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(The Daily Beast)   The lawyer for the ex-cop who shot and killed a man in a Florida movie theater may use the Stand Your Ground defense because the victim "threw an unknown object" at the defendant. That "object?" It was likely popcorn   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 1007
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2014-01-15 01:46:39 PM
Footage from the theater video shows Popcorn dad tossing individual pieces of pop corn in the guys face one at a time while mocking him;

"What? are you going to do cry now? Are you going to cry? Huh?"

"What's the matter? Got some popcorn in your face?"

"What are you going to do? Shoot me?"

-BLAM-
 
2014-01-15 01:47:56 PM

moike: crzybtch: Obviously the cop should go to jail and so sad for the dead guys family (even if he was an arsehole).....but it is ironic how many times in the theater I have wished I could shoot people who:

text / check their mail / play games on their phone/device
take ten minutes to open their candy in the noisiest way possible
eat their popcorn in a way that sounds like a pig gobbling crunchy slop
lift their straw in and out making that awful plastic on plastic screeching sound
kick the back of your seat
sit in front of you in a virtually empty theater
sit behind you in a virtually empty theater
Talk in a "whisper" that is loud enough to echo
Laugh like a hyena
Let their kids do any of the above
Let their kids run up and down the aisle

I am sure I can think of more if you give me time.

Just sayin'

That's what you get for being stupid enough to pay an exorbitant fee to cram yourself into a farking theater with other unwashed primitive screwheads.  You bought the ticket, you take the ride... moron.

And the entire time you're wedged between two fatties with your eight dollar soda and 14 dollar popcorn ready to pop a vein in your forehead due to your rage-on the enlightened are smart enough to download a screener copy and watch the damn movie in the privacy and comfort of their own homes...  Where things are far less likely to resemble a monkey cage whipped into a shiat-slinging frenzy.

Who the fark still goes to the movies in this modern day and age?


Well now that you so KINDLY asked, the only time I do go to a movie is to take a 9 year old kid whose mom died of ovarian cancer.  But since you are adamant about things, why not go out and punch an old lady for no reason then go home and kick your dog Mr. Sunshine..
 
2014-01-15 01:48:02 PM

DubyaHater: Dimensio: DubyaHater: Stand Your Ground=Legal Murder.

How, exactly, was the accused former police chief acquitted so quickly? When did this acquittal occur? By what means did you obtain this information? I cannot locate such a report anywhere.

If you can drag "Stand Your Ground" out every time someone is murdered, the law has become a joke. The law is being treated as grounds for legal murder. It's a bullshiat law that should be repealed.


You are saying, then, that the use of a law as a defense for a criminal act is itself reason to repeal the law, even if the defense is unsuccessful?

How, exactly, would you advocate allowing self-defense, or do you advocate prohibiting deadly force in any circumstances?
 
2014-01-15 01:48:52 PM

DubyaHater: Dimensio: DubyaHater: Stand Your Ground=Legal Murder.

How, exactly, was the accused former police chief acquitted so quickly? When did this acquittal occur? By what means did you obtain this information? I cannot locate such a report anywhere.

If you can drag "Stand Your Ground" out every time someone is murdered, the law has become a joke. The law is being treated as grounds for legal murder. It's a bullshiat law that should be repealed.


The biggest problem with the Stand Your Ground laws is not the laws in and of themselves.  It's the fact that paranoids and morans hear a few words and use them to reinforce their own irrational, angry outlooks.
 
2014-01-15 01:48:58 PM

capt.hollister: 2) The defendant's own son was about to cause his own disruption by arriving late. You think dad would have shot him too ?



YES!

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2014-01-15 01:49:09 PM

the money is in the banana stand: deanis: Texting, teasing, and throwing popcorn!? . Seriously, if things this small in magnitude cause you fits of rage: seek help. I can't wait until the next time someone does something I don't necessarily like (the next time someone farts next to me on a plane, BOOM. Shows over cupcake).

