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(Huffington Post)   Obama expected to rein in domestic spying program started by the Bush administration. Both sides still bad   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 75
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2014-01-15 02:52:30 PM  

s2s2s2: Obama expected to reign in domestic spying info leakers.

FTFY


Obama is seeking to be the leader in a group called "Domestic Spying Info Leakers"?

//in case it hasn't been mentioned in this thread 47 god damn times earlier, rein =/= reign.
 
2014-01-15 02:57:47 PM  

Headso: qorkfiend: Headso: qorkfiend: SpacePirate: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

Same. I'm expecting a flaccid speech that doesn't acknowledge the scope of the Snowden leaks and sincere promises treat our "metadata" with more respect in their cutesy secret courts.

/he could have closed gitmo via executive order you politically convenient tools

And done what with the inmates? Pop them on a raft and push them away from the dock with an "off you go, then"? How about when Congress refuses to provide any funding for rafts?

a bunch of people who were turned in by their neighbors for reward money will be sent back to Afghanistan?

By whom? No money appropriated for transportation, no guarantee that they won't be arrested or tortured when they get back to Afghanistan (which means that repatriating them would be in violation of US law), no other country that will agree to that precondition is willing to take them, explicitly barred from transferring them to US soil and trying them in civilian courts...

The military doesn't need money appropriated to move people from one military base to the other and come on violating US law? like holding people without trial for years on end or torturing them? Since when are they concerned about that when it comes to these detainees.


Ok, we would have moved them where (some military prison, presumably) and done what with them? All you'd be doing is moving Guantanamo to Ft. Leavenworth and claiming "problem solved".

And yes, contrary to your assertion, the military does need money appropriated to do things. You can also be certain that particular sections of Congress would be very "concerned" about the President violating US law.

It was a political question, but the outcome of that political question has resulted in very real legal hurdles which can't be hand-waved away with a "he should have just done X".
 
2014-01-15 03:01:59 PM  

ScaryBottles: BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.

Irregardless, you know what they meant.

Oh you are the worst kind of person. Its still not as bad as "arguably" or "concerning"


Fair warning: one day I'm going to hijack an entire Fark thread and devote it to my horror at the recent trend of using an adjective when an adverb is called for. If you think my little joke here is sufficient to justify your conclusion (correct, as it happens) that I am indeed the worst kind of person, you are sadly mistaken. I am literally the Adolph Hitler of grammar Nazis.

/literally
 
2014-01-15 03:04:24 PM  

coeyagi: s2s2s2: Obama expected to reign in domestic spying info leakers.

FTFY

Obama is seeking to be the leader in a group called "Domestic Spying Info Leakers"?

//in case it hasn't been mentioned in this thread 47 god damn times earlier, rein =/= reign.


I copied/pasted it from the headline*. Of course, that doesn't change the fact I didn't correct the spelling. Truly, I stand here, humbled. Thank you, Coe. You have saved me.

*before the headline was changed.
 
2014-01-15 03:06:45 PM  

Evil High Priest: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

How, exactly, would you like him to do that? Please be specific.


Just send them all back to their home countries, he can get them with a drone later.
 
2014-01-15 03:08:21 PM  

s2s2s2: coeyagi: s2s2s2: Obama expected to reign in domestic spying info leakers.

FTFY

Obama is seeking to be the leader in a group called "Domestic Spying Info Leakers"?

//in case it hasn't been mentioned in this thread 47 god damn times earlier, rein =/= reign.

I copied/pasted it from the headline*. Of course, that doesn't change the fact I didn't correct the spelling. Truly, I stand here, humbled. Thank you, Coe. You have saved me.

*before the headline was changed.


Sarcasm notwithstaning, you're welcome.  Here to help.
 
2014-01-15 03:12:22 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.


Hey, this ain't a libary.
 
2014-01-15 03:29:46 PM  
What are the proposed changes? I didnt read the article.

And I doubt it will matter, anyway. The NSA is like Cartman and it does what it wants.
 
2014-01-15 03:31:41 PM  

fatandolder: Evil High Priest: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

How, exactly, would you like him to do that? Please be specific.

Just send them all back to their home countries, he can get them with a drone later.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-may-soon-be-able-close-gitmo
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/closing-guantanamo

If the Senate passes the NDAA, the transfer process would no longer include some of the most onerous restrictions. Right now, the NDAA bans the transfer of prisoners to the United States in order to stand trial in a civilian court. It also requires that the Secretary of Defense be able to certify that a detainee will not do anything after their release that would threaten national security, an impossible standard to meet. The new NDAA would remove the ban on bringing prisoners here for trial or medical treatment.
 
2014-01-15 03:34:55 PM  

stoli n coke: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.

Hey, this ain't a libary.

 Hey, loose the attitude there buddy.
 
2014-01-15 04:57:54 PM  
He's been in office 5 years, but ya, BUSH BUSH BUSH....
 
2014-01-15 04:58:54 PM  

s2s2s2: Satan's Bunny Slippers: BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.

Irregardless, you know what they meant.

Supposubly.

:)

You guys should of studied more.


I think they took good grammar for granite.
 
2014-01-15 05:07:03 PM  

Stoner Mike: He's been in office 5 years, but ya, BUSH BUSH BUSH....


