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(Fox Sports)   Now that he no longer is fighting, GSP says UFC doesn't actually want steroids out of the UFC   (msn.foxsports.com) divider line 43
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2014-01-15 12:50:23 PM
UFC seems like a sport where PEDs should be allowed.
 
2014-01-15 12:50:32 PM
Torn between "You don't say", "It's still real to me", and "I'm shocked!"
 
2014-01-15 12:58:14 PM

FrancoFile: Torn between "You don't say", "It's still real to me", and "I'm shocked!"


"Cowabunga" says it all.
 
2014-01-15 01:02:31 PM
Sweaty dick punching.
 
2014-01-15 01:04:32 PM
On one hand it does seem a little overboard on GSPs part to ask for even more testing.  On the other hand Lance Armstrong was the most tested athlete on the planet.
 
2014-01-15 01:04:41 PM
"Ironic", subby?  How is it ironic that a fighter who has been complaining about PED testing before he quit is complaining about PED testing after he quit?  Unless, of course, you have some evidence that GSP was juicing.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:59 PM
Good, glad he's speaking up (which he's been doing) and finally (kinda/sorta) pointing fingers. Any step in the direction of getting rid of TRT is a good thing.
 
2014-01-15 01:19:35 PM

the biggest redneck here: Good, glad he's speaking up (which he's been doing) and finally (kinda/sorta) pointing fingers. Any step in the direction of getting rid of TRT is a good thing.


As Chael Sonnen said, everyone is looking at TRT and not concentrating on the real problem of HGH and other performance enhancers.
 
2014-01-15 01:23:37 PM

grinding_journalist: UFC seems like a sport where PEDs should be allowed.


you probably have never watched a single match up. If you were educated to the sport you would realize its not idiots bar fighting. They are by far the  most top level conditioned athletes in the word.

I agree with GSP and its great to see the UFC posterboy step down and give his reasons why. Dana said GSP was making a big deal over nothing.

A man entering a cage against another man who may/may not be on PED's is a big farking deal
 
2014-01-15 01:24:29 PM
I don't understand why there's a problem with PEDs. They make you better at your job. It's right there in the name...performance enhancing drug. They enhance your performance...isn't that a GOOD thing? Isn't that pretty-much what coffee does for your run-of-the-mill office-working Average Joe? Why should I care if it shrinks their 'nads?
 
2014-01-15 01:39:34 PM

carnifex2005: the biggest redneck here: Good, glad he's speaking up (which he's been doing) and finally (kinda/sorta) pointing fingers. Any step in the direction of getting rid of TRT is a good thing.

As Chael Sonnen said, everyone is looking at TRT and not concentrating on the real problem of HGH and other performance enhancers.


Chael Sonnen should know as he's somewhat of a PED expert.
 
2014-01-15 01:42:56 PM

mentallo69: you probably have never watched a single match up.


Sat ringside for a fight night at a casino. It was totally awesome. was skeptical going in, and now if a fight is on while I'm surfing, I'll stay put.

mentallo69: If you were educated to the sport you would realize its not idiots bar fighting.


I'm not sure "educated to" is the right construction here. "About" would have sufficed. Beyond that, it depends what your definition or qualifications about education are. Am I aware that there's more to it than 20 minutes of sweaty dick punching? Yes. Could I describe the rules and competition differences between UFC and Bellator? No.

mentallo69: They are by far the most top level conditioned athletes in the word.


Not really sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that they're the "fittest" people in the world? That they're the most "athletic" people in the world? Or are you trying to make a blanket statement asserting that they're rougher, tougher, and better than any athlete playing in any pro sport anywhere in the world? It seems like you're asserting all three while all three of those statements are provably false, primarily because your assessment criteria are entirely subjective.

