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(io9)   Not news: A Sci-Fi convention is cancelled. News: Because the hotel didn't agree to the convention's anti-harassment policy. FARK: The hotel staff called the attendees "costumed freaks"   (observationdeck.io9.com ) divider line
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2014-01-15 03:40:39 PM  

harlock: As a veteran of Sci Fi conventions in the late 80s and early 90s, I saw this occasionally flare up.   One time the hotel had inadvisably booked our SciFi con together with some evangelicals, and a few encounters resulted in some complaints.  As a result of that, the hotel posted a set of rules for the SciFi guests.  Rule 6 had to do with PDAs (public displays of affection) which immediately backfired and for many years afterwards T-shirts and stickers and buttons were worn with the phrase "hugs and backrubs, I break rule 6!"



No rishathra in the public spaces.
Save it for the room parties.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 03:41:36 PM  

ongbok: I doesn't bother to me. I was pointing out that all of the pictures that people post on the internet aren't truly representative of what they will likely see. And if you didn't understand that, maybe you need to grow up.


I think that point is so obvious it didn't even need to be expressed.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 03:42:55 PM  

lilplatinum: Fat people should live in shame


Why should they?
 
2014-01-15 03:45:58 PM  
What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?
 
2014-01-15 03:46:45 PM  

redsquid: Oh no! He called me a name- kick him out!
So SF stands for "snow flake' now?


I have the capacity to deal with harassment and bullying without the need for people to help me but it isn't something I enjoy.  I have never in my life sat down after a long day and said to myself, "You know Egoy, today was pretty good but it would have been much better if you had had to go so far as to physically assault someone just to get them to leave you alone.  Maybe tomorrow you should act much more pathetic to lure a would be bully in just so you can teach them a lesson."

Even though the vast majority of con attendees are capable of dealing with these situations just like the general public is (since they are the general public), they paid money to go to this event and shouldn't have to deal with assholes while they are there.  besides which it is the decision of the con organizers to set these policies.  If they feel they will have a better experience and thus more attendees with the policy in place then that is their business.  If they are wrong then the will suffer from reduced attendance each year.
 
2014-01-15 03:48:41 PM  

tillerman35: (That stated, if you could PLEASE not stampede through the halls the night before I have a big presentation with an important client, I'd appreciate it. Just sayin'.)


I've never been to a major hotel that didn't have a few "quiet floors". Floors set up for old funddy duddies that want it quiet after 9pm.


Fav-con pic evar:

img15.imageshack.us


If you get it, you're losing your mind right now because of the awesome.


also, for all the haters:

Mini Master Chief says:

img826.imageshack.us
 
Ant
2014-01-15 03:50:34 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?


They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?
 
2014-01-15 03:53:06 PM  

Ant: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?

They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?


For some people, it is.
 
2014-01-15 03:53:10 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: what a costume freak may look like

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[img21.imageshack.us image 630x960]


Yub Yub.
 
2014-01-15 03:53:15 PM  

ongbok: Dr Dreidel: ongbok: Too bad most o the women attending those conventions don't look like that, or the women that are featured in the pictures from the conventions that show up on the internet. Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.

Awww, you might have to see an "uggo" at all those SciFi conventions you don't go to.

Grow the fark up.

I doesn't bother to me. I was pointing out that all of the pictures that people post on the internet aren't truly representative of what they will likely see. And if you didn't understand that, maybe you need to grow up.


Depends on the con in question.  Sure, you see some who are obviously the wrong body type to pull off the outfit, but you would be surprised in how many are indeed decent to hot.  There is something about being in their element, and knowing they will be the center of attention that drives a lot of cute geeks to dress up to show off what they got.
 
2014-01-15 03:54:41 PM  

Ant: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?

They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?


So they are asking the hotel to basically police the con and punish guests? That's a logistical nightmare that a lot of hotels would prefer to avoid. No matter what they do in any situation they are losing someone's business, even if that person is being an asshole.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 03:56:11 PM  

pxlboy: For some people, it is.


I know.

The thing that really pisses me off is that they act like it's a First Amendment issue if they don't get to harass people at a private event.
 
