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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   ( thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2014-01-15 10:09:27 AM  
this murdering pig needs to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. stand your ground, my ass.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 10:12:55 AM  
It will probably work.
 
2014-01-15 10:16:38 AM  
This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.
 
2014-01-15 10:17:57 AM  
It's entirely likely--with enough velocity--he could have put an eye out with that popcorn.  STAND YOUR GROUND.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 10:18:56 AM  
Dimensio

As a retired cop, the shooter probably had the protection of a new federal law that prohibits states from taking guns away from ex-cops.  (Wikipedia article, which I have not fact checked.)
 
2014-01-15 10:18:58 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


The movie theater had a "no guns" policy, so I'm not sure what this has to do with people who carry legally.
 
2014-01-15 10:19:14 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


The shooter is a retired police captain.
 
2014-01-15 10:20:39 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


I'd buy you a frosty beverage for that effort.
 
2014-01-15 10:20:52 AM  

Nabb1: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The shooter is a retired police captain.


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2014-01-15 10:20:52 AM  

Nabb1: The shooter is a retired police captain.


i wonder what they'll do to him in prison.
 
2014-01-15 10:21:15 AM  

Dimensio: Nabb1: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The shooter is a retired police captain.

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I need coffee. Goddammit.
 
2014-01-15 10:23:43 AM  
Responsible Gun OwnershipTM
 
2014-01-15 10:23:54 AM  
I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.
 
2014-01-15 10:24:04 AM  
Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?
 
2014-01-15 10:24:08 AM  
Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.
 
2014-01-15 10:26:25 AM  

FlashHarry: this murdering pig needs to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. stand your ground, my ass.


My only regret is that he's old enough that "the rest of his life" won't be that long.
 
2014-01-15 10:27:03 AM  

shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?


Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.
 
2014-01-15 10:27:29 AM  

Trivia Jockey: FlashHarry: this murdering pig needs to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison. stand your ground, my ass.

My only regret is that he's old enough that "the rest of his life" won't be that long.


I hope every day his food is thrown into his cell in a dangerous manner.
 
2014-01-15 10:28:05 AM  

North_Central_Positronics: It's entirely likely--with enough velocity--he could have put an eye out with that popcorn.  STAND YOUR GROUND KERNEL.

 
2014-01-15 10:28:24 AM  

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


you mean the victim didn't look like a black kid in a hoodie?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 10:29:14 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


The "stand your ground" needs to be repealed.  The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good.  It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

Also, I think that there ought to be a maximum age for carrying a firearm.  Too many old people get angry and frustrated when their mind starts going.  This guy managed to get through his career without snapping, so it's likely that this was some sort of age related mental deterioration.
 
2014-01-15 10:32:55 AM  
My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?
 
2014-01-15 10:33:25 AM  

vpb: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The "stand your ground" needs to be repealed.  The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good.  It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.


Self-defense statutes in Florida (and in fact in most states) require a fear of imminent great bodily harm or death to be "reasonable". A fear of injury that is not "reasonable" will not justify the use of deadly force.


Also, I think that there ought to be a maximum age for carrying a firearm. Too many old people get angry and frustrated when their mind starts going. This guy managed to get through his career without snapping, so it's likely that this was some sort of age related mental deterioration.

As a police officer, any previous outbursts of anger were likely overlooked or considered justified.
 
2014-01-15 10:34:24 AM  
bottom line: if the cop hand't had a gun on him, the victim would likely be alive today.
 
2014-01-15 10:36:22 AM  

vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.


That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"
 
2014-01-15 10:38:44 AM  
I bet this guy had a stress-induced flashback, 'Nam style. Had to get the perp.
 
2014-01-15 10:39:03 AM  
I blame John Cleese for not teaching us how to properly defend against popcorn.
 
2014-01-15 10:40:19 AM  

Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.


That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.
 
2014-01-15 10:40:52 AM  

grokca: I blame John Cleese for not teaching us how to properly defend against popcorn.


Yeah, you try that with a pineapple down your windpipe.
 
2014-01-15 10:41:53 AM  

Trivia Jockey: The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.


General Reddenbocker's troops were exhausted, but determined.
 
2014-01-15 10:42:48 AM  
He had no choice.

The retired cop was only a captain, he was forced into shooting by a Colonel.

/It doesn't translate as well in print.
 
2014-01-15 10:44:45 AM  

rotsky: Trivia Jockey: The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

General Reddenbocker's troops were exhausted, but determined.


It was a damned pressure cooker down in there, I'm telling you.
 
2014-01-15 10:44:51 AM  

FlashHarry: grokca: I blame John Cleese for not teaching us how to properly defend against popcorn.

Yeah, you try that with a pineapple down your windpipe.


What movie were they watching?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 10:52:43 AM  
Dimensio:

As a police officer, any previous outbursts of anger were likely overlooked or considered justified.

There may have been some, but he couldn't have been going around killing people over trivial things
 
2014-01-15 10:53:49 AM  
It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.
 
2014-01-15 10:54:34 AM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: The shooter is a retired police captain.

i wonder what they'll do to him in prison.


Throw popcorn at him
 
2014-01-15 10:55:06 AM  

Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"


Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.
 
2014-01-15 10:55:45 AM  

Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"


Like that matters to vpb....
 
2014-01-15 10:57:37 AM  
Get your liquor cabinets stocked, this is going to require a lot of drinks.
 
2014-01-15 10:58:01 AM  
Maybe he thought the guy behind him was a Killer Klown from Outer Space. Have you seen what that popcorn will do to you? The defense rests, your honor.
 
2014-01-15 10:58:18 AM  

Generation_D: Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.


And SYG wasn't used at his trial.  QED.
 
2014-01-15 10:59:37 AM  

vpb: Dimensio:

As a police officer, any previous outbursts of anger were likely overlooked or considered justified.

There may have been some, but he couldn't have been going around killing people over trivial things


I must concede your point, as he was not a police officer in California.
 
2014-01-15 11:01:07 AM  

Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.


You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.
 
2014-01-15 11:01:35 AM  

Generation_D: Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.


That worked because (a) Zimm was injured by Trayvon Martin and (b) the other witness in that case was a corpse.

In this case you have the injured wife, the cop's wife, the off-duty sheriff that disarmed the shooter, the nurses that tried to save the victim's life, et cetera.  The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.
 
2014-01-15 11:02:47 AM  

Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.


Oh, that is correct as well.
 
2014-01-15 11:05:54 AM  

factoryconnection: Generation_D: Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

That worked because (a) Zimm was injured by Trayvon Martin and (b) the other witness in that case was a corpse.

In this case you have the injured wife, the cop's wife, the off-duty sheriff that disarmed the shooter, the nurses that tried to save the victim's life, et cetera.  The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.



Also victim is a clean-cut white guy. That really doesn't help the defense's case. Maybe if he had some tattoos or a long hair they'd have a case.
 
2014-01-15 11:07:15 AM  
I'll say this: if this defense works It'll make going to see Rocky Horror Show a very different experience.
 
2014-01-15 11:11:15 AM  
...drink!  *hic*  *thud*
 
2014-01-15 11:11:57 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.


POP POP in the attic theatre?  The mere fact that you call it "POP POP" tells me you're not ready.
 
2014-01-15 11:14:05 AM  
You toss popcorn at a cop you will get a beatdown, tased, and charged with terroristic threats, and hurling a missile like device.
 
2014-01-15 11:15:03 AM  
In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.
 
2014-01-15 11:16:10 AM  

Nabb1: Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.


I worked at a movie theatre as a poor college student. Had a '77 Dasher that burned oil like a motherfarker.

I have to admit that in some bleaker moments of poverty, in those darkest "hey, what's the worst that couId happen" musings, I seriously considered tapping off some of that free "butter" for the Dasher when I would have to choose between food or a few quarts of 10W40.

But eating the stuff? Never once got that desperate.
 
2014-01-15 11:18:56 AM  

kbronsito: Also victim is a clean-cut white guy. That really doesn't help the defense's case. Maybe if he had some tattoos or a long hair they'd have a case.


And his now-fatherless toddler is freaking adorable.  That'll be good for another five years at sentencing time.
 
2014-01-15 11:23:55 AM  
Good thing he didn't fire a warning shot in the air. He'd be hosed.
 
2014-01-15 11:25:12 AM  

vudukungfu: In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.


Can I supersize mine to a bazooka?
 
2014-01-15 11:25:51 AM  
We need stricter movie theater laws.
 
2014-01-15 11:29:32 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


He was retired iirc
 
2014-01-15 11:29:34 AM  

edmo: Good thing he didn't fire a warning shot in the air. He'd be hosed.


well, that and he's not a black woman.
 
2014-01-15 11:30:31 AM  
I should read the thread before posting.
 
2014-01-15 11:31:38 AM  

vernonFL: I should read the thread before posting.


Why start now?  You might spook people into a trend.
 
2014-01-15 11:34:56 AM  
Suspect: "They were coming right for me"
Florida:  "Good enough for me, let 'em go Lou."
 
2014-01-15 11:35:22 AM  
At least he wasn't talking at the screen like *SOME* people do....

/you know. *you* people.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 11:35:36 AM  

factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.


Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.
 
2014-01-15 11:36:53 AM  
www.reactiongifs.us
 
2014-01-15 11:37:19 AM  
Welcome to America.

The death penalty applies for every crime, from attempting to ask direction while black to throwing popcorn in a movie theatre.

But you can't kill a fetus the size of a pin head even if it almost certainly will cost the life of the mother-to-be or was produced by incestuous father-daughter rape and will certainly be a miserable shameful inbred misfit and cause of misery and crime for life.

Because that would be murder.
 
2014-01-15 11:37:28 AM  
Well.. to be fair, buttered popcorn probably kills more people every day in the US than guns do.
 
2014-01-15 11:37:45 AM  

vpb: It will probably work.


Actually no, stand your ground only works, if it is reasonable for the person to believe his life is in danger, and you are lawfully about your business.  Throwing a tub of popcorn would not be reasonable.

This guy being an ex-cop, also actually works against him.  It will be assumed that he has a higher level of training and restraint.  IE, he was trained to fight with his fist, and could be reasonably expected to defend himself, without using a firearm, unless the other guy was built like a heavyweight boxer, and the ex-cop had some medical condition that would make a prolonged fight a life threatening affair for himself.

Happen to be an ex-Florida cop myself.  Still haven't shot anyone in a movie theater, yet.
 
2014-01-15 11:37:52 AM  

vpb: factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.


Hard to retreat when someone has you on the ground and is giving you the business...
 
2014-01-15 11:38:40 AM  
This courageous armed man saved the entire theatre with his weapon!

/From texting during the movie.
 
2014-01-15 11:38:51 AM  
Eh, we told you so. Pretend like you care.
 
2014-01-15 11:39:01 AM  

FlashHarry: serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.

you mean the victim didn't look like a black kid in a hoodie?


In his defense, it was dark, and the victim was talking at a movie, so he probably thought the victim was black.
 
2014-01-15 11:39:58 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?
 
2014-01-15 11:40:03 AM  
Or it was a BOMB.  You don't know until after you shoot the guy in the face and then look.
 
2014-01-15 11:40:44 AM  

Nabb1: Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.


But it's oh so yummy :)
 
2014-01-15 11:40:46 AM  

akya: This courageous armed man saved the entire theatre with his weapon!

/From texting during the movie.


Actually I don't think the movie hadn't started. Apparently this all happened during the previews.
I wonder if the movie theater warning about not using cell phones had already been shown before it all went down.
 
2014-01-15 11:40:50 AM  
Obviously he was a good guy because good guys with guns always win.
 
2014-01-15 11:40:53 AM  
NEWSFLASH !!!   Cops kill people who make them angry.

...we now return you to your regularly scheduled ham fap.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:11 AM  
 
2014-01-15 11:41:19 AM  

vpb: factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.


As Mr. Zimmerman's defense included the claim that he was pinned on his back on the sidewalk and thus physically unable to retreat, and as the prosecution admitted an inability to disprove that claim, Mr. Zimmerman's defense would have been unchanged even if Florida law had explicitly mandated a "duty to retreat".

/Fun fact: a failed effort to supposedly repeal the "stand your ground" statute would not actually have repealed the "stand your ground" statute; it would have instead modified the state's "castle doctrine", while leaving the explicit declaration that no "duty to retreat" is imposed on an individual using deadly force in any location intact.
//The text of the proposed bill.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:20 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Did you even read the head line? He was a retired cop.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:21 AM  
I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:22 AM  

FlashHarry: i wonder what they'll do to him in prison.


As if he was going to be sentenced to prison. The absolute worst he will face is probation with some BS line from the judge about his age making prison inappropriate.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:39 AM  
A Milk Dud can put an eye out.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:54 AM  

miss diminutive: vudukungfu: In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.

Can I supersize mine to a bazooka?


can I get the rocket launcher upsize?
 
2014-01-15 11:41:55 AM  
I guess Subby is one of the lucky few who have never felt the PTSD-inducing pain of popcorn pedicel caught between the tooth and gum.

