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(Quartz)   When it comes to maternity leave, the US is grouped with the coalition of the where the fark are these countries   (qz.com) divider line 132
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2014-01-15 03:14:43 PM
One thing I have learned from living here is that any country that has more generous social policies than the US is "socialist" and any country that has less generous social policies is "repressive". Whatever policy the US has, right now, is the right policy.
 
2014-01-15 03:47:16 PM
Yeah, but the USA has Christ on their side.
 
2014-01-15 03:50:02 PM
In all fairness, women in Papua New Guinea die when they give birth.
 
2014-01-15 04:03:51 PM
In Swaziland and Lesotho, aren't all the women married to the King?

So they do get maternity leave there.
 
2014-01-15 04:27:02 PM
Australia isn't a 3rd world nation.
 
2014-01-15 04:27:28 PM
And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.
 
2014-01-15 04:29:00 PM
www.ritholtz.com
 
2014-01-15 04:29:05 PM

Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.


A couple of military guys I know got paternity leave. I'd never heard of it elsewhere.
 
2014-01-15 04:29:13 PM
'Merika! F*ck You!
 
2014-01-15 04:30:43 PM
Who pays for all that paid maternity leave in the countries which have it?
 
2014-01-15 04:32:18 PM
Six weeks paid, now leave your newborn with a stranger and get back to work.
 
2014-01-15 04:32:22 PM

ikanreed: Australia isn't a 3rd world nation.


reading is fundamental
 
2014-01-15 04:34:20 PM
For a country that's all "think about the children!!!" every time there's a nipple on tv, you sure have some barbaric social policies.

See also: the death penalty.
 
2014-01-15 04:34:26 PM

2chris2: Who pays for all that paid maternity leave in the countries which have it?


There's a map in the article which tells you exactly that - it's a mix of social security, state assistance and employee liability depending on the country.
 
2014-01-15 04:34:47 PM

2chris2: Who pays for all that paid maternity leave in the countries which have it?


In developing countries, I think it's one of those things where legislation does not reflect reality.
 
2014-01-15 04:34:50 PM

libranoelrose: ikanreed: Australia isn't a 3rd world nation.

reading is fundamental


Oh.
 
2014-01-15 04:35:26 PM

2chris2: Who pays for all that paid maternity leave in the countries which have it?


Everyone, through taxes.
/but, that's socialism, right?
 
2014-01-15 04:36:53 PM

Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.


You thought "Equal rights" meant they were actually equal?

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-15 04:37:20 PM

2chris2: Who pays for all that paid maternity leave in the countries which have it?


YOU do!  Your TAXPAYER DOLLARS (tm) pay for them, somehow (Probably through UN Agenda 22 or something) even though you don't live there.
 
2014-01-15 04:38:18 PM

Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.


I know guys who've taken months off for paternity leave, and I work in the legendarily soul-crushing video game industry.  Actually I don't know of any workplace that doesn't have paid maternity/paternity leave.  It's probably not mandated by law, but by the fact that nobody's going to manage to keep employees for longer than it takes the new hire to ask 'What about leave?  Why are you laughing?'
 
2014-01-15 04:38:55 PM

pjc51: employee liability


That should of course be "employer liability".
 
2014-01-15 04:39:12 PM

Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.


In Canada, there's 'leave' which doesn't discriminate between parents, AFAIK.  Mom wants to stay home the whole 12 months? Go for it.  or dad?  Or mom and dad (or mom and mom) want to split it somewhere down the line? No problemo.

But hey, socialism and all that, am I right?
 
2014-01-15 04:40:33 PM

toraque: Actually I don't know of any workplace that doesn't have paid maternity/paternity leave.  It's probably not mandated by law, but by the fact that nobody's going to manage to keep employees for longer than it takes the new hire to ask 'What about leave?  Why are you laughing?'


You're adorable!
 
2014-01-15 04:40:57 PM

slantsix: Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.

In Canada, there's 'leave' which doesn't discriminate between parents, AFAIK.  Mom wants to stay home the whole 12 months? Go for it.  or dad?  Or mom and dad (or mom and mom) want to split it somewhere down the line? No problemo.

But hey, socialism and all that, am I right?


Sort of, the mother gets 15 weeks of leave to recover from the birth and nurse, then the remaining 35 weeks can be split however the parents want.  Adoption leave can be split too.
 
2014-01-15 04:42:45 PM

Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.


The needs of men don't matter - haven't you learned anything snowflake?
 
2014-01-15 04:43:00 PM
Just did a quick Google search and you guys only get 12 weeks maternity leave in the US too? That's insane.
 