2014-01-15 03:56:55 PM  

tillerman35: Betcha it has more to do with the average age of attendees than the purpose of the con.  "Let's go to a sedate, business oriented, uncontroversial convention to display our desire to conform to social norms by causing as little disruption to the people around us..." said absolutely NO ONE going to a sci-fi convention.  If you're going to one of those, you're doing it because it's FUN and you want to be around people who are going to let loose and have as much fun as you want to have.  Which is why those cons are awesome.  Except that they're also messier and louder, and they do more damage to the hotel and/or convention center, disrupt more of the other meetings/conventions going on at the same time, have more in-room events that make noise up and down the hallways (despite organizers' dire warnings and/or enforcement).


In my experience having worked a number of cons and dealt with multiple hotels, this is simply not true.  As Ashkuyun mentioned above, business conventions are way more destructive and less willing to pay for damages.  I think this is partially image-related, and partially entitlement. A bunch of geeks and nerds are generally much more considerate with the staff and space, even though they look wild.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 03:57:52 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Ant: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?

They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?

So they are asking the hotel to basically police the con and punish guests? That's a logistical nightmare that a lot of hotels would prefer to avoid. No matter what they do in any situation they are losing someone's business, even if that person is being an asshole.


I'm pretty sure they would just ask the hotel security with assistance in expelling someone who the Con staff had deemed to be a problem.
 
2014-01-15 03:59:35 PM  

pxlboy: Ant: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?

They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?

For some people, it is.



yep,
img62.imageshack.us


FYI that's Jessica Nigri. She does cosplay and conventions for a living. She probably has had to deal with perverts and creeps on a scale I can't imagine. I would pay cash money to find out what would make her react that way.
 
2014-01-15 04:01:27 PM  

Ant: insertsnarkyusername: Ant: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?

They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?

So they are asking the hotel to basically police the con and punish guests? That's a logistical nightmare that a lot of hotels would prefer to avoid. No matter what they do in any situation they are losing someone's business, even if that person is being an asshole.

I'm pretty sure they would just ask the hotel security with assistance in expelling someone who the Con staff had deemed to be a problem.


And the hotel is supposed to kick someone out who paid to be there on the word of the con staff? Ban them from the convention areas you rented out and be done with it. There is no reason the hotel should be involved in this. It's a business, it doesn't care if someone's feelings get hurt, or some girl got leered at or any of that nonsense. If there is an incident that breaks a law the hotel will call the police but that's the extent of the involvement. Being a large customer doesn't give the con the right to decide who can be in the hotel.
 
2014-01-15 04:03:02 PM  
Oh, no! The most materially privileged social demographic in history is being oppressed again!
 
2014-01-15 04:04:56 PM  

AspectRatio: Oh, no! The most materially privileged social demographic in history is being oppressed again!


elves?

img17.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-15 04:06:11 PM  

AspectRatio: Oh, no! The most materially privileged social demographic in history is being oppressed again!


The Catholic Church?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 04:08:59 PM  
insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy?

As far as I can tell, the hotel had no duty. A hotel employee said something along the lines of, "those freaks have an oversensitive hyper-politically correct policy." The hypersensitive overly politically correct freaks took it badly. Words were exchanged, and the hotel let them back out of the contract. Either party could have made the other's experience miserable if they stuck to the letter of the contract.

Quite likely a hotel employee has now been told not to say such things when freaks paying customers are within earshot.

Here is the official statement from the con, based on which I made up the quote above: A senior Westin employee referred to our staff, attendees, and guests as "freaks," and hotel staff expressed their disapproval of our anti-harassment policy.
 
2014-01-15 04:09:34 PM  

Gneisskate: tillerman35: Betcha it has more to do with the average age of attendees than the purpose of the con.  "Let's go to a sedate, business oriented, uncontroversial convention to display our desire to conform to social norms by causing as little disruption to the people around us..." said absolutely NO ONE going to a sci-fi convention.  If you're going to one of those, you're doing it because it's FUN and you want to be around people who are going to let loose and have as much fun as you want to have.  Which is why those cons are awesome.  Except that they're also messier and louder, and they do more damage to the hotel and/or convention center, disrupt more of the other meetings/conventions going on at the same time, have more in-room events that make noise up and down the hallways (despite organizers' dire warnings and/or enforcement).