He's been busy, what with all the not-closing Gitmo and all.
 
2014-01-15 05:16:14 PM  
Yeah, Obama came into office learned of these programs (?) and didn't do shiat about them. Snowden makes it a national debate (if not a global one) and only after all that does Obama say that he's maybe thinking about making a few changes. So don't act surprised when someone scoffs at the notion that Obama is actually some kind of Bil of Rights reformer.
 
2014-01-15 05:18:30 PM  

Gunny Highway: Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.

Isnt this a case of the NSA/intelligence community guys saying, "do you want to have a terrorist attack on US soil and not do everything you can to stop it" and politicians getting bullied into going along with policy?

/gross over simplification I know


Not at all. It's really as simple as that.
 
2014-01-15 05:22:54 PM  

Evil High Priest: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

How, exactly, would you like him to do that? Please be specific.


Obama can't do it because fire can't melt steel.
 
2014-01-15 05:34:02 PM  

Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.


I doubt that. Harry S Truman created the NSA to specifically deal with the threat of communism. I highly doubt there wasn't any spying going on domestically, especially since most people had no idea the NSA even existed. Here's how Truman defined their mission as "to defeat terrorists and their organizations at home and abroad, consistent with U.S. laws and the protection of privacy and civil liberties." [emphasis mine]
 
2014-01-15 06:49:17 PM  

jigger: Yeah, Obama came into office learned of these programs (?) and didn't do shiat about them. Snowden makes it a national debate (if not a global one) and only after all that does Obama say that he's maybe thinking about making a few changes. So don't act surprised when someone scoffs at the notion that Obama is actually some kind of Bil of Rights reformer.


What do you expect from a Constitutional scholar, knowledge of the Constitution?
 
2014-01-15 07:34:28 PM  

qorkfiend: And done what with the inmates? Pop them on a raft and push them away from the dock with an "off you go, then"? How about when Congress refuses to provide any funding for rafts?


Go eyeball to eyeball with Congress: "Fine then; I'll grant al Qaeda free passage to pick them up since you're unwilling to do the right thing"

Congress would blink.
 
2014-01-15 08:33:19 PM  
He said the same thing when he was campaigning in '08 and sat on his ass for a term and a half before having his and forced by Snowden. I fully expect this to take at least until his 3rd term.
 
2014-01-15 08:51:28 PM  

winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.


You don't even have to go this far.

He promised to rein in domestic spying programs when he was still campaigning on hope and change and ended up letting a gigantic NSA data warehouse program move forward and continued data gathering.  Now I see people singing praises about him begrudgingly making the same promises againafter his administration got caught red handed.

It's like a weird mix of memory loss and Stockholm syndrome.
 
2014-01-16 02:42:35 AM  

DeaH: Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.

I doubt that. Harry S Truman created the NSA to specifically deal with the threat of communism. I highly doubt there wasn't any spying going on domestically, especially since most people had no idea the NSA even existed. Here's how Truman defined their mission as "to defeat terrorists and their organizations at home and abroad, consistent with U.S. laws and the protection of privacy and civil liberties." [emphasis mine]


Yep. At best, maybe the NSA will do something symbolic, then just increase the secrecy and be pickier about their security.

The invasion of privacy sucks, but it's been here for ages, and it's not going anywhere until America stops electing authoritarians. I am, however. pleasantly surprised that the NSA hasn't left the popular consciousness by now. I figured the public would've been distracted by some other, fresher 'scandal' by now. And, although it's a small one, pressuring the President to even make a *show* of 'reining in' the NSA is a good first step. They know that Americans have a limit, and they won't stop paying attention quite as fast as they used to.

It's not much, but it's a start.
 
2014-01-16 08:19:06 AM  
Why won't Obama do anything?

Omg! Obama is doing something, what a dictator


/duuuurrrrp
 
2014-01-16 09:13:26 AM  

LordJiro: DeaH: Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.

I doubt that. Harry S Truman created the NSA to specifically deal with the threat of communism. I highly doubt there wasn't any spying going on domestically, especially since most people had no idea the NSA even existed. Here's how Truman defined their mission as "to defeat terrorists and their organizations at home and abroad, consistent with U.S. laws and the protection of privacy and civil liberties." [emphasis mine]

Yep. At best, maybe the NSA will do something symbolic, then just increase the secrecy and be pickier about their security.

The invasion of privacy sucks, but it's been here for ages, and it's not going anywhere until America stops electing authoritarians. I am, however. pleasantly surprised that the NSA hasn't left the popular consciousness by now. I figured the public would've been distracted by some other, fresher 'scandal' by now. And, although it's a small one, pressuring the President to even make a *show* of 'reining in' the NSA is a good first step. They know that Americans have a limit, and they won't stop paying attention quite as fast as they used to.

It's not much, but it's a start.


At this point, I am not sure elections will have much or any impact on the NSA. The NSA has gone SkyNet. It's a separate government, and our elected officials have very little impact on them at all.
 
2014-01-16 10:17:47 AM  

tbhouston: Why won't Obama do anything?

Omg! Obama is doing something, what a dictator


/duuuurrrrp


He's been in office for five years and only started doing this now after facing criticism from both sides.

/duuuurrrrrp
 
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