why does the fashion industry keep changing the standards/history?


To sell more clothes.

If they were honest, they'd sell women's clothes with bust, waist, hip, and inseam measurements where appropriate.

Here's something else for you

thesocietypages.org


And thanks for accepting the source on Marilyn's real size.  I've had people start yelling at me and not believing it on one of the few occasions it has ever come up, even though they had her actual measurements right in front of them.
 
2014-01-15 04:40:16 PM

Ant: JohnAnnArbor: Not just PE.  Remember recess?

Yes, because they still have it.


Maybe at your school. o_O
 
2014-01-15 04:41:08 PM
MyRandomName: Wasn't there a study on SNAP last year showing 40% of the money went to sugary drinks. Why is that even allowed.

Do you want to turn your back on campaign contributions from Big Sugar, Mister Senator?
 
2014-01-15 04:42:01 PM

tlars699: meat0918: meat0918: tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

no she wasn't.

and here's some proof for you

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-24/hollywood-auction-ends-myth -o f-zaftig-marilyn-virginia-postrel.html
The auction's top-ticket item was Monroe's famous white halter dress from "The Seven Year Itch," the one that billowed up as the subway passed. It sold for almost $5.66 million (including the buyer's premium) to an unknown phone bidder. Sharing a rotating mirrored platform with Hedy Lamarr's peacock gown from "Samson and Delilah" and Kim Novak's rhinestone- fringed show dress from "Jeanne Eagels,"

Monroe's costume was displayed on a mannequin that had been carved down from a standard size 2 to accommodate the tiny waist. Even then, the zipper could not entirely close.

A 2 would not accommodate her bust/hips, which were 36" according to her dressmaker. It helps that it was a billowy dress though.

She did have 22" waist which would be a size 1 in hip measurements, but then women are supposed to be rectangles with no curves anymore, right?


I really honestly blame the one(or few) size(s) fits all culture that took over the American clothing industry as well as the decline of tailors.

I need Large Tall long sleeve shirts, because most Extra Larges are too billowy, but Large the arms are almost always too short.
 
2014-01-15 04:42:25 PM

meat0918: tlars699: meat0918: tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

no she wasn't.

I had to look it up. You're right-why does the fashion industry keep changing the standards/history?

To sell more clothes.

If they were honest, they'd sell women's clothes with bust, waist, hip, and inseam measurements where appropriate.

Here's something else for you

[thesocietypages.org image 600x801]


And thanks for accepting the source on Marilyn's real size.  I've had people start yelling at me and not believing it on one of the few occasions it has ever come up, even though they had her actual measurements right in front of them.


I was disappointed in Wikipedia for the first time today, but Jezebel (of all sites) corroborated your story.
I mean if you have "Sexual Icon" in the description of the person, maybe their physical stats should be considered important enough to list? Maybe?
 
2014-01-15 04:43:11 PM
All I know is, in the Land of the Morbidly Obese, the Merely Overweight man is King!
 
2014-01-15 04:45:36 PM

sigdiamond2000: That's true for men's clothes too. As far as T-shirts go, small now is what large was back in the 80s.


Which is why I know I'm an 18.5" collar, a 35/36" sleeve length (for dress shirts), 38" waist and 34" inseam (suit pants/slacks are slightly different).

They haven't changed the length of an inch in a few hundred years.

// everything should be sized by inches
// "that dress? it's a size 36-22-36." BAM! No guesswork.
 
2014-01-15 04:46:26 PM

That Guy Jeff: Children's dietary problems are parents fault and responsibility, period.


Agreed.

Now what do we do about it?
 
2014-01-15 04:48:39 PM

meat0918: tlars699: meat0918: meat0918: tlars699: brobdiggy: Another reason why obesity is up:

1950
Joe:  "Damn.  That guy Billy is a fatty"
*nothing happens to Joe because Billy really is morbidly obese

Today:
Steve:  "Maybe Michelle (who is morbidly obese) should lose some weight..."
*OMG you can't say that to people because self-esteem and body image!  You need to accept her!  You're a terrible person and you need to publicly apologize!  OUTRAGE WHARRGARBLL.

Case in point is the Gabourey Sidibe spat at the Golden Globes.
This page lets you zoom in on a picture.  Beware of the arms at the elbow joint....

