Uisce Beatha: My boys are both Boy Scouts - and while the national organization may be hostile (yeah, they allow gay scouters, but not leaders, and atherists are techically right out), the local councils have a lot of leeway. Ours, being in the aforementioned college town, has a troop that is probably at least 1/3, if not more, non-Christian. Both my boys are pretty straightforward about their lack of religion. Not a problem in our troop. It's my hope that local change and acceptance like this will lead to national tolerance.
Far Cough: But they've become so insular, pseudo-religious, and quasi-military.
RatMaster999: Far Cough: But they've become so insular, pseudo-religious, and quasi-military.They've always been quasi-military. That was kinda the point in the beginning.
Hand Banana: Do kids even go outside anymore? Little fat asses just sit on their XBoxes all day now.
Fireproof: Far Cough: Boy Scouts: we hate gay peopleThey started allowing gay Scouts a few months ago, and it was a pretty big deal. Where the fark have you been?
JohnCarter: To be clear BSA does not require the Scouts to be Christian, only believe in a higher being. That being said BSA troops are chartered to organizations and are part of said organizations youth and community focus. As majority of troops are charted to churches (LDS / Methodist largest groups) that would lend itself to be a Christian focus. Those chartered to non-Church groups, not so much.
KarmicDisaster: It's too bad, my wife keeps telling me about the awesome time that she had at GS camp back in the day, she still talks about it. It would be great if kids could still have that experience.
Uisce Beatha: JohnCarter: To be clear BSA does not require the Scouts to be Christian, only believe in a higher being. That being said BSA troops are chartered to organizations and are part of said organizations youth and community focus. As majority of troops are charted to churches (LDS / Methodist largest groups) that would lend itself to be a Christian focus. Those chartered to non-Church groups, not so much.Yup. Or troop is chartered through a Methodist Church. Thankfully they are incredibly tolerant, as we are lucky enough to have a fair few Buddhists, a couple of Jain and Hindu, and a notable minority of atheist kids in our troop. The diversity benefits of living in a town with a major university...
RapMstr: My daughter (who is in HS and one of only three HS aged GS in our service area) has expressed jealousy in what her brother gets to do at camp.Your daughter needs to look in to Venturing, the BSA co-ed program.senoy: I think Girl Scouts have a branding problem and they don't understand their constituency. They also face the problem that all organizations for kids are dealing with in that kids are spread incredibly thin.Boy Scouts addressed this issue by essentially returning to very conservative traditional roots. They emphasize outdoor activities and conservative values and they have a solid constituency because of it. Sure, it creates more than its share of enemies, but those aren't they people that were joining the Boy Scouts anyway. If you join the Boy Scouts, you know what you're getting. You're out in the woods building fires and setting snares with a bit of service thrown in for good measure.The Girl Scouts tacked the other way and attempted to adopt a very progressive, feminist slant to their activities. The problem was that the people that join organizations like the Girl Scouts aren't really the same people that support very progressive policies. You ended up having a progressive leadership and a more conservative membership and that always causes issues. It's hard for most people to actually identify with Girl Scouts as anything more than those kids that sell delicious cookies for way too much. As an organization, if you can't sell yourself as more than a cookie peddler and offer a tangible benefit derived from membership in your organization, you're going to lose out to dance, soccer, gymnastics, basketball and everything else on a young girl's plate.
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