The warrior culture understands the unbridled violence that pours from this dental hell.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:57 AM  
Such a sad story. Even if the old dude goes to jail, is justice really served? He's 70 and retired, his life is basically over anyway.
 
2014-01-15 11:41:59 AM  

lennavan: Or it was a BOMB.  You don't know until after you shoot the guy in the face and then look.


Especially when you are a SWAT team veteran, nobody could think you would have any reason to be able to assess the threat.
 
2014-01-15 11:42:01 AM  

Fubini: I bet this guy had a stress-induced flashback, 'Nam style. Had to get the perp.


gunsandtacos.com
 
2014-01-15 11:42:07 AM  

Dimensio: Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.


Yes, making up multiple lies was part of his defense, not just one lie.  Let's be fair.
 
2014-01-15 11:42:18 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Umm, you mean like the guy in this article?
 
2014-01-15 11:42:19 AM  
static3.fashionmagazine247.com
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2014-01-15 11:42:31 AM  
If it was skittles he would of had a case.
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2014-01-15 11:42:48 AM  
If only everyone in the theater was packing and it turned into a whacky firefight.
 
2014-01-15 11:43:11 AM  

Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.


Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed).  I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight.  Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).
 
2014-01-15 11:43:19 AM  
what if the man's wife had a pistol, and was covering her popcorn tossing hubby...
and when the old guy went for his weapon, she put a .357 into his temple before he could fire.

tots legal.   and possibly earns the 'hero' tag.
 
2014-01-15 11:43:20 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


I don't remember when I did it, but I faved you as "Loves Guns" some time ago. Nice troll. 8/10.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:02 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


This is either a brilliant and subtly sarcastic observation, given the fact that the shooter in this case actually is a retired law enforcement officer, or it's really dumb.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:09 AM  
Hey the law is the law, if the guy felt threatened and he was in a dangerous situation he has no duty to retreat.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:16 AM  

miss diminutive: Can I supersize mine to a bazooka?


Bazooka!?!?!? Bubble gum is sold in the theater lobby, miss.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:23 AM  

Serious Black: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

I don't remember when I did it, but I faved you as "Loves Guns" some time ago. Nice troll. 8/10.


Oh, it's not a troll, it's a straw-man.  Sometimes the differences are subtle.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:28 AM  

ikanreed: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?


The joke, as it is constructed, is not merely in that police officers (both active and retired) are often regarded by major firearm restriction advocates as being more "trustworthy" to carry firearms when in public, but also in that federal law explicitly allows both active and retired law enforcement to carry concealed firearms in every state (with limited exceptions) regardless of state laws regarding the carrying of concealed deadly weapons, thus making Florida's "shall-issue" concealed weapons permit statute irrelevant to the shooter's legal ability to carry a firearm.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:33 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Such a sad story. Even if the old dude goes to jail, is justice really served? He's 70 and retired, his life is basically over anyway.


That was one of the things Adkisson said when he shot up a church to kill liberals.

He was a legal gun owner. There will be much more than this. Listen to some of these freaks, killing people is on their bucket list.
 
2014-01-15 11:44:34 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Such a sad story. Even if the old dude goes to jail, is justice really served? He's 70 and retired, his life is basically over anyway.


They could spice it up by tossing him in general population and letting it be known he's an ex-cop. I'm sure everyone in there would treat him with the respect he deserves.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:13 AM  

Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192


The theater was in his neighborhood watch zone so he was just on routine patrol.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:21 AM  

ikanreed: Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?


I "kan't reed" the thread, apparently.

stuffy: Did you even read the head line? He was a retired cop.


Telos: Umm, you mean like the guy in this article?


You guys... in the van.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:23 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


10/10
I like how you have as many "smart" votes as "funny" votes.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:40 AM  
1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:43 AM  
If this defense works, the next step is to make it legal to shoot someone who drops their bag of popcorn and leaves the theater without cleaning it up.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:50 AM  
FTFA:

Judge Lynn Tepper was not impressed.

"It may or may not have been popcorn," Tepper said. "An unknown object does not equal taking out a gun ... It doesn't warrant taking out a gun and firing it at someone's chest."


Well.. there you go folks.  Lets all get outraged anyhow though!!

/and while it certainly didnt justify taking a life, I'd also like to point out that if the victim had not hit another man in the face with an object, he would still be alive.  It takes two to tango.
 
2014-01-15 11:45:58 AM  

bacongood: I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.


Some old guy is ranting at you for texting, so you'd throw your expensive and easily breakable cellphone at him, rather than the disposable and cheap popcorn at hand? Seems unlikely.
 
2014-01-15 11:46:02 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed).  I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight.  Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).


How big was the average frontier town?
 
2014-01-15 11:46:10 AM  
The shooter might have a point, especially if it was movie theater popcorn he was assaulted with.  Most people agree that movie theater popcorn is injurious to your health.
 
2014-01-15 11:46:23 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Happen to be an ex-Florida cop myself.  Still haven't shot anyone in a movie theater, yet.


How pissed do you get when someone is texting during previews?
 
2014-01-15 11:46:44 AM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


Texan you say?
Florida would have been my first guess.
 
2014-01-15 11:46:52 AM  
Now I agreed with most people when they said that Skittles and iced tea wasn't a great enough threat to stand your ground against. But I'm gonna have to side with the ex-cop on this one. As someone who lives with diverticulitis, I can tell you that popcorn can be a very dangerous thing.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:06 AM  
It'll work, because Florida
 
2014-01-15 11:47:06 AM  

Dimensio: ikanreed: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?

The joke, as it is constructed, is not merely in that police officers (both active and retired) are often regarded by major firearm restriction advocates as being more "trustworthy" to carry firearms when in public, but also in that federal law explicitly allows both active and retired law enforcement to carry concealed firearms in every state (with limited exceptions) regardless of state laws regarding the carrying of concealed deadly weapons, thus making Florida's "shall-issue" concealed weapons permit statute irrelevant to the shooter's legal ability to carry a firearm.


Eh, I'm far enough away on the gun control debate, that I don't think the "carry" elements matter that much.  I would much rather see a society where even police officers don't have to be armed, but we're a constitutional amendment, and an unprecedented culture shift away from that, so I don't pretend we're going to see any real change.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:07 AM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: The shooter is a retired police captain.

i wonder what they'll do to him in prison.


If he's in the general population, he'll probably get killed.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:07 AM  
The dudes in jail. He's going to prison. Defense attorneys say all kinds of crap all the time. That's their job. It doesn't mean it is likely to work.

If only the shooter was a part time pastor, than we could have all the haters in here to spew their hyperbolic tripe.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:10 AM  
Okay, okay, he may have over reacted.  But don't we all feel safer now?
 
2014-01-15 11:47:27 AM  
I bet the rest of the asshats who were sitting in that theater and texting quietly put away their phones and enjoyed the movie.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:40 AM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


um, this -was- a cop. i really hope you were attempting to be being sarcastic and not actually that profoundly farktarded.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:44 AM  

Prey4reign: The shooter might have a point, especially if it was movie theater popcorn he was assaulted with.  Most people agree that movie theater popcorn is injurious to your health.


Roger Ebert died from cancer in his salivary glands.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:51 AM  

FlashHarry: Nabb1: The shooter is a retired police captain.

i wonder what they'll do to him in prison.


Let's hope alot of pain.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:51 AM  
The hull of justice.
 
2014-01-15 11:47:52 AM  
Generation_D [TotalFark]

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.


The "Zimm" case wasn't a "Stand your ground case so we know your opinions can be discounted as ignorant.
 
2014-01-15 11:48:24 AM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


Or alternatively, don't bring guns to the theater.
 
2014-01-15 11:48:28 AM  

Begoggle: Dimensio: Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.

Yes, making up multiple lies was part of his defense, not just one lie.  Let's be fair.


I was not aware that Mr. Zimmerman's claim of being pinned against the sidewalk was proved to be a lie. When was this lie exposed, and for what reason did the prosecutor not only fail to refute the lie, but even admit an inability to do so?
 
2014-01-15 11:48:28 AM  
I hope the retired cop's son is forced to pull the lever at his father's execution
 
2014-01-15 11:49:51 AM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater

when the movie starts.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater
when the movie starts.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside. Unless the movie hasn't started, in which case, fair game.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater
when the movie starts.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


FTFY. But yeah, it's rude to throw popcorn. That shiat has fake butter all over it and will stain your clothes.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 11:50:03 AM  
Trivia Jockey:

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

That's what the law says, but Florida courts seem not to be real good with the concept of reasonable.  Have you ever looked into some of the successful cases where SYG immunity was used?  It's been used by gang bangers in a shootout.

All he has to do is say he thought the guy was going to attack him, which actually may have been the case.  The fact that he could have backed off isn't relevant despite what the guy in the article says.

Kenneth B. Nunn, professor of law of the University of Florida's Levin College of Law. "But part of self defense requires you to retreat if you can do so in complete safety."

And here is what the actual law says:

(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

I don't know what sort of law that guy teaches but it doesn't seem to be Florida law.
.
 
2014-01-15 11:50:35 AM  

vpb: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The "stand your ground" needs to be repealed.  The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good.  It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

Also, I think that there ought to be a maximum age for carrying a firearm.  Too many old people get angry and frustrated when their mind starts going.  This guy managed to get through his career without snapping, so it's likely that this was some sort of age related mental deterioration.



See, I actually thought this guy did an entire LEO career and never had a justifiable opportunity to shoot anyone... and thanks to "Stand Your Ground," finally saw his chance.

Or so he thought... I think it's gonna be a case of "Haha... Yeah right! You shot a white dude, dummy! Muh-farker wasn't even swarthy."
 
2014-01-15 11:50:53 AM  

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


obviously you've never seen the guy when he's texting

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2014-01-15 11:51:24 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.


I'll never get over Canola Valley.
 
2014-01-15 11:51:34 AM  

uncleacid: A Milk Dud can put an eye out.


At least it wasn't a Junior Mint.

/very refreshing
 
2014-01-15 11:51:40 AM  
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.  This guy came up thinking he could basically pick and chose who to kill by announcing, "He was reaching for something, I felt threatened," and he was right.  Problem is he doesn't have the magic shield against prosecution that a badge entails now.

What do you want to bet everyone in the department knew for years that this was an erratic guy who was prone to trying to hurt people who crossed him or talked back to him?
 
2014-01-15 11:52:13 AM  

Nabb1: vpb: factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.

Hard to retreat when someone has you on the ground and is giving you the business...


Yeah Zimm shot Martin while Martin was on top of him...

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2014-01-15 11:52:48 AM  

Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.


[colddeadfingers.jpg]
 
2014-01-15 11:52:54 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Even if the old dude goes to jail, is justice really served? He's 70 and retired, his life is basically over anyway.


are you farking kidding me?  you don't get to murder people just because you turn 70.
 
2014-01-15 11:52:55 AM  

DrPainMD: Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

I'll never get over Canola Valley.



I hear ya, man.  During the carpet salting campaign, I lost several good friends.
 
2014-01-15 11:53:42 AM  
I told you that it would happen. They need to test the father for marijuana.
 
2014-01-15 11:53:58 AM  
So long as the victim doesn't look TOO much like he could be Obamas son, the trial should go smoothly.

And to paraphrase Chris Rock:  I'm not saying that I approve of shooting a guy texting in a theater, but I understand.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 11:54:01 AM  

Nabb1: vpb: factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.

Hard to retreat when someone has you on the ground and is giving you the business...


That's why you don't push things that far.  It's very easy to retreat if you don't follow someone in street clothes with a concealed weapon like you are a mugger or something.
 
2014-01-15 11:54:50 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.


Butter is already banned in movie theaters.

I mean, you don't imagine that the oleaginous substance slopped onto the dried out styrofoam nuggets mis-labelled as "popcorn" is actually "butter", do you?
 
2014-01-15 11:54:58 AM  
Will this result in smaller popcorn buckets?
 
2014-01-15 11:55:26 AM  

Super_pope: What do you want to bet everyone in the department knew for years that this was an erratic guy who was prone to trying to hurt people who crossed him or talked back to him?


We'll never know.  Blue line of silence and all that.
 
2014-01-15 11:55:52 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Actually no, stand your ground only works, if it is reasonable for the person to believe his life is in danger, and you are lawfully about your business. Throwing a tub of popcorn would not be reasonable.


A guy is pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-thru window in his truck.  Some guy walks in front of you waving a dog leash but you think it's a metal pipe.  So you shoot him in the chest.  You claim "stand your ground."  Do you go free?

A guy steals something from you so you chase him for over a block.  He swings a bag of radios at you so you stab him to death.  You claim "stand your ground."  Do you go free?

There's a loud party going on in the garage next door.  So you call the cops to complain and when the cops show up, a bunch of them run to try to not get busted and one tries to hide on your porch.  So you grab your gun, go out there and find an unarmed, drunk black 20 year old kid hiding from the cops.  He takes a step toward you, so you shoot him once in the chest, killing him.  You claim "stand your ground."  Do you go free?