My point was, it would enhance the product. Faster, bigger fighters, with the ability to recover from injury incurred fighting rapidly. I feel the majority of PED issues in pro sports don't stem from a "fairness" perspective as much as the bigger and faster that players get, the more likely a season or career ending injury is to occur. If the POINT of the sport is to pummel your opponent into submission either with blows or holds, why would having bigger, stronger fighters be a bad thing?
 
2014-01-15 01:46:02 PM
Nice to see the PED contrarians have shown up.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:41 PM

carnifex2005: the biggest redneck here: Good, glad he's speaking up (which he's been doing) and finally (kinda/sorta) pointing fingers. Any step in the direction of getting rid of TRT is a good thing.

As Chael Sonnen said, everyone is looking at TRT and not concentrating on the real problem of HGH and other performance enhancers.


Crazy thing is, I'm pretty sure you're being serious.
 
2014-01-15 02:03:37 PM

grinding_journalist: mentallo69: you probably have never watched a single match up.

Sat ringside for a fight night at a casino. It was totally awesome. was skeptical going in, and now if a fight is on while I'm surfing, I'll stay put.


Good for you. I retract my statement made here then. The opinion on fark about MMA is the "20 minutes of sweaty dick punching, testosterone freaks" My point is this sport is full of people that are more than just mere knuckleheads punching each other.....this does not apply to you obviously.

mentallo69: If you were educated to the sport you would realize its not idiots bar fighting.

I'm not sure "educated to" is the right construction here. "About" would have sufficed. Beyond that, it depends what your definition or qualifications about education are. Am I aware that there's more to it than 20 minutes of sweaty dick punching? Yes. Could I describe the rules and competition differences between UFC and Bellator? No.


Educated to the sport means that you cant just look at it like its a gladiator event. Some people on Fark do not see the beauty in a fight that turns into a jiujitsu match. For example, if they aren't standing there slugging the snot out of each other then its a boring fight or that's what all fights are like.  Knowing there are rules and strategies involved in each fight as each fighter brings in multiple disciplines of martial arts and thus a strategy is important when say a strong wrestler better have a game plan for a kickboxer.

mentallo69: They are by far the most top level conditioned athletes in the word.

Not really sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that they're the "fittest" people in the world? That they're the most "athletic" people in the world? Or are you trying to make a blanket statement asserting that they're rougher, tougher, and better than any athlete playing in any pro sport anywhere in the world? It seems like you're asserting all three while all three of those statements are provably false, primarily because your assessment criteria are entirely subjective.

My point was, it would enhance the product. Faster, bigger fighters, with the ability to recover from injury incurred fighting rapidly. I feel the majority of PED issues in pro sports don't stem from a "fairness" perspective as much as the bigger and faster that players get, the more likely a season or career ending injury is to occur. If the POINT of the sport is to pummel your opponent into submission either with blows or holds, why would having bigger, stronger fighters be a bad thing?


My point about them being some of the most conditioned athletes in the world. Fighting for 15/25 minutes with 3/5  five minute rounds is cardiovascular exhausting.  So cardio, weight training is just as important as sparring or practicing a discipline of martial arts. The majority of these guys can hang with some of the highest level athletes in the world.

I bolded my response to your points, but as far as PED's are concerned the UFC, MLB, NBA, and the NFL hell all sports organizations like to run a clean league. When you have some guys cheating and others not, it doesn't level the playing fields. Besides, would you want to step into a cage and fight a guy who is a known steroid/PED user. No, it wouldn't be fair.


Those were basically my points. I wasn't trying to offend you at all. Just that most Farkers comment on this sport with no logic or experience with the rules, regulations or knowledge of what they are discussing.
 
2014-01-15 02:13:20 PM

Son of Thunder: "Ironic", subby?  How is it ironic that a fighter who has been complaining about PED testing before he quit is complaining about PED testing after he quit?  Unless, of course, you have some evidence that GSP was juicing.


You really think GSP is clean? Oh wow...