While shooting him was totally uncalled for, beating him would not have been. If you don't think it is such a big deal, I am sure you would totally sit still if someone flung food at you or dumped their drink on you right? What would you do in that scenario, walk off if a 3rd party did nothing to resolve the situation? Do you have siblings? The first course of action is to tell Mom and Dad. If Mom and Dad don't do anything about it or your sibling continues to annoy you, you get a free pass to beat the shiat out of them and make them stop.


Typical tough guy response. Treat every situation as if YOU are a vigilante on a mission to teach someone a gd lesson about societal norms. Tease someone? Thats a beatin', text in a movie theater (BEFORE THE FARKING MOVIE EVEN STARTS)? thats a beatin', look at me funny? definite beatin'.

I'm glad that we have so many tough guys willing to be the judge, jury, and most fun of all, executioner.
 
2014-01-15 01:49:11 PM

Danger Mouse: Footage from the theater video shows Popcorn dad tossing individual pieces of pop corn in the guys face one at a time while mocking him;

"What? are you going to do cry now? Are you going to cry? Huh?"

"What's the matter? Got some popcorn in your face?"

"What are you going to do? Shoot me?"

-BLAM-


Would love to see a link to that footage.
 
2014-01-15 01:49:33 PM
You have to have emotional firebreaks.

Lines which you will never cross without taking the time to think of where you're going, why you're going there, and what's at stake.

If you just keep doubling down, it's an exponential track to war.   Anger is an emotion we can control if we decide to.  Unchecked, uncontrolled anger can evolve into homicidal rage.  There are times when that is called for, but a great many more when it isn't.

This ex-cop got frustrated, got humiliated, got yelled at, got embarrassed, felt ineffective, and ended up with a face full of popcorn "in front of everyone".  He had underestimated his opponent, who never backed down.  He couldn't handle it, and he lost control of himself.  The mistake happened when he allowed himself to get that pissed off in the first place.

Watch how smart people handle react when stuff happens to them.  They never add energy to a situation.  They damp it out, de-escalate, oftentimes without being obvious about it.

They remain in control.
 
2014-01-15 01:49:49 PM
It's almost as if the alarmists concerning Florida's "stand your ground" law were 100% correct.
 
2014-01-15 01:50:27 PM

capt.hollister: 2) The defendant's own son was about to cause his own disruption by arriving late. You think dad would have shot him too ?


Of course not.  Son was a Cop.  Polite behavior is for little people.
 
2014-01-15 01:50:30 PM

cig-mkr: dazed420: cig-mkr: "Hey friend, mind not texting, I'm trying to enjoy my movie experience here with the wife"
"Sorry about that, let me go to the lobby"
END OF STORY !

previews, not the movie.  Reading for the win.

 The previews are part of the entire "movie experience" aren't they?


No they are not, that's a stupid attempt to validate the argument.  Often times during Previews there are commericals for local stores or about what new show is coming on TV.  If you consider that part of the movie experience then I have no doubt you were petitioning for these added features over a decade ago when Previews only lasted a few minutes before the film and there were no commercials.


If you weren't than just stop now.
 
2014-01-15 01:50:51 PM

DubyaHater: If you can drag "Stand Your Ground" out every time someone is murdered, the law has become a joke. The law is being treated as grounds for legal murder. It's a bullshiat law that should be repealed


The only people who do this are gun grabbers looking to repeal the law.  That's all you heard about the Zimmerman case and it was never even mentioned in the trial.

Stop crying wolf.
 
2014-01-15 01:51:03 PM

walktoanarcade: It's almost as if the alarmists concerning Florida's "stand your ground" law were 100% correct.


As is evident by the fact that no criminal charges have been brought against the former police chief.
 
2014-01-15 01:51:07 PM

The Larch: Trivia Jockey: The Larch: So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't kill people, and don't text in a movie theater.

OK, fine.  But what bothers me is you don't seem to be admitting there's a slight imbalance between the two.

And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.  Seriously, read the thread... there are people here saying it was OK because it was the previews, or because it doesn't usually bother too many people, and all sorts of other excuses for terrible behavior.  It's crazy world.