You notice someone is robbing your neighbor.  So you call 911.  911 says cops are on the way, so don't worry and don't do anything.  You tell the 911 operator the cops better hurry up because you've got a shotgun and you're not going to let them go.  A few more things are said before you tell the 911 operator "You want to make a bet? I'm going to kill them... well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going."  The last thing the 911 operator hears is "Move, you're dead" before the cops show up and find two victims shot in the back.  You claim "stand your ground."  Do you go free?

Why yes, in all of these cases, you my good sir were simply protecting yourself when your life was in imminent danger.  Sure, mistaking a dog leash for a metal pipe and thinking either one of those puts your life in immediate danger while you are in a truck and he is in front of your truck is standing your ground, but mistaking popcorn for something else is crazy!
 
2014-01-15 11:55:53 AM  

vpb: This guy managed to get through his career without snapping, so it's likely that this was some sort of age related mental deterioration.


 or maybe the difference is that when he was on active duty he just got a free pass for all of the people he beat down.
 now that he retired and couldn't just blow off steam by kicking peoples heads in whenever he felt like it, the anger may have just gotten to him until he finally exploded.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 11:55:56 AM  
Dimensio:

The joke, as it is constructed, is not merely in that police officers (both active and retired) are often regarded by major firearm restriction advocates as being more "trustworthy" to carry firearms when in public, but also in that federal law explicitly allows both active and retired law enforcement to carry concealed firearms in every state (with limited exceptions) regardless of state laws regarding the carrying of concealed deadly weapons, thus making Florida's "shall-issue" concealed weapons permit statute irrelevant to the shooter's legal ability to carry a firearm.

In this case yes, but not everyone is a retired cop.
 
2014-01-15 11:56:31 AM  

fireclown: So long as the victim doesn't look TOO much like he could be Obamas son, the trial should go smoothly.



Sad that this is so acceptable.
 
2014-01-15 11:56:34 AM  

Satanus Maximus: Will this result in smaller popcorn buckets?


no, but the ones with bayonet lugs and pistol grips will be illegal.  Large capacity buckets will be illegal as well, and forget about free refills.
 
2014-01-15 11:56:40 AM  

Headso: Hey the law is the law, if the guy felt threatened and he was in a dangerous situation he has no duty to retreat.



That's not the law.
 
2014-01-15 11:56:54 AM  

Fark It: CrazyCracka420: Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed).  I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight.  Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).

How big was the average frontier town?


Good point, even when Tombstone was at it's most populist of 15,000-20,000 people (which looks like one of the bigger frontier towns), 2 murders would be about .0001% of the population.  When Murderapolis had it's most murders (97 in 1995) if it had a population of 370,000, it would have been .0002% of the population.  So very similar, however most frontier towns it looks like had under 2000 people, so 2 murders a year would be a lot more (per capita) than what we have now in most places.

My point was that there was rampant murders with firearms in the Wild West like some people have been led to believe.
 
2014-01-15 11:57:28 AM  

vpb: It will probably work.


No, it likely won't.  And here's the thing...  (too bad there are 145 comments before this that may have already said this...)

As a defense attorney, it is your job to come up with THE BEST defense for your client.  This is the way it has to be, even if many think it's absurd.  For the attorney to NOT do that would mean that his client didn't get a fair trial.  This could mean that the murdering bastard could go free.  The defense, the prosecution, even the judge, know this.

So like it or not, the defense has to try like mad to prove his innocence so when his guilt is finally proven, it is beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
2014-01-15 11:57:30 AM  

vudukungfu: miss diminutive: Can I supersize mine to a bazooka?

Bazooka!?!?!? Bubble gum is sold in the theater lobby, miss.


southernaristocracy.files.wordpress.com

♫ Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobbyyyyy, and get ourselves an advanced recoilless rocket propelled weapon delivery system ♫
 
2014-01-15 11:57:30 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Fark It: CrazyCracka420: Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed).  I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight.  Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).

How big was the average frontier town?

Good point, even when Tombstone was at it's most populist of 15,000-20,000 people (which looks like one of the bigger frontier towns), 2 murders would be about .0001% of the population.  When Murderapolis had it's most murders (97 in 1995) if it had a population of 370,000, it would have been .0002% of the population.  So very similar, however most frontier towns it looks like had under 2000 people, so 2 murders a year would be a lot more (per capita) than what we have now in most places.

My point was that there wasn't rampant murders with firearms in the Wild West like some people have been led to believe.


fark... FTFM
 
2014-01-15 11:57:48 AM  

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


It's not he was black or anything.
 
2014-01-15 11:57:56 AM  

ecl: If only everyone in the theater was packing and it turned into a whacky firefight.


076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2014-01-15 11:59:18 AM  
It's too bad the old man couldn't figure out BitTorrent.
 
2014-01-15 11:59:35 AM  

Super_pope: I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.  This guy came up thinking he could basically pick and chose who to kill by announcing, "He was reaching for something, I felt threatened," and he was right.  Problem is he doesn't have the magic shield against prosecution that a badge entails now.

What do you want to bet everyone in the department knew for years that this was an erratic guy who was prone to trying to hurt people who crossed him or talked back to him?


This.  But being this is Florida, the usual suspects are making this into a referendum on SYG and gun control, rather than taking a good, long look at LEOs.

The Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act, which allows all retired law enforcement at every level of government to carry concealed weapons anywhere, with no oversight, was reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.  It's OK to exempt active and retired law enforcement from any and all gun control, even though cops are much more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, and be involved in domestic violence, but a national concealed carry program for people who want to undergo training and a background check?  Out of the question.
 
2014-01-15 11:59:42 AM  
static1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-15 12:00:28 PM  
So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.
 
2014-01-15 12:00:32 PM  
i26.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-15 12:00:51 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Nabb1: vpb: factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really.  He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well.  It eliminates any requirement to retreat.

Hard to retreat when someone has you on the ground and is giving you the business...

Yeah Zimm shot Martin while Martin was on top of him...

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That's the way it was established at trial. At least that's how the jury saw it. The prosecutors sure couldn't establish otherwise. Even their own medical witnesses said Zimmerman's injuries were consistent with his story about being beaten. It's okay to be disappointed in the outcome, but at least educate yourself on how that outcome came to be what it was.
 
2014-01-15 12:01:06 PM  
Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?
 
2014-01-15 12:01:49 PM  
 
2014-01-15 12:02:05 PM  

Fark It: Super_pope: I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.  This guy came up thinking he could basically pick and chose who to kill by announcing, "He was reaching for something, I felt threatened," and he was right.  Problem is he doesn't have the magic shield against prosecution that a badge entails now.

What do you want to bet everyone in the department knew for years that this was an erratic guy who was prone to trying to hurt people who crossed him or talked back to him?

This.  But being this is Florida, the usual suspects are making this into a referendum on SYG and gun control, rather than taking a good, long look at LEOs.

The Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act, which allows all retired law enforcement at every level of government to carry concealed weapons anywhere, with no oversight, was reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.  It's OK to exempt active and retired law enforcement from any and all gun control, even though cops are much more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, and be involved in domestic violence, but a national concealed carry program for people who want to undergo training and a background check?  Out of the question.


The Violence Policy Center is quite pleased with this incident, as it allows them to add another entry to their list of "Concealed Carry Killers", and claim that it could have been prevented had only Florida's "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statute been repealed.
 
2014-01-15 12:02:34 PM  

vudukungfu: You toss popcorn at a cop you will get a beatdown, tased, and charged with terroristic threats, and hurling a missile like device.


Many missile-like devices, actually. Each kernel is a separate charge.
 
2014-01-15 12:02:36 PM  

LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.


Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.
 
2014-01-15 12:02:55 PM  

brap: Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?


31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-15 12:03:25 PM  

Fark It: Super_pope: I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.  This guy came up thinking he could basically pick and chose who to kill by announcing, "He was reaching for something, I felt threatened," and he was right.  Problem is he doesn't have the magic shield against prosecution that a badge entails now.

What do you want to bet everyone in the department knew for years that this was an erratic guy who was prone to trying to hurt people who crossed him or talked back to him?

This.  But being this is Florida, the usual suspects are making this into a referendum on SYG and gun control, rather than taking a good, long look at LEOs.

The Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act, which allows all retired law enforcement at every level of government to carry concealed weapons anywhere, with no oversight, was reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.  It's OK to exempt active and retired law enforcement from any and all gun control, even though cops are much more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, and be involved in domestic violence, but a national concealed carry program for people who want to undergo training and a background check?  Out of the question.



Well in their defense, if the guy was a cop and he managed to get through his career and retire with benefits they probably feel like they have a good idea about his background since he technically had to be mentally stable to hold the job. I also assume they think that cops may have to deal with people who they have come into contact with during their careers who may not be happy about their last interaction.
 
2014-01-15 12:03:35 PM  
He's an old bully who is accused of harrassing other movie patrons with his pet peeve (CNN's top headline now). He got in someone's face after he couldn't get him thrown out (left the theater in a huff, returned in a huff without an employee) and pisses off the victim. Victim stands up for himself, throws popcorn and old man shoots, hitting both the wife and the husband.

This all happened during the previews. The movie was not even running yet. Guy had a big chip on his shoulder and panics when someone doesn't cower to his badge-less posturing. Charge him with murder and attempted murder, take away his toys and lock him up. Then throw more popcorn at him.

/(retired) Cops are not above the law, they are supposed to uphold it. yada yada, broken record.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-15 12:04:16 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: down.
 now that he retired and couldn't just blow off steam by kicking peoples heads in whenever he felt like it, the anger may have just gotten to him until he finally exploded.


No, I think the trail of bodies would be noticeable. Even in Florida.

I know some people like to imagine cops go around killing people like some people chain smoke, but the country would be de-populated if that were actually the case.

Besides, I've seen enough old people hit that point where they start having trouble dealing with the world and they start getting frustrated and angry.
 
2014-01-15 12:04:20 PM  

brap: Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?


Link.
 
2014-01-15 12:04:29 PM  
It was probably popcorn but it could have been grenade. Are you willing to take that chance?
Am I doing it right?
 
2014-01-15 12:05:09 PM  

Onkel Buck: LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.

Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.



Gonna be even harder for you bigots to decide who to root for.
 
2014-01-15 12:05:19 PM  
I was on Facebook when that woman realized he was the same guy that harassed her (it was a Tampa Bay Times link with the first photo of the guy). It was fun reading her realize it was him in real time.
 
2014-01-15 12:05:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Well in their defense, if the guy was a cop and he managed to get through his career and retire with benefits they probably feel like they have a good idea about his background since he technically had to be mentally stable to hold the job.


You don't really read much about law enforcement in this country, do you?

I also assume they think that cops may have to deal with people who they have come into contact with during their careers who may not be happy about their last interaction.

So, cops are the only people who might run into dangerous and/or angry people?  Are you saying that a concealed handgun is a good way to protect yourself from someone intent on doing harm?
 
2014-01-15 12:06:37 PM  

grokca: I blame John Cleese for not teaching us how to properly defend against popcorn.


'Ooooo, popcorn eh?  Getting all high and mighty eh?'....
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-01-15 12:06:43 PM  

ecl: If only everyone in the theater was packing and it turned into a whacky firefight.


Everyone should carry cream pies.. that way life can be like the unused ending to Doctor Strangelove...
 
2014-01-15 12:07:13 PM  
I'm so tired of these murdering pigs. And they almost always get away with it.

The government keeps lists of people it deems criminal. Maybe the Internet should maintain a list of abusive and killer pigs: their names, each new address and phone number, etc. Why should they just go on with their lives? Someone who kills one of them sure doesn't get to do that.
 
2014-01-15 12:07:16 PM  

vpb: Ivan the Tolerable: down.
 now that he retired and couldn't just blow off steam by kicking peoples heads in whenever he felt like it, the anger may have just gotten to him until he finally exploded.

No, I think the trail of bodies would be noticeable. Even in Florida.

I know some people like to imagine cops go around killing people like some people chain smoke, but the country would be de-populated if that were actually the case.

Besides, I've seen enough old people hit that point where they start having trouble dealing with the world and they start getting frustrated and angry.


I agree.  That's why we should repeal LEOSA and replace it with a national concealed carry system that establishes a training regimen and re-licensing every few years, with special cognitive tests for people old enough to collect social security.
 
2014-01-15 12:07:28 PM  

ginko: He's an old bully who is accused of harrassing other movie patrons with his pet peeve (CNN's top headline now). He got in someone's face after he couldn't get him thrown out (left the theater in a huff, returned in a huff without an employee) and pisses off the victim. Victim stands up for himself, throws popcorn and old man shoots, hitting both the wife and the husband.

This all happened during the previews. The movie was not even running yet. Guy had a big chip on his shoulder and panics when someone doesn't cower to his badge-less posturing. Charge him with murder and attempted murder, take away his toys and lock him up. Then throw more popcorn at him.

/(retired) Cops are not above the law, they are supposed to uphold it. yada yada, broken record.



Yeah, this incident has the whiff of "RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!"
 
2014-01-15 12:07:37 PM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


7. A grown-ass man shoots you after not following 1-6. Hero to all Texans.
 
2014-01-15 12:08:19 PM  
Oh come on!  Who hasn't wanted to shoot the farktard with the cell phone in a theater?

This man was just living the dream.
 