He offered to do VADA testing (who sponsors GSP) with Johnny Hendricks and even offered to pay for the test. Hendricks figured it was a conflict of interest since they sponsor GSP, so he offered to do WADA (who actually has stricter testing) as a compromise. GSP was willing but only if they told him what they were testing for.

So in other words, GSP is for drug testing only if they say what they are testing for. Which means he was fine with VADA's testing because he knew what they were testing for so he could use other stuff, i.e. HGH.

The odds are good that your favorite UFC fighter is doping, whether it be roids, EPO, TRT or HGH.
 
2014-01-15 02:16:14 PM

mentallo69: Just that most Farkers comment on this sport with no logic or experience with the rules, regulations or knowledge of what they are discussing.


It's almost like...you're a passionate UFC fan.
So you're really getting a kick out of these replies, and that some of you are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.
But trust you.... we don't.
You think we just want to make ourselves sound smart, when in reality we dont know what we are talking about.
This is how bad info gets passed around.
So if we dont know about the topic....we shouldn't try to make ourselves sound like we do.
Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.
 
2014-01-15 02:20:02 PM
Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.
 
2014-01-15 02:29:57 PM

van1ty: Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.


Steroids help a lot. Ask Alistair Overeem
 
2014-01-15 03:03:08 PM

van1ty: Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.




FTFY

The whole idea that PED's are evil is silly anyway. As mentioned upthread, caffiene could be considered a PED. I'm farily certain Cortisone, (a corticosteroid used to enhance performance) shots are still used in all major sports. It's moralizing IMO and attempting to legislate an "even" playing field only causes stupid issues like this one.
 
2014-01-15 03:06:07 PM

grinding_journalist: mentallo69: Just that most Farkers comment on this sport with no logic or experience with the rules, regulations or knowledge of what they are discussing.

It's almost like...you're a passionate UFC fan.
So you're really getting a kick out of these replies, and that some of you are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.
But trust you.... we don't.
You think we just want to make ourselves sound smart, when in reality we dont know what we are talking about.
This is how bad info gets passed around.
So if we dont know about the topic....we shouldn't try to make ourselves sound like we do.
Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.


You are the dick head who made the bullshiat statement. So clearly you don't know what you are talking about.


Oh and......thanks for the usage of my all time favorite meme. I love a good roast.

dickhead!
 
2014-01-15 03:10:58 PM

dusty15893: van1ty: Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.

FTFY

The whole idea that PED's are evil is silly anyway. As mentioned upthread, caffiene could be considered a PED. I'm farily certain Cortisone, (a corticosteroid used to enhance performance) shots are still used in all major sports. It's moralizing IMO and attempting to legislate an "even" playing field only causes stupid issues like this one.


Well that's not where the moralizing *should* be.  The audience should want PED-free contests so that it's a little further removed from gladiatorial games.  Nobody should be in the situation of risking death or permanent disability, or shortening his life span, merely to amuse us for a few hours of our spare time.
 
2014-01-15 03:18:31 PM

mentallo69: They are by far the  most top level conditioned athletes in the word.


Ummm...no.  They are BY FAR not the most conditioned athletes in the world.

Try:

Triathletes.
Football players
Soccer players
Basketball players
Boxers

BEFORE you get to UFC fighters.  Not even close.
 
2014-01-15 03:19:58 PM

machoprogrammer: Son of Thunder: "Ironic", subby?  How is it ironic that a fighter who has been complaining about PED testing before he quit is complaining about PED testing after he quit?  Unless, of course, you have some evidence that GSP was juicing.

You really think GSP is clean? Oh wow...

He offered to do VADA testing (who sponsors GSP) with Johnny Hendricks and even offered to pay for the test. Hendricks figured it was a conflict of interest since they sponsor GSP, so he offered to do WADA (who actually has stricter testing) as a compromise. GSP was willing but only if they told him what they were testing for.


"VADA follows the guidelines of WADA. So when he said he wanted to be tested by WADA, there is no such thing"

"WADA doesn't do any testing."
 