Link

Yes, but morbidly obese in the 1950's and morbidly obese now mean different things. Marilyn Monroe was obese by today's standards.

no she wasn't.

and here's some proof for you

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-24/hollywood-auction-ends-myth -o f-zaftig-marilyn-virginia-postrel.html
The auction's top-ticket item was Monroe's famous white halter dress from "The Seven Year Itch," the one that billowed up as the subway passed. It sold for almost $5.66 million (including the buyer's premium) to an unknown phone bidder. Sharing a rotating mirrored platform with Hedy Lamarr's peacock gown from "Samson and Delilah" and Kim Novak's rhinestone- fringed show dress from "Jeanne Eagels,"

Monroe's costume was displayed on a mannequin that had been carved down from a standard size 2 to accommodate the tiny waist. Even then, the zipper could not entirely close.

A 2 would not accommodate her bust/hips, which were 36" according to her dressmaker. It helps that it was a billowy dress though.

She did have 22" waist which would be a size 1 in hip measurements, but then women are supposed to be rectangles with no curves anymore, right?

I really honestly blame the one(or few) size(s) fits all culture that took over the American clothing industry as well as the decline of tailors.

I need Large Tall long sleeve shirts, because most Extra Larges are too billowy, but Large the a ...


Do you know what is nearly impossible to find? Sewing patterns for men's clothes.
I have been able to find only the most absolutely ugly designs for men's dress pants, one shirt pattern, and two vest patterns.
There is more variety in the costume patterns, and they turn out more attractive.
The bold is for the decline of sewing in American culture in general. Because it doesn't fit the disposal culture.

As for chubbiness, cut back on urban sprawl, and encourage people to walk more?
 
2014-01-15 04:52:40 PM

tricycleracer: That Guy Jeff: Children's dietary problems are parents fault and responsibility, period.

Agreed.

Now what do we do about it?


Science will fix the problem eventually.
 
2014-01-15 05:00:17 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: palelizard: If we put poor people to work in the grain fields, they'd get enough exercise and be thin again.  Hundreds of years ago, they had it right--lots of people toiling away if they couldn't afford to do otherwise.  And their diet contained much less meat and fat, and a lot more grain, so their teeth were better and they had fewer heart problems.

Serfdom may not have been all shakes and giggles, but at least the poor people didn't complain about being fat.


I take it you've never seen a life expectancy chart. Hell, lets expand on your point and do it like they did in the days of George Washington. A man could live to the ripe old age of 42.


So you're saying we'd save on Medicare and Social Security as well?
 
2014-01-15 05:00:24 PM
Our future!

Oh, who am I kidding...I see this on a regular basis TODAY.

www.sickchirpse.com
 
2014-01-15 05:03:30 PM

tricycleracer: That Guy Jeff: Children's dietary problems are parents fault and responsibility, period.

Agreed.

Now what do we do about it?


Take some personal responsibility and make health and fitness a priority in our families lives?
 
2014-01-15 05:06:27 PM

tlars699: Do you know what is nearly impossible to find? Sewing patterns for men's clothes.
I have been able to find only the most absolutely ugly designs for men's dress pants, one shirt pattern, and two vest patterns.
There is more variety in the costume patterns, and they turn out more attractive.
The bold is for the decline of sewing in American culture in general. Because it doesn't fit the disposal culture.

As for chubbiness, cut back on urban sprawl, and encourage people to walk more?


Agreed.  My wife finally found a nice costume shirt pattern that should make decent shirts for me.  If only good fabric wasn't so goddamned expensive.

I want to visit my brother in China in a few years, and when I do, I will hit up his tailor for clothes.  He's 6'4" and probably the tallest American most have ever seen up close in China, but I digress.
 
2014-01-15 05:08:53 PM

baconbeard: tricycleracer: That Guy Jeff: Children's dietary problems are parents fault and responsibility, period.

Agreed.

Now what do we do about it?

Take some personal responsibility and make health and fitness a priority in our families lives?


[ohwaityoureserious.jpg]
 
2014-01-15 05:27:19 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: Our future!

Oh, who am I kidding...I see this on a regular basis TODAY.

[www.sickchirpse.com image 850x353]


dilbert.com
 
2014-01-15 05:31:55 PM

Beerguy: There is truth here.

In my group of friends, none of us were fat as kids...we ate McDonalds, pizza, Pup N' Taco, etc. and never got fat.