Reread the thread. No one is saying that it's not rude. What several of us are saying is that, while slightly annoying, texting during the previews is not serious enough to be considered an executable offense. It isn't going to ruin the movie.
 
2014-01-15 01:51:22 PM

d23: The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.

Very true, but the difference between someone stuck a 12-year-old's level of emotional development and an adult is whether or not you think it's okay to act on those feelings.

If being a douche was enough of an excuse to kill someone, 50% of the males on any given college campus would just be GONE.


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/Obviously, shooting people is bad, mmkay; it's such a truism that it's not worth discussing. But douchebags need to learn that there are consequences to acting like a douchebag. Good punch in the face at some point in his life would have probably done Mr. Textalot a world of good.
 
2014-01-15 01:51:44 PM

the money is in the banana stand: s2s2s2: I live in Austin, home of the Alamo Drafthouse theaters. They make a big deal about throwing people out for phone usage. Madonna recently got tossed for it.

Of course, servers constantly blocking the screen and talking is a feature. Maybe we should chill the fark out about texting in the theater. If the tiny screens are making it impossible for you to see the big screen, you may have an attention disorder.

/always turns my phone off

Then you are also familiar with the fact that people use their phones as flashlights to read the menus as Alamo which due to the height of the tables and stadium seating, is incredibly annoying since you cannot but help see a giant glowing screen. Thankfully, this doesn't happen often except when you get people who have never been to an Alamo Drafthouse and show up when the previews are rolling or when the movie itself starts - rather than get there early to order their buckets of beer and open them up so the clanging and bottle caps don't annoy everyone else.

/loves Alamo


So you go to a theater that serves beer where people order from your seat and you are offended when you are inevitably distracted?  Why set yourself up for failure like that?  If your expectation is a perfectly dark, silent movie theater, you will be disappointed every time.
 
2014-01-15 01:51:47 PM

the money is in the banana stand: s2s2s2: I live in Austin, home of the Alamo Drafthouse theaters. They make a big deal about throwing people out for phone usage. Madonna recently got tossed for it.

Of course, servers constantly blocking the screen and talking is a feature. Maybe we should chill the fark out about texting in the theater. If the tiny screens are making it impossible for you to see the big screen, you may have an attention disorder.

/always turns my phone off

Then you are also familiar with the fact that people use their phones as flashlights to read the menus as Alamo which due to the height of the tables and stadium seating, is incredibly annoying since you cannot but help see a giant glowing screen. Thankfully, this doesn't happen often except when you get people who have never been to an Alamo Drafthouse and show up when the previews are rolling or when the movie itself starts - rather than get there early to order their buckets of beer and open them up so the clanging and bottle caps don't annoy everyone else.

/loves Alamo


PRO-TIP:  There are LED lights under the tables that emit just enough light for you read the menu's.  Just hold the menu under the table to read it.
 
2014-01-15 01:52:02 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


You have to be trolling.  So you are saying that, silently texting during previews then laughing at someone and throwing popcorn is enough to warrant someone getting shot?  You seem to be defending the killer.  Why would it be easy?  Cold blooded killing is ok if they text and throw popcorn when you start making a scene?
 
2014-01-15 01:52:29 PM

walktoanarcade: It's almost as if the alarmists concerning Florida's "stand your ground" law were 100% correct.


So every exception discounts the rule?  Sure you want to walk down that path?
 
2014-01-15 01:52:35 PM

dazed420: cig-mkr: dazed420: cig-mkr: "Hey friend, mind not texting, I'm trying to enjoy my movie experience here with the wife"
"Sorry about that, let me go to the lobby"
END OF STORY !

previews, not the movie.  Reading for the win.

 The previews are part of the entire "movie experience" aren't they?

No they are not, that's a stupid attempt to validate the argument.  Often times during Previews there are commericals for local stores or about what new show is coming on TV.  If you consider that part of the movie experience then I have no doubt you were petitioning for these added features over a decade ago when Previews only lasted a few minutes before the film and there were no commercials.


