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2014-01-15 04:36:48 PM
My parents never locked me in a running car.  I'm way older than the "80's".
 
2014-01-15 04:36:58 PM
My parents used to let me play in the back of our giant Chevy station wagon with no seat belt.  I never got bored and whiny during long trips. They'd probably be jailed for that now.
 
2014-01-15 04:37:16 PM
sweet can I sue them now?
 
2014-01-15 04:39:13 PM
Are they in danger? No?
Are they afraid? No?
Is it 90 degrees with 80% humidity (or in AZ speak, 100+) no?
Then, mind your own farking business!
 
2014-01-15 04:39:33 PM
Hey a good court decision! When was the last time that happened?
 
2014-01-15 04:40:39 PM

Bigdogdaddy: My parents never locked me in a running car.  I'm way older than the "80's".


Unless it was specially-modified, it would be impossible to lock anyone inside a car.
 
2014-01-15 04:40:40 PM
I got left in a running car all the time, getting to suck in all those tasty exhaust fumes, and me no is damerged...duuuuuuuuuuh tell me bout the rabbits George.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 04:42:28 PM
Court decision (PDF)

The state tried to take all the woman's children away based solely on that incident.
 
2014-01-15 04:43:39 PM
Sat on my moms lap when she was droving when I was a toddler. 36 now, I guess she was a felon.
 
2014-01-15 04:43:43 PM
That is farking ridiculous. I know my wife once parked the car in front of the library, walked 30 seconds to drop a book off at the drop bin came outside and some guy was screaming at her like she had been beating our son and was going to call the cops. Drove her to tears.

If "leaving your child alone for a few minutes" is a crime, every parent on the planet would be in the slammer. Yes, there is neglect, but I think your are talking on the order of hours, not minutes.
 
2014-01-15 04:43:54 PM
I remember sitting in the little half seat at the back of a station wagon.. the seat most likely only suitable for groceries. I used to think it was so cool. Now I realize if the car had been rear-ended I would have been a kid/car sandwich.

/Was also left alone in a car for what seemed like forever. Today's standards of parenting would have put most of our parents in prison back then. T'was a different time...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 04:44:54 PM
The judges thought she should have left the car unlocked and the windows rolled up, because locking the car and leaving the windows cracked were considered evidence of guilt. (Pages 10-11.)
 
2014-01-15 04:45:11 PM
Wait until someone tells them that some kids also get *GASP* spankings.
 
2014-01-15 04:45:32 PM

jshine: Bigdogdaddy: My parents never locked me in a running car.  I'm way older than the "80's".

Unless it was specially-modified, it would be impossible to lock anyone inside a car.


Um...respectfully, every car I have owned since 82 has had a lever inside the door that would keep you from opening the door from the back, so yeah, it can happen.
 
2014-01-15 04:45:50 PM
Meanwhile, in Denmark:

news.bbcimg.co.uk

/Yes, there are babies in those prams. Yes, they're unattended.
 
2014-01-15 04:46:53 PM
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-01-15 04:47:01 PM
I don't know....am I the only one thinking that leaving your car in a mall parking with the engine running is stupid, kid or no kid???
 
2014-01-15 04:48:25 PM

born_yesterday: My parents used to let me play in the back of our giant Chevy station wagon with no seat belt.  I never got bored and whiny during long trips. They'd probably be jailed for that now.


In the mid 70s my parents would set up a playpen in the back of one of those station wagons and stick me in for the trip to Iowa.
 
2014-01-15 04:48:31 PM
My mother locked my brother and me in the car while she went to a doctor's appointment, promised us ice cream if we were good. We took our shoes and socks off for some reason, and crawled all around in the car. Got a yardstick beating for it, which I thought was completely unfair. I think I was 5 and he was 4. This was the late '60s; nobody would have thought a thing about it.
 