2014-01-15 12:08:42 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed).  I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight.  Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).


To be fair, they had a lot less movies back then.
 
2014-01-15 12:09:21 PM  
I hope the prison serves him nothing but popcorn for his prison meal everyday for the rest of his life.
 
2014-01-15 12:10:19 PM  

Fark It: DROxINxTHExWIND: Well in their defense, if the guy was a cop and he managed to get through his career and retire with benefits they probably feel like they have a good idea about his background since he technically had to be mentally stable to hold the job.

You don't really read much about law enforcement in this country, do you?

I also assume they think that cops may have to deal with people who they have come into contact with during their careers who may not be happy about their last interaction.

So, cops are the only people who might run into dangerous and/or angry people?  Are you saying that a concealed handgun is a good way to protect yourself from someone intent on doing harm?



Settle down, sir. I have not offered my opinion on it. I'm giving you the probable defense for why they allow cops to continue to carry guns. Shiat, most of the active officers probably need their weapons taken away. Oh, and words matter. I never said cops were the ONLY people who may run into a bad person. But, lets not be disingenuous. The nature of their job makes it more likely that they will run into a bad person who they have had a negative effect on. That doesn't mean accountants and florists don't get robbed.
 
2014-01-15 12:10:38 PM  

Nuclear Monk: CrazyCracka420: Generation_D: It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed).  I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight.  Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).

To be fair, they had a lot less movies back then.



And almost zero texting!
 
2014-01-15 12:11:04 PM  
normally I would stand with the cop, assuming he would have the experience and good judgement to carry a weapon after years of experience.
Normally I wouldn't have a problem bringing a weapon into a movie theater after colorado
but THIS farking guy...
 
2014-01-15 12:11:18 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Onkel Buck: LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.

Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.


Gonna be even harder for you bigots to decide who to root for.


The white guy! Duh!
 
2014-01-15 12:11:58 PM  

FlashHarry: bottom line: if the cop hand't had a gun on him, the victim would likely be alive today.


Not true.He would've strangled his victim with Twizzlers.
 
2014-01-15 12:12:08 PM  

serial_crusher: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The movie theater had a "no guns" policy, so I'm not sure what this has to do with people who carry legally.


The way it works in most permissible carry states is that the business can ask you to leave if they notice that you're carrying; otherwise their internal store policy is meaningless. Has no bearing on whether you're carrying legally.
 
2014-01-15 12:12:30 PM  
It's the victim's fault for not arming himself.  Or some other dumb bullshiat.
 
2014-01-15 12:12:42 PM  
Calm down. You can claim SYG or insanity or whatever defense your slimy lawyer can come up with. It does not mean you are getting off scott free. There is a judge or jury or both that have to agree you proved your case before that happens.
 
2014-01-15 12:12:51 PM  

FlashHarry: stand your ground, my ass.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-15 12:13:14 PM  

Dimensio: ikanreed: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?

The joke, as it is constructed, is not merely in that police officers (both active and retired) are often regarded by major firearm restriction advocates as being more "trustworthy" to carry firearms when in public, but also in that federal law explicitly allows both active and retired law enforcement to carry concealed firearms in every state (with limited exceptions) regardless of state laws regarding the carrying of concealed deadly weapons, thus making Florida's "shall-issue" concealed weapons permit statute irrelevant to the shooter's legal ability to carry a firearm.


And people say gun enthusiasts are pedantic . . .
 
2014-01-15 12:13:19 PM  

Begoggle: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

10/10
I like how you have as many "smart" votes as "funny" votes.


Yeah, that post was a thing of beauty, and got a lot of bites.
 
2014-01-15 12:13:52 PM  
I joked about this when the CO Batman shooting happened, about how we should have 'theater marshals.'  Now it doesn't sound like a bad idea.
 
2014-01-15 12:14:17 PM  
i26.photobucket.com

Can't believe this hasnt been posted yet
 
2014-01-15 12:14:54 PM  
I hope the senile old bat spends the rest of his life behind bars.

There is now a three year old girl whose father was killed trying to check up on her.

And for what? Because some old excop was angry he couldn't order people around anymore?

/I hope the inmates throw pop corn at him daily while the guards text about it.
 
2014-01-15 12:15:35 PM  
thelifeinexile.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-15 12:16:25 PM  

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


We have some beautiful, beautiful work in this thread. Looks like people are bringing their A-game.
 
2014-01-15 12:16:48 PM  

xanadian: Begoggle: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

10/10
I like how you have as many "smart" votes as "funny" votes.

Yeah, that post was a thing of beauty, and got a lot of bites.


In fact, my posting was an attempt to employ the technique known as "sarcasm", with no intention of it being interpreted as a sincere sentiment or expression of belief. Evidently, I have yet to master this technique.

This may delay our plans for conquering humanity.
 
2014-01-15 12:17:29 PM  
Farkin_Crazy:

7. A grown-ass man shoots you after not following 1-6. Hero to all Texans.

You don't know shiat about me.  This cop is not my hero.  I hope he goes to jail for a long damn time.
 
2014-01-15 12:18:54 PM  

Onkel Buck: DROxINxTHExWIND: Onkel Buck: LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.

Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.


Gonna be even harder for you bigots to decide who to root for.

The white guy! Duh!


The media will show pictures of the aggressor (when referring to him) and old frail man sitting alone in the park feeding ducks and other birds anything but pop corn, maybe day old bread.
 
2014-01-15 12:19:07 PM  

LeroyBourne: I joked about this when the CO Batman shooting happened, about how we should have 'theater marshals.'  Now it doesn't sound like a bad idea.



No. Its still a horrible idea. You were right to second guess it.
 
2014-01-15 12:19:13 PM  
Now waiting for Lone Survivor producers to offer Nicole Oulson a deal to use her story to help promote their film . . .
 
2014-01-15 12:20:01 PM  

FlashHarry: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Even if the old dude goes to jail, is justice really served? He's 70 and retired, his life is basically over anyway.

are you farking kidding me?  you don't get to murder people just because you turn 70.


Huh? How on earth did you get that from my post?
 
2014-01-15 12:20:27 PM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


This was great Pro-AM quality for sure. 7.89/10. One point deducted for not getting away with an obvious trigger word but one point awarded for 93.5% event recap distortion in a believable way.

the guild may- MAY have a letter for you in the morning. No promises, but keep up the good work.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:38 PM  
Pretty sure you don't get to "stand your ground" when carrying unlawfully.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:41 PM  

LeroyBourne: Onkel Buck: DROxINxTHExWIND: Onkel Buck: LeroyBourne: So this is the zimmerman2.0.  I can't wait for the circus trial.

Gonna be hard for the media to make this a racial witch hunt with two creepy as crackers being involved.


Gonna be even harder for you bigots to decide who to root for.

The white guy! Duh!

The media will show pictures of the aggressor (when referring to him) and old frail man sitting alone in the park feeding ducks and other birds anything but pop corn, maybe day old bread.



I'm trying to figure out what's taking you all so long to come to your conclusion that the dead guy was at fault. It was instantaneous in the other case.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:44 PM  
Popcorn, fist or a baseball bat... It's all assault.... Fark him... turn off your farking cell phones you inconsiderate bastards.
 
2014-01-15 12:20:46 PM  

brap: Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?


Thats just corny
 
2014-01-15 12:21:12 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: He had no choice.

The retired cop was only a captain, he was forced into shooting by a Colonel.

/It doesn't translate as well in print.


I hear what you did there.
 
2014-01-15 12:22:07 PM  
The only thing more annoying than someone texting in a movie theater is someone firing their gun in a movie theater.
 
2014-01-15 12:22:45 PM  
Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes.  One asshole killed the other.  One less asshole, and one more in jail.
 
2014-01-15 12:22:47 PM  
So we've got this guy who shot somebody because they were texting during a movie, the guy doing the texting throwing something like a bag of popcorn bag at the first guy and then being shot by the first guy who is now being held on assault charges and his lawyer is claiming "stand your ground"? Is that what this is all about?

Is it too soon to start talking about dumbass control?

/the shooter
//not the victim
 
2014-01-15 12:23:25 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LeroyBourne: I joked about this when the CO Batman shooting happened, about how we should have 'theater marshals.'  Now it doesn't sound like a bad idea.


No. Its still a horrible idea. You were right to second guess it.


Think about it.  The Marshal would lay down roll around in the discarded popcorn boxes, gum and other trash a sort of 'movie theater ghillie suit.'
 
2014-01-15 12:23:31 PM  
How long until someone claims the gun was acquired illegally?

Because everyone knows that  only illegal guns are used to commit murder... right?
 
2014-01-15 12:23:39 PM  
This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.
 
2014-01-15 12:25:12 PM  
Where will the prosecution find jurors that have never been to a movie?!
 
2014-01-15 12:25:38 PM  

mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it


Ending a life is a pretty big and overriding fault dude.

/and it's obviously 2 faults if he couldn;t use it correctly
 
2014-01-15 12:26:22 PM  

TheYeti: Where will the prosecution find jurors that have never been to a movie?!


The jury must be composed of the accused's peers. As such, the prosecutor must find jurors who are retired police chiefs with anger management issues.
 
2014-01-15 12:26:26 PM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


Yes the tragedy here is that someone might have been an annoying asshat at a movie theater.

It's very telling that you barely acknowledge the murder but you seem pretty pissed about texting during a movie.

/you wouldn't happen to own a gun now would you?
 
2014-01-15 12:26:57 PM  
They throw popcorn at one of yours, you put one of theirs in the morgue.  That's the Florida way!
 
2014-01-15 12:27:08 PM  
I bet if Obama had a son, he'd look  like Chad Wayne Oulsen.
 
2014-01-15 12:27:30 PM  
Farking idiot.

/ Floriduh: shoot first, ask questions later.
 
2014-01-15 12:27:48 PM  

mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it.


Did you miss the part where he was stalking around behind a woman who had texted at the theater until she hid in the bathroom to get away from the angry old cuss? And did you miss that the guy was texting with his daycare provider and not his kid?

Seems you've overlooked some key facts to take your  unpopular position on this. Maybe you ought to go re-read the article and make sure you actually understand the facts presented before you form an opinion?
 
2014-01-15 12:28:07 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it

Ending a life is a pretty big and overriding fault dude.

/and it's obviously 2 faults if he couldn;t use it correctly


Furthermore, the dead father was texting the babysitter, not his three year-old. The texting was during the previews, and the old bastard was involved in a previous incident at the theater where he intimidated a female who was texting.
 
2014-01-15 12:28:27 PM  

serial_crusher: The movie theater had a "no guns" policy, so I'm not sure what this has to do with people who carry legally.


So you're telling me that carriers don't always abide by the signs hanging on the front of business establishments?

It's too bad we didn't have one of these renegade badasses at the Century theater in Aurora. Oh wait, I forgot: Holmes presented a genuine threat to life and limb so there was no chance one of these pussies would have done anything (or more appropriately, none of those pussies DID anything, seeing that it was Colorado).
 
2014-01-15 12:28:31 PM  

Nabb1: farking_texan: Your handle doesn't surprise me, either. Bass players are notoriously thick-headed, and many of them are assholes.

Whoah, ease up there, Tex. Are you a drummer or something?


bass player
 
2014-01-15 12:28:38 PM  

Danger Mouse: I bet if Obama had a son, he'd look  like Chad Wayne Oulsen.


I bet if Corky had a son, he'd type like you.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:10 PM  
If being annoying was basis for murder I never would have made it out of my teens.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:30 PM  

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


So the couple that the crazy guy yelled at a week earlier were also entitled pricks?
 
2014-01-15 12:29:49 PM  

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them. have some self control.


Everything that you said except what I FFY.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:49 PM  

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


I already tried this, but with less explanation.  Everyone else here has decided that i'm wrong, just a gun-crazy Texas cowboy.
 
2014-01-15 12:29:53 PM  

Theaetetus: bacongood: I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.

Some old guy is ranting at you for texting, so you'd throw your expensive and easily breakable cellphone at him, rather than the disposable and cheap popcorn at hand? Seems unlikely.


Two days ago, I would have said that was far more likely than someone shooting someone else for throwing popcorn.

You also assume he has a nice phone, maybe he rolls with an old school flip phone.

But the point is, all we have is the "it may have been popcorn".  It may turn out to have only been popcorn, it may not.  But regardless of what it turns out to be, everyone will always says it was popcorn. Just like Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with certain cases, it continues to get brought up.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:15 PM  
hate to break it to you optimistic libs but the law Stand Your Ground legalized murder in Florida and all you gotta do to use it is prove you were scared for your life "back in '98 we breached a drug dealer's house and they were eating popcorn so I had a flashback and thought my life was on the line" the end not guilty too bad
 
2014-01-15 12:30:26 PM  
img.fark.net
I hate popcorn
 
2014-01-15 12:30:32 PM  

Blues_X: mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

So the couple that the crazy guy yelled at a week earlier were also entitled pricks?


Of course they were. They texted too. I mean, don;t you understand, it is totally okay for someone ELSE to murder someone who does something you don;t like.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:38 PM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Oh shut the fark up.  It's bad enough having to read about so many completely unnecessary and tragic shooting deaths in this country, without always having to also see the pro-gun farkers pop ino every thread with their two bits.

