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(io9)   Not news: A Sci-Fi convention is cancelled. News: Because the hotel didn't agree to the convention's anti-harassment policy. FARK: The hotel staff called the attendees "costumed freaks"   (observationdeck.io9.com) divider line 136
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2014-01-15 01:21:17 PM
NERDS!
 
2014-01-15 01:27:46 PM
I know nothing about these folks except that there are a lot of them. That's gonna be an expensive cancellation.
 
2014-01-15 01:38:38 PM
So the hotel lost $100,000 in business, and another hotel will get it.

What's the problem, again?
 
2014-01-15 01:48:28 PM

Pocket Ninja: So the hotel lost $100,000 in business, and another hotel will get it.

What's the problem, again?


Exactly. Someone's gonna lose their job over this.
 
2014-01-15 01:50:23 PM

Calmamity: Pocket Ninja: So the hotel lost $100,000 in business, and another hotel will get it.

What's the problem, again?

Exactly. Someone's gonna lose their job over this.


Yep!  The customer is always right.  Hope that sneering contempt pays the mortgage...
 
2014-01-15 01:55:11 PM
Sounds like a furry situation.

Sounds like the fur was flying
.

Sounds like someone got their back hair up.

I could probably go on.
 
2014-01-15 01:57:49 PM
Let's be honest here - those sci-fi conventions scare most of us.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:59 PM
Yeah, that's a tenuous situation.  Scifi geeks overwhelmingly tend to be Grammar Nazis as well, so misspelling the word "costumed" around them might be a bad idea.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 02:03:39 PM
Seems to be a win-win situation. The hotel is better off without the demanding freaks and the freaks are better off without the uptight hotel.

The article reminds me of a type of person who used to pop up in book related discussions. He/she would complain that he/she liked to go into bookstores, grab a book, and read. Eventually the staff would tire of this and make a request like, buy something if you're going to sit here all day. The browser would get outraged, return the book to the shelf, walk out, and NEVER GO BACK. Each thought the other had been taught a lesson and lost the exchange. Win-win.

(For you younger Farkers, bookstores used to be places you could go to find bound paper versions of books. Like modern bookstores, they often allowed patrons to read excerpts of books before buying the whole thing.)
 
2014-01-15 02:06:29 PM
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"To them you're just a freak...like me."
 
2014-01-15 02:20:57 PM
The ghost of Disclave still haunts the halls of the New Carrollton Ramada.
 
2014-01-15 02:29:07 PM

StrikitRich: Sounds like a furry situation.

Sounds like the fur was flying.

Sounds like someone got their back hair up.

I could probably go on.


Furries don't normally furry at Sci-Fi conventions. They usually geek/nerd out instead.

2wolves: The ghost of Disclave still haunts the halls of the New Carrollton Ramada.


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I'm thinking of cosplaying as Arcade Gannon at Midsouth Con this year. :)
 
2014-01-15 02:32:44 PM
GM probably found out what "yiffing " meant.
 
2014-01-15 02:36:21 PM
The "costumed freaks" are the best part.
 
2014-01-15 02:40:28 PM
So many other nice hotels suck it up and deal with us "costume freaks" for conventions. Hell, most of them welcome us nerds and our money (many of us have lots of money). I go to DragonCon every year, and pretty much the entirety of downtown Atlanta welcomes the con attendees. I know one of the offsite hotels throws their guests a goddamned barbecue, because they're happy to be full up for 4 or 5 nights. And this is definitely not a Westin thing... I've stayed in the Westin in Atlanta during con. they did everything they could to make my stay even better. The local Westin in my city is hosting a Doctor Who con in June.

So yeah... someone is gonna lose his job over this. Good.

/can I have it please...
 
2014-01-15 02:45:14 PM
As a veteran of Sci Fi conventions in the late 80s and early 90s, I saw this occasionally flare up.   One time the hotel had inadvisably booked our SciFi con together with some evangelicals, and a few encounters resulted in some complaints.  As a result of that, the hotel posted a set of rules for the SciFi guests.  Rule 6 had to do with PDAs (public displays of affection) which immediately backfired and for many years afterwards T-shirts and stickers and buttons were worn with the phrase "hugs and backrubs, I break rule 6!"
 
2014-01-15 02:46:04 PM
Also, something that is worth mentioning is that in most cases, SciFi cons fill up hotels on otherwise dead weekends where there would be nothing else.   So they are likely losing that money in its entirety, it won't be replaced by another event.
 
2014-01-15 02:46:37 PM
I'm going to SCARAB gaming con Friday, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2014-01-15 02:49:54 PM

harlock: T-shirts and stickers and buttons were worn with the phrase "hugs and backrubs, I break rule 6!"


Whoa easy there chief. That's really pushing the limits there.
 
2014-01-15 02:52:13 PM

2wolves: The ghost of Disclave still haunts the halls of the New Carrollton Ramada.


I was working security at that event.  So a chance for a Star Wars quote:  "It's not my fault."
 
2014-01-15 02:52:57 PM

Pocket Ninja: So the hotel lost $100,000 in business, and another hotel will get it.