In my experience having worked a number of cons and dealt with multiple hotels, this is simply not true.  As Ashkuyun mentioned above, business conventions are way more destructive and less willing to pay for damages.  I think this is partially image-related, and partially entitlement. A bunch of geeks and nerds are generally much more considerate with the staff and space, even though they look wild.


This.

Business conventions may smell less of body odor and shattered dreams, but when it comes to drunken rampages and property damage, it's business conventions hands-down.

Though now I'm curious which comicon that tillerman35 had run afoul of.
 
2014-01-15 04:10:34 PM  

AspectRatio: Oh, no! The most materially privileged social demographic in history is being oppressed again!


Choosing to spend money at a different hotel because an employee insulted you at the original isn't oppression, and aside from what you wrote, no one is claiming that they're being oppressed.
 
2014-01-15 04:14:50 PM  

Ant: lilplatinum: Fat people should live in shame

Why should they?


The same reason people in Ed Hardy and MMA shirts should, they are visually disgusting (and not by accident, but by choice) and choose to inflict their obscene appearance upon their betters.
 
2014-01-15 04:16:55 PM  

ZAZ: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy?

As far as I can tell, the hotel had no duty. A hotel employee said something along the lines of, "those freaks have an oversensitive hyper-politically correct policy." The hypersensitive overly politically correct freaks took it badly. Words were exchanged, and the hotel let them back out of the contract. Either party could have made the other's experience miserable if they stuck to the letter of the contract.

Quite likely a hotel employee has now been told not to say such things when freaks paying customers are within earshot.

Here is the official statement from the con, based on which I made up the quote above: A senior Westin employee referred to our staff, attendees, and guests as "freaks," and hotel staff expressed their disapproval of our anti-harassment policy.


This is also part of that statement. ""As we want to put the safety and enjoyment of our guests and attendees first, we requested that the hotel make changes to ensure that our attendees and guests be treated with the same respect as any other Westin hotel guests. By mutual decision, we agreed to part ways with the hotel.".

They don't mention what changes they asked the hotel to make. Not only that but the statement the hotel released basically says Chicon is full of shiat. Which is an odd move for a business, usually it's just easier to sack someone and say you changed. Not deny that the event actually happened.
 
2014-01-15 04:32:19 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-15 04:35:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: tillerman35: (That stated, if you could PLEASE not stampede through the halls the night before I have a big presentation with an important client, I'd appreciate it. Just sayin'.)

I've never been to a major hotel that didn't have a few "quiet floors". Floors set up for old funddy duddies that want it quiet after 9pm.


Fav-con pic evar:

[img15.imageshack.us image 800x684]


If you get it, you're losing your mind right now because of the awesome.


also, for all the haters:

Mini Master Chief says:

[img826.imageshack.us image 416x529]


Molly Exclamation Point Exclamation Point Exclamation Point
 
2014-01-15 04:37:36 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: pxlboy: Ant: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?

They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?

For some people, it is.


yep,
[img62.imageshack.us image 480x270]


FYI that's Jessica Nigri. She does cosplay and conventions for a living. She probably has had to deal with perverts and creeps on a scale I can't imagine. I would pay cash money to find out what would make her react that way.


It's a joke. The concept of "hover hand: is when awkward geeks try to get their picture taken with celebrities/girls in cosplay, but are shy/awkward about where to put their hand so it hovers just around the shoulder of the person whose picture they want. The picture posted is one that's been staged where the guy told her about "hover hand" and they exaggerated it for comedic effect.

/make checks payable to Dr. Hunk Steadman...I have a tax thing....
 
2014-01-15 04:38:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: pxlboy: Ant: insertsnarkyusername: What exactly was the hotel's duties in the harassment policy? It didn't seem very clear. It kind of seems like they wanted to be able to use hotel security every time someone got their feelings hurt?