If you weren't than just stop now.


And my girlfriend is always wondering why idgaf if we miss the previews. She already knows what new shows will be on TV and likes watching new movie trailers as soon as they come out (before we see them in the previews), yet she tries to get us there so we don't miss a minute of them.

*sigh*
 
2014-01-15 01:52:37 PM
Any responsible gun owner defending this guy will sound just as dumb as the ghetto trash defending their homie who got shot by a business/homeowner during a robbery
 
2014-01-15 01:55:15 PM

spiderpaz: Also, if I'm in a farking afternoon matinee for some hollywood piece of shiat movie, and my daycare provider texts me -  even if it's the feature, I'm going to read it because it could be something a lot more important than said piece of crap movie on the screen.  And if you complain I'll tell you to suck my dick.  Get over it, it's a little light momentarily out of the corner of your eye.  If you are so intolerant of other people that you can't stand to be around them, then wait untill it comes out to rent and stay home ... public movie theaters are not the same as expensive opera houses where everyone paid handsomely to be there and etiquette and politeness is paramount.  It's just a shiathole where the show mind-numbing crap to us plebs to keep us placated and stupid.  If you go anywhere public, your are going to run into assholes that are going to be rude to you ... you don't get to shoot any of them.  If you can't deal with that, don't go in public.


Why can't you just step in to the lobby for your texting conversation like a civilized person?
 
2014-01-15 01:56:07 PM

Trivia Jockey: So laughter can get you shot?


There once was a mad who shot a guy for snoring too loud.
 
2014-01-15 01:56:16 PM

redmid17: Danger Mouse: Footage from the theater video shows Popcorn dad tossing individual pieces of pop corn in the guys face one at a time while mocking him;

"What? are you going to do cry now? Are you going to cry? Huh?"

"What's the matter? Got some popcorn in your face?"

"What are you going to do? Shoot me?"

-BLAM-

Would love to see a link to that footage.


We might yet.  Modern theaters have cameras by the screens to watch the audiance to catch people using cameras to record the movies.  Good odds that the entire incident was recorded as it happend (no audio prob).  Might get a glimps of it soon maybe.
 
2014-01-15 01:56:20 PM

AngryDragon: walktoanarcade: It's almost as if the alarmists concerning Florida's "stand your ground" law were 100% correct.

So every exception discounts the rule?  Sure you want to walk down that path?


"Stand your ground" in Florida is too broad.   Someone pulling a gun and killing them with it when they could have done something else is something I am against, so yes, I am walking down that path.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
2014-01-15 01:56:46 PM

capt.hollister: The Larch: Trivia Jockey: The Larch: So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this: don't kill people, and don't text in a movie theater.

OK, fine.  But what bothers me is you don't seem to be admitting there's a slight imbalance between the two.

And what bothers me is that I seem to be in a twilight zone episode full of people who are saying that it's OK to text in a theater.  Seriously, read the thread... there are people here saying it was OK because it was the previews, or because it doesn't usually bother too many people, and all sorts of other excuses for terrible behavior.  It's crazy world.

Reread the thread. No one is saying that it's not rude. What several of us are saying is that, while slightly annoying, texting during the previews is not serious enough to be considered an executable offense. It isn't going to ruin the movie.


Well, duh. Shooting the guy was obviously deranged and an extreme overreaction. Water is wet, too.

BUT, the guy didn't get shot because he was texting. He got shot because his reaction to being asked/told not to text at the movies (previews or not) was to humiliate an old man. fark that guy. I'm not glad he got shot, certainly not glad that he's dead, but I'm not going to spend much time thinking about him.
 
2014-01-15 01:57:38 PM

TNel: The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.

You have to be trolling.  So you are saying that, silently texting during previews then laughing at someone and throwing popcorn is enough to warrant someone getting shot?  You seem to be defending the killer.  Why would it be easy?  Cold blooded killing is ok if they text and throw popcorn when you start making a scene?