2014-01-15 04:48:43 PM

Don't Lag Me Bro: That is farking ridiculous. I know my wife once parked the car in front of the library, walked 30 seconds to drop a book off at the drop bin came outside and some guy was screaming at her like she had been beating our son and was going to call the cops. Drove her to tears.

If "leaving your child alone for a few minutes" is a crime, every parent on the planet would be in the slammer. Yes, there is neglect, but I think your are talking on the order of hours, not minutes.


My parents left me in the car to run into the gas station and pay all the time without even thinking once about it. My wife is terrified to do that with our sons, not for fear of a predator or harm coming to them but rather that someone is going to make a stink about it. This is how freedom dies, not with a jack-boot but with millions of empty headed busybodies.
 
2014-01-15 04:49:18 PM

Bigdogdaddy: jshine: Bigdogdaddy: My parents never locked me in a running car.  I'm way older than the "80's".

Unless it was specially-modified, it would be impossible to lock anyone inside a car.

Um...respectfully, every car I have owned since 82 has had a lever inside the door that would keep you from opening the door from the back, so yeah, it can happen.


If you are alone, there's no reason you'd be limited to the back.  Cop-cars aside (i.e., "specially-modified"), it's quite possible to crawl over into the front seat and exit.
 
2014-01-15 04:49:49 PM
keys in the ignition?  engine running?   was she buying booze, cause when I've seen people leaving the engine running they're usually buying booze.   can't understand how someone could be in so much of a hurry that they leave the engine running.
 
2014-01-15 04:50:19 PM

Don't Lag Me Bro: That is farking ridiculous. I know my wife once parked the car in front of the library, walked 30 seconds to drop a book off at the drop bin came outside and some guy was screaming at her like she had been beating our son and was going to call the cops. Drove her to tears.

If "leaving your child alone for a few minutes" is a crime, every parent on the planet would be in the slammer. Yes, there is neglect, but I think your are talking on the order of hours, not minutes.


Forget about a single parent taking a shower, and heaven forbid if the kid wakes up before you, better not mow that lawn while they're napping, et al.
 
2014-01-15 04:52:43 PM

yourdogwantsplacenta: Don't Lag Me Bro: That is farking ridiculous. I know my wife once parked the car in front of the library, walked 30 seconds to drop a book off at the drop bin came outside and some guy was screaming at her like she had been beating our son and was going to call the cops. Drove her to tears.

If "leaving your child alone for a few minutes" is a crime, every parent on the planet would be in the slammer. Yes, there is neglect, but I think your are talking on the order of hours, not minutes.

My parents left me in the car to run into the gas station and pay all the time without even thinking once about it. My wife is terrified to do that with our sons, not for fear of a predator or harm coming to them but rather that someone is going to make a stink about it. This is how freedom dies, not with a jack-boot but with millions of empty headed busybodies.


When I was a kid, my parents always made me run in and pay for gas!
 
2014-01-15 04:54:43 PM

Missicat: I don't know....am I the only one thinking that leaving your car in a mall parking with the engine running is stupid, kid or no kid???


Mall/shopping centre? Yes
Strip Mall with small stores and huge windows? Then, no.
 
2014-01-15 04:54:51 PM
Two weeks later, the Division filed a Title Nine action, seeking care and custody of all four children.

Jesus christ.. Someone was bored
 
2014-01-15 04:55:47 PM
Meh... humbug
 
2014-01-15 04:55:59 PM
You mean because they forced their kids to listen to the music from that era, subby?

*reads article*

Oh.
 
2014-01-15 04:56:27 PM
I'm a product of the 70s...

My parents never left the keys in the car (or the engine running) until I was old enough that my parents were willing to hand me the keys to unlock the car and let myself in.  I'm not saying that she did something absolutely awful, but its bad judgement to leave your car running with it unattended (children do not count as leaving a car attended).
 
2014-01-15 04:56:55 PM
Mentioned this in the obesity thread.
Can't leave the kids outside in a fenced in yard either. Have to be out there with them at all times according to Prudence.
 