2014-01-15 03:21:49 PM

grinding_journalist: It's almost like...you're a passionate UFC fan.
So you're really getting a kick out of these replies, and that some of you are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.
But trust you.... we don't.
You think we just want to make ourselves sound smart, when in reality we dont know what we are talking about.
This is how bad info gets passed around.
So if we dont know about the topic....we shouldn't try to make ourselves sound like we do.
Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.


a blast from the past!  I love it.  One of my favorite all-time posts.

Ohh and add cyclists to the list ahead of UFC.  Even though most of the Tour de France guys are probably on some PED or blood doping or what have you...but still have amazing conditioning.
 
2014-01-15 03:25:00 PM

Mi-5: mentallo69: They are by far the  most top level conditioned athletes in the word.

Ummm...no.  They are BY FAR not the most conditioned athletes in the world.

Try:

Triathletes.
Football players
Soccer players
Basketball players
Boxers

BEFORE you get to UFC fighters.  Not even close.


I'll just go ahead and disagree with you there. I'll give you soccer players and triathletes for sure. But some UFC fighters are Boxers or have a boxing background. Football players and Basketball players are not as in good of shape as a well conditioned professional mixed martial artist.
 
2014-01-15 03:25:34 PM

Son of Thunder: machoprogrammer: Son of Thunder: "Ironic", subby?  How is it ironic that a fighter who has been complaining about PED testing before he quit is complaining about PED testing after he quit?  Unless, of course, you have some evidence that GSP was juicing.

You really think GSP is clean? Oh wow...

He offered to do VADA testing (who sponsors GSP) with Johnny Hendricks and even offered to pay for the test. Hendricks figured it was a conflict of interest since they sponsor GSP, so he offered to do WADA (who actually has stricter testing) as a compromise. GSP was willing but only if they told him what they were testing for.

"VADA follows the guidelines of WADA. So when he said he wanted to be tested by WADA, there is no such thing"

"WADA doesn't do any testing."


They probably are both juicing. GSP refused Hendrick's offer (too lazy to look up the link) because they wouldn't say what they are testing for. That alone is pretty suspicious. That, and if a guy can beat juiced up guys, he probably is juicing. Extra testosterone is a huge advantage when training, just for recovery purposes alone. That and drug tests are really easy to beat.
 
2014-01-15 03:29:09 PM

carnifex2005: the biggest redneck here: Good, glad he's speaking up (which he's been doing) and finally (kinda/sorta) pointing fingers. Any step in the direction of getting rid of TRT is a good thing.

As Chael Sonnen said, everyone is looking at TRT and not concentrating on the real problem of HGH and other performance enhancers.


Well, if a guy is on TRT there's a pretty damn good chance he was on the other performance enhancers previously, because guys who are the age that these fighters are shouldn't need TRT.  If they had one of the causes of low T that wasn't their own damn fault (in addition to steroid use being a cause, it can also be brought on by long-term opioid use), they never would have made it to the UFC in the first place.  The UFC ought to be banning it.
 
2014-01-15 03:39:21 PM

mentallo69: When you have some guys cheating and others not, it doesn't level the playing fields. Besides, would you want to step into a cage and fight a guy who is a known steroid/PED user. No, it wouldn't be fair.


I think that's his point, though - what if it  wasn't cheating, but standard, and every guy was on it, such that the playing field was level, albeit enhanced? In other words, would you have the same problem stepping into a cage to fight a guy who is a known steroid/PED user if you're  also a steroid/PED user?
 
2014-01-15 04:12:04 PM

Mi-5: mentallo69: They are by far the  most top level conditioned athletes in the word.

Ummm...no.  They are BY FAR not the most conditioned athletes in the world.

Try:

Triathletes.
Football players
Soccer players
Basketball players
Boxers

BEFORE you get to UFC fighters.  Not even close.