They just wanted to be able to kick out people who were making the con miserable for others. I don't see a problem. Keep your asshole comments to yourself and/or don't be a lecherous creep. Is that really so difficult?

For some people, it is.


yep,
[img62.imageshack.us image 480x270]


FYI that's Jessica Nigri. She does cosplay and conventions for a living. She probably has had to deal with perverts and creeps on a scale I can't imagine. I would pay cash money to find out what would make her react that way.


Looks like that's a staged Hover Hand photo...not a genuine creeper incident.
 
2014-01-15 04:38:41 PM  

dallylamma: Molly Exclamation Point Exclamation Point Exclamation Point


Molly at Splatter-con wearing a Splatter-con t-shirt with the picture dated in 06 with Bruce Campbell.
 
2014-01-15 04:40:34 PM  

Ant: ongbok: Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.

OMG! They should be banned from showing themselves in public! They should live in shame!


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-15 04:42:39 PM  
This reminds me of the reason that Battlestar Galactica wasn't revived in 1995, it was revived in 2003.

Seriously.

In 1993 science fiction on TV was undergoing something of a revival.  The most famous shows of that era were Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5, but there were several dozen other less famous shows which came and went as well.  FOX wanted a sci-fi action-adventure series, with lots of spaceships and fighting and stuff blowing up and big heroes.

Well, Richard Hatch, the guy who played Apollo on the old Battlestar Galactica (and played Tom Zarek in the new one) had been trying for years to get the show revived.  He even funded a promo/trailer out of his own pocket for the effort.  He'd been shopping this idea of a BSG revival series around, and FOX was interested.

There was a catch.  They would have to pay money to get the rights to BSG, while developing their own show from scratch was free.  FOX would need to be convinced that there were enough fans and support for Galactica to warrant paying for a revival instead of a new show.

Well, the 15th anniversary Battlestar Galactica convention was being held at the Universal City Hilton in Los Angeles in October.  It would be a perfect place to show the executives that Galactica wasn't forgotten and that a revival would get instant fans.  Word went out in the sci-fi community that if you loved BSG, this was THE con to go to, because FOX executives would be there to test the waters for a revival.  If they liked what they saw from fan response, a new show was very likely.

Well, there's a reason that Galactica wasn't revived in the 1990's.  An executive in the Hilton chain was getting married that weekend, and to save money on renting a venue, he was using one of that chain's hotels for his wedding and reception. . .the Universal City Hilton.  He didn't want a bunch of "costume freaks" running around, so on his authority, he ordered the hotel to sabotage the convention.  They didn't cancel on the organizers, they kept their money. . .but anybody who said they were there for the con, was told their reservation was lost, or the convention was cancelled, and turned away.  They even turned away some of the invited guests, who were cast members of the old series.

One guest, Dirk Benedict (i.e.old Starbuck) was turned away and was walking out the door when he saw a fan in costume walking around and came up to him to find out what was happening, and found the con that way.

Basically the bulk of the congoers were shooed away by the hotel.  By the time the FOX executives showed up, the convention had a pathetic, anemic turnout of a small fraction of the pre-registrations they had.  FOX was unimpressed and the revival was dead.

FOX created their own space adventure series to fill their demand: Space: Above and Beyond.

. . .and the revival wouldn't get underway for another decade.

Eventually, after word of this got around and a number of complaints and angry letters from fans, an apology letter was printed in Starlog magazine from the Hilton chain about the incident.
 
2014-01-15 04:43:41 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: dallylamma: Molly Exclamation Point Exclamation Point Exclamation Point

Molly at Splatter-con wearing a Splatter-con t-shirt with the picture dated in 06 with Bruce Campbell.


One of my favorite books in the series so far.
 
2014-01-15 04:50:12 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus:

elves?

[img17.imageshack.us image 427x640]


Yer doin' the Lord's work, Stealth.

threadbombing.com
 
2014-01-15 05:03:51 PM  

Therion: The Stealth Hippopotamus:

elves?

[img17.imageshack.us image 427x640]

Yer doin' the Lord's work, Stealth.