Another child growing up without a father, all because this country is absolutely looney about guns.

This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:40 PM  

brap: Was the other guy charged with A salt and Buttery?


www.replikultes.net

You're reading miranda to a corpse.
 
2014-01-15 12:30:53 PM  
The lawyer can cause some reasonable doubt with some well placed, "My client is 71, and suffers from slight dementia.."   Add that to SYG, and all of a sudden, it's the state's fault for not revoking his CCW...
 
2014-01-15 12:31:04 PM  

bacongood: I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.


Do you not see the irony in posting that, considering everything you wrote is utterly baseless speculation?

And yet you believe it, while mocking others for taken eyewitness' accounts as credible?

You're a special kind of "special".
 
2014-01-15 12:31:15 PM  

Trivia Jockey: DrPainMD: Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

I'll never get over Canola Valley.


I hear ya, man.  During the carpet salting campaign, I lost several good friends.


Manfred von Redenbacher shot down two of my squadron-mates.

I'LL GET YOU, KORN BARON!!!
 
2014-01-15 12:31:19 PM  

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


Texting about a three year old does not equal texting a three year old.

The shooter confronted the texter for texting during previews.  During previews.  This is often before they even advise you to turn off your phone.

Yes, the dead guy didn't have to confront the shooter, but he was probably incredulous that someone was making a big deal about texting during previews.

The old guys one fault was shooting someone dead when they were in no physical danger due to a confrontation that started because they got bent out of shape that someone was texting during previews.

There is no defending his actions.
 
2014-01-15 12:31:25 PM  

unexplained bacon: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

Yes the tragedy here is that someone might have been an annoying asshat at a movie theater.

It's very telling that you barely acknowledge the murder but you seem pretty pissed about texting during a movie.

/you wouldn't happen to own a gun now would you?


I'm sorry, do you need me to explain that I believe murder is wrong?  Hey, murder is wrong.  The murder is an asshole.  OK?

I own one antique rifle that I purchased almost 10 years ago and have never fired.  Is that ok with you?
 
2014-01-15 12:31:38 PM  

JohnnyC: mbillips: The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it.

Did you miss the part where he was stalking around behind a woman who had texted at the theater until she hid in the bathroom to get away from the angry old cuss? And did you miss that the guy was texting with his daycare provider and not his kid?

Seems you've overlooked some key facts to take your  unpopular position on this. Maybe you ought to go re-read the article and make sure you actually understand the facts presented before you form an opinion?


Ouch; that hurt just watching it.  Use lotion next time.
 
2014-01-15 12:31:39 PM  

Confabulat: If being annoying was basis for murder I never would have made it out of my teens.


Trayvon Martin said the same thing
 
2014-01-15 12:32:09 PM  
How mentally unstable are you if getting pelted with popcorn warrants killing a man?  If you agree with what this man dead, you too are too mentally unstable to own, much less use, a firearm.
 
2014-01-15 12:33:14 PM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


What's your point?
 
2014-01-15 12:33:20 PM  
farking_texan


Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes. One asshole killed the other. One less asshole, and one more in jail.


I am sure it was a mutual asshole exchange but I am pretty sure shooting asshole way overreacted.
 
2014-01-15 12:34:12 PM  
I think the big issue we're all missing is did Popcorn Dad finish sending his text?
 
2014-01-15 12:34:16 PM  

bacongood: Theaetetus: bacongood: I can't wait for later news to report that the tossed object was something potentially dangerous (cell phone), but everyone still claiming it was merely popcorn.

Not saying it would justify self defense, but it is amazing how people will cling to the initial reports as fact even when actual evidence is presented.

Some old guy is ranting at you for texting, so you'd throw your expensive and easily breakable cellphone at him, rather than the disposable and cheap popcorn at hand? Seems unlikely.

Two days ago, I would have said that was far more likely than someone shooting someone else for throwing popcorn.

You also assume he has a nice phone, maybe he rolls with an old school flip phone.

But the point is, all we have is the "it may have been popcorn".  It may turn out to have only been popcorn, it may not.  But regardless of what it turns out to be, everyone will always says it was popcorn. Just like Stand Your Ground has nothing to do with certain cases, it continues to get brought up.


What if it were Skittles?   Wouldn't THAT be entertaining.
 
2014-01-15 12:34:19 PM  

vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.


...so, if you're schizophrenic and the voices in your head tell you that you're in danger (and you truly believe that), then all is absolved?
 
2014-01-15 12:35:13 PM  

Doc Daneeka: This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.


I'll go ahead and repeat myself.
 
2014-01-15 12:35:24 PM  
yeah, not going to work.  Go directly to jail jerk...
 
2014-01-15 12:36:02 PM  

cervier: A grown ass-man



imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-15 12:36:36 PM  
1. white people problems lolz!
2. so the victim's wife is back on the market?  she gonna be oprah rich before this is over.
 
2014-01-15 12:36:36 PM  
An armed society is a polite society my ass.
 
2014-01-15 12:36:39 PM  

moike: I think the big issue we're all missing is did Popcorn Dad finish sending his text?


"Got shot by old dude lol, he was totes pissed"
 
2014-01-15 12:36:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I told you that it would happen. They need to test the father for marijuana.


He was making popcorn heroin.

It seems in Florida under stand your ground, you can go around starting confrontations with people and when they don't go the way you want it to go, you can shoot your way out of it.
 
2014-01-15 12:37:34 PM  

gilgigamesh: I have to admit that in some bleaker moments of poverty, in those darkest "hey, what's the worst that couId happen" musings, I seriously considered tapping off some of that free "butter" for the Dasher when I would have to choose between food or a few quarts of 10W40.


My retirement grease!
 
2014-01-15 12:37:37 PM  

farking_texan: Texting in a movie theater is everyone's business. Turn it off or take it outside, period.


Not before the movie, buddy. And you don't get to impose your will on me just because you carry a piece. fark you. During the movie it is an issue for management, not you. Mind your own damn business.
 
2014-01-15 12:37:41 PM  
The "stand your ground" thing is working fabulously. And I can understand why it was so necessary. How else are hysterical, easily frightened people with Dirty Harry delusions supposed to get away with killing people who bother them? I mean, before this landmark legislation, such a person might have thought twice about blowing away an unarmed person who had the temerity to be black or use a phone in a theater.

Now, all you have to do is claim you were afraid when you opened fire on someone with no way to defend themselves. No big deal.

Good job, Floriduh legislature.
 
2014-01-15 12:37:47 PM  

vudukungfu: In lieu of popcorn, we will be passing out guns to all participants in this thread.


Mmmmm....buttered guns.......
 
2014-01-15 12:38:49 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.


Think of all the old maidens who never made it. :(

/Kernel in the popcorn army
 
2014-01-15 12:38:56 PM  
Obviously the cop should go to jail and so sad for the dead guys family (even if he was an arsehole).....but it is ironic how many times in the theater I have wished I could shoot people who:

text / check their mail / play games on their phone/device
take ten minutes to open their candy in the noisiest way possible
eat their popcorn in a way that sounds like a pig gobbling crunchy slop
lift their straw in and out making that awful plastic on plastic screeching sound
kick the back of your seat
sit in front of you in a virtually empty theater
sit behind you in a virtually empty theater
Talk in a "whisper" that is loud enough to echo
Laugh like a hyena
Let their kids do any of the above
Let their kids run up and down the aisle

I am sure I can think of more if you give me time.

Just sayin'
 
2014-01-15 12:39:57 PM  

farking_texan: unexplained bacon: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

Yes the tragedy here is that someone might have been an annoying asshat at a movie theater.

It's very telling that you barely acknowledge the murder but you seem pretty pissed about texting during a movie.

/you wouldn't happen to own a gun now would you?

I'm sorry, do you need me to explain that I believe murder is wrong?  Hey, murder is wrong.  The murder is an asshole.  OK?

I own one antique rifle that I purchased almost 10 years ago and have never fired.  Is that ok with you?


Oh I see
You didn't have anything to say about the guy who killed someone at a movie theater because everyone knows that's bad.
You just wanted to make sure everyone was aware that some people get annoyed at people who text at the movies.

Now I get it.

I suppose you can keep your gun.
 
2014-01-15 12:40:32 PM  

serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.


Apparently, douches can marry good looking white women.
 
2014-01-15 12:40:37 PM  
It's the Florida way, you pull out popcorn and they pull out a gun
 
2014-01-15 12:41:20 PM  

jshine: cervier: A grown ass-man

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x342]


me too
 
2014-01-15 12:42:10 PM  
I was a police officer at one time, I know full well the responsibility of carrying a handgun, that's why I don't carry one now, obviously this knucklehead never learned
 
2014-01-15 12:42:57 PM  
Maybe he wanted to get away from his wife and this was the only way?
 
2014-01-15 12:43:08 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: serial_crusher: I was amenable to the SYG defense until I saw the photo of the victim in TFA.  That's just a normal family, not at all what I'd expect somebody dangerous to look like.

Apparently, douches can marry good looking white women.


Yes, but only young black men in hoodies can look threatening.
 
2014-01-15 12:43:41 PM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

"active and retired.  "

You do realize that the *shooter*  was a retired cop, yes?

 
2014-01-15 12:43:42 PM  

jshine: cervier: A grown ass-man


[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x342]


While I enjoy the XKCD reference, your attribution of the "grown ass-man" quote to me is incorrect.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:07 PM  

kbronsito: My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?


On the other hand, the young guy can see the old fart is no threat, and tell him to go pound sand and he will use his phone all he wants after the lights go dim.
So he whipped out the extra asshole juice. and called him a pussy for getting managment and decided to buck up.

He couldnt beleive he got shot.  He thought he could get in someones face all he wanted in a theater.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:10 PM  

Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society

my ass  my-ass.


Sorry. Pet peeve.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:11 PM  

Madbassist1: farking_texan: Texting in a movie theater is everyone's business. Turn it off or take it outside, period.

Not before the movie, buddy. And you don't get to impose your will on me just because you carry a piece. fark you. During the movie it is an issue for management, not you. Mind your own damn business.



This is the problem with the gun culture.  It give dudes the illusion of empowerment, by arming them with a deadly weapon.  So all of the sudden, what should have been at most, a fist fight, turns into a deadly altercation.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:12 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: The "stand your ground" thing is working fabulously. And I can understand why it was so necessary. How else are hysterical, easily frightened people with Dirty Harry delusions supposed to get away with killing people who bother them? I mean, before this landmark legislation, such a person might have thought twice about blowing away an unarmed person who had the temerity to be black or use a phone in a theater.

Now, all you have to do is claim you were afraid when you opened fire on someone with no way to defend themselves. No big deal.

Good job, Floriduh legislature.


Super_pope:

The Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act, which allows all retired law enforcement at every level of government to carry concealed weapons anywhere, with no oversight, was reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.  It's OK to exempt active and retired law enforcement from any and all gun control, even though cops are much more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, and be involved in domestic violence, but a national concealed carry program for people who want to undergo training and a background check?  Out of the question.

LEOSA is a federal law that allows retired law enforcement to carry concealed weapons, with no oversight, anywhere, and invalidates local prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons.  It was passed via unanimous consent in the Senate in 2004 and signed into law by President Bush.  It has since been reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:33 PM  

Girl On Couch: Mmmmm....buttered guns.......


And a salted.
 
2014-01-15 12:44:55 PM  
Remove the ex-cop's eyelids so he is forced to watch as every one of his loved ones is skinned alive in front of him.  And, when the entire gene-pool is eliminated, force the evil prick to kill himself with the jagged bones of his once beloved family.
 
2014-01-15 12:45:02 PM  

Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192


What's his Fark handle?
 
2014-01-15 12:45:07 PM  
I'm pretty sure that murdering a guy is going to ruin the movie experience a lot more that texting during the previews.
 
2014-01-15 12:45:42 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Oh shut the fark up.  It's bad enough having to read about so many completely unnecessary and tragic shooting deaths in this country, without always having to also see the pro-gun farkers pop ino every thread with their two bits.

Another child growing up without a father, all because this country is absolutely looney about guns.

This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.


See, you are dead wrong.  If the man who was killed had been armed and SHOT the old guy instead of just throwing popcorn at he, he would still be alive today.

Why do I even have to point out this logical bit of info?  He's dead because he was NOT ARMED!
 
2014-01-15 12:45:48 PM  
This shiat would not have happened if the old man just stayed in the car.
 
2014-01-15 12:46:25 PM  
At one point, prosecutor Manny Garcia told the judge that after Monday's shooting, a woman had come forward to describe an incident at the same movie house in the town of Wesley Chapel last month.
"She was at the Cobb movie theater when she was confronted by the defendant for texting," Garcia reported.
Garcia said that the 6-foot-1, 275 pound Reeves had even trailed the woman when she went to the ladies room in the midst of the movie.
"He was glaring at her the entire time," Garcia reported to the judge.


sounds like the old man had an authority complex. this is known as Zimmerman syndrome.
 
2014-01-15 12:46:39 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: kbronsito: My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?