2014-01-15 04:58:27 PM

FutureWars: yourdogwantsplacenta: Don't Lag Me Bro: That is farking ridiculous. I know my wife once parked the car in front of the library, walked 30 seconds to drop a book off at the drop bin came outside and some guy was screaming at her like she had been beating our son and was going to call the cops. Drove her to tears.

If "leaving your child alone for a few minutes" is a crime, every parent on the planet would be in the slammer. Yes, there is neglect, but I think your are talking on the order of hours, not minutes.

My parents left me in the car to run into the gas station and pay all the time without even thinking once about it. My wife is terrified to do that with our sons, not for fear of a predator or harm coming to them but rather that someone is going to make a stink about it. This is how freedom dies, not with a jack-boot but with millions of empty headed busybodies.

When I was a kid, my parents always made me run in and pay for gas!


They tried that a few times, I got distracted by shiny stuff too easily until I was 10ish for them to bother trying with me. But my sister did that too
 
2014-01-15 04:58:37 PM

mbillips: Meanwhile, in Denmark:

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

/Yes, there are babies in those prams. Yes, they're unattended.


Now I want a dutch baby. I think there's an Original Pancake House out in Frisco across from the Ikea. Phooey on you, I've been doing so good on my diet.
 
2014-01-15 04:59:20 PM

tlars699: Missicat: I don't know....am I the only one thinking that leaving your car in a mall parking with the engine running is stupid, kid or no kid???

Mall/shopping centre? Yes
Strip Mall with small stores and huge windows? Then, no.


Its pretty stupid in either case...  Opportunistic thieves exist, and chances are, one will happen to be in the right place at the right time while you're running into the 7-11 for a pack of smokes, sooner or later.
 
2014-01-15 05:00:26 PM
Next time someone leaves a kid alone in a car, the appropriate response is to follow them and eventually shoot them.
 
2014-01-15 05:02:33 PM
When I was a kid, my parents would give me a $20 bill and it was my job to walk to the bar a couple of blocks away, get change from the barman, buy Lucky Strikes and Parliament 100's from the vending machine, and bring the cigarettes home.  My reward was that I got to keep the change.

Yeah, that would probably be considered child abuse today.
 
2014-01-15 05:04:01 PM

reaperducer: When I was a kid, my parents would give me a $20 bill and it was my job to walk to the bar a couple of blocks away, get change from the barman, buy Lucky Strikes and Parliament 100's from the vending machine, and bring the cigarettes home.  My reward was that I got to keep the change.

Yeah, that would probably be considered child abuse today.


Hah!  The days of being able to buy a pack of smokes for your parents are long gone.
 
2014-01-15 05:07:24 PM

ZAZ: Court decision (PDF)

The state tried to take all the woman's children away based solely on that incident.


DYFS in NJ is known to be particularly harsh and ruthless. I have plenty of horror stories from when my friends were growing up.
 
2014-01-15 05:09:20 PM
jshine:

Unless it was specially-modified, it would be impossible to lock anyone inside a car.

Such a modification may be strapping a child in a car seat?
 
2014-01-15 05:10:38 PM

styckx: Two weeks later, the Division filed a Title Nine action, seeking care and custody of all four children.

Jesus christ.. Someone was bored utter contemptible garbage devoid of basic humanity.


Let's be honest here.
 
2014-01-15 05:10:59 PM
Seatbelt?  What's a seatbelt?


daddytypes.com


/Back when everybody's Old Man could smack all 3 kids in the back seat and not lose the ash off his Lucky Strike.
 
2014-01-15 05:11:07 PM

Nightjars: tlars699: Missicat: I don't know....am I the only one thinking that leaving your car in a mall parking with the engine running is stupid, kid or no kid???

Mall/shopping centre? Yes
Strip Mall with small stores and huge windows? Then, no.

Its pretty stupid in either case...  Opportunistic thieves exist, and chances are, one will happen to be in the right place at the right time while you're running into the 7-11 for a pack of smokes, sooner or later.