[threadbombing.com image 500x375]



img837.imageshack.us

PROUD
 
2014-01-15 05:12:15 PM  

digitalrain: Bunny Deville: So many other nice hotels suck it up and deal with us "costume freaks" for conventions. Hell, most of them welcome us nerds and our money (many of us have lots of money). I go to DragonCon every year, and pretty much the entirety of downtown Atlanta welcomes the con attendees. I know one of the offsite hotels throws their guests a goddamned barbecue, because they're happy to be full up for 4 or 5 nights. And this is definitely not a Westin thing... I've stayed in the Westin in Atlanta during con. they did everything they could to make my stay even better. The local Westin in my city is hosting a Doctor Who con in June.

So yeah... someone is gonna lose his job over this. Good.

/can I have it please...

I read the headline and was a-skeerd for a moment that DC was being cancelled. After a several year hiatus,
my husband and I are going this year - bringing our oldest son for his first Con ever. It should be a pretty cool
time.


We're bringing both kids (and my mother to watch them at night). Planning on a family Adventure Time cosplay. We brought our daughter for the last two years, and since she is a good little nerd/video game freak, she loved it.
 
2014-01-15 05:16:32 PM  
As a long-time con veteran (started going in the mid-80's and average around 10 a year still), I've seen just about every possible action and reaction from hotel management imaginable.

Basically, most hotels who have never deal with fandom before are a bit trepidatious about the event as they aren't really sure what to expect and don't really "get" the genre. However, once they do see what's going on - lots of room nights sold along with filled hotel bars and restaurants for the weekend - they almost always get behind the convention.

Some of the smarter hotels even allow their wait staff and bar staff to dress in costume (the Hyatt Regency at DragonCon as an example) which not only makes attendees feel welcome but also helps with higher tips for the staff.

But there are still a few hotel managers who are more concerned with the "image" of their property than seeing past the costumes and general freakiness to see the dollar signs. This is a prime example, and the Westin in question deserves all the derision they get.
 
2014-01-15 05:24:50 PM  

Winterlight: Some of the smarter hotels even allow their wait staff and bar staff to dress in costume (the Hyatt Regency at DragonCon as an example) which not only makes attendees feel welcome but also helps with higher tips for the staff.


THAT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA!!!

How the hell am I suppose to locate and get my beverage? Quick and repetitive drinks is key to my happiness. I don't think they want me to be asking every woman in cosplay for a refill.
 
2014-01-15 05:33:21 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: THAT'S A HORRIBLE IDEA!!!

How the hell am I suppose to locate and get my beverage? Quick and repetitive drinks is key to my happiness. I don't think they want me to be asking every woman in cosplay for a refill.


It actually works very well. They all have very visible name tags and they're easy to spot as they are the ones carrying trays of drinks back and forth constantly. A lot of desk clerks at the DragonCon hotels have also been getting into costume, which is pretty cool, too.
 
2014-01-15 05:33:56 PM  
if i was a hotel manager with a convention and the convention organisers came back to me and said that due to complaints they had updated their policies to specifically tell the attendees that sexual assault and unwanted advancement is specifically banned, i'd be worried about what i was getting myself into...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 05:42:19 PM  
For the opposite of Winerlight's tales, read about Boskone from Hell. Do note that it is about a 27 year old event. Times change. Boskone only spent 15 years wandering in the wilderness and is back in its hometown.
 
2014-01-15 05:43:06 PM  

rjakobi: As Ashkuyun mentioned above, business conventions are way more destructive and less willing to pay for damages.  I think this is partially image-related, and partially entitlement. A bunch of geeks and nerds are generally much more considerate with the staff and space, even though they look wild.

This.

Business conventions may smell less of body odor and shattered dreams, but when it comes to drunken rampages and property damage, it's business conventions hands-down.

Though now I'm curious which comicon that tillerman35 had run afoul of.


It's not just business conventions, either.  There's a small sci-fi convention in Silicon Valley on Memorial Day weekend that always ends up sharing hotel space with a Catholic Charisma convention.  The sci-fi convention has never had issues with underage drinking, but I can't say the same about the Catholic Charisma convention.

