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(AlterNet)   Religion is leading us to an unprecedented period of non-violence and peace. Wait, did I say religion? I meant secularism   (alternet.org) divider line 180
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2014-01-15 12:58:17 PM
Yeah, like you about to trick anyone, subby.
 
2014-01-15 01:05:41 PM
alright, I think I'm ready:

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2014-01-15 01:11:05 PM
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Here we go.
 
2014-01-15 01:13:48 PM

timujin: alright, I think I'm ready:

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That's not enough.

www.nebraskapopcorn.com
 
2014-01-15 01:16:34 PM
Religion is an Atheism.
 
2014-01-15 01:19:38 PM

RedPhoenix122: timujin: alright, I think I'm ready:

[reelpopcornaustin.com image 480x360]

That's not enough.

[www.nebraskapopcorn.com image 600x450]


That's not enough

maritime-connector.com
 
2014-01-15 01:20:57 PM

hardinparamedic: Religion is an Atheism.


Theism is tin foil wrapped around the antennae of knowledge.
 
2014-01-15 01:21:44 PM
Almost all religions are based on an "us versus everyone else" mentality, so it's no surprise that religious people are so barbaric, ignorant, and prone to violence.
 
2014-01-15 01:32:53 PM
Reason versus fantasy based decision making?  Nothing good can come of that.
 
2014-01-15 01:38:48 PM

mrshowrules: Reason versus fantasy based decision making?  Nothing good can come of that.


To be fair, there's quite a few parties that have made the reasonable decision to start and/or prolong conflicts because they're a very good source of ongoing, poorly-monitored contracts.
 
2014-01-15 01:49:06 PM

Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reason versus fantasy based decision making?  Nothing good can come of that.

To be fair, there's quite a few parties that have made the reasonable decision to start and/or prolong conflicts because they're a very good source of ongoing, poorly-monitored contracts.


Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5.  Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.
 
2014-01-15 01:51:25 PM
Maybe.  I'm more inclined to believe that there's more prosperity than there was previously.  I believe a person who's economically well-off is less likely to be persuaded to violence against other religions.  No proof, so don't ask for citation.  I believe it with all of my little heart, heart, heart.  And if you don't like it you can sit on a tack.  Sit on a tack.  Sit on a tack.
 
2014-01-15 01:53:53 PM

mrshowrules: Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5. Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.


That completely ignores wars fought over resources, which you can expect to become more common as population grows and arable land & water supplies shrink.
 
2014-01-15 01:55:19 PM
Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn
 
2014-01-15 01:55:55 PM
Thank God!
 
2014-01-15 01:56:12 PM

Cagey B: To be fair, there's quite a few parties that have made the reasonable decision to start and/or prolong conflicts because they're a very good source of ongoing, poorly-monitored contracts.



But they still have to provide a fantasy reason to the ground troops fighting it.

"A man does not have himself killed for a half-pence a day or for a petty distinction. You must speak to the soul in order to electrify him." - Napoleon Bonaparte
 
2014-01-15 01:57:29 PM

Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5. Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.

That completely ignores wars fought over resources, which you can expect to become more common as population grows and arable land & water supplies shrink.


Wars based on reason and wars based on or supported by religion.  If you can eliminate the latter at least you have a good start.  Expand reasoning further and you might even eliminate war altogether.
 
2014-01-15 01:57:54 PM

mrshowrules: Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reason versus fantasy based decision making?  Nothing good can come of that.

To be fair, there's quite a few parties that have made the reasonable decision to start and/or prolong conflicts because they're a very good source of ongoing, poorly-monitored contracts.

Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5.  Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.


how does religion remove all of it? I think you're mistaken in the assumption that everyone, collectively, thinks in the linear fashion that you posted.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:36 PM

Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn


Caramel Corn is overrated.
 
2014-01-15 01:59:14 PM

mrshowrules: Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5. Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.

That completely ignores wars fought over resources, which you can expect to become more common as population grows and arable land & water supplies shrink.

Wars based on reason and wars based on or supported by religion.  If you can eliminate the latter at least you have a good start.  Expand reasoning further and you might even eliminate war altogether.


Such crap.  Religion is usually just an excuse used to rally the troops.  People will always find reasons for war.  Eliminate religion, another excuse will emerge.
 
2014-01-15 01:59:39 PM

RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.


I agree. I like popcorn with the orange "cheese" dust on it.
 