2014-01-15 04:43:46 PM

Enigmamf: 2chris2: Who pays for all that paid maternity leave in the countries which have it?

In developing countries, I think it's one of those things where legislation does not reflect reality.


Also, for developing countries, my guess is that you and I are the ones paying for it.
 
2014-01-15 04:44:35 PM

Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.


You can get time off as part of FMLA (technically). It's not paid, though.
 
2014-01-15 04:44:43 PM

Bedstead Polisher: Just did a quick Google search and you guys only get 12 weeks maternity leave in the US too? That's insane.


It is ridiculous.  And what do they pay during that time, 50% of your salary or something?
 
2014-01-15 04:46:16 PM

Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.


Right, daddy needs to recover from that C-section or episiotomy too.
 
2014-01-15 04:46:46 PM
if corn farmers are getting paid to not grow corn, crotchfruit farmers should get paid not to grow crotchfruit.  fark subsidizing your mistakes.
 
2014-01-15 04:47:19 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Bedstead Polisher: Just did a quick Google search and you guys only get 12 weeks maternity leave in the US too? That's insane.

It is ridiculous.  And what do they pay during that time, 50% of your salary or something?


Well according to the article, they get nothing. (Unless their employer is one of the few that does pay).
 
2014-01-15 04:48:10 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.

Right, daddy needs to recover from that C-section or episiotomy too.


Actually, daddy needs to take care of baby while mommy recovers from that C-Section or episiotomy.  Unless daddy is a loser or deadbeat.
 
2014-01-15 04:48:18 PM

Hollie Maea: toraque: Actually I don't know of any workplace that doesn't have paid maternity/paternity leave.  It's probably not mandated by law, but by the fact that nobody's going to manage to keep employees for longer than it takes the new hire to ask 'What about leave?  Why are you laughing?'

You're adorable!


Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting.  The world is an entirely different place when you have marketable skills that are in demand.  Carry on with your thread.
 
2014-01-15 04:50:32 PM
Subby seems to forget that the USA is the GREATEST country on God's green Earth. That alone triumphs ALL graphs, charts, statistics etc!!!!!!

USA USA USA ........... AMERICA FARK YEAHHH! GO USA!!!
 
2014-01-15 04:51:47 PM

Bedstead Polisher: God Is My Co-Pirate: Bedstead Polisher: Just did a quick Google search and you guys only get 12 weeks maternity leave in the US too? That's insane.

It is ridiculous.  And what do they pay during that time, 50% of your salary or something?

Well according to the article, they get nothing. (Unless their employer is one of the few that does pay).


Jesus.
 
2014-01-15 04:54:57 PM
Yes there isn't a law at the federal level, but most states have there own laws.

You would have to look at every state to figure out how bad it is. Never researched it so I couldn't tell you, but the US was based on the states making these decisions for themselves.
 
2014-01-15 04:57:59 PM
I feel no problem not paying someone for not doing their work due to a personal choice they made in life that isn't an option equally open to anyone else.

I also dont enjoy taking on someone elses work, which they are getting paid for but not doing.

you want to spawn? Get your affairs in order first.
 
2014-01-15 05:01:02 PM
12 weeks maternity? WHAT?! My wife had to use FMLA to stay home with our kids. NO PAY! Just the generous agreement they won't fire you in your absence.
 
2014-01-15 05:01:37 PM

LemSkroob: I feel no problem not paying someone for not doing their work due to a personal choice they made in life that isn't an option equally open to anyone else.

I also dont enjoy taking on someone elses work, which they are getting paid for but not doing.

you want to spawn? Get your affairs in order first.


There's the USA we all know and love.
 
2014-01-15 05:02:00 PM

AngryDragon: Contents Under Pressure: Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.

Right, daddy needs to recover from that C-section or episiotomy too.

Actually, daddy needs to take care of baby while mommy recovers from that C-Section or episiotomy.  Unless daddy is a loser or deadbeat.


Mommy doesn't sound very bootstrappy.
 
2014-01-15 05:06:02 PM
Rather than being a nation of the He-man Woman Haters Club, my guess would be that our laws were built in a society that "believed" that if a woman wants a baby she quits her job and raises it - not takes some time off to get it started and then go back to work.  Much as it does not match reality, I can't really argue all that vehemently* with the belief that a kid should be raised by an at-home parent for a few years, and not sent to day care after 3 months, 6 months, a year, whatever.

* There will be people below me that will however...
 
2014-01-15 05:07:52 PM
The US had no mandated holidays, vacation, or sick leave.

