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(Huffington Post)   Obama expected to rein in domestic spying program started by the Bush administration. Both sides still bad   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 75
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2014-01-15 11:10:31 AM
I'll believe it when it happens
 
2014-01-15 11:15:17 AM
NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.
 
2014-01-15 11:27:05 AM
or "rein in."
 
2014-01-15 11:35:58 AM
Did anybody read that as "Obama expected to resign..."?
 
2014-01-15 11:43:27 AM

Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.


Isnt this a case of the NSA/intelligence community guys saying, "do you want to have a terrorist attack on US soil and not do everything you can to stop it" and politicians getting bullied into going along with policy?

/gross over simplification I know
 
2014-01-15 11:52:03 AM
REIGN ON MEEEE

/sorry.
 
2014-01-15 12:03:23 PM

Gunny Highway: Isnt this a case of the NSA/intelligence community guys saying, "do you want to have a terrorist attack on US soil and not do everything you can to stop it" and politicians getting bullied into going along with policy?


I think there is also a lot of people in the intelligence community who feel that politicians come and go, but they'll be there to oversee the process regardless of elections.

Once we start sending some of these people to jail, we'll see some changes. Not before that.
 
2014-01-15 12:51:01 PM
He isn't going to rein in squat.  The NSA does what the NSA wants.
 
2014-01-15 12:53:09 PM

Gunny Highway: Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.

Isnt this a case of the NSA/intelligence community guys saying, "do you want to have a terrorist attack on US soil and not do everything you can to stop it" and politicians getting bullied into going along with policy?

/gross over simplification I know


And when that fails there's always the "hey this girl you're having sex with in these pictures looks nothing like your wife" angle.
 
2014-01-15 12:56:15 PM
Ah, the entirely predictable bucket of lukewarm spit guaranteed to amount to very little. Not that the president's commission was exactly bold in its suggested reforms in the first place, but the president has now officially made it the radical, civil liberties position, while he's the proverbial grown-up in the room brokering a "deal" between the constitution and the surveillance state. Then it will be the congressional crazies' turn to water it down even more. Link
 
2014-01-15 01:02:24 PM
End of spying, eh?

So they're moving on to the next synonym?
 
2014-01-15 01:10:28 PM
He's punting to Congress and the telecoms.  These aren't even breadcrumbs.
 
2014-01-15 01:11:26 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And when that fails there's always the "hey this girl you're having sex with in these pictures looks nothing like your wife" angle.


Yup. The NSA knows exactly what you did to get your brother in law our of a DUI, they know about your freaky sex habits, they know everything.

We all have secrets, but I suspect that any high level politician has much, much dirtier ones than I have.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:32 PM
And now, in a few days, expect the spin machine to begin again. "OBAMA WANTS TO OPEN COUNTRY UP TO TERRORIST ATTACKS AND CHINESE RUSSIAN INVASIONS BY CRIPPLING NSA! THAT AND MORE AFTER OUR SPONSORS MESSAGES!"

madmikesamerica.com
 
2014-01-15 01:42:05 PM
Until the next big terrorist attack. Then the people will complain government isn't protecting us enough.

\Fox news will scream it the loudest.
 
2014-01-15 01:42:15 PM
Even if it was made 100% illegal in all case, will it stop?
 
2014-01-15 01:42:28 PM
I need an angle sympathetic to my political beliefs so I can avoid thinking about how farked up this NSA spying is.
 
2014-01-15 01:43:15 PM
I'm glad we finally put a Democrat in charge, so we could start openly critiquing the office of the President and expect some reasonable changes again.  It's hard living under a Republican administration, when they absorb every power they can through any means legal or otherwise, and you are branded a "terrorist sympathizer" if you speak out against it.
 
2014-01-15 01:43:37 PM

Cletus C.: I need an angle sympathetic to my political beliefs so I can avoid thinking about how farked up this NSA spying is.


Yes, and the fact that there is no way under the sun to stop it no matter who gets elected
 
2014-01-15 01:43:52 PM

FlashHarry: or "rein in."


This.  Oh so very this.
 
2014-01-15 01:44:53 PM

NeverDrunk23: Even if it was made 100% illegal in all case, will it stop?


baby steps like not funding this would be an improvement

static4.businessinsider.com

Change the law but also defund the capacity and capability.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:20 PM
 Let us not forget that a mere 40 years ago we had a president of the United States who completely disregarded the law in an effort to destroy his political opponents. In my view, the information collected by the NSA has the potential to give an unscrupulous administration enormous power over elected officials," Sanders said.
 
2014-01-15 01:45:31 PM
Is this the thread (one of many) where Potato-Americans come in and claim that liberals are being unfairly sympathetic to Obama despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
 
2014-01-15 01:47:23 PM

Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton. Then it got expanded with both incarnations of the Patriot Act, the second of which Obama voted on. When it comes to this stuff, yes, both sides have been fairly bad about respecting the rights of citizens in the name of security.


THIS.

Oh my God!  He's going to change the way they collect phone records!  Our long national nightmare is over!

Submittard....
 
2014-01-15 01:47:46 PM

Nabb1: NSA domestic spying originally started back in the mid-1990's under Clinton.


The hell? Not familiar with the Church Committee, I take it?
 
2014-01-15 01:47:55 PM
Rein! Rein! Not "reign," you illiterate bastard! Rein!
 
2014-01-15 01:48:30 PM
Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.
 
2014-01-15 01:49:11 PM
Anyone else read "resign" instead of "reign in"?