On the other hand, the young guy can see the old fart is no threat, and tell him to go pound sand and he will use his phone all he wants after the lights go dim.
So he whipped out the extra asshole juice. and called him a pussy for getting managment and decided to buck up.

He couldnt beleive he got shot.  He thought he could get in someones face all he wanted in a theater.



So... the way to deal with someone being an asshole is to murder them.  got it.
 
2014-01-15 12:46:48 PM  
I'm a grown man and I complain on the internet about life's minor inconveniences as if it were important.
 
2014-01-15 12:47:02 PM  
Good thing it wasn't fried chicken.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-15 12:47:20 PM  

Nabb1: Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.


Drippings from Roseanne Barr's folds?
 
2014-01-15 12:47:27 PM  
"ugly specter of Stand Your Ground."

What is that supposed to mean? Stand Your Ground has saved tons of people's lives and I have never heard of it being used successfully as a defense for an unjustified shooting.

And don't mention Zimmerman, because Stand Your Ground was never a part of that case.
 
2014-01-15 12:47:38 PM  
The first article I read on this shooting reported that after the gentleman doing the texting rebuffed the idiot who shot him, the idiot went out to his car to get his gun.  This made it premeditated murder.  The ex-cop, aka idiot, should be ashamed of himself for the evil that he has done.
 
2014-01-15 12:48:22 PM  

Turbo Cojones: Doc Daneeka: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Oh shut the fark up.  It's bad enough having to read about so many completely unnecessary and tragic shooting deaths in this country, without always having to also see the pro-gun farkers pop ino every thread with their two bits.

Another child growing up without a father, all because this country is absolutely looney about guns.

This is yet another case that shows the sheer insanity of the idea that people carrying concealed weapons everywhere "for self-defense" makes society safer.

If we lived in a country with sensible gun control stories like these would be absolutely unthinkable.

See, you are dead wrong.  If the man who was killed had been armed and SHOT the old guy instead of just throwing popcorn at he, he would still be alive today.

Why do I even have to point out this logical bit of info?  He's dead because he was NOT ARMED!


And if every other person in the theater was armed (as they should have been), then nobody would have been killed!
 
2014-01-15 12:48:34 PM  

serial_crusher: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The movie theater had a "no guns" policy, so I'm not sure what this has to do with people who carry legally.


If true, then it's case closed. As much as I hate these policies, they do (generally) have the force of law, so if he drew his weapon in a place he was not allowed to have it, there is no affirmative defense.
 
2014-01-15 12:49:06 PM  
My neighbor is a retired cop, and he's never not packing.
 
2014-01-15 12:49:17 PM  

arentol: "ugly specter of Stand Your Ground."

What is that supposed to mean? Stand Your Ground has saved tons of people's lives and I have never heard of it being used successfully as a defense for an unjustified shooting.

And don't mention Zimmerman, because Stand Your Ground was never a part of that case.


A ton of people would only be ten or fifteen people.
 
2014-01-15 12:49:36 PM  

phojo1946: The first article I read on this shooting reported that after the gentleman doing the texting rebuffed the idiot who shot him, the idiot went out to his car to get his gun.


If that turns out to be the case, then...  yeah.  This dumb, old bastard should get the death penalty (they still have that in Florida, right?).
 
2014-01-15 12:49:47 PM  

Chummer45: Nutsac_Jim: kbronsito: My take on this... the retired cop was in his 70s but he still wants to be a tough guy and start shiat with people in the street. But a younger guy can really hurt him, so he need his gun. So you see, without a gun he wouldn't feel comfortable acting like a tough and picking fights in public. And isn't protecting his right to do that worth a few lives here or there?

On the other hand, the young guy can see the old fart is no threat, and tell him to go pound sand and he will use his phone all he wants after the lights go dim.
So he whipped out the extra asshole juice. and called him a pussy for getting managment and decided to buck up.

He couldnt beleive he got shot.  He thought he could get in someones face all he wanted in a theater.

So... the way to deal with someone being an asshole is to murder them.  got it.


Awesome retort to an argument that was not stated.  Nobody said that.  Why do you molest children?
 
2014-01-15 12:50:14 PM  
Did the theater give refunds?
 
2014-01-15 12:50:16 PM  

Crewmannumber6: My neighbor is a retired cop, and he's never not packing.


Well, when the hell is he going to finally leave?
 
2014-01-15 12:50:35 PM  
Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?
 
2014-01-15 12:51:16 PM  

Chummer45: And if every other person in the theater was armed (as they should have been), then nobody would have been killed!


The only way for ANYONE in this country to be safe is if we ALL walk with guns loaded, drawn,  and sighted on anything that moves or might be a threat.

To do any less means your family deserves to die.
 
2014-01-15 12:51:20 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192


That's the flaw in all the "armed society is a polite society" theory.  It's bullshiat.

Carrying a gun doesn't make you any more polite, it just makes you feel powerful.  Every little incident of aggravation, annoyance, rudeness, aggressive driving, etc. that under other circumstances would result in a fistfight at worst, now results in dead bodies when people are armed.

When you have a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail, and when you carry a gun everywhere...well, it's not surprising what tends to happen.
 
2014-01-15 12:51:27 PM  

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


How farked up is your life if someone throwing popcorn at you makes you "long" to shoot them? Grow up farkwads, have some self control.
 
2014-01-15 12:51:46 PM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


He was retired law enforcement.  And he's killed one more person than all CCW holders I know combined.
 
2014-01-15 12:52:31 PM  

Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true.  Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear.  It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.


There's one tiny difference here:  this happened in front of a theater full of witnesses that will all be able to testify that there's no way in hell the shooter should have been in fear of his life because of a flying popcorn ball.  In the Zimmerman trial, all they had to go with was the testimony of the defendant, the physical evidence, and a spotty eye witness that verified that Zimmerman was on the ground with Martin over him.  Comparing the two cases is ridiculous.
 
2014-01-15 12:52:43 PM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


Thus showing why many of us refuse to spell Texass with only one "s."
 
2014-01-15 12:53:06 PM  

Fark It: Smelly Pirate Hooker: The "stand your ground" thing is working fabulously. And I can understand why it was so necessary. How else are hysterical, easily frightened people with Dirty Harry delusions supposed to get away with killing people who bother them? I mean, before this landmark legislation, such a person might have thought twice about blowing away an unarmed person who had the temerity to be black or use a phone in a theater.

Now, all you have to do is claim you were afraid when you opened fire on someone with no way to defend themselves. No big deal.

Good job, Floriduh legislature.

Super_pope:

The Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act, which allows all retired law enforcement at every level of government to carry concealed weapons anywhere, with no oversight, was reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.  It's OK to exempt active and retired law enforcement from any and all gun control, even though cops are much more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, and be involved in domestic violence, but a national concealed carry program for people who want to undergo training and a background check?  Out of the question.

LEOSA is a federal law that allows retired law enforcement to carry concealed weapons, with no oversight, anywhere, and invalidates local prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons.  It was passed via unanimous consent in the Senate in 2004 and signed into law by President Bush.  It has since been reauthorized and expanded twice by President Obama.


Well, that throws my other argument out. It may come down to justifying his carry under LEOSA, but still, if he did go out to his vehicle to obtain the weapon after the confrontation began, he again loses his affirmative defense.
 
2014-01-15 12:53:28 PM  

varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?


Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.


/profit?
//He brought it on himself.
 
2014-01-15 12:53:32 PM  
I hope he was talking to the nanny, and not his kid.

Its bad enough losing daddy, I would not want to even think about how awful she would feel because daddy was texting her when he died.
 
2014-01-15 12:53:35 PM  

crzybtch: Obviously the cop should go to jail and so sad for the dead guys family (even if he was an arsehole).....but it is ironic how many times in the theater I have wished I could shoot people who:

text / check their mail / play games on their phone/device
take ten minutes to open their candy in the noisiest way possible
eat their popcorn in a way that sounds like a pig gobbling crunchy slop
lift their straw in and out making that awful plastic on plastic screeching sound
kick the back of your seat
sit in front of you in a virtually empty theater
sit behind you in a virtually empty theater
Talk in a "whisper" that is loud enough to echo
Laugh like a hyena
Let their kids do any of the above
Let their kids run up and down the aisle

I am sure I can think of more if you give me time.

Just sayin'


That's what you get for being stupid enough to pay an exorbitant fee to cram yourself into a farking theater with other unwashed primitive screwheads.  You bought the ticket, you take the ride... moron.

And the entire time you're wedged between two fatties with your eight dollar soda and 14 dollar popcorn ready to pop a vein in your forehead due to your rage-on the enlightened are smart enough to download a screener copy and watch the damn movie in the privacy and comfort of their own homes...  Where things are far less likely to resemble a monkey cage whipped into a shiat-slinging frenzy.

Who the fark still goes to the movies in this modern day and age?
 
2014-01-15 12:53:52 PM  

spiderpaz: In the Zimmerman trial, all they had to go with was the testimony of the defendant, the physical evidence, and a spotty eye witness that verified that Zimmerman was on the ground with Martin over him.


And the prosecution's own expert witness, the medical examiner...
 
2014-01-15 12:54:08 PM  

farking_texan: Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes.  One asshole killed the other.  One less asshole, and one more in jail.


Oh, you're STILL posting in this thread?
I thought you ran away embarrassed.
 
2014-01-15 12:54:52 PM  

vpb: Trivia Jockey:

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

That's what the law says, but Florida courts seem not to be real good with the concept of reasonable.  Have you ever looked into some of the successful cases where SYG immunity was used?  It's been used by gang bangers in a shootout.

All he has to do is say he thought the guy was going to attack him, which actually may have been the case.  The fact that he could have backed off isn't relevant despite what the guy in the article says.

Kenneth B. Nunn, professor of law of the University of Florida's Levin College of Law. "But part of self defense requires you to retreat if you can do so in complete safety."

And here is what the actual law says:

(3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

I don't know what sort of law that guy teaches but it doesn't seem to be Florida law.
.

You bolded the wrong part of the sentence.  Reasonable belief is directly in the statute.

/Not to defense SYG laws at all.
//The bigger danger may be in morans who think that they can shoot under broader circumstances than the law allows, so let's make sure we are accurate.
 
2014-01-15 12:55:08 PM  

mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.


OR he could have went back to the manager and said that dude threw popcorn at him and had the dude kicked out of the theater then laughed at him for missing his date night with his wife.  But no he chose to just shoot him instead.
 
2014-01-15 12:55:09 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: I hope he was talking to the nanny, and not his kid.

Its bad enough losing daddy, I would not want to even think about how awful she would feel because daddy was texting her when he died.


Nanny? Who has a farking nanny?
 
2014-01-15 12:55:15 PM  

ChipNASA: varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?

Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.

/profit?
//He brought it on himself.


You have probably caused more upset feelings with this post than the victim did.  Should you be killed for trolling?
 
2014-01-15 12:55:30 PM  
Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.
 
2014-01-15 12:55:31 PM  
unexplained bacon:

I suppose you can keep your gun.

Thanks, Dad.  Texting in a movie theater is inconsiderate and antisocial behavior, no matter what some of the excuse-makers in this thread may say.  "It was only the previews" they say.  They are assholes, too.  Maybe I'm an asshole, but I don't throw popcorn at people or pull guns on them.  Or play with my phone when I'm in a theater.
 
2014-01-15 12:56:28 PM  

ChipNASA: varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?

Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.

/profit?
//He brought it on himself.


Texting during a movie a crime deserving death?  Jesus.

Besides which, the movie hadn't even started yet.  It was the farking previews.
 
2014-01-15 12:57:25 PM  

Egoy3k: ChipNASA: varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?

Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.

/profit?
//He brought it on himself.

You have probably caused more upset feelings with this post than the victim did.  Should you be killed for trolling?


Only if you can shoot me through the internet.

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2014-01-15 12:57:38 PM  

farking_texan: Maybe I'm an asshole, but I don't throw popcorn at people or pull guns on them. Or play with my phone when I'm in a theater.


It is important that everyone understand that all of these things are equal.

And deserving of death.
 
2014-01-15 12:57:46 PM  

Dimensio: ikanreed: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Can I participate in the dogpile on you too, or are you good?

The joke, as it is constructed, is not merely in that police officers (both active and retired) are often regarded by major firearm restriction advocates as being more "trustworthy" to carry firearms when in public, but also in that federal law explicitly allows both active and retired law enforcement to carry concealed firearms in every state (with limited exceptions) regardless of state laws regarding the carrying of concealed deadly weapons, thus making Florida's "shall-issue" concealed weapons permit statute irrelevant to the shooter's legal ability to carry a firearm.


Because mental illness and creeping demensiotia should never be considered before evaluating whether somebody walks around armed in public. "Shall issue" is stupid, too.
Nor, of course, should driver license renewals be evaluated more closely for elderly drivers. Because farmers' markets or somesuch.

NB Lives in a state where carry, concealed or open, is allowed for any idiot, so many idiots do.
 
2014-01-15 12:58:06 PM  
Looks like a common movie/cell phone popcorn throwing asshole collided with a murderous asshole. One is dead and the other hopefully is headed to prison for a very long time. I dont really understand why the article is painting either one as a hero.
 