Are you honestly suggesting Yoel Romero, an Olympic silver medalist in wrestling (who is fighting tonight), is not an elite athlete?  You sir, are a moran.
 
2014-01-15 04:26:09 PM

van1ty: Are you honestly suggesting Yoel Romero, an Olympic silver medalist in wrestling (who is fighting tonight), is not an elite athlete?  You sir, are a moran.


I think you should go back to school and learn to read.  Where did I say, ANYWHERE that UFC fighters are NOT elite athletes?  I just said they weren't the most conditioned as you said.

So please find where I said they were not elite athletes.  I won't wait because your dumb ass won't find it.  But, I get it.  You are a UFC fan and no one can claim they aren't the best, else they insult the "vaunted" UFC.
 
2014-01-15 04:31:09 PM

Mi-5: mentallo69: They are by far the  most top level conditioned athletes in the word.

Ummm...no.  They are BY FAR not the most conditioned athletes in the world.

Try:

Triathletes.
Football players
Soccer players
Basketball players
Boxers

BEFORE you get to UFC fighters.  Not even close.


I'm not a huge MMA guy, but football players and basketball players are not as well-conditioned as boxers, wrestlers, or MMA fighters.  I played college basketball, was considered the most conditioned guy on the team (which I wish had a greater impact on my ability and/or playing time), and I was probably in worse shape than the least-fit wrestler at the school.

At the pro level, it's even more so.  An NBA game takes two-and-a-half hours depending on the level of media coverage.  The actual game is only 48 minutes, meaning they are resting the remainder of the time.  Football is even more so.
 
2014-01-15 04:32:24 PM
To clarify - are basketball players better all around athletes?  Yes, because the sport attracts, and therefore demands, better athletes.  But not better conditioned.
 
2014-01-15 05:00:48 PM

machoprogrammer: GSP refused Hendrick's offer (too lazy to look up the link) because they wouldn't say what they are testing for. That alone is pretty suspicious


Once you understand the context, it makes more sense.  GSP wanted to know what Hendricks' proposed testing would cover because GSP wanted to make sure it covered the same thing as VADA - that is, that Hendricks would be tested for the same things that GSP was getting tested for.  It wasn't about "oh, better make sure they aren't testing for this thing I'm on".

In my opinion, Hendricks came out looking worse.  He accused GSP of using steroids, so GSP offers to pay for an independent lab to test them both and GSP goes through with it, but all of a sudden Hendricks is nowhere to be found.
 
2014-01-15 05:02:17 PM
Anyway, I don't think the issue is that the UFC doesn't want steroids out of the sport - I suspect they're worried about how many of their guys are using.  Several pro fighters have talked about how many fighters use steroids.  Nobody has named names, but the casual, speculative answer is always a huge number.  It would be a big black eye on the sport if a huge portion of their guys started testing hot under additional, stronger testing.
 
2014-01-15 06:37:03 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: Anyway, I don't think the issue is that the UFC doesn't want steroids out of the sport - I suspect they're worried about how many of their guys are using.  Several pro fighters have talked about how many fighters use steroids.  Nobody has named names, but the casual, speculative answer is always a huge number.  It would be a big black eye on the sport if a huge portion of their guys started testing hot under additional, stronger testing.


We disagree on the other part, but this I agree with this 100%
 
2014-01-15 07:41:32 PM
1. UFC fighters are in great shape, but it's apples to oranges comparing it to pretty much any other sport. Basketball requires a lot of sprinting, jumping and changes of direction; football requires either explosive displays of power or sprinting depending on position; triathlon requires a sustainable pace; MMA is a combination of wrestling, BJJ, muay thai and other martial arts. Some guys are more explosive (Jose Aldo, Renan Barao) and others are better at maintaining a consistent pace. The strategy you use is going to depend on your strengths/weaknesses and those of your opponents.