2014-01-15 01:59:49 PM

RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.



Add peanuts.
 
2014-01-15 02:00:11 PM
The author must of had a hell of a time typing that piece while fondling Sam Harris's balls.
 
2014-01-15 02:00:46 PM

Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.

I agree. I like popcorn with the orange "cheese" dust on it.


White cheese dust leave less evidence.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:03 PM

Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn


I personally hate the extra butter provided by movie theaters. I mean is like the viscous yellow goop that they just unceremoniously slop over the top making every piece it touches soggy and greasy.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:05 PM
hey, if you're not being oppressed by someone, may as well make shiat up & oppress yourself.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:11 PM

Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.

I agree. I like popcorn with the orange "cheese" dust on it.


I prefer straight buttery.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:13 PM

Galloping Galoshes: mrshowrules: Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5. Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.

That completely ignores wars fought over resources, which you can expect to become more common as population grows and arable land & water supplies shrink.

Wars based on reason and wars based on or supported by religion.  If you can eliminate the latter at least you have a good start.  Expand reasoning further and you might even eliminate war altogether.

Such crap.  Religion is usually just an excuse used to rally the troops.  People will always find reasons for war.  Eliminate religion, another excuse will emerge.


this I believe is correct. In fact, nationalism has usurped religion as the go-to means to drum up support for war. At least in western nations.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:22 PM
Muslims.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:42 PM

RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.


Blasphemer! I declare Caramel Jihad on you!
 
2014-01-15 02:01:43 PM

Cubicle Jockey: But they still have to provide a fantasy reason to the ground troops fighting it.


I don't doubt that religion is and has been a powerful motivator for violence. But it's far from the only one.

shiat, we don't have to try that hard in this country for our "fantasy reasons". "Because freedom" seems to work for most, "because that's your job and good luck finding another one, guy from Hardscrabble, Pennsyltucky" for others, and "my God is bigger than their God" for the rest.

Of course, I kind of think that humanity doesn't really need that much of a reason to go and kill each other. We seem awfully quick to do it.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:19 PM

Frank N Stein: this I believe is correct. In fact, nationalism has usurped religion as the go-to means to drum up support for war. At least in western nations.


Correct.  Blind adherence to anything is dangerous.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:41 PM
As soon as the Christians truly and humbly apologize to the people of the Middle East for murdering them since the Crusades, there may be peace.

/The Christians could even offer their first born as sacrifice for the couple of thousand years of murder.
//No, you can't offer the 'dumb one' as a substitute for first born.
///Oh and the Middle East would really appreciate the U.S. neutralizing Israel to stop the constant threat of nuclear annihilation for not being Jewish enough.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:43 PM

Frank N Stein: Galloping Galoshes: mrshowrules: Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5. Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.

That completely ignores wars fought over resources, which you can expect to become more common as population grows and arable land & water supplies shrink.

Wars based on reason and wars based on or supported by religion.  If you can eliminate the latter at least you have a good start.  Expand reasoning further and you might even eliminate war altogether.

Such crap.  Religion is usually just an excuse used to rally the troops.  People will always find reasons for war.  Eliminate religion, another excuse will emerge.

this I believe is correct. In fact, nationalism has usurped religion as the go-to means to drum up support for war. At least in western nations.


Also in China, if they ever pick a fight with Japan / Vietnam / Philippines.
 
2014-01-15 02:03:00 PM

Arkanaut: RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.

Blasphemer! I declare Caramel Jihad on you!


*Insert "brown menace" joke here.*
 
2014-01-15 02:03:17 PM

mrshowrules: Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5. Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.

That completely ignores wars fought over resources, which you can expect to become more common as population grows and arable land & water supplies shrink.

Wars based on reason and wars based on or supported by religion.  If you can eliminate the latter at least you have a good start.  Expand reasoning further and you might even eliminate war altogether.


But if we eliminate war, what will future games in the Call of Duty and Battlefield series' be about?  Think of poor EA and Activision!
 
2014-01-15 02:03:58 PM

Teufelaffe: But if we eliminate war, what will future games in the Call of Duty and Battlefield series' be about?


What they were about before:  WW2.
 
2014-01-15 02:04:00 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.

I agree. I like popcorn with the orange "cheese" dust on it.

White cheese dust leave less evidence.


white cheese dust? You and your kind are inferior. Orange cheese dust faction has had enough. We will while you üntermensch from the face of this earth
 
2014-01-15 02:04:05 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Eliminate religion, another excuse will emerge.