2014-01-15 12:58:11 PM  
I remember when I went to watch a Hulk film, some teenagers in the theater were playing with a laser pointer on the screen during the film.  I was thinking, "Do you really want to be obnoxious during a film about anger management issues?"

But I didn't shoot them, I just went to get the manager.

Oh, well.  At least this court case will prove once and for all which is more dangerous: popcorn or skittles.
 
2014-01-15 12:58:39 PM  

CheatCommando: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

Thus showing why many of us refuse to spell Texass with only one "s."


Because you are an idiot that characterizes a state with a population of 26 million by the views of a few outspoken individuals?  And you are actually proud of this?   You aren't very bright, sir.
 
2014-01-15 12:58:40 PM  

factoryconnection: The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.


The dead guy committed assault and battery against a 70 year old man while screaming at him.  Since I wasn't there I can't really say what went on his mind, but apparently the old guy felt he was under much greater threat of bodily injury when a 40 year felt it was appropriate to scream and assault and commit battery against a 70 year old man in a theater.

It doesn't seem like this 70 year old man had a pattern of shooting people in theaters.  In fact, he seems to have had a distinguished career in a position of authority in a job that required the use of guns all the time.

I say he walks.

/This is what Floridians voted for.  You can escalate a fight to the point that the other party attacks you with no weapons and then you get to kill them and all you have to do is say you felt there was a reasonable chance you could have been injured by the other party.
 
2014-01-15 12:59:04 PM  

FTFA: But even if Reeves goes to prison for life,

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahhaahAAAAAAAAAAAA.  yea not going to happen.  hero ex cop guns down libby hippy and his lesbian wife is the headlines all over florida right now I bet.

Widowed lady, grab that cute lil dogbait girl and get the fark out of Florida while you can.  Before they farking kill you.  Dear sane people..

ALL THESE STATES
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
FLORIDA
ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE

You have been warned.
 
2014-01-15 12:59:08 PM  

ChipNASA: varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?

Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.

/profit?
//He brought it on himself.


He wasn;t talking.
 
2014-01-15 12:59:13 PM  

Begoggle: farking_texan: Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes.  One asshole killed the other.  One less asshole, and one more in jail.

Oh, you're STILL posting in this thread?
I thought you ran away embarrassed.


When you argue with a fool, it only proves there are two - Irish proverb
 
2014-01-15 12:59:56 PM  

vudukungfu: Nutsac_Jim: I hope he was talking to the nanny, and not his kid.

Its bad enough losing daddy, I would not want to even think about how awful she would feel because daddy was texting her when he died.

Nanny? Who has a farking nanny?


People who like their kids.
 
2014-01-15 01:00:00 PM  
and so here we have a person who pretty much anyone would assume to be the poster child for responsible gun carrying right? a former police captain.. old white guy.. isnt this pretty much exactly the person in mind when people go on about the good guy with a gun stopping the bad guy with the gun.. and yet.. here he is, turning out to be the bad guy with a gun. And a little girl is going to grow up without a father.
 
2014-01-15 01:00:16 PM  

grokca: I blame John Cleese for not teaching us how to properly defend against popcorn.


But the ex-cop did apply John Cleese's defense against attack by banana, so there is that.
 
2014-01-15 01:00:31 PM  
There will be no Zimmerman defense here. The old bully won't get oodles of right wing idiots donating cash to his defense. I find it odd none of my pro-Zimmerman friends have commented on this yet. Maybe because the victim, from the pictures I've seen, was an average guy who probably owned a few guns himself.

Then again, they're probably not that self-aware but the silence from the gun nut crowd over this is deafening.
 
2014-01-15 01:01:04 PM  

farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.


The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

/CSB: my wife and I were at a theater to watch a movie for the first time in 5 months after getting a day away from the baby finally and we sit down in an empty theater.  Just before the feature starts this woman and her mom who's on oxygen being wheeled around come and sit right next to us, and then another couple sits on the other side of us (trapped).  We had to sit there listening to this pump pushing oxygen into her every 3 seconds the entire time.  THEN came the snoring.  Lots.OF.Snoring.  Still didn't ruin my mood though.
 
2014-01-15 01:01:23 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: vudukungfu: Nutsac_Jim: I hope he was talking to the nanny, and not his kid.

Its bad enough losing daddy, I would not want to even think about how awful she would feel because daddy was texting her when he died.

Nanny? Who has a farking nanny?

?

/"Saving Mr Banks" was a good little film too
 
2014-01-15 01:02:34 PM  

Begoggle: farking_texan: Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes.  One asshole killed the other.  One less asshole, and one more in jail.

Oh, you're STILL posting in this thread?
I thought you ran away embarrassed.


Why, did you embarass me at some point?
 
2014-01-15 01:02:36 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Nutsac_Jim: vudukungfu: Nutsac_Jim: I hope he was talking to the nanny, and not his kid.

Its bad enough losing daddy, I would not want to even think about how awful she would feel because daddy was texting her when he died.

Nanny? Who has a farking nanny?

filmfanatic.org


?

/"Saving Mr Banks" was a good little film too

 
2014-01-15 01:02:39 PM  
Good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with popcorn.
 
2014-01-15 01:02:46 PM  

spiderpaz: /CSB: my wife and I were at a theater to watch a movie for the first time in 5 months after getting a day away from the baby finally and we sit down in an empty theater. Just before the feature starts this woman and her mom who's on oxygen being wheeled around come and sit right next to us, and then another couple sits on the other side of us (trapped). We had to sit there listening to this pump pushing oxygen into her every 3 seconds the entire time. THEN came the snoring. Lots.OF.Snoring. Still didn't ruin my mood though.


You're a coward and a disgrace to this country for not executing the lot of them.
 
2014-01-15 01:02:51 PM  

ChipNASA: Egoy3k: ChipNASA: varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?

Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.

/profit?
//He brought it on himself.

You have probably caused more upset feelings with this post than the victim did.  Should you be killed for trolling?

Only if you can shoot me through the internet.

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/welcometofark.jpg


I think you are mistaken. I'm not upset at all, and I don't think you should be killed for upsetting people.  Believing that would mean that I'm a psycopath.
 
2014-01-15 01:02:56 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: and so here we have a person who pretty much anyone would assume to be the poster child for responsible gun carrying right? a former police captain.. old white guy.. isnt this pretty much exactly the person in mind when people go on about the good guy with a gun stopping the bad guy with the gun.. and yet.. here he is, turning out to be the bad guy with a gun. And a little girl is going to grow up without a father.


I was at a theater once and this guy wrote a text message.  It was a terrible ordeal.  I pray you never have to experience such a thing.

If only I had a gun.  Things would have been different.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:06 PM  

trotsky: There will be no Zimmerman defense here. The old bully won't get oodles of right wing idiots donating cash to his defense. I find it odd none of my pro-Zimmerman friends have commented on this yet. Maybe because the victim, from the pictures I've seen, was an average guy who probably owned a few guns himself.

Then again, they're probably not that self-aware but the silence from the gun nut crowd over this is deafening.


The victim in this case wasn't on top of the shooter and pummeling him before he got shot.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:18 PM  

Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.


Well the theater does ask you to be considerate of others around you and to turn off your phone. Wouldnt it be polite to do that? But like one poster said above, one asshole is dead and the other asshole is probably going to jail

/I think a throat punch would have been just as satisfying
 
2014-01-15 01:03:30 PM  

farking_texan: Begoggle: farking_texan: Here's a novel idea : both of these guys are assholes.  One asshole killed the other.  One less asshole, and one more in jail.

Oh, you're STILL posting in this thread?
I thought you ran away embarrassed.

Why, did you embarass me at some point?


Right. You'd have to give a shiat about anyone else. to possibly be embarassed about anything.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:33 PM  

trotsky: There will be no Zimmerman defense here. The old bully won't get oodles of right wing idiots donating cash to his defense. I find it odd none of my pro-Zimmerman friends have commented on this yet. Maybe because the victim, from the pictures I've seen, was an average guy who probably owned a few guns himself.


Or maybe some people don't determine their opinions on cases based on how they like the victim or not, but rather on how much evidence there is to convict the accused.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:34 PM  

ZAZ: Dimensio

As a retired cop, the shooter probably had the protection of a new federal law that prohibits states from taking guns away from ex-cops.  (Wikipedia article, which I have not fact checked.)


Random side story here:

You know why Dianne Feinstein is such an gun control fanatic?

She was the one who found Harvey Milk's dead body after he and the Mayor Moscone was gunned down by an ex-supervisor when they were both on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.  This act also made her Mayor and led to her gaining a higher political profile eventually leading to her election to the US Senate.

Of course, the ex-supervisor (Dan White), was also an ex-cop, and performed the assassinations with his former service revolver, so almost no gun control legislation sponsored by her or anybody else would have applied.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:37 PM  

mikaloyd: Looks like a common movie/cell phone popcorn throwing asshole collided with a murderous asshole. One is dead and the other hopefully is headed to prison for a very long time. I dont really understand why the article is painting either one as a hero.


This.

And I'd like to nominate Dimensio for sarcastatroll comment of the year so far.  Lots of bites on that one.  Bravo, sir.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:51 PM  

Fark It: trotsky: There will be no Zimmerman defense here. The old bully won't get oodles of right wing idiots donating cash to his defense. I find it odd none of my pro-Zimmerman friends have commented on this yet. Maybe because the victim, from the pictures I've seen, was an average guy who probably owned a few guns himself.

Then again, they're probably not that self-aware but the silence from the gun nut crowd over this is deafening.

The victim in this case wasn't on top of the shooter and pummeling him before he got shot.


Also, white.
 
2014-01-15 01:03:57 PM  

trotsky: There will be no Zimmerman defense here. The old bully won't get oodles of right wing idiots donating cash to his defense. I find it odd none of my pro-Zimmerman friends have commented on this yet. Maybe because the victim, from the pictures I've seen, was an average guy who probably owned a few guns himself.

Then again, they're probably not that self-aware but the silence from the gun nut crowd over this is deafening.


Why would they chime in and defend this guy?

There is no reason to have shot Capt Text.

Save the 'use the same old argument line no matter what' for all the lefties that have already commented at how the old man has a small wiener and that is why he carries.
 
2014-01-15 01:04:27 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.


Yep.  This guy was a trained law enforcement officer inches away from his target, he had been interacting directly with his target for several minutes, he fired only one shot, and despite all of that he still managed to hit an innocent bystander in addition to his intended target.
 
2014-01-15 01:05:45 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

This is either a brilliant and subtly sarcastic observation, given the fact that the shooter in this case actually is a retired law enforcement officer, or it's really dumb.


I'd go with the bolded part based on his prior history.
 
2014-01-15 01:05:49 PM  

spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.


If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.
 
2014-01-15 01:06:26 PM  
It doesnt really bother me that this guy was carrying.

This is because I am not a douche that texts after the lights go out and video is playing.... and I dont
throw shiat at people and them a pussy for getting management and then get in their face.

He should get 20 years.  the other guy already got life for being a dick.
 
2014-01-15 01:06:48 PM  

spiderpaz: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

/CSB: my wife and I were at a theater to watch a movie for the first time in 5 months after getting a day away from the baby finally and we sit down in an empty theater.  Just before the feature starts this woman and her mom who's on oxygen being wheeled around come and sit right next to us, and then another couple sits on the other side of us (trapped).  We had to sit there listening to this pump pushing oxygen into her every 3 seconds the entire time.  THEN came the snoring.  Lots.OF.Snoring.  Still didn't ruin my mood though.


Should've shot that disrespectful biatch! How dare she slightly interrupt 2 hours of your life with her oxygen tank hissing and her sleep apnea style snoring! The GALL!!
 
2014-01-15 01:06:55 PM  
Lawyers gonna lawyer.  Don't hate, appreciate.
 
2014-01-15 01:07:00 PM  

Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Perfect score!
 
2014-01-15 01:07:23 PM  

The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.


Are you OK?
 
2014-01-15 01:07:28 PM  
Can Florida stop being a state now please?
 
2014-01-15 01:07:41 PM  

The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.


If you look at the big bright screen in front of you, you generally don't notice things like that. And seriously it's the previews.

If someone is texting during the movie and it's bothering you, by all means get the manager. They probably won't do anything, but they might.
 
2014-01-15 01:08:16 PM  
ChipNASA:

Wait so you're claiming that it's ok to shoot people for being a world class asshole in a way that absolutely makes you a world class asshole yourself.

Do you shoot yourself next?
 
2014-01-15 01:08:37 PM  
Time to ban popcorn I guess.

Have them sell guns at the concession stand so that every one in the theater is armed.

This would have been avoided if the father would have had a gun.


/am I doing this right?
/guns (unless zombie invasion) = small penis compensation
 
2014-01-15 01:08:49 PM  

Doc Daneeka: HaywoodJablonski: Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192

That's the flaw in all the "armed society is a polite society" theory.  It's bullshiat.

Carrying a gun doesn't make you any more polite, it just makes you feel powerful.  Every little incident of aggravation, annoyance, rudeness, aggressive driving, etc. that under other circumstances would result in a fistfight at worst, now results in dead bodies when people are armed.