So it's all fair.
 
2014-01-15 05:07:54 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.

Right, daddy needs to recover from that C-section or episiotomy too.


Ha! You're part of the problem!
 
2014-01-15 05:15:49 PM

AngryDragon: Contents Under Pressure: Cymbal: And Paternity Leave? Oh wait, that doesn't even exist here.

Right, daddy needs to recover from that C-section or episiotomy too.

Actually, daddy needs to take care of baby while mommy recovers from that C-Section or episiotomy.  Unless daddy is a loser or deadbeat.


This. I went back to work the day after my son was born, because the boss "just didn't think he could manage without me", like a sucker I went. Three days later she's back in the hospital getting her sutures redone.

Kind of hard to adhere to the doctor's orders (no lifting, bed rest) when you're home alone with a newborn cause your husband's boss is a lazy biatch.

She got six weeks. Unpaid. Then had to double up the insurance premiums she missed by being out for 3 pay periods. I got one day. Unpaid. Then was refused unpaid FMLA leave because that meant my boss might have to run a route if someone else called out.

I wound up having to quit so she could recover from the cesarean.
 
2014-01-15 05:16:03 PM
*Sigh*

If you're poor, you quit your job when the nice gubbermint lady comes around and mentions how much easier life is on welfare (compared to your minimum wage job) and just how much welfare you qualify for now that you have a kid.

If you're upper-middle-class, you get weeks or months of (paid?) maternity leave because that's just part of the job description.

If you're rich, you don't work and you have a nanny anyways.

You only get screwed if you're middle class

/Middle class = too rich for welfare and too poor for everything else.
//Also, if you're trying to close the wage/unemployment gap, it's a really terrible idea to mandate that an employer pay you for a year of *not working* at some point.  Just saying.
 
2014-01-15 05:21:47 PM

big pig peaches: Yes there isn't a law at the federal level, but most states have there own laws.

You would have to look at every state to figure out how bad it is. Never researched it so I couldn't tell you, but the US was based on the states making these decisions for themselves.


According to the article, most, in this case, would be three. Three of fifty, in case you weren't sure.
 
2014-01-15 05:22:20 PM
I manage some folks (small staff but a large operation).  I am increasingly frustrated by having so many disappear for maternity reasons (FMLA) or sick children at home.   At the same time, I am sympathetic to people having children and a life outside of work.

That said, my staff, like most in this financial climate, are a skeleton crew.  If I lose one, it's a big deal and I have to pick up the slack.  I am the one responsible.  I have to make it work.  Today, half are out for maternity or family sick time so I come in early and go home late.

It is very difficult to keep things running when people are out.  I hired you to work, and yet, I am doing the work.  The liberal side of me is all for the most days possible for family; the manager side of me just wants you to show up to work.

If you have never been in charge you don't understand.  There are many reasons we are moving towards automation in every area possible.  One of the reasons:  robots don't fill out FMLA forms.
 
2014-01-15 05:27:20 PM
What's weird is there's this big concern with declining birth rates (we're below 'replacement rate', it seems), and the underlying concern especially with declining native white populations, yet the same people who fret about this situation do absolutely nothing to make it easier for families to raise kids.  It's utterly amazing to me there's no guaranteed maternity/paternity leave.  It's super-daunting to have kids in this country in large part because employers have parents around the throat.
 
2014-01-15 05:28:30 PM

meyerkev: *Sigh*

If you're poor, you quit your job when the nice gubbermint lady comes around and mentions how much easier life is on welfare (compared to your minimum wage job) and just how much welfare you qualify for now that you have a kid.

If you're upper-middle-class, you get weeks or months of (paid?) maternity leave because that's just part of the job description.

If you're rich, you don't work and you have a nanny anyways.

You only get screwed if you're middle class

/Middle class = too rich for welfare and too poor for everything else.
//Also, if you're trying to close the wage/unemployment gap, it's a really terrible idea to mandate that an employer pay you for a year of *not working* at some point.  Just saying.


That's why you need a parental leave policy in which the government funds a guaranteed amount - mostly out of EI (employment insurance contributions) and the employer can choose to top it up.

I had a year at 97% of my salary for each of my two kids.  A lot of that came out of my own earlier EI contributions, and I had to sign a contract stating that I'd return to work for at least the same amount of time I took off, or else pay it back.  The only thing I had to do was up my medical coverage to a family plan, for $3.81 a month.

Now I had an exceptional generous plan, even by Canadian standards, but I can't believe how badly off American families have it.
 
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