On the scale of annoying, someone answering a text is about 1/10th as annoying as some smelly old fart having to shuffle passed me in the row so that he can empty his tiny bladder during the movie.  The shooter's own son was on his way and was going to disrupt the other viewers when he had to come sit down - in my view that's much more rude that the victim in the story.
 
2014-01-15 01:57:58 PM

Onkel Buck: [i26.photobucket.com image 320x240]

Can't believe this hasnt been posted yet


i posted this in a previous popcorn thread:

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2014-01-15 01:58:06 PM

SpectroBoy: spiderpaz: Also, if I'm in a farking afternoon matinee for some hollywood piece of shiat movie, and my daycare provider texts me -  even if it's the feature, I'm going to read it because it could be something a lot more important than said piece of crap movie on the screen.  And if you complain I'll tell you to suck my dick.  Get over it, it's a little light momentarily out of the corner of your eye.  If you are so intolerant of other people that you can't stand to be around them, then wait untill it comes out to rent and stay home ... public movie theaters are not the same as expensive opera houses where everyone paid handsomely to be there and etiquette and politeness is paramount.  It's just a shiathole where the show mind-numbing crap to us plebs to keep us placated and stupid.  If you go anywhere public, your are going to run into assholes that are going to be rude to you ... you don't get to shoot any of them.  If you can't deal with that, don't go in public.

Why can't you just step in to the lobby for your texting conversation like a civilized person?


I can't speak for anyone else, but it's more annoying to me, usually noisier too, if someone gets up in the middle of a movie to do that. Unless they are sitting on the aisle you have multiple people standing up and or moving around in their seats to let them pass all while the person is excusing themselves quietly. I'd rather see a lit up screen for a few seconds than have to deal with that, and I usually don't even notice people texting, if it's as common of a problem as people make it out to be.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:07 PM

Dimensio: Doc Daneeka: HaywoodJablonski: Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192

That's the flaw in all the "armed society is a polite society" theory.  It's bullshiat.

Carrying a gun doesn't make you any more polite, it just makes you feel powerful.  Every little incident of aggravation, annoyance, rudeness, aggressive driving, etc. that under other circumstances would result in a fistfight at worst, now results in dead bodies when people are armed.

When you have a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail, and when you carry a gun everywhere...well, it's not surprising what tends to happen.

I am certain that you will be able to justify your claims through reference to evidence showing that concealed weapons permit holders express a feeling of "power" and showing that concealed weapons permit holders commit violent crime at a rate substantially higher than that of the general adult population. I therefore eagerly anticipate being able to read that data.


Here's the chart for michigan.  There are approximately 426,000 CPL holders in michigan.  Nearly 1 out of every 19 adults.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/2012_Concealed_Pistol_Licensin g_ Annual_Report_434112_7.pdf

Page 34 has the state wide totals.

Looks like 13 killings (charges for manslaughter, murder, etc...)  with 5 of those being dismissed or found not guilty.   That leaves 8 people convicted of homicide or having pending charges for homicide that had a CPL....  out of almost 426k.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/ccw_county_report_approved_273 95 5_7.pdf

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that not translate to a murder rate of approximately 2 out of 100k population?   So according to my analysis, CPL holders have a murder rate less than 1/2 of the approximate national rate which is about 4.7 per 100k.  (and the 8 I'm referring to weren't all murders... man slaughter, and other charges were included)

So .000018% of the CPL population have perhaps unjustifiably killed someone last year.

Yep...  those CPL holders are menaces to society!!!

Also, there is 2,997 total charges...  with 935 of those being dismissed or found not guilty, leaving 2,062 pending or convicted.  Out of 426k that's a whopping .004% of CPL holders are criminals.


So do people really think they have a leg to stand on with their claims that CPL holders shouldn't have guns?   Do they really think that they have a statistical leg to stand on to claim that gun toters are whackos or that they're just going around LOOKING to shoot someone?   Do they really have a leg to stand on to claim that gun toters are addressing every situation... altercation....confrontation they come upon by whipping out their gun?