We were always outside playing too, either baseball (chipped tooth), football (concussion), riding our bikes (took off two of the nails on my left hand by side swiping a cinder block wall), climbing trees (numerous falls, broken wrist).

Good times.


Snoflakes can't get hurt anymore.  Think of the children, why don't you?


/Broken 12 toes, 6 fingers, two ankles, 1 fibula and a rib.


meat0918: I really honestly blame the one(or few) size(s) fits all culture that took over the American clothing industry as well as the decline of tailors.

I need Large Tall long sleeve shirts, because most Extra Larges are too billowy, but Large the a ...


When I buy a shirt that fits my neck (22") there is enough fabric in the body to make nearly two shirts that would fit me.

 
2014-01-15 05:47:03 PM

tlars699: Really? How about energy? It's not just money and time- it takes effort to make good food that's good for you.


The effort of home cooking is grossly overstated by shows in which people create dishes for fine dining and series in which grandma spends 3 hours in the kitchen (90% of the time isn't actually necessary to be in the kitchen because food doesn't cook faster if you stare at it) for a casserole. Regular home cooked meals take hardly any effort at all.

/I leave my house at 8:00 in the morning on Mondays and return somewhere around 20:50
//Tuesdays are long as well, but not quite that long
///Cook something extra on Sunday to cover the Monday and cook something new on Tuesday
 
2014-01-15 06:06:33 PM

beerrun: cashman: Cue up that fat McDonald's kid!

[images.dailytech.com image 410x261]


McDonald's kid v2.0

i216.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-15 06:14:03 PM

Dr Dreidel: sigdiamond2000: That's true for men's clothes too. As far as T-shirts go, small now is what large was back in the 80s.

Which is why I know I'm an 18.5" collar, a 35/36" sleeve length (for dress shirts), 38" waist and 34" inseam (suit pants/slacks are slightly different).

They haven't changed the length of an inch in a few hundred years.

// everything should be sized by inches
// "that dress? it's a size 36-22-36." BAM! No guesswork.


The size of an inch hasn't changed, but GAP pants that are labelled 32" waist aren't actually 32" around, they're larger. Which made it a bit of a shock when I went in to try on a suit, confidently named my measurements, then became befuddled when the pants wouldn't even button.

Also interesting when you pull a pair of pants from your closet that's 10 years old, marked the same size as the pair you bought last week, but they aren't even close to the same size.

Vanity sizing, already available at a men's clothier near you.
 
2014-01-15 06:39:40 PM
This is one of the least surprising stories ever.

But I'm sure many parents will act shocked. Or insulted.
 
2014-01-15 06:47:41 PM
For christ sakes... just DO SOMETHING!

Take a bike ride, go on and walk, use the stairs as much as it is reasonable, you don't need to eat McDonalds for a third time in the day, drink water instead of soda and control the portions.

Yes, there are a lot of people that are fat as result of health problems or psychological issues, but I doubt that those are more than the ones who are just taking poor care of themselves.

/Trying to take a better care of myself.
//Overweight most of my life, aware that it was because I'm lazy and I like to eat...
 
2014-01-15 06:53:00 PM

Beerguy: vudukungfu: This just in: Americans are Fat, Lazy, and Stupid. and Ignorant.
Film at 11.

FTFY

We know better, we just don't care enough to change.


And arrogant.
 
2014-01-15 07:01:53 PM

brobdiggy: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: This is all very well and fine, but when you're poor, fresh fruits and vegetables are either not available in your neighbourhood, or they are too expensive. When you have hungry mouths to feed, you're going to go for the most food for the least amount of money. What really needs to change is to have more real, budget grocery stores or produce sellers in poor neighbourhoods and less 711s and fast food joints.

The idea of "food deserts" where there's no food and the idea that healthy food is expensive are mostly myths.  The people I see complaining the most about expensive healthy food snack on King Size candy bars at $1.79 each when they could have bought bananas at $0.50 per pound.


THIS ^

I go to the ghettos to buy my groceries. They are super-cheap there.

The main place where there are food deserts are where there are white people. If the population is over 90% white in a city, there is bound to be 10 Korgers two miles of each other selling over-priced produce. If there is significant Asian, Middle East and other foreign populace, there are plenty of amazing grocery stores.
 
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