What's the problem, again?


It's gonna cost more than $100,000 to get rid of the resulting smell.
 
2014-01-15 02:53:53 PM
It wasn't cancelled.  It just moved.
 
2014-01-15 02:55:14 PM
what a costume freak may look like

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2014-01-15 02:56:36 PM
I'd like to get me some Doom Kitty...
 
2014-01-15 02:56:50 PM
I remember talking to the hotel staff during an anime convention in the D.C. area some time ago and asking them how the anime/sci-fi conventions were compared to the other conventions and events that took place there. The staff said that they looked forward to the anime convention more than almost anything else because it was both interesting to watch and the attendees were better behaved on the whole than the drunken businessmen that populated the business meetings/conventions that also took place at the hotel.
 
2014-01-15 02:58:35 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: what a costume freak may look like

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Too bad most o the women attending those conventions don't look like that, or the women that are featured in the pictures from the conventions that show up on the internet. Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.
 
2014-01-15 03:03:23 PM

ongbok: Too bad most o the women attending those conventions don't look like that, or the women that are featured in the pictures from the conventions that show up on the internet. Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.


well, there is no reason to dwell on the negative.
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And it's not just the ladies that do that.....

the horror the horror
 
2014-01-15 03:05:01 PM
back in the 80's I attended a few SciFi conventions, V-Con, NorwestCon and the like.  there was a contingent of Republican Jesus types who would walk in and accuse everyone of being Satanists, go through the merchant rooms and claim that every piece of merchandise was Satanic,  even crosses.   I recall walking up beside them and asking about Satanist discounts, or posting room numbers for black mass.

those were the days.
 
2014-01-15 03:06:48 PM
There was a sort of similar incident a few years ago that threatened to derail one of Virginia's conventions a few years ago, only that the hotel spokesman used the excuse of customer safety when a person got stabbed while the con was going on. Eventually, the spokesman got yanked aside and had it patiently explained to her that the con is one of the hotel's more lucrative days (and that stabbing thing was gang related). Every now and then I hear stories about the hotel still short selling congoers who stay there, but a overall, I think they got the hint.

TL;DR. Conventions get you money. Sci-fi cons get you damn lots of money. If you do not want costume freak money, there's something wrong with you.

Ask people in Pittsburgh about Anthrocon and its effect on local business. You'll be surprised.
 
2014-01-15 03:06:50 PM
Oh no! He called me a name- kick him out!
So SF stands for "snow flake' now?
 
2014-01-15 03:09:23 PM

madgordy: back in the 80's I attended a few SciFi conventions, V-Con, NorwestCon and the like.  there was a contingent of Republican Jesus types who would walk in and accuse everyone of being Satanists, go through the merchant rooms and claim that every piece of merchandise was Satanic,  even crosses.   I recall walking up beside them and asking about Satanist discounts, or posting room numbers for black mass.

those were the days.


See, this is why you get several people cosplaying as Jesus on Sunday at the cons.
 
2014-01-15 03:10:22 PM

redsquid: So SF stands for "snow flake' now?


It didn't before?


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2014-01-15 03:11:23 PM
Yeah, you know what? If a business can't respect its customers, it doesn't deserve the business. Any service industry job I held, I would have gotten fired for calling the customers freaks. Go somewhere where you guys will at least get treated like customers, fark this shiat-ass hotel.
 
2014-01-15 03:11:54 PM
Why would a hotel be adamantly pro-harassment?

/ They aren't wrong about the costumed freaks
 
2014-01-15 03:13:04 PM
The last time I stayed at the convention center Hyatt in Seattle there was an anime convention that took place shortly after I arrived. For some reason there was a contingent of furries, so yes costumed freaks. It's bad when even the nerdiest 16 year old dressed as an obscure character is talking about how those people are making all of the "regular" cosplayers look bad.
 
2014-01-15 03:14:35 PM

redsquid: Oh no! He called me a name- kick him out!
So SF stands for "snow flake' now?


I know this seems like a page from Rick Romero's school of business, but if a group of people are willing to spend a lot of money collectively for services you offer it's best not to insult them.  At least not until after they've given you have deposited their money.
 
2014-01-15 03:17:00 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: redsquid: So SF stands for "snow flake' now?

It didn't before?


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I've loved to aim for their small thermal exhaust port, just below the main port.
 
2014-01-15 03:19:06 PM

ongbok: Too bad most o the women attending those conventions don't look like that, or the women that are featured in the pictures from the conventions that show up on the internet. Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.


Awww, you might have to see an "uggo" at all those SciFi conventions you don't go to.

Grow the fark up.
 
2014-01-15 03:23:03 PM

Bunny Deville: So many other nice hotels suck it up and deal with us "costume freaks" for conventions. Hell, most of them welcome us nerds and our money (many of us have lots of money). I go to DragonCon every year, and pretty much the entirety of downtown Atlanta welcomes the con attendees. I know one of the offsite hotels throws their guests a goddamned barbecue, because they're happy to be full up for 4 or 5 nights. And this is definitely not a Westin thing... I've stayed in the Westin in Atlanta during con. they did everything they could to make my stay even better. The local Westin in my city is hosting a Doctor Who con in June.