Statistical analysis of the information from Michigan suggests the anti-gunners have absolutely no case.


I'm not surprised though that people continue to COMPLETELY talk out of their rear ends and argue based on emotion rather than logic and facts.


FACT:  CPL HOLDERS ARE SOME OF THE MOST LAW ABIDING PEOPLE.  PERIOD.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:25 PM
We've hit peak Fark.  This is a popcorn thread about popcorn.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:53 PM

The Larch: Latinwolf: A few people have already claimed he was at fault for daring to text during movie reviews.

He texted in a movie theater, then he laughed at an old  man who asked him to stop, and then he threw popcorn at the old man and laughed at him some more when the manager failed to do anything about it.

I'm not saying that he deserved to die, but it's easy to see why someone would come to that conclusion.


Let me make this really, really, really simple.

If you think that escalating hurtful words to shooting someone and likely death is a reasonable conclusion, please turn over all your weapons, leave the United States, and never come back. You stand for everything America is against, you are a terrible human being, and you don't deserve the privilege of the life given to you.

There isn't any ambiguity here. The person harrassing someone for texting during the previews was wrong, deserved to have popcorn thrown in his self-righteous face (just move seats asshole if you care so much about the previews), and he deserves the death penalty for how he reacted. Anyone who agrees with his actions deserves the same fate.
 
2014-01-15 01:58:56 PM

Dimensio: As is evident by the fact that no criminal charges have been brought against the former police chief.


The pervasive popular myth emboldens people too stupid to understand it (see: This guy).  It doesn't matter what's really happening, they shoot people thinking they've got carte blanche and then find out later (when the news cycle has moved on) that it doesn't work that way for reasons too subtle to fit into a soundbite.
 
2014-01-15 01:59:00 PM

SpectroBoy: spiderpaz: Also, if I'm in a farking afternoon matinee for some hollywood piece of shiat movie, and my daycare provider texts me -  even if it's the feature, I'm going to read it because it could be something a lot more important than said piece of crap movie on the screen.  And if you complain I'll tell you to suck my dick.  Get over it, it's a little light momentarily out of the corner of your eye.  If you are so intolerant of other people that you can't stand to be around them, then wait untill it comes out to rent and stay home ... public movie theaters are not the same as expensive opera houses where everyone paid handsomely to be there and etiquette and politeness is paramount.  It's just a shiathole where the show mind-numbing crap to us plebs to keep us placated and stupid.  If you go anywhere public, your are going to run into assholes that are going to be rude to you ... you don't get to shoot any of them.  If you can't deal with that, don't go in public.

Why can't you just step in to the lobby for your texting conversation like a civilized person?


What would be better?  Opening the screen for 5 seconds, or getting up, shuffling passed 5 people to get to the isle and inconveniencing the whole theater until I got outside?
 
2014-01-15 02:00:13 PM

Trollomite: Any responsible gun owner defending this guy will sound just as dumb as the ghetto trash defending their homie who got shot by a business/homeowner during a robbery


Your bias is showing.
 
2014-01-15 02:00:19 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: Dimensio: Doc Daneeka: HaywoodJablonski: Fissile: This guy has a history of confronting people in movie theaters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-woman-alleged-theate r -shooter-confronted-texting-3-weeks-article-1.1580192

That's the flaw in all the "armed society is a polite society" theory.  It's bullshiat.

Carrying a gun doesn't make you any more polite, it just makes you feel powerful.  Every little incident of aggravation, annoyance, rudeness, aggressive driving, etc. that under other circumstances would result in a fistfight at worst, now results in dead bodies when people are armed.

When you have a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail, and when you carry a gun everywhere...well, it's not surprising what tends to happen.

I am certain that you will be able to justify your claims through reference to evidence showing that concealed weapons permit holders express a feeling of "power" and showing that concealed weapons permit holders commit violent crime at a rate substantially higher than that of the general adult population. I therefore eagerly anticipate being able to read that data.