When you have a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail, and when you carry a gun everywhere...well, it's not surprising what tends to happen.


I am certain that you will be able to justify your claims through reference to evidence showing that concealed weapons permit holders express a feeling of "power" and showing that concealed weapons permit holders commit violent crime at a rate substantially higher than that of the general adult population. I therefore eagerly anticipate being able to read that data.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:10 PM  

factoryconnection: Generation_D: Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

That worked because (a) Zimm was injured by Trayvon Martin and (b) the other witness in that case was a corpse.

In this case you have the injured wife, the cop's wife, the off-duty sheriff that disarmed the shooter, the nurses that tried to save the victim's life, et cetera.  The lawyer is using "Stand Your Ground" because it is all he's got to defend his crazy client that shoots people in movie theaters.


SYG is like the insanity defense.  Its the only thing you can pull out to defend the indefensible.  The law is not broken just because it is invoked defend the indefensible.  It is broken only if it works to defend the indefensible.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:41 PM  

Begoggle: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

Texan you say?
Florida would have been my first guess.


And also a basement dweller would have been my further guess.
 
2014-01-15 01:09:53 PM  

Dimensio: The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.


Um, this incident showed that a retired LEO is no better than the next trigger happy yahoo.
 
2014-01-15 01:10:47 PM  

Onkel Buck: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.

Well the theater does ask you to be considerate of others around you and to turn off your phone. Wouldnt it be polite to do that? But like one poster said above, one asshole is dead and the other asshole is probably going to jail

/I think a throat punch would have been just as satisfying


They ask you to turn off your phone before the movie starts not during the previews.
 
2014-01-15 01:11:11 PM  
spiderpaz:

The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

No, a "soda on the head" is not a valid option, just as shooting someone over texting in a theater is a valid option.  If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.
 
2014-01-15 01:11:22 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-15 01:12:10 PM  

Doc Daneeka: ChipNASA: varmitydog: Oulson was by all accounts a world class dad, just as his wife, Nicole, is a world class mom.

After reading this story, all I can think about is Nicole Oulson telling her three year daughter that her daddy was dead.
And of all the years from now when they don't have him around. And for what?

Because he was an inconsiderate asshole.

SIT. DOWN. SHUT. THE. FARK. UP.  WATCH. MOVIE. GO. HOME.

/profit?
//He brought it on himself.

Texting during a movie a crime deserving death?  Jesus.

Besides which, the movie hadn't even started yet.  It was the farking previews.


1) The victim was texting, not talking, which sits much lower on the list of annoying things to do in a movie theater.
2) The defendant's own son was about to cause his own disruption by arriving late. You think dad would have shot him too ?
3) Disruptions that occur during previews just don't seem very important, except, pehaps, to a self-appointed theater vigilante cantankerous ex-cop with a gun. Wish he'd just taken up fishing instead.

I suspect that I have fallen for a troll.
 
2014-01-15 01:12:26 PM  

Wingchild: Pretty sure you don't get to "stand your ground" when carrying unlawfully.


Stand your ground doesn't require a gun.  You can "stand your ground" with your fists, or a bat.  Whatever.  Whether or not the tool you use is illegal is irrelevant to the statute.  (It may be a circumstance to consider when evaluating if you were "reasonable" when you stood your ground, but that's a bit different.)
 
2014-01-15 01:12:32 PM  

redmid17: The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.

If you look at the big bright screen in front of you, you generally don't notice things like that. And seriously it's the previews.

If someone is texting during the movie and it's bothering you, by all means get the manager. They probably won't do anything, but they might.


Seriously?   You think texting in a movie theater is OK?   You're a piece of human garbage.  Stop being garbage.
 
2014-01-15 01:12:34 PM  

The Larch: Nutsac_Jim: Apparently, this does solve the Batman dilemma, of whether a CCW holder would have been able to shoot in a dark theater and hit his target and not kill the 15 people sitting around.

Yep.  This guy was a trained law enforcement officer inches away from his target, he had been interacting directly with his target for several minutes, he fired only one shot, and despite all of that he still managed to hit an innocent bystander in addition to his intended target.



How do you know he missed.  Maybe he was trying to save $5000
 
2014-01-15 01:12:44 PM  
this is why everyone needs to carry popcorn.

let he who is without sin cast the first kernel

all this and no grass present?
maybe the guy wanted to sleep through the movie so...get off my yawn ?
 
2014-01-15 01:13:20 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: "Shall issue" is stupid, too.


As I am certain that you will be able to demonstrate by showing that concealed weapons permit holders in "shall issue" states commit violent crime at a rate higher than that of the general populace.
 
2014-01-15 01:13:35 PM  

farking_texan: If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.


Do you think throwing popcorn is 'initiating a physical confrontation' that justifies a response with a pistol?
 
2014-01-15 01:14:01 PM  

born_yesterday: Chummer45: And if every other person in the theater was armed (as they should have been), then nobody would have been killed!

The only way for ANYONE in this country to be safe is if we ALL walk with guns loaded, drawn,  and sighted on anything that moves or might be a threat.

To do any less means your family deserves to die.



That would virtually eliminate all crime in this country.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:10 PM  

spiderpaz: Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst -


Years ago, I saw someone complain to a bunch of teens about being loud.  One of them threw their soda over several rows at the guy...and he caught it.   Without the lid coming off and spilling a drop.  That was badass.

But yeah, he totally should have executed them all.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:44 PM  

The Larch: Seriously? You think texting in a movie theater is OK?


It isn't ok.  However, discussing the propriety of texting in a theater in this thread is really missing the point.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:44 PM  

brantgoose: Welcome to America.

The death penalty applies for every crime, from attempting to ask direction while black to throwing popcorn in a movie theatre.

But you can't kill a fetus the size of a pin head even if it almost certainly will cost the life of the mother-to-be or was produced by incestuous father-daughter rape and will certainly be a miserable shameful inbred misfit and cause of misery and crime for life.

Because that would be murder.


Hope you don't mind, but I'm so stealing this for future use.
 
2014-01-15 01:14:45 PM  
Jim from Saint Paul:

Right. You'd have to give a shiat about anyone else. to possibly be embarassed about anything.

You don't know me at all, farkwad.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:07 PM  

Trivia Jockey: farking_texan: If you initiate a physical confrontation and wind up getting shot, it's your own damn fault.

Do you think throwing popcorn is 'initiating a physical confrontation' that justifies a response with a pistol?



He's a god-awful troll.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:08 PM  
Stupid people vs. assholes. Beating, shooting etc ensues. That is all.

Each and every single goddam "gun-derp" thread here at fark seems to involve a story where an asshole shoots an idiot.
(or other way around) Zim vs. Tray.........yadda...yadda

....then, some misinformed troll-tard babbles "stand your ground" and there it f*cking goes again.

All these people from the initial story are assholes and morons. (one goes to morgue and other to jail, GOOD!)
All you thread trolls are just as asinine and moronic.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:13 PM  
img.fark.net
Officer Bubbles also fears popcorn.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:15 PM  
Wait... there are honestly and truly people in this thread defending the piece of subhuman filth who was texting in a movie theater?

Are you all just being ironic and edgy, or are you serious about this?
 
2014-01-15 01:15:38 PM  

Chummer45: The only way for ANYONE in this country to be safe is if we ALL walk with guns loaded, drawn, and sighted on anything that moves or might be a threat.

That would virtually eliminate all crime in this country.



No it wouldn't...it would just redfine it.
 
2014-01-15 01:15:45 PM  

Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.


Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:04 PM  
Valid justification for self defense with a firearm-- A flurry of fists upon your face MMA style.

Invalid justification for self defense with a firearm-- A flurry of popcorn upon your face.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:32 PM  

The Larch: redmid17: The Larch: spiderpaz: The guy was texting (silent) his daughter during the previews (not even the movie) ... how much of an intolerant grumpy old fart do you have to be to go off and complain to management over something like that?  Talking on the phone during the feature would be cause for maybe a soda on the head at worst - but this doesn't even register on the scale of dickhead things to do in a theater.

If you think texting during the previews is OK, I hope someone shoots you and kills you.

If you look at the big bright screen in front of you, you generally don't notice things like that. And seriously it's the previews.

If someone is texting during the movie and it's bothering you, by all means get the manager. They probably won't do anything, but they might.

Seriously?   You think texting in a movie theater is OK?   You're a piece of human garbage.  Stop being garbage.


Yes mostly because most people texting in a movie theater are outside of the auditorium. I leave my phone on silent in my pocket. I guess I'm an adult who doesn't quiver with rage every time someone doesn't adhere to every social norm. I rarely see/hear people texting when I go to a movie and I see one generally around once a month. I realize it bothers people -- that's why I don't do it -- but go get a manager. Like I said, they probably won't do anything. If it *really* bothers you that much, go to a place that actually kicks people out for doing it. If you don't, you're just reinforcing the view that it's not really that big of a deal.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:34 PM  
I'll bet if he threw skittles that most of the people in this thread would be on different sides than they are.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:46 PM  

deanis: mbillips: This probably isn't a popular view, but my theory is that the victim was an entitled prick.

Exhibit A: He's texting to his THREE-YEAR-OLD during the previews. Fark, dude, you got a sitter and went to the movies. Stay in the moment; your precious snowflake won't die from lack of hovering.

Exhibit B: Cranky old man says something about the texting. Dickweed cops an attitude, points out that he's texting with his precious snowflake, so everyone should shut up. Cranky old man goes and tells the manager, who probably says, "It's the trailers, old dude; the house lights aren't even down all the way. Chill." Cranky old man comes back to his seat.

Exhibit C: Words are exchanged. I'm assuming Mr. I Got Shot copped an attitude about the old man narcing on him to the management. That's what you're supposed to do when someone is being a dick at the movies. Turning your farking phone off and leaving it in your pocket is the correct response to someone asking you to stop texting at the movies, not giving them a ration of shiat.

Exhibit D: Guy throws popcorn at an old man. Seriously, who throws popcorn? That's asking for a beatdown.

The old guys' ONE fault was bringing a gun and using it. Everything else is on the shooting victim. This should be a lesson to you gun fondlers out there, to leave the thing at home unless you're actually going somewhere hazardous, because there are pricks out there in the normal course of life that will make you LONG to shoot them.

How farked up is your life if someone throwing popcorn at you makes you "long" to shoot them? Grow up farkwads, have some self control.


That's pretty much standard Southern man reaction. It's not the popcorn; it's the lack of respect for my potential deadliness. Spitting on me would draw the same reaction. We're raised like that. Insult to honor = physical assault.

/I've pretty much grown out of it, but I UNDERSTAND.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:50 PM  

vpb: It will probably work.


He does have a strong defense for the Florida stand your ground law. Are you afraid? Shoot.
 
2014-01-15 01:16:52 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Don't laugh.  I remember the Great Popcorn Wars like they were yesterday.  I still have flashbacks when I hear those "POP POP POP" sounds.  The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.


Trivia Jockey: rotsky: Trivia Jockey: The Battle of Canola Valley was particularly tragic.

General Reddenbocker's troops were exhausted, but determined.

It was a damned pressure cooker down in there, I'm telling you.


It's always good to meet a Vet from that day, regardless of the side you were on...  Do you still hear the melting butter?
 
2014-01-15 01:17:04 PM  

The Larch: there are honestly and truly people in this thread defending the piece of subhuman filth who was texting in a movie theater?


In the context of "people who deserve to get shot to death", yes, we are defending him.

This isn't a referendum on texting in movie theaters.  It's a referendum on not shooting people who do annoying, rude things.
 
2014-01-15 01:17:20 PM  
Latinwolf:  And also a basement dweller would have been my further guess.

Texas doesn't have many basements, quiz-kid.
 
2014-01-15 01:17:32 PM  

ginko: He's an old bully who is accused of harrassing other movie patrons with his pet peeve (CNN's top headline now). He got in someone's face after he couldn't get him thrown out (left the theater in a huff, returned in a huff without an employee) and pisses off the victim. Victim stands up for himself, throws popcorn and old man shoots, hitting both the wife and the husband.

This all happened during the previews. The movie was not even running yet. Guy had a big chip on his shoulder and panics when someone doesn't cower to his badge-less posturing. Charge him with murder and attempted murder, take away his toys and lock him up. Then throw more popcorn at him.


And this was not the first person this dude tried to mess with, FTA:

At one point, prosecutor Manny Garcia told the judge that after Monday's shooting, a woman had come forward to describe an incident at the same movie house in the town of Wesley Chapel last month.
"She was at the Cobb movie theater when she was confronted by the defendant for texting," Garcia reported.
Garcia said that the 6-foot-1, 275 pound Reeves had even trailed the woman when she went to the ladies room in the midst of the movie.
"He was glaring at her the entire time," Garcia reported to the judge.

 
Sounds like this guy wasn't wrapped too tight, but it doesn't stop the gun nuts from making excuses for this guy.
 
2014-01-15 01:17:39 PM  

Farker Soze: Wyalt Derp: An armed society is a polite society my ass.

Two douchebags are now permanently removed from society.  It's a process.



You're a terrible person.