Expected to see Sarah Putin becomes mayor of Toronto as a result.  Yes she does know what a Loonie is. Her health care provider is the Yukon government.
 
2014-01-15 01:52:13 PM

winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.


facepalm.jpg
 
2014-01-15 01:53:39 PM

winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.


Well, they tried moving Gitmo detainees to the U.S. to stand trial, and the birthbaggers started pissing their pants, claiming Supermax prisons weren't strong enough to detain those unholy killing machines.
 
2014-01-15 01:53:55 PM
Please not that record collection will still continue, that you have no privacy.
 
2014-01-15 01:54:34 PM

winterbraid: This farker isn't holding his breath.


Try doing it with your head in the toilet.
 
2014-01-15 01:56:39 PM
This is the one problem I have with this administration: they're lousy when it comes to privacy rights.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:03 PM
Too bad Snowden just didn't stay in the country to face the torture... er music.. they wouldn't have to even be talking about this now.
 
2014-01-15 02:07:50 PM
Started by who(m)???

gifs.gifmania.co.il
 
2014-01-15 02:16:38 PM

NeverDrunk23: Even if it was made 100% illegal in all case, will it stop?


Only if we nuke every NSA facility.
 
2014-01-15 02:18:29 PM

Headso: Too bad Snowden just didn't stay in the country to face the torture... er music.. they wouldn't have to even be talking about this now.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-15 02:19:03 PM
That tears it, I'm never voting for Obama again.
 
2014-01-15 02:19:55 PM

winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.


Same. I'm expecting a flaccid speech that doesn't acknowledge the scope of the Snowden leaks and sincere promises treat our "metadata" with more respect in their cutesy secret courts.

/he could have closed gitmo via executive order you politically convenient tools
 
2014-01-15 02:24:03 PM

SpacePirate: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

Same. I'm expecting a flaccid speech that doesn't acknowledge the scope of the Snowden leaks and sincere promises treat our "metadata" with more respect in their cutesy secret courts.

/he could have closed gitmo via executive order you politically convenient tools


And done what with the inmates? Pop them on a raft and push them away from the dock with an "off you go, then"? How about when Congress refuses to provide any funding for rafts?
 
2014-01-15 02:25:42 PM
Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.
 
2014-01-15 02:26:50 PM
Obama expected to reign in domestic spying info leakers.

FTFY
 
2014-01-15 02:27:42 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.


Irregardless, you know what they meant.
 
2014-01-15 02:29:10 PM

BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.

Irregardless, you know what they meant.


Supposubly.

:)
 
2014-01-15 02:33:27 PM

qorkfiend: SpacePirate: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

Same. I'm expecting a flaccid speech that doesn't acknowledge the scope of the Snowden leaks and sincere promises treat our "metadata" with more respect in their cutesy secret courts.

/he could have closed gitmo via executive order you politically convenient tools

And done what with the inmates? Pop them on a raft and push them away from the dock with an "off you go, then"? How about when Congress refuses to provide any funding for rafts?


a bunch of people who were turned in by their neighbors for reward money will be sent back to Afghanistan?
 
2014-01-15 02:34:12 PM

winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.


How, exactly, would you like him to do that? Please be specific.
 
2014-01-15 02:35:50 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.

Irregardless, you know what they meant.

Supposubly.

:)


You guys should of studied more.
 
2014-01-15 02:40:42 PM

Headso: qorkfiend: SpacePirate: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

Same. I'm expecting a flaccid speech that doesn't acknowledge the scope of the Snowden leaks and sincere promises treat our "metadata" with more respect in their cutesy secret courts.

/he could have closed gitmo via executive order you politically convenient tools

And done what with the inmates? Pop them on a raft and push them away from the dock with an "off you go, then"? How about when Congress refuses to provide any funding for rafts?

a bunch of people who were turned in by their neighbors for reward money will be sent back to Afghanistan?


By whom? No money appropriated for transportation, no guarantee that they won't be arrested or tortured when they get back to Afghanistan (which means that repatriating them would be in violation of US law), no other country that will agree to that precondition is willing to take them, explicitly barred from transferring them to US soil and trying them in civilian courts...
 
2014-01-15 02:41:22 PM

BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Can we please stop using "reign" for "rein"?  The two do not mean the same.  It's been occurring far too often here lately.

Thank you.

Irregardless, you know what they meant.


Oh you are the worst kind of person. Its still not as bad as "arguably" or "concerning"
 
2014-01-15 02:45:20 PM

qorkfiend: Headso: qorkfiend: SpacePirate: winterbraid: Obama was also expected to close gitmo. This farker isn't holding his breath.

Same. I'm expecting a flaccid speech that doesn't acknowledge the scope of the Snowden leaks and sincere promises treat our "metadata" with more respect in their cutesy secret courts.

/he could have closed gitmo via executive order you politically convenient tools

And done what with the inmates? Pop them on a raft and push them away from the dock with an "off you go, then"? How about when Congress refuses to provide any funding for rafts?

a bunch of people who were turned in by their neighbors for reward money will be sent back to Afghanistan?

By whom? No money appropriated for transportation, no guarantee that they won't be arrested or tortured when they get back to Afghanistan (which means that repatriating them would be in violation of US law), no other country that will agree to that precondition is willing to take them, explicitly barred from transferring them to US soil and trying them in civilian courts...


The military doesn't need money appropriated to move people from one military base to the other and come on violating US law? like holding people without trial for years on end or torturing them? Since when are they concerned about that when it comes to these detainees.
 
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