Indeed. The first half of the 20th century showed that nationalism can easily be used in the same way.

One thing I might argue is that when you get down to it, there's little functional difference between religion and nationalism in this context.
 
2014-01-15 02:04:27 PM

Cagey B: Of course, I kind of think that humanity doesn't really need that much of a reason to go and kill each other. We seem awfully quick to do it.


i think it's learned.
well i should say learned as much as programmed by those that are in a position to control what you see, hear, are capable to observe.
 
2014-01-15 02:04:32 PM

Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reason versus fantasy based decision making?  Nothing good can come of that.

To be fair, there's quite a few parties that have made the reasonable decision to start and/or prolong conflicts because they're a very good source of ongoing, poorly-monitored contracts.


Nationalism is almost as big a problem as religion, and political groups around the world are more likely to take advantage of it than religious differences.
 
2014-01-15 02:04:32 PM

Frank N Stein: nationalism has usurped religion as the go-to means to drum up support for war. At least in western nations.


Both make it easier to dehumanize the "other", those outside the particular religion or nation.
 
2014-01-15 02:04:51 PM

sheep snorter: ///Oh and the Middle East would really appreciate the U.S. neutralizing Israel to stop the constant threat of nuclear annihilation for not being Jewish enough.


-2 on the troll, there, fella.  Try again.
 
2014-01-15 02:05:07 PM

Frank N Stein: Galloping Galoshes: mrshowrules: Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5. Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.

That completely ignores wars fought over resources, which you can expect to become more common as population grows and arable land & water supplies shrink.

Wars based on reason and wars based on or supported by religion.  If you can eliminate the latter at least you have a good start.  Expand reasoning further and you might even eliminate war altogether.

Such crap.  Religion is usually just an excuse used to rally the troops.  People will always find reasons for war.  Eliminate religion, another excuse will emerge.

this I believe is correct. In fact, nationalism has usurped religion as the go-to means to drum up support for war. At least in western nations.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-15 02:05:34 PM
1000 years of war in 5 minutes

Worth the 5 minutes, plus you get to hear "Ride of the Valkyries"
 
2014-01-15 02:05:59 PM

Frank N Stein: Galloping Galoshes: Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: Frank N Stein: Hey guys lets all talk about popcorn

Caramel Corn is overrated.

I agree. I like popcorn with the orange "cheese" dust on it.

White cheese dust leave less evidence.

white cheese dust? You and your kind are inferior. Orange cheese dust faction has had enough. We will while you üntermensch from the face of this earth


You will be subverted.  I can add all the white cheese dust I want to your orange cheese dusted popcorn, and YOU'LL NEVER KNOW!!!  AH HAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2014-01-15 02:06:16 PM
Well, I wouldn't blame religion, the problem is actually intolerance and idealistic extremism no matter what form it takes. Sometimes it takes the form of religion (usually for political purposes) sometimes not.

A tolerant religious person who is open to others views is going to be better and less likely towards violence then a secular intolerant person who is an extremist.
 
2014-01-15 02:06:29 PM

mrshowrules: Cagey B: mrshowrules: Reason versus fantasy based decision making?  Nothing good can come of that.

To be fair, there's quite a few parties that have made the reasonable decision to start and/or prolong conflicts because they're a very good source of ongoing, poorly-monitored contracts.

Reasoned evil but religion set the conditions for war to begin with.

1) Religion
2) Muslim/Christian adversity
3) 9/11
4) Iraq War (phoney justification)
5) war profiteering

Eliminate reason motivated by greed and you avoid 4 & 5.  Eliminate religion and you eliminate all of it.


Religion is often the excuse for war, but rarely the reason.
 
2014-01-15 02:07:01 PM

qorkfiend: Galloping Galoshes: Eliminate religion, another excuse will emerge.

Indeed. The first half of the 20th century showed that nationalism can easily be used in the same way.

One thing I might argue is that when you get down to it, there's little functional difference between religion and nationalism in this context.


It's all about power, who gets to tell whom what to do, and where the money flows.  Somebody wants to be boss.
 
2014-01-15 02:07:40 PM
Can't help but notice the "religious" violence is mostly Abrahamic violence. The one exception they mention is Sri Lanka, which is as much ethnic as religious.
 
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