Here's the chart for michigan.  There are approximately 426,000 CPL holders in michigan.  Nearly 1 out of every 19 adults.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/2012_Concealed_Pistol_Licensin g_ Annual_Report_434112_7.pdf

Page 34 has the state wide totals.

Looks like 13 killings (charges for manslaughter, murder, etc...)  with 5 of those being dismissed or found not guilty.   That leaves 8 people convicted of homicide or having pending charges for homicide that had a CPL....  out of almost 426k.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/ccw_county_report_approved_273 95 5_7.pdf

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that not translate to a murder rate of approximately 2 out of 100k population?   So according to my analysis, CPL holders have a murder rate less than 1/2 of the approximate national rate which is about 4.7 per 100k.  (and the 8 I'm referrin ...


Who needs facts when you have feelings?
 
2014-01-15 02:00:33 PM

orclover: redmid17: Danger Mouse: Footage from the theater video shows Popcorn dad tossing individual pieces of pop corn in the guys face one at a time while mocking him;

"What? are you going to do cry now? Are you going to cry? Huh?"

"What's the matter? Got some popcorn in your face?"

"What are you going to do? Shoot me?"

-BLAM-

Would love to see a link to that footage.

We might yet.  Modern theaters have cameras by the screens to watch the audiance to catch people using cameras to record the movies.  Good odds that the entire incident was recorded as it happend (no audio prob).  Might get a glimps of it soon maybe.


I mean I haven't heard a single thing about him actually taunting the guy from any news source at all. Just a few posters in this thread claiming he was laughing without anything to substantiate it. Also I doubt you'd be able to see much from an in theater camera since even during the previews the lighting is going to be bad. Besides it's a matinee screening, even if that auditorium had one it probably wasn't on.
 
2014-01-15 02:00:39 PM

SpectroBoy: spiderpaz: Also, if I'm in a farking afternoon matinee for some hollywood piece of shiat movie, and my daycare provider texts me -  even if it's the feature, I'm going to read it because it could be something a lot more important than said piece of crap movie on the screen.  And if you complain I'll tell you to suck my dick.  Get over it, it's a little light momentarily out of the corner of your eye.  If you are so intolerant of other people that you can't stand to be around them, then wait untill it comes out to rent and stay home ... public movie theaters are not the same as expensive opera houses where everyone paid handsomely to be there and etiquette and politeness is paramount.  It's just a shiathole where the show mind-numbing crap to us plebs to keep us placated and stupid.  If you go anywhere public, your are going to run into assholes that are going to be rude to you ... you don't get to shoot any of them.  If you can't deal with that, don't go in public.

Why can't you just step in to the lobby for your texting conversation like a civilized person?



I guess this was a case of guns making society more civilized.
 
2014-01-15 02:00:42 PM

Super_pope: Dimensio: As is evident by the fact that no criminal charges have been brought against the former police chief.

The pervasive popular myth emboldens people too stupid to understand it (see: This guy).  It doesn't matter what's really happening, they shoot people thinking they've got carte blanche and then find out later (when the news cycle has moved on) that it doesn't work that way for reasons too subtle to fit into a soundbite.


That's better than the response I was crafting.
 
2014-01-15 02:00:53 PM

Danger Mouse: Footage from the theater video shows Popcorn dad tossing individual pieces of pop corn in the guys face one at a time while mocking him;

"What? are you going to do cry now? Are you going to cry? Huh?"

"What's the matter? Got some popcorn in your face?"

"What are you going to do? Shoot me?"

-BLAM-


That reminds me.  Often, the last words of someone with a gun pointed at them is something along the lines of "go ahead, shoot me" and the shooter promptly does.  Apparently, we're hardwired in a way where if someone gives you permission it breaks all of their otherwise strong inhibitions in this situation.  So, if someone ever has you held at gun point, it is not a very good time for the snide "do it!" remarks you see in the movies.
 
2014-01-15 02:01:33 PM

KierzanDax: The Fark threads will be epic.