7/11's don't have easily accessible views of the parking lots in all locations of the store, and they don't have huge window fronts. But they do have credit or debit at the pump for most locations.
GameStop, or NDC, or Payday Loans, one of those small strip mall stores? If you're able to park it out in front of the windows, you should be able to make a 3 minute stop without having to take 20 minutes to take the kids and gear out, and the additional 20 minutes to put the gear and kids back in.
 
2014-01-15 05:17:02 PM
jshine: Unless it was specially-modified, it would be impossible to lock anyone inside a car.

Not true. If I lock my car with the remote there is no way to unlock it without either the key or the remote. If you try the lock plunger up it just springs back down and the doors will not unlock. Even the unlock button inside the car will not function.

It seems pretty stupid to leave your kid in a running car. I don't think it warrants a child abuse/neglect charge but I don't think it should be allowed.
 
2014-01-15 05:18:32 PM

reaperducer: When I was a kid, my parents would give me a $20 bill and it was my job to walk to the bar a couple of blocks away, get change from the barman, buy Lucky Strikes and Parliament 100's from the vending machine, and bring the cigarettes home. My reward was that I got to keep the change.


My dad used to give me a $10 bill, so I could walk to the produce stand across the street, and buy him a carton of Winstons. $10 even. No change for me. :(
 
2014-01-15 05:21:27 PM
One of the mom's at my daughter's school left an infant in the running  car while she dropped off her toddler. Car got stolen.
 
2014-01-15 05:22:47 PM
Home of the Fear
 
2014-01-15 05:23:55 PM
I remember my dad leaving me in the car at a 7-11 or something. I climbed over the seat and accidentally put the car in reverse. He ran out and caught it but was pissed.

/csb
 
2014-01-15 05:24:00 PM

zulius: Are they in danger? No?
Are they afraid? No?
Is it 90 degrees with 80% humidity (or in AZ speak, 100+) no?
Then, mind your own farking business!


Difficulty: the answer to the first question is actually "yes", because you've left a little bugger that loves to do nothing more than pull levers in a massive device with a bunch of levers that can get 'im killed in various ways.

"Oh, but my kid will just sit quietly or can't get out of his car seat".  Until he doesn't, and can.
 
2014-01-15 05:24:43 PM

vodka: jshine: Unless it was specially-modified, it would be impossible to lock anyone inside a car.

Not true. If I lock my car with the remote there is no way to unlock it without either the key or the remote. If you try the lock plunger up it just springs back down and the doors will not unlock. Even the unlock button inside the car will not function.

It seems pretty stupid to leave your kid in a running car. I don't think it warrants a child abuse/neglect charge but I don't think it should be allowed.


You are aware that windows can be broken right?
 
2014-01-15 05:28:43 PM

ZAZ: Court decision (PDF)

The state tried to take all the woman's children away based solely on that incident.


They settled for blocking her driveway with traffic cones.

Seriously, what is that horseshiat at the end of the decision about leaving a kid unattended in a car being "no doubt" a greater risk for injury than the risk of simply existing in New Jersey? Have these dumbfarks on the court never been to Newark or Camden? Talk about a "citation needed" situation.
 
2014-01-15 05:28:59 PM

vodka: jshine: Unless it was specially-modified, it would be impossible to lock anyone inside a car.

Not true. If I lock my car with the remote there is no way to unlock it without either the key or the remote. If you try the lock plunger up it just springs back down and the doors will not unlock. Even the unlock button inside the car will not function.

It seems pretty stupid to leave your kid in a running car. I don't think it warrants a child abuse/neglect charge but I don't think it should be allowed.



Wow -- seems like a very poor design.  In principle, if the remote battery died or the remote was broken or lost while you were inside the car, you could be locked inside your own car with no way to exit (short of breaking the windows).  I've never encountered anything like this.  What type of car do you drive, if you don't mind me asking?
 
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