Although my favorite story about simultaneous conventions has to be from about a year ago, when the San Jose Convention Center hosted a volleyball convention and a furry convention on the same weekend.
 
2014-01-15 06:02:08 PM  

Pocket Ninja: So the hotel lost $100,000 in business, and another hotel will get it.

What's the problem, again?


The con--which is a volunteer-run affair, not a business--will be losing any money it has already spent trying to put this event together.  They will have to refund a bunch of pre-paid memberships.  They may be able to salvage the even in 2015, and do well enough to be able to hold the next Chi-Fi, or they may not.  Most fan-run conventions are always operating on the margin of viability.  Sure, the commercial conventions are more profitable, but they're not the same experience at all.  They also are less likely to care about harassment.
 
2014-01-15 06:03:53 PM  

AspectRatio: Oh, no! The most materially privileged social demographic in history is being oppressed again!


By voluntarily choosing not to do business with a company that is unwilling to meet the requirements for their show?

You have an odd notion of what constitutes oppression.
 
2014-01-15 06:04:42 PM  

tlchwi02: if i was a hotel manager with a convention and the convention organisers came back to me and said that due to complaints they had updated their policies to specifically tell the attendees that sexual assault and unwanted advancement is specifically banned, i'd be worried about what i was getting myself into...


Nothing that hasn't been going on at all the business conventions and trade shows that you had been hosting, except that these people decided to stop tolerating it at their conventions.
 
2014-01-15 06:14:30 PM  

tillerman35: I've never been to a hotel and had the check-in clerk say "we apologize in advance for any inconvenience caused by the insurance agents' convention that's going on during your stay." I've heard apologies for the sci-fi/comic-book/whatever conventions going on plenty of times.


Perception is not reality.  The SF congoers may look weird, but the Shriners do far more damage and illegal activity.
 
2014-01-15 06:15:15 PM  
It likely had a lot to do with someone trying to dictate rules for the employees which undermines their employer's rules. If paid staff someplace gives you a problem, speak to management and have the problem resolved like normal people. Stop trying to preemptively control the situation because it won't work.There are times when not walking away isn't harassment because it's your damn job. The agreement would require them to walk away anytime someone said "no."

Also, if someone calls you names, they're only insulting your heroic identity, so you can be secure in that you're still special and perfect, and nothing bad has ever been said about you, ever.
 
2014-01-15 06:20:21 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: So they are asking the hotel to basically police the con and punish guests? That's a logistical nightmare that a lot of hotels would prefer to avoid. No matter what they do in any situation they are losing someone's business, even if that person is being an asshole.


No, cons have their own staff for enforcing con rules.  When the offending party won't leave, that is when they involve the hotel's security.  Most hotels understand the concept of a problem guest no longer being welcome at the event.
 
2014-01-15 06:21:59 PM  

flondrix: Perception is not reality.  The SF congoers may look weird, but the Shriners do far more damage and illegal activity.


This.

A group of people who often times spent much of their lives being shiat on by others, make other outsiders their family, and in general are very accepting of those outside of the "norm" take events like this to let loose with like minded people. They're there to have fun with others and since they don't spend their lives making trouble this non-trouble making continues to their fun times. I've never seen scifi/anime con goers be shait-heads in general. The worst you'll get are thousand-yard stares.
 
2014-01-15 06:48:17 PM  
I just object to calling these "comic" conventions or "scifi" conventions, when we all know they've all degenerated into cosplay conventions at this point.
 
2014-01-15 06:51:18 PM  

rjakobi: madgordy: back in the 80's I attended a few SciFi conventions, V-Con, NorwestCon and the like.  there was a contingent of Republican Jesus types who would walk in and accuse everyone of being Satanists, go through the merchant rooms and claim that every piece of merchandise was Satanic,  even crosses.   I recall walking up beside them and asking about Satanist discounts, or posting room numbers for black mass.

those were the days.

See, this is why you get several people cosplaying as Jesus on Sunday at the cons.


Republican Jesus, Free Trade Jesus, Liburul Jesus, and Furry Jesus riding a velociraptor?
 
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