Yup...and this thread has  REALLY delivered. ;^)
 
2014-01-15 02:01:52 PM

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: "Shall issue" is stupid, too.

As I am certain that you will be able to demonstrate by showing that concealed weapons permit holders in "shall issue" states commit violent crime at a rate higher than that of the general populace.


That's a wonderful research question. And since "shall issue" started to become common after Congress blocked research into firearm violence, we need to study it.
But why are you limiting your comparison to a small subset of concealed carriers?
Is is because real research shows that when a higher percentage of the population is armed, there are higher rates of firearm homicide and suicide?
 
KIA
2014-01-15 02:02:10 PM
Preface: he'll probably cut a deal for manslaughter due to the allegation that the degree of force used was disproportionate.

But in assessing the general situation, who has the anger problem, a guy who asks someone to stop texting in a theater or the texting guy who stands up, uses harsh language and throws a bucket at him?

When that kind of physical escalation occurs, there are only fractions of a second to decide whether the flying popcorn is the prelude to a beat-down or not. This guy didn't take the chance, which is why the prosecution probably will cut a deal and be done with it. If they actually prosecute, they risk a complete not guilty.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:27 PM
Lawyers are slime.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:29 PM

SpectroBoy: The texting vigilante from a related article.
Apparently being the "texting police" was his thing.

The poor bastard he murdered was only texting during previews. Not even the main feature.


That definitely looks like the type of shiat-eating authoritarian who would kill someone over a minor inconvenience.
 
2014-01-15 02:02:57 PM

FrancoFile: We've hit peak Fark.  This is a popcorn thread about popcorn.



And guns.  And tangentially related to Zimmerman.

Theoretically, we could be looking at a full-scale Fark meltdown in progress.  All we need to go full retard is (1) an inflamatory comment from Obama, and (2) for the deceased to have been an abortion provider.
 
2014-01-15 02:03:16 PM

Marquis de Sod: farking_texan: 1.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
 2.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
3.  Checking up on your precious snowflake doesn't give you a valid excuse to ruin the moviegoing experience for other people.  Take it outside.
4.  Turn off your freaking cell phone in the theater.
5.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilzed manner in a public place?  Douchenozzle.  Not deserving of death, but douchenozzle.
6.  A grown-ass man was throwing popcorn at someone who was asking him to act in a civilized manner in a public place.  Douchenozzle.

That texting bastard was just asking for it!


Seriosly, turn off your phones people. It might just save your life.
 
2014-01-15 02:03:44 PM

spiderpaz: SpectroBoy: spiderpaz: Also, if I'm in a farking afternoon matinee for some hollywood piece of shiat movie, and my daycare provider texts me -  even if it's the feature, I'm going to read it because it could be something a lot more important than said piece of crap movie on the screen.  And if you complain I'll tell you to suck my dick.  Get over it, it's a little light momentarily out of the corner of your eye.  If you are so intolerant of other people that you can't stand to be around them, then wait untill it comes out to rent and stay home ... public movie theaters are not the same as expensive opera houses where everyone paid handsomely to be there and etiquette and politeness is paramount.  It's just a shiathole where the show mind-numbing crap to us plebs to keep us placated and stupid.  If you go anywhere public, your are going to run into assholes that are going to be rude to you ... you don't get to shoot any of them.  If you can't deal with that, don't go in public.

Why can't you just step in to the lobby for your texting conversation like a civilized person?

What would be better?  Opening the screen for 5 seconds, or getting up, shuffling passed 5 people to get to the isle and inconveniencing the whole theater until I got outside?


Fair enough. I retract my unfortunate snark.
 
2014-01-15 02:04:06 PM
why is obama trying to take away our retired police officers?
 
2014-01-15 02:04:31 PM

SpectroBoy: Why can't you just step in to the lobby for your texting conversation like a civilized person?


Because you would have to fight through all the people in the row, annoy the row behind you as you block their view... or take 10 sec to respond.
 
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