So yeah... someone is gonna lose his job over this. Good.

/can I have it please...


I read the headline and was a-skeerd for a moment that DC was being cancelled. After a several year hiatus,
my husband and I are going this year - bringing our oldest son for his first Con ever. It should be a pretty cool
time.
 
2014-01-15 03:23:35 PM

Dr Dreidel: ongbok: Too bad most o the women attending those conventions don't look like that, or the women that are featured in the pictures from the conventions that show up on the internet. Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.

Awww, you might have to see an "uggo" at all those SciFi conventions you don't go to.

Grow the fark up.


I doesn't bother to me. I was pointing out that all of the pictures that people post on the internet aren't truly representative of what they will likely see. And if you didn't understand that, maybe you need to grow up.
 
2014-01-15 03:25:25 PM

harlock: Also, something that is worth mentioning is that in most cases, SciFi cons fill up hotels on otherwise dead weekends where there would be nothing else.   So they are likely losing that money in its entirety, it won't be replaced by another event.


And the linked article said an expected 2,000 to 3,000 attendees. With a (very) conservative outlay of $200 per attendee, there would have to be some head rolling for this one.
 
2014-01-15 03:28:17 PM

redsquid: Oh no! He called me a name- kick him out!
So SF stands for "snow flake' now?


It's more about, "they wanted to give us money, he/she insulted them so they went to the considerable time/expense of dissolving their contract with us and cost us $100,00 up front, and probably quite a bit more than from cancelled hotel reservations, etc.  Now it's public.  Fire him/her."

I can't blame the convention (if it's true).  Unless I'm in a Montey Python skit, I don't normally pay to be insulted by the staff.  If they feel the need to do so, then I and my $ will go somewhere else.
 
2014-01-15 03:30:39 PM
The Prime Directive applies to Sci-Fi conventions too!
 
2014-01-15 03:31:49 PM

meathome: redsquid: Oh no! He called me a name- kick him out!
So SF stands for "snow flake' now?

It's more about, "they wanted to give us money, he/she insulted them so they went to the considerable time/expense of dissolving their contract with us and cost us $100,00 up front, and probably quite a bit more than from cancelled hotel reservations, etc.  Now it's public.  Fire him/her."

I can't blame the convention (if it's true).  Unless I'm in a Montey Python skit, I don't normally pay to be insulted by the staff.  If they feel the need to do so, then I and my $ will go somewhere else.


You ever notice that the biggest assholes think that they have the right to insult people without any repercussion, and when a person retaliates against being insulted the asshole will claim something is wrong with the person for retaliating.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 03:32:54 PM

ongbok: Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.


OMG! They should be banned from showing themselves in public! They should live in shame!
 
2014-01-15 03:34:00 PM
Betcha it has more to do with the average age of attendees than the purpose of the con.  "Let's go to a sedate, business oriented, uncontroversial convention to display our desire to conform to social norms by causing as little disruption to the people around us..." said absolutely NO ONE going to a sci-fi convention.  If you're going to one of those, you're doing it because it's FUN and you want to be around people who are going to let loose and have as much fun as you want to have.  Which is why those cons are awesome.  Except that they're also messier and louder, and they do more damage to the hotel and/or convention center, disrupt more of the other meetings/conventions going on at the same time, have more in-room events that make noise up and down the hallways (despite organizers' dire warnings and/or enforcement).

I've never been to a hotel and had the check-in clerk say "we apologize in advance for any inconvenience caused by the insurance agents' convention that's going on during your stay."  I've heard apologies for the sci-fi/comic-book/whatever conventions going on plenty of times.

So I can see it from the hotel's point of view - it might just be that the hassle isn't worth the money.

Personally, I don't mind the costumed freaks.  Let 'em have their fun.  You're only young once.

(That stated, if you could PLEASE not stampede through the halls the night before I have a big presentation with an important client, I'd appreciate it.  Just sayin'.)
 
2014-01-15 03:35:18 PM

Ant: ongbok: Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.

OMG! They should be banned from showing themselves in public! They should live in shame!


They quite obviously have the right to show themselves in public. And it's not a pretty sight.
 
Ant
2014-01-15 03:36:26 PM

redsquid: Oh no! He called me a name- kick him out!
So SF stands for "snow flake' now?


Oh no! Assholes don't get free reign to be assholes!
 
2014-01-15 03:37:29 PM
Well any non obese freak who was staying at the hotel during this time caught a lucky break.
 
2014-01-15 03:39:49 PM

Ant: ongbok: Most of the women at those conventions are about 20-30 pounds, or more, heavier and trying to squeeze into a costume the size of the one the girl in your picture is wearing.

OMG! They should be banned from showing themselves in public! They should live in shame!


Fat people should live in shame, even if we can't ban them from showing themselves in public.   However, the original point was not that, but that the pictures of professional models that losers put up in these threads is not exactly representative of the type of person who would actually be at the cons for something other than a paycheck.
 
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