2. PED's help. They help you recover; they help you train harder without getting injured; and they help you become physically stronger so whatever technical expertise you have is that much more effective. The example I used arguing with my brother about Barry Bonds: when he said "steroids doesn't help you hit a baseball," I said "ok, but what if you can already hit a baseball to the warning track? Steroids is going to help the ball go over the fence."

3.  The sport is dangerous enough as it is. Giving a guy who is trying to kick another guy in the head super-human strength is irresponsible and dangerous.

4. Steroid abuse isn't the only cause of low testosterone. From what I understand, it's also a symptom of concussions/brain trauma.

/flame on
 
2014-01-15 08:15:54 PM

van1ty: Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.


There's a fairly common look to the bodies of heavy steroid users. Think Mark McGwire, from when baseball had no controls on PED usage at all. You see it frequently in pro wrestling, pro football, bodybuilding, of course, and yes, UFC.
 
2014-01-15 08:23:22 PM

dusty15893: van1ty: Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.

FTFY

The whole idea that PED's are evil is silly anyway. As mentioned upthread, caffiene could be considered a PED. I'm farily certain Cortisone, (a corticosteroid used to enhance performance) shots are still used in all major sports. It's moralizing IMO and attempting to legislate an "even" playing field only causes stupid issues like this one.


Corticosteroids are not anabolic steroids. Corticosteroids have an anti-inflammatory action, and can be used to mask injury, but if you couldn't run 4.4/ 40 before you got injured, and then you got a cortisone shot in your knee, hip, what have you, you will not be running 4.4 afterward, either. An anabolic steroid user could see exactly that result, though.
 
2014-01-15 08:28:32 PM

forgotmydamnusername: van1ty: Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.

There's a fairly common look to the bodies of heavy steroid users. Think Mark McGwire, from when baseball had no controls on PED usage at all. You see it frequently in pro wrestling, pro football, bodybuilding, of course, and yes, UFC.


There are people using steroids that you would never expect. Not all steroids are created equal. Anavar, for example, is typically used by MMA fighters (and other weightclassed sports) because you don't gain much muscle mass, but you can drop body fat while gaining muscle (impossible without PEDs unless you have a lot of body fat or are just starting working out) and you don't gain much water weight. It is also frequently used by females (and female MMA fighters).
 
2014-01-15 08:37:37 PM

machoprogrammer: forgotmydamnusername: van1ty: Steroids are a problem in all sports, although I think it's less of a problem in MMA -- for the simple fact that steroids don't really give you much of an edge.

Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to outwrestle Ben Askren.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't going to be able to outstrike Jose Aldo.  Take all the steroids you want, you aren't submitting Jacare.

There's a fairly common look to the bodies of heavy steroid users. Think Mark McGwire, from when baseball had no controls on PED usage at all. You see it frequently in pro wrestling, pro football, bodybuilding, of course, and yes, UFC.

There are people using steroids that you would never expect. Not all steroids are created equal. Anavar, for example, is typically used by MMA fighters (and other weightclassed sports) because you don't gain much muscle mass, but you can drop body fat while gaining muscle (impossible without PEDs unless you have a lot of body fat or are just starting working out) and you don't gain much water weight. It is also frequently used by females (and female MMA fighters).


I'm merely comparing the look of MMA fighters to boxers. There have been boxers caught, and professional boxing's testing is not what it should be. They still don't usually look like the majority of MMA guys. I agree that there are limits to what can be done with drug free-training, and too many people in MMA obviously exceed them.
 
2014-01-16 09:38:06 AM
Just ask Gina Carano if non-doping fighters (especially female ones) want to compete against 'roided up opponents.
 
2014-01-16 10:31:39 AM

NorCalLos: 4. Steroid abuse isn't the only cause of low testosterone. From what I understand, it's also a symptom of concussions/brain trauma


Unlikely.  It would have to be really really bad trauma to damage the pituitary or hypothalamus.  The kind of contact these guys get in fighting shouldn't do that.
 
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